
‘The general is no robber’
‘Why does this matter? Because it could be you, it could be me’
The headline is the gist of a letter that also complains about our front page coverage of the Aug. 15 arrest of a retired four-star Army general who lives in Fayetteville. In a short response to the letter writer, I say I agree: The general is no robber. That’s what Fayetteville police say he is.
I’ve never met the general, but I can say that I have many doubts about this case, most of them involving the appropriateness of the police response itself.
Somebody inside a nice home owned by a respected, 84-year-old retired four star-general in a nice subdivision in Fayetteville orders Chinese restaurant takeout on a Saturday evening.
A dispute over payment occurs inside the general’s home. Some type of physical altercation involving the general and the 26-year-old delivery driver allegedly occurs. There are at least two female witnesses to the event. No one is injured, no blood is spilled. That happens after police get involved.
The takeout driver reports the dispute to police.
Fayetteville police — by their own description — roll three officers intent on taking the general into custody. He’s standing on his porch and asks, “What the f— do you want?”
The officers ask three questions: “Are you William Livsey?” “Did you order food to be delivered to your home?” “Did you consume any of that food?”
Livsey answers “Yes” to all three questions.
The officer says, “You are under arrest. Put your hands behind your back.”
By the end of that Saturday, a distinguished and decorated war veteran is behind bars, charged with a felony and several misdemeanors.
It was a classic “he said—he said” situation. However, no other witnesses were sought for more than a week, and that was after I talked with Chief Scott Pitts and played a recording of the delivery driver whose emotional story differed from what the warrants and the official police statements alleged.
After that, police did some additional investigation. One result was that one of the witnesses to the events that night, Tim Bedgood, subsequently was charged with felony tampering with a witness for his conversations with delivery driver Ryan Irvin.
The only way they even knew about Bedgood was because I reported his version of that night’s event in my first two stories about the arrest. They then re-interviewed Irvin, who told them about Bedgood’s conversation with him.
Bedgood described himself to me as a witness to some of the events that night and as a part-time employee of Livsey. (Bedgood has had a number of collisions with the justice system in the past, ranging from DUI to forgery, but as any district attorney will tell you, you don’t get to choose your witnesses.)
I talked to both Bedgood and Irvin three days after the dispute and arrest. At that time, both said that neither had been contacted by police for any follow-up investigation.
I spoke to Chief Pitts nine days after the events and asked him about the stories from Irvin and Bedgood. He said the investigation was ongoing.
He stated in a news release that he and the department wanted the best possible outcomes for both Irvin and Livsey.
My question is this: Would these troubling questions have been raised if some basic police detective work had been done before handcuffs were employed?
Here we have an elderly man — a decorated war hero known well to some officers for his tart tongue, whom they also knew posed no physical threat to them. It seems to be the rare case in Fayetteville’s long history of crime-busting of a person getting charged for robbery inside his own home — over $80.60 worth of Chinese takeout.
This unhappy event also likely marks the first-ever case in modern times in this country of a four-star U.S. Army general being criminally charged by police with terroristic threats.
There will be more to come on this blot of a case, which raises questions of whether this whole episode represents a one-time departure from normal procedures, or whether it is standard practice. Very troubling, either way.
Why does all of this matter to anybody beyond the general’s household and the police?
Because it could be you, it could be me on the wrong end of those handcuffs over something trivial. If they can roll a felony response for a four-star general over Chinese takeout, they could roll one for me or for you.
Would this community have had to face these questions raised above — not to mention the considerable cost of police and justice system resources — if police had used better judgment from the get-go?
Several words come to mind: over-reaction, over-charging, heavy-handed, mishandling, inadequate investigating, personal agendas, maybe even some belated CYA.
Starting in 1969, I’ve been doing this for a long time, and, as I told Chief Pitts to his face last week, something’s not right here. Something’s not right.
[Cal Beverly is editor and publisher of The Citizen.]
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Cal
I totally agree with your assement of the situation and I appreciate the fact that you published it. If this treatment can happen to him I hate to imagine what might happen to me.
Cal asking the hard questions..
I like it. Keep up the good work.
Do We Appreciate How Fortunate We Are?
Folks, do we appreciate how fortunate we are having a publication and a Publisher executing the true principles of the FREE PRESS and FREE SPEECH in the Fayette/Coweta community? How many publishers would dig for the truth as Cal has done in this sad incident?
Thank you Cal!
Great work Cal. All areas of
Great work Cal. All areas of government must be held accountable.
Cal;'s excellent article! Something smelly here! Why wouldn't
the driver notify his employer of a problem and back off? Makes sense to me!
Cal Omits "General" Info
According to someone who knows the general (Cal has never met him), Cal may be leaving off information, and probably to grind his ax with the police.
From what I've been told, backed up with independent observations, the general has a bad reputation for heavy drinking, has a bad temper, and will turn violent, despite his age, if you cross him. The police had enough experience with him that they didn't want just one or two officers having to deal with his issues and being falsely accused themselves, despite that still happening.
Also, the general should prefer to avoid publicity about his two female guests.
Woody for Tanji or not?
Your post makes sense to me. You have just nailed some information that seems to be missing in all of this. We can debate till the cows come home the efficacy of an 84 year old being charged over this issue, but some perspective from the leo point of view is what I have been looking for. Thanks Woody.
I do commend Cal for getting information out. The more we know about the facts, the better the process will be to go forward. I am not choosing sides, I just want to know why certain things occurred as they did and Woody has included a big piece of the puzzle.
Nothing I have seen so far shows Bedgood to be good, just the oposite, in all of this.
I will say this. Retired military whether 4 star or enlisted cannot use their service as an excuse for bad behavior or breaking the law or having exceptions made. I am also fiercely protective of elderly from predators. That's my thoughts so far anyhoo.
MLC, Woody & his post
No, what Woody has done is pass along more gossip--no substiantiated facts! And I haven't seen where any retired military has asked to have exceptions made as far as lawbreaking is concerned.
Just Offering Insight
AtHomeGym, I was initially outraged at what happened with the general. But, this whole matter hasn't made a bit of sense based upon the limited information that has been published. That's why I asked some questions and shared the little that was explained to me. It's not gossip. It's just helping other people like me who are confused by all this.
I was trying to figure out what the caregiver and guests were doing by digging in to the food and not offering to pay themselves or intervening to smooth over the confrontations with an 84-year old man. It turned out that the guests didn't care to help, so who were they and why not?
There is also the matter of the cash that was on the counter that could have been used to pay but had disappeared, presumably in the hands of a guest.
if you want facts, you'll have to wait for a legal hearing. In the meantime and since the paper has pursued the matter in a partisan manner, it seems only fair to share additional information to cover all sides.
I hope the general gets off easy, but let's not pile onto the police. I think they would have preferred to not deal with a disturbed person or incompetent senior, whichever it is.
Woody & cmts on the Gen.
I accept that your intent was pure but I faill to see how, if the Gen. is as volatile as your sources portray him, he has managed to avoid the Police Blotter for as long as he's been here (more than 10 yrs). I say let's hear some sworn testimony and see what bubbles to the surface.
Just wait
Until they show up at your door. My advice, say nothing.
The best description so far: "Something is not right"
OK, so the part time care giver has a record and the general might be a pain in the a$$ to those that do not agree with him. Lots of people stumble over the laws, the general did not get to where he was by passing out warm fuzzies and whoever he has around to keep the dull times away is his business. The PD agenda obviously includes supporting events that are not in evidence, yet. I am not saying the general is entitled to better treatment than anyone else but he is entitled to fair treatment which I do not believe that he received. I also question the wisdom of making a spectacle of a retired four star general over such a trivial matter, he does know people and it could be the equivilant of grabbing a tiger by the tail.
So you send 10 police
So you send 10 police officers Woody? Don't you think eight of the officers would have been more effective elsewhere? Partisan news reporting? I don't see any politics here, I see accountability. From what I understand, this news organization is not run by a liberal ideologue. And you assert the general is either disturbed or incompetent? How about innocent until proven guilty.
Not 10, there were 3
Two more came when fire and ems came due to the nosy neighbors. 6 fire and ems are normal protocol. Threatening a police officer and kicking a police officer are just to be ignored. Rigghhhtttt.
Innocent until proven guilty?
Good grief, Farmers (and others.) This is a public discussion on a small county news site, and it's within an "opinion" piece -- not a court of law. There's nothing wrong with sharing information and speculating, especially given this odd matter.
If you would deny commenters the privilege to offer a defense of law enforcement, then everyone should back off the attacks against the police, get the facts right, and give them the same right of presumed innocence which you claim here for the general.
I'm still confused about a lot of things. For instance, how is it that someone with the general's modest lifestyle but with a four-star general's retirement pay can't cover the cost of a Chinese meal delivery? Was his debit card simply expired, was it on a a different bank account than his main one but just happened to be low on funds, or, worse, is someone taking advantage of an old person and siphoning off his money? Anyone concerned for an elderly person would wonder about such things and discuss it. And, not to judge, but where is his family in all of this?
Maybe this episode is the best thing for the general, so that a judge might get to the bottom of his mental abilities and his apparent lack of adequate care and determine if the general should receive some additional monitored supervision. I think the general needs help, and we should be concerned enough to talk about it.
How about innocent in the first place?
The general did not steal the food, it was handed to him by the delivery driver, in his possession it was then his property. Two different attempts were made to then arrange payment, one of which is legal tender but was declined. The delivery driver then attempted to take back the food by force that was at this time in the possession of the general and the general reacted in kind, in his own home. The general did not intend to permanately deprive the restaurant of their money and the food was not taken from the driver by force or intimidation. The payment was made by a care giver and the initial situation was resolved to everyone's satisfaction except the PD.
rollingstone: Totally agree
This has now become totally CYA.
The general is not a threat to me or my people and this a real s-show that was bungled from start to now. It's ridiculous. Attack the caregiver who has a record(but drove to the restaurant and paid the bill)....question if the two women there were ho's,so what? then arrest the caregiver for "influencing a witness" for talking to him. This isn't right at all. I could care less if he drinks too much or has maybe some skanks in his house......he ain't driving and not affecting me. This is shameful to me.
The More Charges Created by
The More Charges Created by each corporate entity that becomes involved with this frivolous incident, can profit from this chaos. These tactics continue to grow all across America. I guess we can call it, the creation of laws for profit when attempting to "control ones behaviors," which in reality only creates monies for each corporate entities "accounts." I hope this is not what has occured. This event should never have escalated to this level. This is so shameful. This could happen to "anyone" young or old! As others are doing all across the nation, concerned individuals can form small investigative groups and collect the data (open records request) on questionable behaviors of these type incidents, and those involved. Small groups can meet and openly discuss issues that put up red flags. Individuals can do this on their own or in groups" without the influence of any corporate entity" which would want to sway the outcome. This is how we reach accountability and maintain balance in our great community. Thank you "TheCitizen" for allowing the people to ponder this potentially harmful path! The General is no robber!
This...
Wake up people..
If the general needs help and
If the general needs help and gets it, thats a good thing. But please don't characterize what I am saying as attacking police. I happen to have close family who serve as police officers and have nothing but respect for the job. What I have a problem with is certain police behavior. Can you imagine the results would be different if a couple officers had asked to sit on the porch with him and go over the situation? He proudly served; I happen to have served, and he deserved much better than what he got.
General attitude
Have first hand knowledge of his short fuse, where he had to come back to a store to apologize for yelling at a volunteer and making a big scene at a store a couple months ago. The police becoming unglued over bad attitudes is nothing new, you can have it hard or easy.
Hey rolling stone...
So if it were just a "commoner" like you and me rolling stone and if we are subjects of a 911 call and then disobey a lawful request from the police and resist arrest it's Ok for us to go to jail but not for the General???
Not You, Farmers.
My comment regarding the attack on law enforcement was directed at Cal's editorial, not you, Farmers. I don't think that the Fayetteville Police are incompetent or bullies. They have guidelines and limits, and they were probably within those. Yet, Cal got people stirred up against the police while there was still more to learn.
I agree that a calm porch discussion might have helped, and should have been tried, but it's difficult when the situation and, possibly, prior experience indicated that there was no reasoning with someone not in his right mind. If you've ever had to deal with an adult parent in senior care, you would know that they can be as difficult as a child or, worse, a teenager.
I hope the general gets help. He seems to be his own worst enemy right now, and he can't order others around and threaten them like they are subordinates in the army. Maybe he'll get evaluated for effects of aging or alcohol and, if needed, get treatment or supervision. I don't know of anyone who wants anything worse to come of this for him.
Nice home?
"Nice home ..., nice subdivision", not too biased, are we, Cal? What does the quality of the home/neighborhood have to do with anything? There are some nasty people who live in nice houses in this county, and very nice ones in the trailer parks.