Re-elect President Obama

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that is true... he did the right thing

and put his career on the line. I remember when Jimmy Carter did something similar and the helicopter blew up. I felt so sorry for him. It ruined his career. The other group pounced on it with all they had.

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wackiest candidates

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SQ9GjMpRtH0

Debate between Obama, Rick, Michelle and Joe...it is pretty funny! Check out Elmer's website (he makes the cartoons). He is a friend of my sister and she told this is his way of venting.

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I wouldn't vote for this clown for dogcatcher..

In fact, I'd vote for Steve Brown over Obama. :)

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Spyglass. From you.......

That's a compliment :-D

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Actually spyguy, Brown is the dog catcher

or at least the head Dog Park person or whatever his title is. And a budding socialist. How else would you explain free access to the Dog Park over the holidays? This is the way it starts. First one week, then a month, then .....

Obama is definitely toast against Romney/Rubio; possible toast against Gingrich; but a winner against any of the other Republican clowns. Let's just move on with a nominee and a campaign against the very worst President this country has ever had. Might be good to consider the Republican guy with money and the ability to raise more has the best chance against Prezbo's union-funded warchest.
Principles or facts don't matter in an election that panders to the "young middle" meaning 30 year old unemployed bloggers living in their parent's basement - only money does. Money to spend on ads during 30 Rock and Seinfeld reruns.

What crap this election business is.

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I love your state of denial Robert Morgan. Two haunting words:

ROMNEY CARE. Romney care romneY Care rOMney cAre, RoMnEy CaRe

Whatever happened to the good old days when only big oil, pharmecutical, and energy companies could influence elections?! Darn these science-believing, upright-walking 30 somethings!!!!!

Robert, this is the part where we wave our fists at the moon.

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7 reasons why Obama will lose in 2012

1. Every day, the U.S. government takes in $6 billion and spends $10 billion. This means that every day the federal government spends $4 billion more dollars than it has.
2. The real unemployment rate is a jaw-dropping 11 percent.
3. Every fifth man you pass on your way to work is now out of work.
4. College graduates are now 34% less likely to find a job under Obama than they were under President George W. Bush.
5. Every seventh person you pass on the sidewalk now relies on food stamps.
6. The ravages of the Obama economy now mean that more Americans live under the federal poverty line than at any time in U.S. history since records have been kept.
7. Under President Barack Obama, every fifth child in America now lives in poverty.

It's the math, Stupid!: 7 devastating facts about 2012

Obama is an incometent imbecile.

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Irony
Joe Kawfi wrote:

Obama is an incometent imbecile.

Gotta love the irony here of the misspelled word.

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Gotta love the sharp eye of a sailor

I missed that myself. I blame age and lack of sleep. Hope we can ralley the troops the first or second of january

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Kevin, did you do that on purpose?

"ralley" vs "rally". Ironically funny on both sides of the coin :)
Happy New Year to you...

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Wedge. Not intentional.

Glad I wasn't calling anyone a tupid imbecile

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Kevin and all

Would love to meet the 'debaters' of Fayette County - especially since Hutch said there is no political ranting!!!
I've really learned a lot from you guys and dolls!

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Dm

I guess you'll have to show me where I said that.

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oops HUTCH

Sorry. My misinterpretation. I won't intrude.

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Dm

I guess that means you can't show me, I didn't think you could.

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HUTCH

I have enjoyed an intelligent conversation with those who have a different ideology than mine. I thought you were one of them - my mistake. Someone, after the last coffee, stated that they enjoyed the event and there was no political ranting at all. You obviously were not that person. I apologize for assigning you an intelligent response. However, if I come across the comment - I'll share it with all. LOL!

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DM< Hutch, & political ranting cmt

twas most likely me--but I didn't think of it like anything of "an intelligent respnose"---just being honest.

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AHG

Do you still think it is an honest assessment of the 'gathering'? Would one with a similar ideology of Kevin, Jeff C, etc, feel comfortable . . .or unwelcome? Honesty is appreciated. I was under the impression that after participating for a number of years - participants would be welcomed. Sorry if I misunderstood the intent of the gathering.

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DM, AHG

It is an honest assessment of the last one to which I went. The problem with many here is that we blog as if the opposition does not have a brain in their collective heads. With the exception of Crispy/Sniffles, I haven't had that experience in actual face to face interactions. Also you ought to go because AHG and Kevin as so good looking... :)

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The Wedge

Wow! That is enticing. Thanks!

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Hey DM, they are all pussy cats when we get together. I have to

warn you though--leave those good looking guys alone--they are mine---forget the politics--I'll fight ya' for them! lol Seriously, I have only been to two and they have been very pleasant--the second one we had more of an opportunity to converse and it was all good! Waiting for the next one.

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DM & Honesty

Honesty is simply what you get from me--it's kinda like "Straight-No Chaser"! You ever seen anyone badmouth a coffee or beverage of choice meeting? So why don't YOU ask Kevin why he goes? I realize it may be hard for some to understand but there are participants here whose lives do not revolve around politics and racial issues.

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Actually Davids mom...

we all have a really good time regardless of the ideology. We are just everyday people.

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Cycilst

I 'll take your word for it! !! LOL.

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DM

I do not comment as often as I used to, but I have known some of these people only through blogs for years. When I finally mustered enough courage to attend a gathering and met some of these folks face to face, I must say I've made some of the dearest friends I've ever had. Some folks I feel are like family to me now.

I'm sure you would be welcomed. Folks can have differing opinions, yet we are all just folks, sometimes it is good to agree to disagree.

However, since I do not do the blogs as much as I have in the past sometimes I miss out on gathering dates . . .and some of my friends have not sent my personal, engraved, hand-delivered, invitation . . .so I've missed out! LOL! Hope to catch the next one.

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eod

Thanks for your input! I will try to make the next one!

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Latest Poll - Rasmussen Reports

Looks like a recent poll from Rasmussen Repors shows the GOP up by 8% for the White House according to this article from UPI: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/12/30/Poll-GOP-given-edge-for-White-....

A 16% drop for Obama in less than 2 weeks.

The same article goes on further to state that those polled also give the edge to the GOP to take control of the Senate and keep control of the House.

It's such a great time to be a liberal Democrat! LOL ;-)

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BIGFOOT-

There were polls that said McCain would win!! We'll just have to see - too soon to tell. We don't know who the Republican candidate will be yet. That seems to change weekly - but Romney is holding on in most polls.

Gallup Poll three days ago.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2011/12/gallup-obam...

Quote from the Rasmussen Poll:

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state that those polled also give the edge to the GOP to take control of the Senate and keep control of the House.I

I wonder how many Democrats and Independents were polled? LOL This is such an interesting election year!! I wouldn't be surprised if Santorium(sp?) caught on before the Republican Convention!

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just having a little fun

Just to be fair to everyone here, the Gallup poll you refer to is only for his job approval rating and has zero to do with the actual election. The poll shows that Obama's job approval rating is higher (47%) than his disapproval rating (45%) for the first time in 6 months.

I was trying to have a little fun here with Lion who was already to book their trip to D.C. for the inauguration ball because a recent CNN poll had Obama with a 8 point lead. Here we are less than 2 weeks later and Obama now trails by 8 points. Just as you, I agree polls at this point are completely meaningless but when I saw this article a few moments ago, I immediately thought of this forum and had to share ;-)

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Bigfoot-

It's going to be a humorous year as these daily polls are circulated. Thanks for sharing!!! :-)

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Here is the real game changer, foot - and Jeffc if you wish

Chris Christie was in Iowa today campaigning for Romney.
Anybody thinks he's doing that without a VP promise?
Anybody think a Romney/Christie duo would lose to Prezbo and Uncle Joe?
Anybody (even Kevin) think that a Romney/Christie ticket does not win big in PA, NJ, NH, MA, VA, SC, FL? Maybe even NY and OH?
Anybody think those states don't matter?

Huh? Answer me.

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RWM, There is Still the Issue

of the magic underpants. Don't know how Willard gets around that with the evangelicals.

I don't think they are quite ready to Hie to Kolob.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKM8rK0hZYI

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I didn’t know Mormons had to wear

‘magic underwear’. If Chris Christy is Mitt Romney’s running mate, will he have to wear ‘magic underwear’ too? ( )( )

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Gort, Chris Chris would not have

to wear the garment because he has not entered the Aaronic priesthood. Besides, I don't think they make them big enough to fit him!

BTW, what you wear under that iron suit to keep the chaffing down? Use a lot of WD40?

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Underwear! Underwear?

Gort don’t wear no stinking underwear.

8 - )

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RW_Morgan, there are a few things

about Chris Christy that GOP voters might not like.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/09/chris_christie_flaws.html

Then there is always the risk he might tank as bad as Rick Perry did.

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RWM, Also Chris Chris is Extremely Obese!

Teavangelicals will not vote for a disciple of Joseph Smith AND a fat guy on the same ticket. They would be afraid that Chris Chris might keel over in his bucket of KFC, leaving Willard free to Hie to Kolob!

Chris Chris weighs WELL over 300 pounds! The only 300+ pounders that Teavangelicals will support play for Bama, LSU, and UGA!

You keep looking for that magic ticket to take down the sitting President of the USA. God Bless America!

BTW, you think the Falcons can beat either the Cowboys or the Giants? I'm hoping the Falcons head to Dallas myself.

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Underwear and overweight interests you?

You people easily get distracted.
What I said was "....think that a Romney/Christie ticket does not win big in PA, NJ, NH, MA, VA, SC, FL? Maybe even NY and OH? Anybody think those states don't matter?"

Trivial individual concerns don't win or lose elections, electoral college votes from key states do that.
True enough that all Republican candidates are flawed in some way. Dems love to divert and distract and play up those things because of another thing all the Republican candidates have in common - any of them would be a far better President than Obama. And as bad as Obama is, what can you expect from him in a second term where he would not be restrained by the campaigning for reelection niceties.
Nevertheless, it is not about qualifications or even the journey - it is about getting 270 electoral votes next November.

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RWM and The English Language

RWM, what you did was ask a rhetorical question it seems.

'Anybody (even Kevin) think that a Romney/Christie ticket does not win big in PA, NJ, NH, MA, VA, SC, FL? Maybe even NY and OH?'

It seems you are saying that a Willard/Haystacks Calhoun ticket DOES win big in the above states.

I'm saying they WON'T win in those states because Willard is not a Christian in the eyes of the locals there and Chris Chris is guilty of the sin of gluttony!

You gotta win the popular vote in each state to get the electoral votes!

Obama wins again!

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RW Morgan, Us people easily get distracted?

You’re the one going giddy at the possibility the ‘gumba’ from New Jersey, Chris Christie, is anointed as Mitt Romney’s VP running mate.

Doesn’t the GOP have some experience with VP Governors from New Jersey? Spiro Agnew! That didn’t go so well did it? Besides, I think, in the GOP today already has more than their share of ‘nattering nabobs of negativism’ already. 8 - )

Romney doesn’t look genuine and Chris Christie political style will get old quick. In the case of Christie he hasn’t even been vetted at the national level yet. If you think putting Romney and Christie on the ticket is the GOP secret weapon to win the WH, good luck with that.

President Obama will box the two of them up like a crate of oranges.

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Only if his teleprompters keep working

if not it's... Uh...Uhmmmm..It's.....uhhhhh... Fair.... fairness...uhnmmmm.

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S.Lindsey, there you go again,

proving my point for me.

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“,..the GOP today already has more than their share of ‘nattering nabobs of negativism’,..

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Well howdy gort ole buddy

I see you are still shoveling it here.. Good morning to ya... Now a message from our Commander in Chief...

My Fellow Americans let me be clear Uh....uhmmmmm... I think...uhhhhh.. to be fair.....uhhhh...uhmmmmm... certain Americans need to....uh.... pay their.....uhmmmmm.... fair share....and....uh....uhmmmmm...we need to be fair..... and.....did I tell you I got OBL? Thank you.

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S.Lindsey, I’m doing fine, thanks for asking.

How about you?

Someone has to shovel away some of that GOP/Teaparty BS or we would all be choking on the noxious fumes.

BTW, does Obama really sound like that to you? Maybe you should try washing the tea bags out of your ears.

To me, it sounds more like Rick Perry’s debate performance.

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Not vetted at the national level?

Well now, President Obama has certainly been vetted at the national level. What more do we need to know about him before we replace him?
I can't see Christie with Romney, but Rubio would be a nice match and he would certainly give them FL and possibly some other states.
I thought Obama was going to dump Biden and get a new VP to run with in 2012. Clinton? Big Sis? Sabillius?

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Mudcat, why fight it, Mitt Romney and Ron Paul

is the GOP dream ticket.

Mitt can spend his full time campaigning on how he will funnel more wealth from working families to his pals on Wall Street.

Ron Paul can campaign on National Defense and killing Social Security and Medicare.

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Mudcat. You think Rubio delivers Florida?

I imagine once the GOP as a whole is insured he is not a Mexican, he will then have to explain AGAIN why he misrepresented his immigration status. That, given the GOP agenda, could prove awkward. Note to politicians: If a news story forces you to physically change your online biography, you messed up... bigtime.

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VP's can't deliver squat

About the only thing a VP candidate is good for is a) the media b) political hyper-pundits and c) going to funerals overseas if elected.

No one really gives a damn about who the VP candidate is unless they are really, really bad, then it becomes a drag on the Prez candidate. There's nothing a VP can do positively for a Prez. Look, Obama got elected with blowhard Joe Biden as his VP and H got elected with Qualye. I would argue it was more in spite of them than any boost they allegedly received from naming them.

H Bush MAY have helped Reagan to some extent with some establishment Repubs who were too ignorant/really damn stupid to take Reagan seriously, but no more than he also hurt him with the Christian conservatives at that time who rose up and were a definite part of the landslide blowout.

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Why are you and Gort so critical of everyone

Anytime someone mentions a name you have a hair trigger negative response that sounds as if it was packaged by Democrat operatives. You do know the mission here is to present the best candidate to beat Obama, not to find a perfect person to be the candidate or his running mate. Sure as can be the Dems will bring up some of the silly stuff you guys do, but why do it now? It just looks like Democratic anxiety. OMG! It just occurred to me. You guys are Democrats! OMG! How funny! Right here in Fayette County Georgia.

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Mudcat

We're here. . . . . . . . . . . .LOL!!

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Mudcat. Defeating Obana is YOUR mission clearly.

Unfortunately not all bloggers share your cause. But we are heavily outnumbered, which should give you solace....locally anyway :-)

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DEBATES

Fortunately for Democrats, the Republican Party, through their numerous debates, have convinced so many Independents why none of the Republican candidates are capable of handling the job. The one that most Independents are looking at (Romney) - the 'party' seems hell-bent to destroy his reputation. Gingrich has lost his momentum; Cain is gone; Huntsman they ignore; Bachmanns team is leaving her; and Santorum and Paul will be the next targets if they do well in Iowa. Interesting!

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And your mission is to give Obama another 4 years?

Or do you think Hillary will step forward? No one in their right mind wants 4 more years of this stuff. Way too late in the game to be blaming Bush and all that other nonsense. Obama has changed the country and I don't like it. Do you? Seriously?
I am speechless.

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Well help me out mudkitty. What did our president change

That has you all twisted? Tax structure? Nope. Single payer healthcare? Don't have it? Oh! I figured it out! It's either the world without bin laden or the lack of a fake Texas accent in the oval office. Now I understand.

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Hey Mudcat

You gave Bush 8 years - and we didn't like it (and neither did you!) You're not offering an alternative that we can live with. You guys don't like any of your candidates. Families have their sons and daughters back from Iraq. With our current Congress - we can't get approval for any type of Marshall Plan - so it's best we just come home. You're not speechless - and neither is the Republican Party. We hear you - and we're ready to respond to all of the allegations that have been made about ALL of your candidates. It's going to be an interesting year. Happy New Year!!

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Mudcat, how can you say that

about me after I gave you the winning GOP ticket combination of Romney/Paul?

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Gort & Agnew

Try Maryland---NOT Jersey!

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Gort, Christie, & "Vetting"

Not sure what you mean by saying Christie hasn't been vetted at the national level--all Governors undergo various levels of formal "vetting"--or else they couldn't command their National Guard units and be exposed to various levels of classified info necessary for them to perform that duty.

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AtHomeGym, if Chris Christie is on anyone’s VP ticket,

he will have to explain away some positions he has taken in his political career that are not popular with the current GOP/Teaparty. What is acceptable in NJ politics may not play nationally for him.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/09/chris_christie_flaws.html

If you don’t believe me, look at Mitt Romney’s campaign. It sure is tough to be an effective Governor of MA and then try to run for President as a Republican, eh?

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Missed by a few miles Gort

Agnew was governor of Maryland.

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AtHomeGym, Tin Can, I got the wrong state alright,

pardon me, however my sentiment remains the same,

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The GOP today already has more than their share of ‘nattering nabobs of negativism’.

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Robert. I love your confidence in Romney and simultaneous

Hatred of Romneycare. How do you separate the two so well?

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I don't believe it for a minute RWM

I don't think Christie changes anything. In fact, he would hurt Romney. What's another path-to-citizenship immigration loving, gun-control supporting, climate change believing Northeastern governor bring to the ticket?

Besides, it ain't gonna happen. Romney has to nominate a rabid true-believer as his VP to shore up his weak base support.

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An interesting up to date view on re-election

But who knows what will happen between now and November!!!

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/sns-ap-us-obama-fourth-year,...

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I will be voting for ABO

I will vote for Ron Paul...Mit Romney or Newt Gingrich. I will vote for Anyone But Obama...even though none of these are ideal candidates they are all still better then our current resident in the Whitehouse.

Remember President Obama said if he couldn't fix the economy in 3 years his would be a one term deal? I would like to help him keep his word for a change.

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Your fault SL

Your crazy radical TEA Party drove the A team Republicans from the field. Their obstructionist tactics in Congress are going to lead to Obama's reelection.

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Dream on Jeff

You said the same thing in 2010 remember?

That sentiment lead the single largest defeat of a Political party both National and Statewide since 1938.

You guys just keep doing what you have been doing... Buying what the "Mainstream" media keeps selling you. You are believing your own propaganda.

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Come to think of it SL

You would be correct.

Still, you can't be happy with Romney in spite of the fact he's not Obama.

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Oh you are correct Jeff

but I have to hope that a change in leadership will move this Country forward.. I somehow doubt it though.

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Conservatives Declare American Dream Dead!

In an earth-shattering article on the front page of the NYT, several prominent conservatives and conservative institutions declare that the American dream is dead!
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Former Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, a Republican candidate for president, warned this fall that movement “up into the middle income is actually greater, the mobility in Europe, than it is in America.” National Review, a conservative thought leader, wrote that “most Western European and English-speaking nations have higher rates of mobility.” Even Representative Paul D. Ryan, a Wisconsin Republican who argues that overall mobility remains high, recently wrote that “mobility from the very bottom up” is “where the United States lags behind.”

Liberal commentators have long emphasized class, but the attention on the right is largely new.

“It’s becoming conventional wisdom that the U.S. does not have as much mobility as most other advanced countries,” said Isabel V. Sawhill, an economist at the Brookings Institution. “I don’t think you’ll find too many people who will argue with that.”

One reason for the mobility gap may be the depth of American poverty, which leaves poor children starting especially far behind.
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God Bless What Was Once the American Dream!

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Obama's Occutard Children plan "Funeral for the American Dream"

Occupiers Plan Gay Pride Parade And “Funeral For The American Dream” To Disrupt New Hampshire Primary

These worthless miscreants should be protesting at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Obama's socialist policies are what caused this mess.

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Well, No Joe

the demise of the American dream is due mostly to those born into poverty being unable to get out! So much for trickle-down economics! More like beat you down and keep you down economics! Now, as a job creator, I need to get back to work to pull that socialist wagon loaded with people like Bigfoot and others living at taxpayer expense for the REST OF THEIR LIVES!

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Ninja and Annuitants

Good for you for being a job creator, but don't paint all of us with the same brush. Many worked in dangerous places for not much moola (my starting salary was $72 a month! For entertainment, that meant maybe a pizza and one pitcher of suds twice a month. Many fulfilled contracts and now only enjoy what they promised.

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AHG, You Know That

you are exempt from any of my jabs at annuitants because you are a stand-up guy and and from what I can tell a fine soldier that anyone would have been proud to serve with! I don't mind dropping off my share at your house! Happy New Year!

Falcons gotta get their Dirty Bird on this weekend!

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The American Dream

is not dead! Ill, yes - but it can be healed!! Some 'conservatives' must be in the mortuary business!

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One reason for the mobility gap may be the depth of American poverty, which leaves poor children starting especially far behind.

We must not cut educational opportunities in this country!! This is what helps 'mobility'. Recognizing that 'poor' children start out 'behind' - doesn't mean that our educational programs cannot help them AND THEIR parents 'catch up'. Look at the programs and ideologies that are 'killing' the dream - and HEAL / CHANGE THOSE PROGRAMS so that the dream can live on! It's going to take more than MONEY - but ACTION by knowledgeable educators and sincere community volunteers. LOOK AT CHARTER SCHOOLS. What are the elements that all Charter Schools have in common? Good teachers are one common factor. Are we getting our best and most intelligent to go into the teaching profession? Why? Why not? Charter Schools that are successful have made the school day longer and are realizing that their teachers need on-going training. Too many districts are cutting classroom time for students - and planning/training time for teachers. ALL IN THE NAME OF THE ALL-MIGHTY DOLLAR! There are community businesses in the urban areas that have developed partnership with Charter Schools that are succeeding. The 'MAJORITY' of the poor children in this country are not considered minority. Stop allowing poor practices to continue because you think only minorities are affected. We are only as strong as our weakest Link - and our weakest Link is a decline in our educational offerings to American children!

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D-Mom and Charter Schools

D-Mom, charter schools are one way to help those that start out on the bottom of the ladder with little hope of climbing except for a good education, but charter's have their issues as well. For one, they cherry pick students, often rejecting applications from handicapped kids. I think a better solution would be to overturn the current system of financing schools through property taxes. There is no way some of those poorer counties out in the GA hinterlands will ever catch up with our fine FC system under the current framework. It's a fact that some areas will require more funds per student to even come close to being able to provide students with the education they need to climb out of poverty. As the article I referenced above says, mobility has a lot to do with family background. The only way to overcome that is through the education system, and I don't think charters alone can make a large enough difference. Anyway, back to my role as a job creator and puller of the socialist wagon filled with retired civil servants:).

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I absolutely agree with your thinking about Charter Schools and upward mobility. I have often asked: Why can't we model our public education program after Charter Schools and offer these innovative programs to ALL students. It will take innovative use of budgeted funds to accomplish this.

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I think a better solution would be to overturn the current system of financing schools through property taxes. There is no way some of those poorer counties out in the GA hinterlands will ever catch up with our fine FC system under the current framework. It's a fact that some areas will require more funds per student to even come close to being able to provide students with the education they need to climb out of poverty.

Herein lies the need for leadership and commitment to improve our educational offerings for all Americans. What some citizens don't realize is that not all private schools are doing the job for ALL students.

Anywho!! I have the snacks ready, phones turned down, and ready to cheer the Falcons on to victory!!!

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Why can't we model our public education program after Charter Schools and offer these innovative programs to ALL students. It will take innovative use of budgeted funds to accomplish this.

The biggest anchors around the neck of the public school system are first, a group of kids that don't want to be there. And second, laws that require that the teacher teach to the lowest common denominator. I'm all for giving extra help to those that try but those that just refuse to do anything should be separated from the rest. And even those that try but have trouble should be placed in a class where they get the help they need until they catch up. We have to stop holding back the best and the brightest. The reason that charter schools do so well is because the kids that don't want to be in school are in public schools allowing charters to excel. Poor kids are stuck in public schools not getting the education that they could be getting because they can't afford to go to private/charters. Until we address this we will have kids that will not be educated to their potential.

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An important part of your correctly identified anchor are poorly trained teachers and parents with no parenting skills. I have seen superior teachers first get the cooperation of the parents of their students; second, use control and motivation techniques that fit the needs of the students in their class. You're correct, if parents in Charter Schools do not cooperate/support the educational program of the school - the kid is out. The kid is out if he/she is a constant disruption to the educational program. Well managed districts and schools can do the same thing - but school boards must be cooperative - and provide alternative educational programs for students who don't cooperate in the regular system. What is attractive about Charters is that teachers are allowed to try innovative approaches to presenting concepts.

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And second, laws that require that the teacher teach to the lowest common denominator.

I'm not familiar with a 'law' that requires this - but I do find that many states/districts have very low expectations for grade level in this country. I'm not surprised that our students are doing, on the average, so poorly when compared to other industrial nations. HOWEVER, we still have students from all over the country who attend our universities that are among the best in the world - and these students successfully graduate! The public does not seem to understand how important pre-school is for those students who don't have the luxury of 'lap time' learning at their mother's knee. Research has shown that the middle class mom who may be working, makes pre-K a budget item so that her child is not behind when entering Kindergarten. During these financial times, some mothers have set up their own Pre-K experiences for their children. . in cooperatives. The key to a successful educational program you have correctly identified: Parent cooperation; student cooperation and I'll add OUTSTANDING TEACHERS!

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Correct, educating all in the same class room reduces the teachers ability to get the best out of each student. In saying that I think we have to provide a good education to all kids. Not all Special needs kids belong in the mainstream class. How do we make them feel accepted/not ostracized when outside the mainstream? Not only that how do we separate out the kids who don't want to be there and those who's parents don't care?

I think charter schools are viable options if the public would buy into them on a larger scale.

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Not all Special needs kids belong in the mainstream class. How do we make them feel accepted/not ostracized when outside the mainstream? Not only that how do we separate out the kids who don't want to be there and those who's parents don't care?

As for the special needs kids I don't have the answer. All I can say is that the school system can't be all things to all people. Priorities have to be set. As for the others it isn't hard to identify them. They don't do their school work, have bad grades, cause trouble, and the parents don't want to be involved. When their grades fall move them to a classroom for those kids. If they do their work and get their grades up move them back. But unless we give a good education to the kids that want one the poor kids that can't afford private/charter schools will always be at a disadvantage.

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I agree move the kids who's grades drop and don't improve. Taking these individuals out of the mainstream will be a good start for those who want an education. Not sure how to go about getting this to be a speaking point for our BOE meeting. Are there laws that prevent this? or is it the schools worry about the law suits therefore will not ascertain if it is/not workable.

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. . of those who are disrupting the regular classroom is WHAT IS GOING ON FOR THEM IN THE ALTERNATIVE LOCATION THAT WILL IMPROVE THEIR BEHAVIOR/PROGRESS? Too often in the past (and sometimes in the present) your poorest performing teachers were saddled with these students. If the child is to remain in the public school system, the parents must agree to counseling/training - and the BOE must be committed to putting knowledgeable teachers in these classrooms who have a record of fostering change in behavior of poor performing/disruptive students. I am not sure about the schools in Georgia - but a child can be excluded from a public school education due to disruptive behavior. It would be interesting to research this. Districts may also offer different alternatives. Years ago in Los Angeles, there were schools for students who were 'disruptive'. Jacob Riis was the boys high school. It was amazing to see how many contributing citizens were 'graduates' of Jaocob Riis High School! It was a no-nonsense school. . . . but it did the job!

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just receive ISS (In School Suspension) which has no consequences for the parents. The parents are not inconvenienced not forced to take time from work to keep their kid at home.

Charter Schools sound like the way to go.

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They have to give all those extra Football coaches something to do!

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I am not sure about the schools in Georgia - but a child can be excluded from a public school education due to disruptive behavior. It would be interesting to research this. Districts may also offer different alternatives.

Of course we need to do what we can for these kids once they are separated from the rest. And I believe that if done properly they too can receive a better education than if left in a classroom that could be too much for them to handle, where they could become frustrated. Education is not a one size fits all environment. This also applies to kids that are good kids but just need additional help. Move them to a class that moves at a slower pace where they can keep up.

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Too often in the past (and sometimes in the present) your poorest performing teachers were saddled with these students.

If judged by todays standards (Standardized testing) any teacher with these kids will be seen as poor teachers. These teachers will need to judged on a different scale.

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This is a very controversial issue - teacher evaluation. Some districts/states have a evaluation process that is dependent on ONE classroom observation. Totally unreasonable. Some districts are using on-site 'coaches ' who work with teachers to improve and implement sound classroom practices - and their findings are part of the evaluation process. Most districts have clear standards that they expect their teachers to adhere to. Test scores should not be the prime evaluation tool - but at least one years growth for one years education should be mandatory. Growth should be measured in several areas. Too complicated to go into here. Poorly trained teachers are not going to become outstanding classroom teachers. We need to evaluate teacher training!

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The traditional role of the teacher standing in front of a classroom leading students in passive learning should be tossed out with yesterday's garbage! Most students are able to learn on their own given the proper environment, materials, and resources. We should take advantage of all of the technology we has a society has at our disposal to whittle down basic education to video/interactive/hands-on modules that can be accessed by various devices, including computer, iPad, etc. These modules can be adjusted to fit the various learning styles of students. What is needed are educators/facilitators that are trained to recognize when students are not understanding on their own and direct them to remedial modules and following up on their progress. In Korea or China maybe, there are superstar teachers that have tens of thousands of students around the country that follow their video lessons. They make tons of money--just like NBA superstar players!

Now, for the bottom 20% of students and special needs students, their education will require a more labor intensive approach to get them up to speed. This is where the traditional hands-on education approach comes into play.

By adopting this system, we could vastly improve the efficiency AND effectiveness of our education system and reduce the number of retired teachers on the public dole!

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The traditional role of the teacher standing in front of a classroom leading students in passive learning should be tossed out with yesterday's garbage!

Gold Star, Academy Award, and whatever else designates OUTSTANDING ! Teachers are not obsolete - but antiquated teaching methods are obsolete! Thanks for sharing.

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DM and the Pedagogical Imperative!

Do you NOT think the upper 50% students could be taught better and more efficiently using video/interactive/computer-based modules? This would allow many students around the nation, and world even, to be taught by only a handful of teachers. In turn, more traditional teachers could be allocated to the bottom 20-40% that have little if any hope of climbing up the educational latter on their own. Look forward DM not backward! Star Trek-based learning is the way to go! We need to give kids the same level of educational opportunity that Spock got on Vulcan!

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