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Using golf carts in PTC just got pricier

Non-PTC residents will have to pay $100 a year to ride on city cart paths

The vote on raising golf cart fees is in. Peachtree City residents will pay $15 per year while non-residents will pay $100 per year for licensing carts on the city’s cart paths.

The Jan. 7 vote by the City Council also abolishes the previous reciprocal agreement with Tyrone.

The vote on the ordinance change had Mayor Vanessa Fleisch, Councilman Mike King and Councilman Phil Prebor voting in favor and Councilwoman Kim Learnard and Councilman Terry Ernst opposed.

The current fee for city residents is $12 for up to five years and will increase to $45 for a three-year registration, essentially $15 per year.

The current fee for non-residents is $60 per year. Cart owners living in Tyrone were not charged with non-city resident fee under a reciprocal agreement between the two municipalities.

The vote increased the non-resident fee to $100 per year, including residents of Tyrone. An annual registration fee of $15 will be in addition to the non-resident fee.

Asked by Prebor about the number of carts registered, City Clerk Betsy Tyler said there are approximately 11,400 golf carts registered to Peachtree City residents. Another 1,000 are registered to non-city residents. Tyrone residents have 300 golf cart registered to operate in Peachtree City.

Learnard said she had received an email stating that some in Tyrone use golf carts to take their children to school. Children from both cities use Crabapple Lane Elementary School.

Former Peachtree City resident Robert Mudrinich, with a current Fayetteville address, said he sometimes drives his cart to areas on the city’s south side, adding that he is willing to pay the $60 non-resident fee but thought the $100 fee was a “huge jump.”

“Why create an ‘us and them’ between the city and the other areas?” he asked. “I will still come here, but not in my golf cart.”

Councilman Ernst agreed, stating his belief that many non-residents come the city to eat or go to concerts and not just to ride the cart paths.

“This is nickel and diming the citizens,” Ernst said in advocating not raising the non-resident fee.

None on the council objected to raising the fee to $15 per year. Fleisch, Prebor and King agreed with raising the non-resident fee, with King noting that some city residents do not use the paths.

The topic on fees has been discussed at several meetings and a fee of $15 per year for city residents, or $45 based on a three-year registration, was included in the FY 2016 budget adoption.

The 2016 budget provides for a total of $1.7 million for multi-use paths. That equates to .9 mills or $97.16 in property taxes for a home valued at $269,000, Tyler noted.

The council when adopting the FY 2016 budget last summer noted that the budget would provide for an additional $225,000 for cart path work bringing that total to $665,000, some of which could be offset by the increase in cart registration fees which would be raised to an annualized figure of $15.

Comments

PTC 680% Tax Increase There's only one thing that's special about Peachtree City, golf cart trails.  I thought I paid high enough taxes, but apparently not.  We need a 681% increase to users of the trails.  Why don't we charge people to borrow library books.  I have no use for the recycle center or even the aquatic center.   In addition, now we are alienating our neighbors in Tyrone and Fayetteville, but unbelievable fee of $100 per month.   I would ask the council to reconsider this huge tax increase, again, the only thing that's special about PTC is the cart trails.  I would find an increase from $12 to $20 tollerable for 5 years, why are we adding to administrative costs by making it every 3 years.  This increase fro $12 to $75 is just another way to take my money and add to the burocracy of PTC.   To the council, you are not representing me, I don't want this.  
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Wow Nathan, you lose                                                                                    Obviously the math test is way over your head, but then we get to the logic test and oh boy, you gonna have problems with that one.                                                      The people that use the cart paths (you know, the paved ones) not trails, which are dirt tracks in the woods, are using up a taxpayer funded resource and for sure the taxpayers have to pay because we live here, paid to have the cart paths paved and enjoy free access to the cart paths. Those who don't live here do not pay taxes here, so they should pay more to use our cart paths. Pretty simple isn't it? Huh Nathan?                                                           I am sorry you feel the city council is not representing you. Well, actually I'm not. I am glad they are representing me. You do have an option and that is moving away. Please do that before we get to vote between Trump and Clinton. Not sure I want either, but I am sure that I don't want someone like you voting for something that important in my town.
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Nathan Nathan              Per year not per month As Gilda used to say on SNL "Oh never mind"
SPQR - thanks for catching my Typo, $100 per year, not month.  Still an enormous fee.  Some just wont use the path's to get to PTC businesses.  Who loses there Mudcat?  Perhaps a PTC resident would like to go to Tyrone to visit a friend, shall they pay $100 per year in order to do so?  I got the word "trail" from the PTC empolyee that runs the path department when I was meeting with him and Jon Rory and Eric Imker about the freshly paved paths that are just as bumpy as the old ones.  When I complained about the bumpy new path, he said, "they're just trails". Mudcat, you say "for sure the taxpayers have to pay because we live here, paid to have the cart paths paved and enjoy free access to the cart paths."  So we paid and then they're free.  I don't follow.  If we paid, how can they be free?   Here's the math but I hope there's not a test.  Previously $12 per 5 years = $2.40/year : Now $15 per year 15/2.4=6.25 = 625% increase (I said 680% before because I did it in my head and I have a public school education, but I'm thinking close enough, what'd ya say?) Also, you're sort of a mean guy huh?  You think people should move away because they have a different opinion than you on funding for golf cart trails?  Interesting, I guess I might be rude too if I hid behind a fake name... like mudcat.  
I Think the new pricing is fair myself.   $15 per year is still inexpensive.  I am honestly not too concerned with those fees for non PTC residents.         Did you present an alternative way to increase funding for path upkerp etc to the Council? Let's hear it.   
I would say keep doing what they've been doing since PTC was founded, which is keep fees at or under $12 for 5 years, why all of a sudden the financial crisis?  We have the highest paid city staff in the surrounding area, maybe we can tighten some belts since we're so strapped, that's what any business would do.  I have no use for the aquatic center, I believe that gets city funds.  Happy to see that closed down, we have heathclubs after all, not sure why local government needs to be involved in that.  We can scratch the city governement run internet, I think the private market has it covered.  I'm already paying plenty of taxes and the only thing I really want from PTC is golf cart paths and decent roads.  Everything else is handled quite fine by the free market.  The book store works great, what do we waste on the library each year in operating costs?  Close the recycle center is another option... they tax you a little at a time so you don't notice that over half your paycheck was removed without your permision.
I don't like the City you describe....get  rid of this, get rid of that...we obviously disagree.    I am assuming you were replying to my query above. 
Nathan. None of what you describe is new and has been a part of the fabric of PTC for a while. End of the day there are many that have moved here and stay here for the amenities you mention you do not appreciate. Awesome. The best way to lower you tax bill is to find an area with the cost/ amenities you appreciate. But living in PTC does and has cost a little more. Looking across the varied groups of people I think there is a little something for everyone. As a recreation dad, I value that more than investments in other items that others may value. That is a community. But to your other point, about aleinating our neighbors. They chose the area they live in and for some the "higher taxes" of PTC was of some motivation. Should they not pay more as they do not pay PTC property taxes? They parents who live outside PTC are still welcome to use their cars to take the kids to school or let them on the bus. But taking the kiddos to school in golf cart is a privledge and if you do not live in the golf cart community of PTC, it costs more. Last, you choose to pick up the Imker line of highest paid staff. That is probably true. But are you arguing that we should hire less qualified people who will work for less? End of the day, PTC runs somewhat lean, if we do not hire for skill, what happens? But the other side of that is with higher pay should come both higher expectations and consequences for non performance. Take Care  
Very well said....
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Less qualified working for less                                            I'm ok with that. What could happen or go wrong? Approving a final plat that misses the required buffer area?Then granting a building permit? Then taking it back? Can't happen, we have mutiple levels of oversight including a requirement that the mayor or one councilmember sign all final plats. So don't worry about it.                                                                                  Not only that, all the local Realtors receive superb training from their overseers and since all live locally are experts on all things Peachtree City. I understand Keller Williams is espeially vigilant about training as they have team leaders who are seasoned experienced professionals who mentor and guide the newer agents. This avoids embarrassing mistakes. And they have excellent errors and omissions insurance that protects the company and the agents who have opted for supplemental coverage to rotect themselves (which isn't many) so even if a mistake is made - its covered.                                                                                    But seriously, the higher paid staff at the City is probably worth it overall.I sure hope Imker doesn't make his mayoral run next year all about cutting staff or salaries.
a government unwilling to regularly take inventory and discard inefficiencies and amenities that do not provide a sufficient return based on the cost is doomed to constantly grow in size, scope and of course taxation.  some think that amenities would not exist without governement.  However without higher taxes, we are free to spend our money where we want to.  I notice with some interest that a place like 'Monkey Joes' doesn't exist in PTC.  what a great low cost place to take your kids, $6 or something like that, adults don't pay.  and these places have to serve their customers or they'll go out of business.  not so when government is the means of production, the means of delivery of services.  in this case, there is little accountability.  PTC lake case and point, and I'm just not interested in excuses, same thing with Macduff pkwy, all that oversight means in the 13 years I've lived here, Macduff is still a dead end with growing numbers of houses.  If PTC lake was a business, it would have gone bankrupt and someone who knows what they're doing would have bought it and fixed it.  Probably would have some water side dining by now... that's about all I can say about that. 
There is an indoor play area ran by the owner of Partners Pizza in that very center.      I'm confused, you don't think we need parks?  You think a Fitness Center for adults is a replacement for the Kedron Indoor Center?  Where kids of all ages play basketball/volleyball and other various activities?  As others have said, maybe this isn't the City for you.      The Lake, yeah, it needed work, mainly because (IMHO) our County water authority didn't hold up it's end of the bargain.  McDuff, it was a disaster in the making the  minute Centennial was approved...tell me again, who made folks buy those houses with one access point?     
Actually we used to have three jumping places in PTC. They all went out of business. But your comment about scope is off course. Other than the tabled internet idea, I am not sure where PTC has stretched its scope. In fact, if you look at like cities (neither Tyrone nor Fayetteville count) the cost structure of the city is pretty lean. The big so what is we have been chosing to not face cost decisions by deferring maintence for a while now, hence the problem. We need to have an honest conversation about what we as citizens want and what we are willing to pay for. But that means not steering by last minute spreadsheets but rather through a rigorous, thoughtful, and transparent process. Buzz words are really nice but we need a plan which we do not have. Lake Peachtree is a great example of deferred maintenence, MacDuff is a good example of a lack of planning that will result in a disaster when it goes through for those who live off MacDuff.
Nathan   head on over to the BMX track in MCIntosh Trail today and see the new judges tower (now enlosed with windows, no less...probably  a/c and frig, too) that has just gone up along with the new sprinkler system (as in water) installed that was part of (correction) 1.3 milion in debt for recreation that was just approved.  That project, between 65 and 100 grand.  Not to mention the taxpayers get to pay for the sprinkler water use forever, too.  Cost unknown.  Surely a needed expense to go into debt for the10 years or so, right?  Trust me, there are many in this city who understand your point.  Then, look into a skate ramp system planned for Kedron that is coming from a city that closed theirs down (gee, wonder why).  Take the total #of users w/in PTC or even FC and see where taxes are being spent.  Spy and mud, feel free to attack my comments as usual since if you don't agree with them it means you can get rid of any opposed.  Same old, same old.
I will only say that PTC isn't known for amenities it does not have.  You agree or disagree?  Our facilities put us on the map years ago.  We must maintain them.     RE BMX spending...a lot of folks come to our fair city to use this track.  They spend money here.         Do I use every amenity?  No, nobody does, but I don't sit and critique every dollar the city spends on the things that aren't right up my alley.   That seems to be your main purpose here...cut down anything that doesn't exactly suit you... 
Yes spyking   OUR. 
I went to the dog park last weekend and was very happy to see the number of people using the BMX track.  Didnt check the cars in the parking lot to see where they came from, but it was nice to see the facility used.   I took my golfcart over, paid a dollar to use the park, and cleaned up twice after my dog. The dog park was also well attended.
Neil is right.  During the recession, council deferred maintenance on a lot of items. (Not just roads and paths).  We extended the mileage on vehicles, bldg maintenance, ect...  Allow council to present the whole picture (paths, bldgs, vehicles, computers, (whatever else they don't tell us) and lets have an honest town hall discussion. I moved here for the ammenities, schools, and safety and I am willing to listen if they present an honest picture.  Last minute spreadsheets, just tells me you waited until the last minute to work on it.
H&F & Neil   Yes, agreed.  Honest and planned.  Start there.    

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