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Romney and Ron Paul seem to be stuck at 21%. The surprise is Santorum who seems to be surging, gathering almost all of the supporters fleeing Rick Perry and Michele Bachmann who are widely seen as no longer viable candidates. Newt has settled down to a more realistic 15% after his surge but his support is really weak. Really, weak. Which is perfectly understandable given his baggage and the huge attack campaign launched against him by Romney's completely independent of Romney's superpac. (Thank you Supreme Court!). Newt's defectors seem to be flowing to Santorum. Perry has been the biggest surprise. By his reputation, I thought he would be huge, possibly the anti-Mitt, but it was a case of "welcome to the big leagues".

Santorum is going to win. Either outright or by beating the expectations and he has a great chance of an outright win. Either way, the press doesn't want Mitt to walk away with it so somebody's a contender and that fits Santorum. Unfortunately, Santorum has no organization outside of Iowa so he's only a theoretically, maybe, really viable candidate and cannot possibly organize New Hampshire before the primary. Still, that would meet expectations and he could make a splash in South Carolina.

It's getting interesting. Just a short eight months until the conventions then on to the general election against Obama.

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After the Romney/Perry superpacs killed Newt's chances

in Iowa, he will come out swinging at the next GOP Debate.

Hopefully Newt will have his little eyes dried by then.

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Well Gort

By some inexplicable coincidence as to your reply about Newt, or more likely there being no relation whatsoever, while I was reading your note, an advertisement in which a husband is chastised by his wife because even though he had used up the canister refill of toilet paper, he had not refilled the canister, which I took to be the object (the refillable canisters) of the sales point of the advertisement, was playing in the background on my TV.

I am not sure why it seems that my observation seems to answer your totally unrelated missive.

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Jeff_C, I’m not sure what to make of this.

Did you just call me a ‘butt-wipe?’ Man, oh man, its going to be rough going blogging on ‘The Citizen’ this year! 8 - )

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No, not at all Gort

LOL. Not you. I was referring to Newt and his current milieu. Which seems to have crystallized tonight with Newt coming in fourth. He will be hard pressed to be considered serious. Tonight wiped out Bachmann, Gingrich is stuck at marginal because he's marginal. Ron Paul trades in a narrow range in his own universe. Santorum hit his peak at just the right time for Iowa but Mitt's totally non-aligned superpac hasn't focused on destroying Santorum yet. Coming soon!

I'm not seeing any outcome except Mitt. I'm hoping Sarah P. decides she has to jump in to save the country/Party/conservative movement/TEA Party.

I'm watching now and with 99%, one vote separates Santorum and Romney. Extraordinary!

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The Great Teaparty Revolution Has Given

the Republican Party---drum roll pleasssssssseeeeeeee--a liberal governor from Massachusetts as the nominee! Phhhtttttttt......

Isn't Romney just the 100% Caucasian version of Obama, but a bit wealthier also?

What's the difference between Obamacare and Romneycare? I don't really know.

Slimedesy, can you s'plain the two plans in detail?

Will people really vote for a guy named after a rat or a piece of sports equipment? I don't know what Barack means exactly, but its not one of the two above!

Now, Let's Hie to Kolob!

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It's over all ready?

Congratulations to Mitt Romney on winning the republican nomination! Oh wait, I passed my civics class unlike Ninja Guy who seems to have been absent on the day that the election process was explained and that Iowa is only the first stop on a very long drawn out boring primary season.
As if people would vote for guy named after a rat or piece of sports equipment? Why not, they elected a president with Hussein and Obama in his name. Really is there anything much worse then that?

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Well yea, electing him a second time would be worse

That would show us that the 48% who don't pay taxes combined with the 38% currently receiving some form of government assistance (yes there is serious duplication in those %'s) now control the country and they expect the free ride to continue and all those voters care about is what's in it for them. If that happens next year, the country is toast.

Romney did win because Santorium is not going to be a factor in NH or SC and Bachman, Perry and Gingrich (although the candidate doesn't seem to know it yet) are through. So Romey picks up significant support from the supporters of the ones that are leaving the campaign. Pretty simple really. Santoreum may have positioned himself for VP, but I think not. Christie or Rubio are the obvious choices.

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Figboot, The Fat Lady Has Sung! The Tune Just Ain't

reached your gun-range-damaged ears yet! Perry is gone or a goner, Newt only has enough organization and funds to be a circus sideshow, and Santorum has NO organization at all. Oh, yeah Ron Paul is Ron Paul--nuff said there. So, whose gonna beat Willard? Nobody, that's who! It don't take civics class to figure that one out!

I can see the campaign signs now!

Vote Romney--The Totally White Obama!
Vote Romney--He's No Rat!
Vote Romney--Let's All Hie to Kolob!

I thought only Dems nominated liberal governors from Taxachusetts that implemented socialized medical plans to run for president!

Oh yeah, I looked up the meaning of Barak. In Swahili, it means 'Two-Term US President.'

Go Falcons! Win One for the Figger!

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Better start packing.

So if we play by your rules it's time for Michelle to start packing all those boxes as Barrack goes house hunting. After all the election is over and Mitt Romney will be moving in to the White House on January 20th, 2013. Last poll I saw from Rasmussen has Obama trailing Romney by 7%.
Again, congratulations to Mitt Romney!!

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Obama vs. Romney

Let's take another look at this. Only one other poll has Romney beating Obama - but it's early yet.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_electi...

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Bigfoot, You Could

be right! Willard might very well win the election, as he is a clone of Obama, only a few shades lighter! It will be close. But, my guess is that lots of conservatives will stay home rather than Hie to Kolob! Plus, that rascally Ron Paul could run on a third-party ticket and take the Teavangelicals with him!

Was Adam-12 realistic?

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Adam 12

I guess it all depends on what you want to call realistic? I was not a huge fan of Adam-12 so I can not tell you anything about the cases featured but from what I understand Jack Webb did his best to mimic the LAPD every way possible.

The building shown during the show was that of the Rampart Division.
The radio dispatcher was an actual dispatcher (FYI, same held true for Emergency)
The dispatcher should have referred to the unit as 2 Adam 12 as rampart is division 2
The use of the term Adam is correct as that refers to a 2 person vehicle
The 12 represents the vehicles patrol area

If you want to know some stuff on Emergency, I can answer you better as I never missed an episode (or at least until Roy & John were promoted to captains and the show tanked terribly)

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Mormon planet of Kolob

Hey, Ninja, do you know if Romney has been through the "Second Annointing" ritual in the Mormon temple?

"...participants are anointed as a king and priest...receive(s) the fulness of the Priesthood, all that can be given on earth."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_anointing

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I don't know for sure, but I would think so. He will certainly get it if he wins the nomination. Gotta be looking into that White Horse Prophecy too!

You think the Falcons can slay the Giants? I say Birds lose. Hope I am wrong. Ryan needs a playoff win.

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Second Annointing and "loyalty oaths"

Ninja, I'm currently reading, "Under the Banner of Heaven" by Jon Krakauer which provides a detailed history of the Mormon religion and an account of an horrific murder conducted by some FLDS church members back in the 1990's. I recommend the book if you get some free time to read.... stop watching all that football!

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As usual, I am light years ahead of all Citizen bloggers on all subjects foreign and domestic! I done read bout every Krakauer book out there, including 'Under the Banner of Heaven,' several years ago! I like me some Krakauer every now an a'gin, cuz that fellow literally put it all on the line when writing his books! That there Mt. Everest book he writ was a real hoot too! Now, best I recall, most Main Stream Mormons ain't like those two fellers what went on that killing rampage all hyped up on Joseph Smith and all! I reckon you mite find a few backwoods Baptists around these parts, not in PTC mind you, that might get the same notions as them FLDS fellers! But, that thar book do give you some insight on old Joe and Brigham don't it. That Brigham feller done had bout 50 kids, and one of his great, great, or something like that, grandsons growed up to be a pretty good footballer for the 49ers!

I reckon I done read so many books, and none of them from the public library mind you, that I am having to watch football while waiting for society to catch up! Rasslin' ain't that interesting since Dusty Rhodes and Chief Jay Strongbow retired!

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It's a weak field for sure

Are the Republicans really going to nominate the grandfather of Obamacare?

Romney's super PAC spent almost twice as much in Iowa as the official Romney campaign; most of it directed toward successfully savaging Newt. Newt's not happy about it either. He gave a nasty speech and left Iowa before the votes were counted. Newt can't win but he won't pull out either. He can run his shoestring campaign forever as can Ron Paul. Expect Newt to lead a no-holds-barred attack on Romney in the two weekend debates before the New Hampshire primary next Tuesday.

Perry's decision to stay in the race hurts Santorum's chances to rally South Carolina for a win against Romney. Perry, Newt and Santorum could split the conservative vote through several states without ever achieving a knockout blow against each other. Why get out when your opponents may collapse at any time leaving you the last man standing?

The presumed nominee is extremely weak. Romney campaigned for four years in Iowa and did not do as well as he did in 2008. His win in Iowa was certainly secondary to the boost Santorum got. Romney seems certain to win NH and so the win will be discounted as meeting expectations. After NH next week, the elections move South which won't help Romney. Structurally, the election setup favors a prolonged contest in that the Republicans intentionally set up the schedule so that over half of the delegates are elected after Super Tuesday.

Could it go to the convention? If it does, the Rs are going to throw all of these candidates out and nominate someone else.

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JeffC and Primaries of the Past

I don't ever recall such weak candidates, in either party, even getting the chance to campaign much less get within a half-mile of a debate stage. What has happened here? Is no one in control of the Republication national party anymore? Seems kind of pitiful these days....makes me long for Bob Dole.

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Ninja, JeffC & (R) Candidates

I would not call Jon Huntsman weak--experienced administrator (elected Gov of Utah twice), seasoned Diplomat (Amb to two countries),squeaky clean personal life, victim of the rotten political machinery that just grinds up good people--no matter political affiliation--who are willing to serve their country and spits them out with impunity or just ignores them completely. And yes, our wonderful mainstream media plays a huge role in that sort of action. Regardless of what happens in 2012, I don't believe any of it will be apocolyptic in nature. Maybe if Huntsman simply lost his cool and shouted at someone in a debate would help!

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AHG: Huntsman

Of all the Repub contenders and pretenders then and now, Huntsman is easily the most fiscally conservative of the field and it's not even close. His track record IS all about fiscal conservatism. If all the TP were like the Tea Party Patriots where spending and governance of limited resources is the most important issue and social issues secondary, he'd have a lot more support.

Unfortunately, a lot of the TP demands rigid compliance on social issues to go along with the fiscal conservatism and aren't that crazy about "the other Mormon" being a moderate in that area. They look at Huntsman as being a less known and not-as-polished Romney instead of a viable contender. They'd rather vote for Bachmann, no, wait, Perry, uhhhh...Cain, maybe Nasty Newt(!!??)...ok, Rick Santorum? Really? Huntsman is so much better than that crew of bozos and without all the baggage either.

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I agree AHG

Jon Huntsman would seem to be the strongest most knowledgeable candidate and yet he is almost totally ignored. Serving his country as an Ambassador during the Obama administration disqualifies him as a serious Republican candidate. He is not even considered.

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JeffC & Huntsman

And isn't it interesting that the Boston Globe would endorse Huntsman this week--again bypassing their former Gov!

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Boston Globe endorsement

No dude it isn't that interesting. The Boston Globe is owned by the New York Times which is owned by George Soros.

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Well Bobbo, my info

says that the NY Times is owned by the Ochs=Sulzberger family,but regardlessof who owns it, what is the rationale behind the endorsement? Even if Soros was involved in any way, why Huntsman/

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Huntsman is a 1%er

The reason the Globe/Times/Sultzberger/Soros dopes endorse this guy is that he is 1% in the polls after Iowa (yes I know he wasn't there)and therefore he is weak vs. Obama. The media dopes want Obama reelected.

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RWM - And

And he will be re-elected.

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I really don't think so, bigO

Of course anything is possible, but the NYT charging for internet content and the death spiral that the network news shows are in means their influence is waning. With the exception of the dopes that get their daily news from Entertainment Tonight and the Colbert Report, most everyone else has access to less biased information on the internet. There is also more biased information there, but that just gets opposing points of view out there instead of suppressed. It is no longer possible for an administration to hide things (with the willing help of the press) like Fast and Furious, "recess" appointments, Czar's agendas, Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, etc. Of course that works both ways - just ask Herman Cain.

The Dems are certain to try and trash the Republican candidate because they have no other cards to play. The President's dismal record, real unemployment at 12% and the anti-business attitude - which even the dumbest voter can equate to no jobs. So attack they will and of course they will go over the top and most voters will try to verify the Dems outrageous claims. You can do that very easily now, even easier than 3 years ago. That's why Romney is the perfect candidate - all they can do is attack his religion and look stupid doing that. I mean everybody got all tense about Kennedy being Catholic and thought the Pope would be a regular visitor to the White House. Turns out Kennedy violated most of the Catholic Church's rules. Fiddle and Faddle were there more than the Pope. Wonder where they are now. They must be in their 70's or 80's.

The internet is not a big Truth O Meter, but once you start researching you can't possibly avoid seeing multiple and opposing points of view. Now, you can argue that the Dems are better at the big lie tactic used on the internet and you'd be right (see Bush lied) but one of the benefits of massive unemployment is that unemployed people/voters have a real personal interest in this election because they really, really need a job and they have plenty of time to do research. Even hard-core union types are deserting the Dems for that reason. Some are deserting the union. Many are rejecting unions attempts to take over workforces.

Obama and the Dems overreached and most everyone knows it and the pendulum will swing back the other way.

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RWM: I don't think so

If it was up to the Internet, Ron Paul would have been elected in 2008 already.

The pendulum may swing back towards the center-right and away from people like Obama, Pelosi, and Hypocritical and Pathological Liar Harry Reid and the whole progressive wing, but it won't be because some idiots out there are wondering about Obama's birth certificate or others are claiming that Soros owns the NY Times. Been reading Alex Jones/Infowars a little too much lately?

Union voting? Obama already got the fewest union votes since 1984 when he got elected....."union membership" has never been near the monolithic voting block that blacks are as far as "yep, I see Democrat, so that's how I vote."
If it wasn't for the UAW putting tons of heat on Obama for screwing around for 3 years trying to figure out which was the least political resistance in the way of common sense, the South Korea free trade agreement would have been in place long ago.

Big labor can extort their political contributions by law in certain regions and spend their butts off campaigning for candidates that their members don't support overall, but when it comes to Presidential elections, they don't matter near as much. That isn't going to change and they will thankfully keep declining as time goes on.

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Not like Soros owns stock in the Times, Gym

more like he owns their minds and controls their thought process which results in some real funny decisions and convoluted editorials.

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Dispite the paranoid ravings about Soros

The Globe endorsed Huntsman because, of the choices, he is the most experienced and has the best qualifications for the job. Unfortunately for him, he is running in a Party in which his education and fluency speaking Chinese is viewed with hostile suspicion, and his service to the US as an Ambassador to China counts nothing for experience in foreign policy but is in fact an almost disqualifying detriment to him because he served his country during the Obama administration.

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Paranoid? Raving? Who me?

No, I didn't think so. I was simply answering a question someone had. But now I am going to change my answer. The Globe endorsed Huntsman only to diss Romney. The Globe has been against Romney since he ran against Kennedy in the 1990's and of course the whole time he was a Republican Governor (in name only) in their quaint little socialist paradise by the sea. I was there for a temporary assignment of about 6 months while he was governor and you just had to read both the Herald and the Globe every day for balance. And entertainment. Sure wish Atlanta were a legit 2 newspaper town.

BTW, experience and qualifications don't count here - this is a Presidential primary. The last time we had an experienced person run for President was Grover Cleveland's second time. Qualified? Maybe Jefferson or Madison.

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That's how y'all got Palin
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BTW, experience and qualifications don't count here - this is a Presidential primary.

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That's how y'all got Biden and idiots like Jimmy Carter elected into office where they had no clue as to what they are doing.

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Longing for Bob Dole

No, this is the most unusual group of candidates that I can recall. It was the TEA Party faction, of course. They fiercely vetted every candidate exclusively on their tax pandering and nothing else so they ended up with uncompromising tax purists who adhere to delusional economic policies. I'm surprised that the TEAs are now surprised that their fervent candidates are delusional in other areas as well and that these views work against them in the real world.

Your mystification about no one in control is easily answered. No one is in control. Murdoch realized this first and set up a mechanism within FOX News so that he could recruit and bolster Presidential candidates. Otherwise, no one is in control.

You're longing for Bob Dole? You are one sick puppy. LOL.

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Uncle Bob

At least Bobby D. was good for a snooze during the debates, while the current crew of Repub candidates (I guess you can call them that) is riveting only for their train-wreckish gatherings resembling a meeting of the weird-relatives club! (Not that I watch TV anymore mind you). As you say, I guess that is what Teaparty vetting and Murdoch ringmastering brings us!

I continue to read of rumblings of some surprise Repub candidate that is going to save the party's chances of winning the White House--any chance of that actually happening or is that just wishful thinking on the part of Romney haters?

Do you think Hilary will take over from Obama after his second term? Will she take over for Joe B. in about two years as a precursor? Can the Falcons beat the Giants? Can Steve Brown fix the 74/I-85 interchange while simultaneously stopping the WFB and TDK Boulevard? It is interesting times for sure!

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Republican Candidates

After the Iowa Caucus we can make a few statements.

75% of Iowa Republicans reject Romney. He is just not Christian or extreme enough for the core of the Republican Party.

Romney gets as many votes as an unlikely competitor--Santorum--who among other objectionable views would ban all contraception. Good luck with the women vote!!

Bachmann drops out when God admits he made a mistake when he told her to run for President--he did not realize what a blithering idiot she was.

Perry hints he will drop out but then decides to carry on after God tells him that he always gives Texas A&M grads a second and sometimes a third chance.

Ron Paul gets 21% of the vote in Iowa confirming that 21% of Republicans have racist views somewhere in their past and believe in keeping the Government out of our lives except when it comes to abortion and gay marriage.

Newt is mad because Romney attacked him. Attacks are so foreign to Newt's nature that is he so shocked, absolutely shocked.

And Sarah Palin flirts from the sidelines.

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Actually lion, most women want to keep their babies

But other than that silly statement on Santorum, you are mostly right.
Romney will improve from his almost constant 25% because you have to ask - 25% of what? If it is a 6 candidate field - 25% is acceptable. Now that he is about to get in a 3 candidate field the % will be higher.

I don't think he will be elected unless he gets a strong VP, which I hope he does. But Mitt against the Mutt is scary. We could have another 4 years - if the country lasts that long.

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Yes Lion

and no matter who runs against Mr. Obama, we will end up at the same place.

Republicans=Democrats

As I have posted before, the real change will come with the Congressional elections. Will we have another 2010 Tea Time?

Throw them all out in 2012.

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Boy O, PTC O, is that right!

The real contest is in Congess. Modest gains in the House, Takeover in the Senate. After that - we can even live with Obama for 4 years. Hope we don't, but neutering the big dog is good for the country.

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PTCO, When I Was An Anarcho Capitalist

I used to think as you! But, then I joined the real world! Do you really think Al Gore would have plunged the US into a decade-long war in Irag and Afghanistan? I think not! There IS a difference, albeit it small sometimes, but sometimes small is enough to get the nation into a war!

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Ninja Guy, you are a bit myopic

The longest conflict in US history was started by a democratic administration. And btw, although Vietnam was Kennedy/LBJ, the Korean war had Harry Truman as president and that conflict is still technically a "cease fire". Regardless of administration, the real issue is that we do not have the testicular fortitude to demand a declaration of war (as the constitution states) for the commitmentof the armed forces and commencement of hostilities. Al Gore helped plunge us into Bosnia/Hertzegovina, are you so sure he wouldn't have done Afganistan as well? He could be the antiwar cheerleader when he had no power to make decisions, but he didn't have the courage of his antiwar convictions in the 1990's.

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Yes, I have been wearing glasses for a long time! I was not commenting on the proclivity of either the Dems or Repubs to get us into a war--both have gotten us there before! I was commenting specifically on Big Al. I doubt that he would have felt led by God to go to war as I think GWB did. Yes, it is distressing that the declaration of war is being bypassed. I don't think Big Al held sway over BC to the extent that DC had over GWB. Anyway, I just don't think Big Al would have pulled the trigger on Irag or Afghanistan in a big way.

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Al Gore's war. Certainly different than Bush's war(s)

Al Gore's war is against you and me and everyone who pays a utility bill - which is a lot of people. The global warming hoax was his war and even though the inconvenient truth is that scientists massaged the numbers and removed decades of historical data from their supporting charts to show a very slight (less than 1/2 degree) warming in 100 years.

Hoax or not, Prezbo got his new regulations starting this month on coal companies. You'll see the difference in your electric bill - which will be higher because of the new regs and higher still because the earth is actually cooling.

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Ninja - No

I don't think Al Gore would have gotten us into Iraq or Afghanistan. I conjecture that he would have asked OBL to stop running planes into our buildings because it was harming the environment.

He would have stamped is foot firmly on the ground with his hands on his hips and said, "we're just not going to have this kind of behavior anymore", naturally he would have done this with tears in his eyes and with pouted lips.

Then he would have made a film about how man is ruining the environment, and be rewarded by his friends with a the Nobel Prize and an Academy Award.

That's what Al would have done.

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PTCO And The Lust for Blood

Good points and uncharacteristically lucid and even a bit humorous for once! However, your lust for blood does injustice to your libertarian, or Bastiatic, ideology! I think Big Al might have taken the Obama way, using precision strikes against the leaders. But, we will never know thanks to those hanging chads.

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Lion you have misinterpreted the Almighty's involvement

I believe that you have misinterpreted the Almighty's involvement in the election.

lion wrote:

Bachmann drops out when God admits he made a mistake when he told her to run for President--he did not realize what a blithering idiot she was."

There is zero evidence that God did not realize Bachmann's train of thoughts ran on an unusual gauge track. Nor is there any admission of a mistake by Him; a self-contradictory concept by definition. You made that up by postulating the unwritten assumption that because He told Bachmann to run there was some implication that she would win. This is, in my opinion, a fundamental error. By their assertion, the Good Lord is influential in 72% of Republican candidates decisions to run for President. I have never heard a single one ever claim that He promised them they would win.

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Perry hints he will drop out but then decides to carry on after God tells him that he always gives Texas A&M grads a second and sometimes a third chance

I have not seen this claim by Perry although I wouldn't doubt it at all. However it struck me as ironic that you seem to have noted it within a context of incredulity when in fact Perry does seem to be getting that third chance.

The Lord works in mysterious ways.

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Santorum and anti-choice views

Santorum: Our abortion was different

I just read some articles describing Karen Santorum's ordeal back in 1997 when she was faced with either her own death, or the death of her fetus due to a horrible uterine infection. She chose to live, which was the absolute best choice for her and her family, although she sadly lost her baby after receiving drugs to induce labor to expel the fetus. However, how can Rick Santorum continue to rail against abortion rights for other women who may encounter the same situation? Do as I say, not as I do... the Republican creed.

“The doctors said they were talking about a matter of hours or a day or two before risking sepsis and both of them might die,” Santorum said. “Obviously, if it was a choice of whether both Karen and the child are going to die or just the child is going to die, I mean it’s a pretty easy call.”

http://oursilverribbon.org/blog/?p=188

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