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For and against Great Wolf

Cal Beverly's picture

So, here we are, in the spring of the 56th year of Peachtree City’s existence as a “new town,” a “planned community,” and Great Wolf is at our door.

One side — and probably a majority of the tax-driven City Council — argues that the proposed indoor water park tourist resort is just too good to turn away.

To this group, the change from the sleepy — and money-losing — Dolce conference center to a job-producing and city-revenue-increasing tourist attraction is worth welcoming, despite one of the strongest anti-rezoning outcries from opponents in many years.

To those who oppose granting Great Wolf Lodges of Ga., nearly everything the company asked for — including a significant incursion into a buffer zone that protects an adjacent area of homeowners and renters — the council rezoning and variance grant represents an invasion of residents’ privacy and “quiet enjoyment,” a legal term that attorneys specializing in landlord-tenant law will recognize. This invasion also will cause homes and entire neighborhoods to drop in resale value, these opponents believe.

Here are some arguments for and against giving Great Wolf what it wants. (Full disclosure: My wife and I live in The Coventry subdivision, which is adjacent to the eastern side of the current Dolce property. My backyard is about a half mile from the proposed water park. On occasion, from my deck, I can hear the Dolce’s heavy machinery running day or night.)

FOR

• The lodge, water park and more than a dozen related retail businesses on the site will likely revitalize that already-commercially zoned 38 acres with both new and refurbished facilities and a compelling need to succeed after an infusion estimated well above $70 million to be spent before the resort can take in its first tourist dollar (“$40 million on construction, $32 million on personal property including amusements and $4 million on soft costs related to construction activity,” according to The Citizen story April 1).

After it opens, a Georgia Tech study estimates upwards of a half-million “visitor nights ... at full operation,” resulting at some point in the future of an “economic impact of ... more than $75 million and ... 400 new jobs in Peachtree City and nearly 770 jobs across the economy resulting in more than $20 million in local personal income.”

That’s a lot of loot from one 38-acre, under-producing commercial parcel, if the hastily produced study is to be believed and trusted. More on believability below.

• Great Wolf represents a dramatic and highly visible turnaround for the business fortunes of Peachtree City. No big box here; it’s something new: an attraction to our city that may convince outsiders that PTC is a happening place, not a graying, declining Big Idea gone stale. After Fayetteville stole the development limelight with a big-time movie studio, this would be PTC’s call bet on the big-stakes poker table.

• The alternatives could be bleak, advocates warn. If Great Wolf slinks back to its northern den, defeated and cursing whoever sold them on the notion of a tourist attraction next to residential neighborhoods deep inside the heart of a carefully planned and rigorously zoned village, then what comes next could be even worse, supporters assert.

Great Wolf advocates — including those on City Council — warn of dire consequences of letting nature take its course on the failing conference center. Some paint a lurid picture of pawn shops, tanning parlors and fast food drive-thru lanes replacing the good neighbor Dolce on the already-zoned commercial site.

The direst of all is the hushed threat of an abandoned, empty hotel, peopled only by up-to-no-good teenagers and street people seeking pretty good free shelter.

“How do you like Great Wolf now?” some advocates will taunt Preston Chase homeowners.

• More mundane, but greatly pressing is the city government’s need for more money, some of it to pay for those city worker pay raises granted by a 3-2 vote last year, although the money wasn’t planned in this year’s budget and has no funding source other than the city’s rainy day reserve “savings account.”

(As an aside, see if those who voted for the pay raise will also be the ones who vote in favor of Great Wolf. That’s called “following the money.” For the pay raise: Fleisch, King and Ernst. Against the pay raise: Imker and Learnard.)

City property taxes likely will rise if Great Wolf falls, advocates promise.

• The philosophical principle — A property owner ought to be able to do with his/her/its property what it wants to. That’s what capitalism, free markets and the libertarian notion of freedom are all about. Great Wolf wants a water park; it’s their property; they should have the right to turn their property into a water park.

AGAINST

It’s likely most residents of Peachtree City have no strong feelings one way or the other about a water park floating onto Aberdeen Parkway. It’s also likely that a small number of folks really want the water park, and its location is mostly no big deal to them, mainly because it truly will not be “not in (their) back yards.”

But for a significant number of core opponents, Great Wolf’s intrusion into their lives and property values is a (metaphorical) call to arms about a principle that founded America: “Don’t threaten my home or my family!”

This group identifies with that historic cry, “The British are coming!” And members of this energized group of city voters will be rallying within shouting distance of City Hall Thursday afternoon prior to marching via foot and golf cart to the City Council meeting chambers for the 7 p.m. meeting.

So far as I can remember or discover, in my 38 years of living in this “planned community,” there has never been a comparable protest march on City Hall.

Why? Why are these folks so negative toward Great Wolf on the Dolce site?

• It’s not Great Wolf. It’s where Great Wolf wants to live. GWL wants everyone to believe that a serious tourist destination will have little additional adverse impact on its neighbors, compared to the 30 years of low impact, mostly bussed-in business travelers who came and went from the Pitney-Bowes training center that became the Aberdeen Woods Conference Center that became the Dolce with hardly a local ripple.

If you’ve got to have a commercially-zoned neighbor in your backyard, you would want it to be PB-AWCC-D. Some problems have occurred (mainly water drainage), but the occupants of that site have been unobtrusive — and thus, good — neighbors.

On the other hand, let’s discuss believability of the optimistic claims made for the new water park.

The “no big deal” spin put on the change from a conference center to a tourist attraction — starting with the city planner’s recommended approval of the rezoning and variances requested and continuing with some local heavy hitters patronizing nearby residents with bogus offers to buy their homes should their property values be damaged — has been insulting to the opponents and a cause for shame for the ardent GWL evangelists.

The so-called traffic study looks like a hack job, a thinly disguised joke. For a professional traffic study to assert that a tourist destination with more than a dozen new retail attractions and a hotel boasting of a half million new visitor nights per year would have “no appreciable impact” on current traffic on Ga. Highway 74 and Aberdeen Parkway almost defrauds the taxpayers who paid that study invoice.

• Jobs and a boost to local economy: The jobs will be low-pay, even minimum-wage positions, many of them part-time. Most of the folks who will depend on wages derived from GWL will live elsewhere and will have to commute, further increasing traffic problems. These are not career jobs; these are seasonal slots whose numbers rise and fall with hotel occupancy, which GWL officials admit rarely rises above 60 percent and often times is much lower. There may be jobs, but there will be a lot of layoffs as well, depending on the tourist traffic.

• Property values: Nobody really knows. Advocates for GWL cannot produce any evidence of impacts — negative or positive — on property values of nearby residential areas. Why? Because they’ve never built so close to such an existing area before. In one location, a group of homes lies across a heavily-traveled multi-laned highway from a water park. There are no comparable situations to the Aberdeen site.

The converse is mostly intuitive: Would I want to buy a home next to a water park, especially if I would be forced to rent a resort hotel room for the night if I wanted to enjoy the water park facilities? I’d be afraid I’d get all the negatives immediately — the noise, the lights, the heavy chlorine odor, the water runoff, the traffic — with no immediate or even medium-term benefits.

And if I can’t enjoy the benefits of the water park, why would I want to live next to one?

That’s a pertinent property value question.

• The whole idea of a tourist destination plunked down on the city’s signature wooded parkway, right in the midst of residential neighborhoods, runs contrary to the longstanding notion of Peachtree City as a village-centered city with defined village commercial cores and well-defined and well-protected (by zoning restrictions) residential areas.

This GWL proposal is not planning. This is money talking – and splashing.

The good of the many is subjugated to the commercial desires of one nonresident entity. If GWL gets what it wants, a city government originally formed to promulgate the practical vision of a planned city will have abdicated its responsibility to protect its voting and tax-paying residents from a naked violation of that principle. The city government, by saying yes to Great Wolf, will be colluding with this intentional degradation of the Peachtree City vision.

And this new principle would be established: Zoning buffers to protect homeowners from encroaching commercial developments are untouchable — unless such a buffer interferes with a city council majority’s need for more money.

At that critical money-waving point, the council would ask the next Wolf neither how high nor how deep, but rather, identify whatever stands in your way, Mr. Wolf, so that we may remove the obstacles. Don’t pay any attention to those home-owning, tax-paying voters. They elected us; this is what they get.

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So, situationally biased as I am, where do I come down on this matter of a water park and a likely revenue-seeking council majority versus an engaged, vocal and voting group of homeowners who think the city is overruling their concerns and telling them to take one for the team?

I’m reminded of that old joke. A very rich man asks a beautiful woman he just met, “Would you sleep with me for one hundred million dollars (inflation)?” The woman replies, “Well, yes, I think I might.”

The man then says, “What if I offered you one hundred dollars? Would you sleep with me then?” The woman slaps him and says, “What kind of woman do you think I am?”

The man replies, “We’ve already established that. Now we’re just negotiating the price.”

In the best possible outcome, after the council prudently turns down the egregious variance request, and GWL has to either leave town or take the site as it’s currently zoned, it’s time to negotiate. After all, what kind of council majority do we think they are?

[Cal Beverly has been editor and publisher of The Citizen since its founding in 1993.]

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Just thanks.

Yo's picture

Seriously

YO

I would really like to discover the mastermind behind the introduction of PTC and the Dolce to Great Wolf.

I would like to know why we have a council that approves rezoning for additional hotels when we can't fill the Dolce?

I would like to know what the FC Chamber of Commerce has done to help the Dolce.

I would like to know what, if any, did the Vision People do to help reinvigorate the Dolce?

I would like to know if any of the yes people would actually purchase a house adjacent to the Dolce knowing there will be 12-18 months of construction before the park opens to screaming kids and with variances approved that no one else has to deal with.

I want to know why Great Wolf in the agenda package already approved funds for a traffic light when the county paid traffic report said the traffic increase will be inconsequential.

I want to know how the police, fire, ambulance, and health departments have researched and provided feedback on the expected additional duties.

I want to know why each Great Wolf facility always has to deal with serious crimes against children and are we prepared for the negative publicity, when it happens here.

I want to know if the zoning board, which voted correctly, will all resign in protest should council approve this. I would.

If this is approved, I would want to know why council would sell out our strict zoning laws (heritage) instead of learning how to balance a budget.

If Great Wolf wants to open up without the zoning changes, they certainly have the right. But if they want to live in our neighborhood, they need to play by our rules.

Yo's picture

Of coarse somebody coarted them. It's how progress works.

YO

property is currently zoned commercial, and has been since the mid 80's....correct this if my info is incorrect. Your 3rd paragraph references rezoning....

I am still not sold, but I do not see it being the end of PTC.

Yo's picture

You are correct

YO

Robert W. Morgan's picture

Vote no on the variance and send them back to Planning Commission to produce a site plan under the existing zoning. Anything else smacks of special interest and dirty dealing.

Here's how I see our population coming down on the great Wolf

FOR
3 councilpeople, David and Nancy and maybe 10 other people like Bob Lenox and JimPace.
AGAINST
3 or 400 people including all the neighbors in Preston Chase and Coventry.
DON'T CARE
36,000 of the rest of us - provided both city council and Great Wolf follows all the rules and no variances are granted.

Live free or die!

Yo's picture

36k Don't care

YO

How can it be that all of our city employees think this is the greatest thing since sliced bread when issuing all their positive feedback and can't find any reason not to approve any variance.

Yet they like to find fault with so many other things.

It's strictly about money and we will see just how bad they whore themselves to pay for the raises they couldn't balance.

Planning commission should all resign in protest if this is passed, since their appointment and opinions mean little.

Robert W. Morgan's picture

Yea, like the fence at 113 Sweetwater Oaks. They made that guy move it two feet even though it looked great where it was and no neighbors complained. No variance for him, but Great Wolf might get one for a much larger encroachment and the neighbors are sure complaining about that. Hmmmmm.

Hope we hear from the Sweetwater Oaks guy at the meeting.

Live free or die!

GW is not a good fit in that location.

Ounce of foresight. Say it goes it and is successful. Traffic on that parkway both directions off the charts. The parkway cannot handle it. The site is too small with no buffer. PTC design fundamental is buffers, The GW behemoth will overwhelm the site. If I am Gw and I scale back to get approval, will my business case still hold ? And regardless, once the foot is in the door, I claim hardship and get expansion approval.

Or say GW fails. What ever I had with Dolce is lost and Dolce is nicely compatible with PTC values and design integrity. If GW builds out and collapses what am I left with ? Look at the old photo circuits sites on dividend drive for a point of reference.

Gw is a bad fit for that location and PTC at that location. Put it out in FC on some old school property or something.

And get PTC economic development people to earn their pay fixing Dolce and the brownfield industrial sites on Dividend drive.

C55

I took a drive through Dolce recently to see what all the fuss was about. The current buildings look run down and kind of ugly to me. I don't see there being 2 conference centers much longer. While someone told someone else that Dolce would "upgrade" the place if GWL isn't approved. I doubt that will happen.Current employees are worried because they will lose their jobs if GWL comes in. I understand that but I think that long term those jobs are most likely gone. The place may set vacant for a number of years. However eventually something is going to go in there and I doubt it will be another conference center.

I feel Dolce would be a perfect fit for a community college/university. There is enough room and Fayette County should be able to afford to buy it--after all they built Rivers for Pinewood didn't they? With a community college there should be need to change easements, etc., While there would be traffic it would be at different times as classes take place. A college would not cause the problems with neighboring homeowners that a water park would bring. Something to be considered and looked into maybe?/

When you need them, lol.

Dolce Atlanta-Peachtree offers 233 guestrooms, providing accommodations in Peachtree City with a distinctive spirit of gracious Southern hospitality combined with ultra modern amenities. Influenced by a contemporary lifestyle, Dolce Atlanta-Peachtree, in Peachtree City, Georgia offers the hotel amentities that you need for both a relaxing and productive stay. You have discovered the ultimate hotel accommodations.

If Vanessa and crew approved the rezoning to add new hotel space, than this facility must simply be mismanaged.

Yo's picture

Nobody knows it's there. I frequent the excellent restaurant which I've never seen more than half full. My parents have stayed there. The rooms are straight out of 1987 (couldn't help myself). But they are clean. If GW doesn't move in it could easily turn in to an empty building. Thankfully like the GW lodge you can't see it from the street so it would be a hidden, vacant, secluded eyesore

YO

NUK_1's picture

Wyndham is barely profitable itself. Dolce isn't and hasn't been and is not sustainable as a conference center. That's the bottom-line with that operation. Once Pitney-Bowles stopped using it as a national training center, it became no longer viable.

Now, GW there? Not a fan of the variances they need and don't want to hear about the attempts of a shake-down that if it's not GW, it will be pawn shops, sex shops, whatever and a bunch of other crap. Uh, no, it won't because PTC doesn't allow them there under that zoning and that location is horrible for a retail business for that matter.

That said, I don't think PTC dies if GW gets approved. What puzzles me is how GW thinks this will be a profitable venture for them because I sure don't see it myself.

Yo's picture

6 million people in the metro... GW is betting we can be an alternative to Stone Mountain or the aquarium. An affluent weekend trip into the woods. I work in northern ATL and have had employees that had church retreats at the Dolce. They swear they were in another state. It felt far away from th ATL. I see the Buckhead, Sandy Springs, Alpharrtta crowd frequenting this joint.

YO

The problem is that conference centers are no longer needed like they were 10-15 years ago. Companies no longer send folks for conferences when they can use technology for Webinars. I used to host new employees at Wyndham but then my company cut back and now we do not spend the money on travel, new employees are trained via the Internet, not in person.

Robert W. Morgan's picture

If I could have a do-over on my business life without meetings, seminars, motivational events, classroom training or conferences, I would have twice as much money in my retirement account and I could have retired 5 years before I did. Those things are such a colossal waste of time, serve only as some managers' and owners' ego trip and thankfully replaceable by technology-based communications.
All of which is not to say the Great Wolf may be a good alternative use - it is not. The community college conversion idea is appealing, but I fear Little Red Riding Hood (Vanessa's new nickname) will be vindictive if Great Wolf gets blown away and won't embrace any alternatives.

Live free or die!

In small towns are obsolete.

But there are solid repurposing options available. Logistics center, communications, perhaps a regional emergency center, even Visions Technology Innovation Center could be put to good use.

I think Dolce thought that they could unload this easier, rather than provide quality marketing and management.

A water park usurping our water and providing no value to the city residents other than money is not the answer.

Little Ms. Riding hood needs to put on her glasses and start figuring out a budget instead of looking for this holy grail.

For anyone who just thought the PTC hotel/motel tax increase last year (voted by this mayor and council) was the best thing since sliced bread, read this AJC Truth O Meter Mostly True statement about the brand new $5.00 per room night tax the Ga. Legislature just passed.

There is a tipping point for the owners of the hotels in this city. There are 4 mid priced hotels here now that will suffer loss of occupancy to Great Wolf. They are struggling already.

On top of that, add the burden of ownership of these properties to compete while deciding whether to eat the $5.00 tax increase by lowering their profit even more or try to pass it on to the hotel guest.

Add in the already planned Marriott, the already planned Wisdom Rd. Fairfield Inn and one or two new hotels at Pinewood to the competition. How long, how much more before the Holiday Inn, the Hampton Inn, Days Inn and Sleep Inn ownership strip the brand signs off their hotels and call it a day?

Guess that is okay with the politicians who can get their hands on any money at all to spend, spend spend.

Listen to the spin tonight from the FCDA and the "this money is too good to pass up" comments by Council. Oh, and I am sure Barlow will spout his support.

AJC Politifact below:

http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2015/apr/15/michael-t-owens...

I don't see the Wolf Pack competing with other hotels in town any more than the Dolce now...maybe less. Who in their right mind would stay there unless they were going to utilize the water park?

Still don't think it's great for PTC...I'm still thinking it is one of those things that is not nearly as bad nor as good as folks think...either way. We could do better, and we could do worse. I guess that is why I would vote NO if given the choice. I like our odds of doing better.

Robert W. Morgan's picture

So what happens then - we go looking for a second Water Park operator? And he's going to come in and be successful the second time around -How? Is anybody actually thinking about this stuff or are they blindly chasing tax dollars?

Live free or die!

peanutgallery's picture

Two facts worth noting are, the decision to grant commercial zoning on the 38 acre Aberdeen tract back in 1983 set the stage we are now on, and, that the surrounding residential neighborhoods were developed several years later. That means every current homeowner had to know they were buying within whatever distance they are from a large commercial tract. Assuming its use would remain the same was a risk they accepted.

Guessing most homeowners have been there and done that, i.e. “is that traffic noise, the sound of trash pickups over at that school, or late night alarms at the fire station going to be something I can live with?”. Same thing with commercial zoning nearby.

Peanut gallery

hood know what they were buying, I am sure they never thought the council would go against the city's rulings such as changing the buffers etc. They have had a measure of protection that would be taken away if council goes for the bucks and damn the neighborhood. Also, how long will it be once Great Wolf is there before it is decided that the road needs to be four-laned to cover the traffic?

If you read the agenda, Great Wolf has already agreed to help pay for their fair share of any traffic issues. Seems they already know that what we have is not enough to handle their registrations, checkouts, service trucks, and employees.

If people don't like the verdict tonight:

Sec. 1211. - Appeals of city council decision or action.
Any person or persons severally or jointly aggrieved by any decision on any appeal for variance may appeal such decision to the Superior Court of fayette County by writ of certiorari.

Yo's picture

I hate it when my neighbors complain about the train.

YO

Sometimes I complain about too much rain...lotta good that does.

is filming at City Hall Plaza.

As predicted, the back city hall parking lot is blocked off for FOV (Friends of Vanna aka Little Red Riding Hood). Everyone else can walk in the rain or park elsewhere and walk in the cold damp night air. You know, just those who live here and pay taxes.

The 2 cruisers that are doing top secret reporting from behind Partners are keeping things in order. Thanks, Vanna. You just about covered everything. Except your . Never mind.

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