Republican standards

194 replies [Last post]
lion
lion's picture
Offline
Joined: 12/16/2005

Correct me if I am wrong but one of the Republican standard for a candidate for President of the United States seems to be:

Alleged adultery by a African-American candidate should make him drop out of the race.

Actual adultery by a white Republican candidate sends him to the top of the GOP polls.

Interesting.

Joe Kawfi
Joe Kawfi's picture
Offline
Joined: 07/20/2009
lion

So, lion. Some whacko-lefty (probably bankrolled by George Soros) who is financially troubled, twice-divorced, an unemployed single mother, who has claimed sexual harassment in the past, declared bankruptcy once, was accused of stalking and had a libel judgment entered against her just this year. So far in 2011, this whack-job has had nine liens put on her property. She is a perfect example of the type of person that makes up Obama's "base". This crap has all the earmarks of a typical racist Liberal hit-job. The racist libs can't stand to see a successful black man that made it on his own hold public office as a Republican. They want to keep all blacks on the liberal plantation. Liberals step on black conservatives early and often because they can't have black children thinking, "Hmmm, the Republicans have some good ideas; maybe I'm a Republican." Here are the basic steps that the racist liberal bedwetters use to bring down blacks in the Republican party:
#1- Spend 30 years telling blacks that Republicans are racist and viciously attacking all black Republicans.
#2- Laugh maliciously at Republicans for not having more blacks in their party.
Liberals are determined to make sure that, six months from now, everyone has forgotten Herman Cain so they can go back to claiming Republicans oppose Obama because they hate blacks.

Davids mom
Davids mom's picture
Offline
Joined: 10/30/2005
Hit job?

Poor Mr. Cain. There are those that feel he is the victim of the ' hateful liberal left' and those who feel that because the Republican Party base will not support a 'Black' man for President, the Roves, Kochs, and others are doing what they can to stop his soaring popularity. I wonder how historians will treat this election?

Locke
Locke's picture
Offline
Joined: 05/14/2007
George Soros did it?

The woman is a Republican businesswoman hardly Obama's base; and what did those dastardly liberal bedwetting racists do anyway? Recruit her for Cain's harem 13 years ago? It's hard not to laugh maliciously after reading such a silly post.

Sounds like you got Hermanated on Joe.

kevink
kevink's picture
Offline
Joined: 01/07/2011
I love watching Jokeawfi's cranium explode :-). He's got nutthn

Joe, this woman is a horrible, terrible, despicable human being..... that's why Herman "Our blacks are better than their blacks" Cain called and texted her at 4am; over 60 times in two months; completely un disclosed to his wife. That's why Herman "Stupid people are ruining America" helped her pay bills for 13 years; and never informed his wife. She was such a terrible liberal bedwetter that Herman "Blame yourself" Cain calls her a "friend of 13 years;" though he never thought, over a 13 year period, to let his wife know about that friend. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY use to be a false trademark of *conservatives. You helped them drop that false advertisement Joe. Any shortcomings of the party of Newt and Herman can simply be blamed on "liberals." We made Newt cheat a few times and steal money. We forced Herman to pay a "friend's" bills. Funny stuff!

As for racism in today's Republican world,last week Gulnare Free Will Baptist Church of Kentuky barred interracial couples from all church activities with the exception of funerals. Do you think this all-white church is voting for Obama in 2012 Jokeawfi?

kcchiefandy
kcchiefandy's picture
Offline
Joined: 09/18/2009
Oh, Lion...

...sorry that they didn't sire a child and lie about it like the candidate-POS John Edwards, oh, all while his wife was battling cancer. Or maybe they should get into office after they use their gubenitorial powers to use State Troopers to usher their whores around, then commit adultry, lie about it, and embarass the Nation while acting as the POTUS.

I can't believe you'd be so stupid to lob this stink bomb on this site.

T-Man
T-Man's picture
Offline
Joined: 02/16/2006
KCcheif

John Edwards will not be our next Pres. The possible candidates in the current cycle are the subject of Lions conversation. Don't distract from our current problem, which is similar to what the Dems did during the second election for the last Bush. Put a body in front of America that is worst than what we currently had. Here we go again. All for the Party.

kcchiefandy
kcchiefandy's picture
Offline
Joined: 09/18/2009
More to the point, T-man...

...is Clinton WAS a candidate and our president and CONTINUED to do these things. Collectively, what the HE** is wrong with these guys?!? Do they think their skeletons will stay in the closet during a national election?! Politicians...sigh...

T-Man
T-Man's picture
Offline
Joined: 02/16/2006
Agree KC

It appears as they rise in power there head swells. Unfortunatly the wrong one. LOL

kevink
kevink's picture
Offline
Joined: 01/07/2011
KchifAndy. I understand the frustration of Republicans.

You want and need a candidate with a moral compass. You have men behaving badly at the top of your party's ticket right now. But this is a byproduct of your party's attempt to co-opt Jesus and morals. The constant attempt of Republican candidates to throw "contract with America" rhetoric out there makes their falls so much farther than a liberal secularist's. And, BTW, y'all have Huntsman, but your party would rather support a heathen than an ambassador under President Obama.

On your second comment, referencing the hubris of these politicians of all political stripes, I could not agree with you more! How do they not think their past will catch up? How do they do the "I found Jesus yesterday so forgive my long history of malfeasance" dance? Amazing egos these guys have; Clinton, Jessee Jackson, John Edwards, Newt, Herman, etc., etc., etc.........

kcchiefandy
kcchiefandy's picture
Offline
Joined: 09/18/2009
That's why, Kev...

...Romney will, as I've said, probably secure the nomination. Comparatively, he's been steady and on message about replacing the current administration. Certainly a flip-flopper, as they all are at one time or another as it suits their plans (current POTUS included!), but probably the country's best hope as it stands now.

kevink
kevink's picture
Offline
Joined: 01/07/2011
KChifAndy, I asked you a question two weeks ago.

Name ONE major issue Mitt Romney has not done a 180 degree turn on. Just one.

I'll answer that question for my own candidate:

Obama has ALWAYS supported combat troops leaving Iraq.

Obama has ALWAYS opposed the "pre-emptive war" in Iraq.

He has ALWAYS supported civil unions, the repeal of DODT, collective bargaining, health care reform, equal pay for women, a progressive tax.

Just give me ONE major issue Mitt "best hope" Romney has ALWAYS believed.

I do commend him for not trading in his wife and kids.

kcchiefandy
kcchiefandy's picture
Offline
Joined: 09/18/2009
Kev,...

...fiscal responsibility of the government. And just about everything you listed I'm against, at least to the point of over-intrusion by the Federal gov't. Gotta head out now, but will be back tonight.

kevink
kevink's picture
Offline
Joined: 01/07/2011
Be safe KcChief. Have a great weekend!

The drivers around me seem to be getting worse! Or maybe I'm just getting better and they seem worse. At any rate, Keep an eye and be careful out there.........man! This dude just cut me off! Need to stop blogging for a minute to throw him a "gesture!"

Cheers!

(joking by the way)

ps: YOU hava a core values system within you. I was asking YOU if MITT does? Of course, I already know the answer.

Davids mom
Davids mom's picture
Offline
Joined: 10/30/2005
Kc

Please correct my misunderstanding of your response to Kevin:

Quote:

just about everything you listed I'm against

1. You're against our troops leaving Iraq?

2. You supported the 'Pre-emptive war' in Iraq?

3. You are against civil unions ?

4. You are against the repeal of DADT?

5. You are against collective bargaining?

6. You are against health care reform?

7. You are against equal pay for women?

8. You are against a progressive tax?

Thanks for the clarification.

kcchiefandy
kcchiefandy's picture
Offline
Joined: 09/18/2009
DM...

1. Yes; until the job is done, but we've left countries hanging before
2. Yes; Saddam admitted he would have never stopped trying to get/build a nuclear bomb, among other weapons (as he had used chemical agents before)
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. Not wholly; depends on the union and the demands
6. No, just much of the current law
7. No, just against the gov't getting involved
8. Flat tax fan here.

Davids mom
Davids mom's picture
Offline
Joined: 10/30/2005
KC

Thanks for the clarification. Not even worth asking for specificity for 5,6,7. Why should we be able to clarify what our politicians are afraid to touch? Oh well.

G35 Dude
G35 Dude's picture
Offline
Joined: 02/15/2006
Lion so what?

Wow. Do you really believe this?

Quote:

Alleged adultery by a African-American candidate should make him drop out of the race.

Speaking just for myself I'm not so sure that Mr Cain (Yes, I'll name these folks instead of hiding in the shadows) is guilty of these charges. Anybody that was treated improperly by him (or anyone) and waits years to speak out until they can profit in some way from it will always be suspect in my mind. I also think that when a candidate that is not Dem, GOP, and/or media approved rises to the top he will under go attacks of all kinds whether they are true or not. BTW, I don't think this has anything to do with his skin color it's just that he's an outsider. And the sad part is the sheeple that don't think for themselves will eat up the bull that is fed to them without thinking.

Quote:

Actual adultery by a white Republican candidate sends him to the top of the GOP polls.

Have you watched the debates? And you think that the reason that Newt has risen in the polls is because he is accused of adultery? Wow, once again the sheeple take the low road without doing any real research.

lion
lion's picture
Offline
Joined: 12/16/2005
Newt, Cain, and values

Perhaps I could have left race out of my initial post about Gingrich and Cain . But to deny that race is not an element in the modern, Southern based GOP is naive.

My main point is that the GOP which for the past 20 years or so has sold itself to the Christian Right and American Conservatives that it is the party of family values and character now shows itself as having no values at all.

If Newt has a chance to defeat President Obama, then the GOP true believers are willing to overlook his two periods of adultery which they would never overlook for a Democratic candidate.

If you are a Republican and now can support Newt, you are a hypocrite. Just admit it and we can go on.

Mike King
Mike King's picture
Offline
Joined: 11/29/2006
Hey, lion....

...I'll admit to being a hypocrite while supporting Speaker Gingrich if you admit to being delusional by believing President Obama has been a success in improving the quality of life of average Americans. Certainly, your economic outlook is much better today than it was four years ago, now isn't it?

Gort
Gort's picture
Offline
Joined: 07/28/2009
Mike King, I don’t think Lion is going to accept your offer.

My guess is the first half of your offer is quite acceptable but, (like most offers from the GOP,) it includes a poison pill that makes agreement impossible. 8 - )

On the serious side, why exactly do you support Speaker Gingrich for President over the other active GOP candidates?

JeffC
JeffC's picture
Offline
Joined: 04/21/2006
Who else Gort?

Santorum is not really in consideration, his campaign is all froth and no substance (sorry about that). Bachmann will be out after Iowa because she'll have no money and who cares about Bachmann anyway? She was never in real consideration. Ron Paul is still Ron Paul and thus will be treated as a fringe candidate (fringe? among this group?). Perry became a joke, the most difficult political position to recover from. Cain was destroyed by the left-wing media and the Democrats because they were so upset that a successful black man was escaping the liberal plantation to serve as a shining example a conservative Republicanism that they forced him into sexual harassment situations and a 13 year affair and made him forget everything he ever knew about Libya. It can't be Mitt. After all, that's the whole point now isn't it; that it can't be Mitt? Huntsman is another Mormon so he's considered Mitt lite.

That leaves Newt.

What's going to be interesting is that now there's going to be an anybody-but-Newt coalition to try to slow him down. Since the anti-Newt can't be Romney because Newt was the anti-Romney and they won't flip that flop, it can only be Huntsman or possibly a resurrected Perry. Either drawing strength from Newt would then re-boost Mitt! It's going to last for months!

I can hardly wait for it to start.

Gort
Gort's picture
Offline
Joined: 07/28/2009
Jeff_C, if someone is putting together an anti-Newt coalition

it would be Romney and he probably has the money and supporters to do it and of course Newt will eventually help them.

Huntsman may get a lift in New Hampshire but your right, we have too much religious intolerance in our politics these days and that will work against him. (Mitt lite! Stop it your killing me!)

It will take all the Kings horses and all the Kings men to put Perry’s campaign back together again. His supporters had a lot of hope when he got in the race and he really let them down in the debates.

I might have to eat my words later but right now I’m sticking with Romney as the GOP nominee.

carbonunit52
carbonunit52's picture
Offline
Joined: 03/05/2008
Republican standards indeed
Quote:

I can hardly wait for it to start.

To paraphrase Rodney Dangerfield: "I went to a cage fighting match and a Republican presidential primary broke out". I can't help but think that the Obama camp has to be relieved to see the Republicans doing most of the heavy lifting. Heck, it is not hard to imagine Obama running unopposed.

Davids mom
Davids mom's picture
Offline
Joined: 10/30/2005
Politics - stay a target out of range
Quote:

Cain was destroyed by the left-wing media and the Democrats because they were so upset that a successful black man was escaping the liberal plantation to serve as a shining example a conservative Republicanism that they forced him into sexual harassment situations and a 13 year affair and made him forget everything he ever knew about Libya.

My sides hurt from laughing! Until it was pointed out to me that there are those who believe this!. In politics, you never know where the knife in the back comes from until it hurts.

JeffC
JeffC's picture
Offline
Joined: 04/21/2006
It's gospel DM

Newt Gingrich is the front runner for the Republican nominee for President and he just made an obligatory stop in NY to kiss the ring of Donald Trump because Trump has now become some kind of kingmaker in the Republican Party.

It only seems like an alternate universe.

Robert W. Morgan
Robert W. Morgan's picture
Offline
Joined: 10/26/2005
This is a bad movie/alternative universe, el Jeffe

Newt ain't gonna be President. Of course if he is the nominee, BO wins. Hope not, but them are da facts.

Romney/Rubio wins by 10 points is my best guess. Hey - R&R. They can do an R&R poster showing John Kerry driving his Swift Boat to Da Bin.

Of course last election 1 year out we were fantasing about Guliani and Clinton, so who really knows?

ptctaxpayer
ptctaxpayer's picture
Offline
Joined: 11/23/2005
Agree with Dead Guy--- Newt loses

Agree with Dead Guy--- Newt loses but Romney wins. We gotta dump the HealthCare crap before it becomes entrenched the way Social Security is.

G35 Dude
G35 Dude's picture
Offline
Joined: 02/15/2006
RWM & PTCtaxpayer-Newt as per Hilary and Health Care crap.

Newt is by far the smartest and most capable candidate running. But I don't trust him based on his past. Still having said that if he were to get the GOP nomination I think he'd have a very good chance to win. Hilary Clinton herself is quoted as saying "Newt is the smartest man in Washington. NEVER underestimate him."

Quote:

Newt loses but Romney wins. We gotta dump the HealthCare crap before it becomes entrenched the way Social Security is.

Didn't Romney come up with this socialized medicine before Obama? This is the guy that you think will stop this health care crap as you put it?

Gort
Gort's picture
Offline
Joined: 07/28/2009
D_Mom, Jeff C, Mitt Romney declines

the Trump/Gingrich GOP reality show debate. Do you think Romney has enough time, from now until then, to flip-flop?

The fact that Newt Gingrich is the GOP frontrunner just shows you how rotten the core of the GOP has become.

Newt was on the TV last night telling us he was going to lay off union janitors and give their jobs to poor children.

Hey TeaParty guys! Don’t look now but it sounds like Newt has started working on that Right Wing Social Engineering agenda. Of course it may be necessary to grow the government a little.

You may have to create the US Department of Child Labor! 8 - )

Davids mom
Davids mom's picture
Offline
Joined: 10/30/2005
Union Janitors vs Poor Children

Many years ago I looked at the test that 'janitors' who work in public schools in Los Angeles have to pass. A poor child would have to know correct measurement; the chemicals in cleaning agents; proper techniques to clean a student restroom in under seven minutes; proper technique to clean an average size classroom in five to eight minutes; how to fill out a time/payroll card; etc., etc., etc. There were also questions regarding what to do in case of emergency or recognizing a potentially dangerous situation. When supervising a school staff, I expected every adult on campus to be able to share with and guide a student. To belittle janitors, who are so important to our health in the work environment, is not what I expect from a knowledgeable leader, let alone a POTUS.

Gort
Gort's picture
Offline
Joined: 07/28/2009
D_Mom, maybe the janitor at Newt’s country club

will take offence and put a tack on his chair whenever Newt visits! 8 - )

kcchiefandy
kcchiefandy's picture
Offline
Joined: 09/18/2009
Might not hurt, Gort...

...anything to get them away from their XBoxes and PS3s! Of course, that'd end up being a path to citizenship for illegal alien children - maybe not such a bad idea!

Gort
Gort's picture
Offline
Joined: 07/28/2009
KC Andy, it might not hurt? Tell that to the union janitors

and their families! It sounds to me like you want the government in the business of picking the winners and losers? Wasn’t “Work Study” one of those “Great Society” programs the GOP is supposed to hate?

Besides the cult that has come to be known as the GOP has been telling me for years that government can’t create jobs! When did they flip flop on that? 8 - )

kcchiefandy
kcchiefandy's picture
Offline
Joined: 09/18/2009
So literal, Gort...

...I mean generally having programs for pre-adults to get some work experience, not learning how the welfare gambit is worked... You know, kind of a mini-WPA that gets kids outside & active, while also learning work habits (the military had a short-lived program of sorts like this, but it was for HS Srs. & college kids of service members, for 2-4 wks at a time; funding was cut, though).

Gort
Gort's picture
Offline
Joined: 07/28/2009
KC Andy, I don’t object to teaching pre-adults responsibility

however when it’s prefaced with dismissing union janitors first, well I’m just a little suspicious of the sincerity of the offer.

From my own personal experience, (we raised and launched two of our own children,) I learned that its not only poor kids that don’t know what it’s like to go out everyday and earn a living. It can happen in any family!

8 - )

MYTMITE
MYTMITE's picture
Offline
Joined: 02/14/2008
Those "poor" children should strive to become politicians then

they won't ever have to work.

Joe Kawfi
Joe Kawfi's picture
Offline
Joined: 07/20/2009
It's so much fun -

to watch the bedwetting liberals a-flippin' and a-flailin' trying to figure out their next move. Meanwhile, Obama is going to do the country a favor and go on vacation for 17 days. Well, at least he can't do any damage to the country.

It's a foregone conclusion that Obama will be voted out next year. His speech today that touted the benefits of Socialism for America sealed the deal.

carbonunit52
carbonunit52's picture
Offline
Joined: 03/05/2008
Joe Kawfi, the dude who

crosses his eyes and dopes for the rest.

kevink
kevink's picture
Offline
Joined: 01/07/2011
Hey Carbon. Where ya think his Cain avatar went?

Seems to me he still has some cheating to do to catch up with Newt.

Joe Kawfi
Joe Kawfi's picture
Offline
Joined: 07/20/2009
Hack

Cain's no longer a candidate now, is he? You're such a clueeless little dips**t now, aren't you? I would rather have Cain as president than the Barry the bumbler who was reared in a Marxist, racist, America hating church.

carbonunit52
carbonunit52's picture
Offline
Joined: 03/05/2008
Kevin, I believe Joe's Cain avatar

is causing some discomfort where he had to store it, particularly when he sits down at the computer. How his face must hurt when he is in the Joe Kawfi character!

Gort
Gort's picture
Offline
Joined: 07/28/2009
Hey Joe! If “flippin' and a-flailin'” was a sport,

the cast of characters the GOP is running for President would make the Olympic Team.

I missed the Presidents speech yesterday and only got to see bits and pieces of it on TV. I was a little disappointed President Obama didn’t mention the terrible menace that union janitors pose to the Republic. 8 - )

kevink
kevink's picture
Offline
Joined: 01/07/2011
Gort: Morning Joe had a killer video from 2004.

Mitt "destroy records as governor" Romney railing against John Kerry flip flops. Mitt said a man needs to stand for something. I suspect we will all see this video many times in the future.

NUK_1
NUK_1's picture
Offline
Joined: 12/17/2007
kevink: Yeah, the Repub field is pretty bad

Pathetic actually. The problem is that Obama has very little to run on except "I'm better than...." and has a pretty poor record as President. Seriously, Obama's record and the mediocre quality of Repub candidates are about even, which is why the 2012 election is likely going to be a very close.

If Huntsman were to suddenly get all the media attention, I think he could beat Obama fairly easily. I'm not too sure that Romney couldn't beat him either. Newt? GAG, and no, he ain't beating anybody and he shouldn't. He's every bit of the problem and not part of any solution.

What's amazing to me is that in 2011 you can go to a bunch of debates and after the very first question asked you launch into a diatribe about what a stupid question the obvious idiot moderator posed and be heralded as some kind of "great debater."

kevink
kevink's picture
Offline
Joined: 01/07/2011
Nuk. You could not be wronger :-)

What's the gripe repubs have with Obama? His policies have not fixed the economy they wrecked. But hold the presses. We're still tasting the fruits of GOP economic policy. The only votes repubs have cast in the affirmative have been to continue their tax policies. Obama will use their stated goal to defeat him as a blunt weapon against them. They have not focused on solutions; just political victory at all costs. The President's foreign policy is solid. He has successes to run on. Gingrich doesn't. Mitt doesn't. And Mitt and Newt have serious character flaws which allow them to contradict themselves via plentiful flip flops . With respect to health care reform, republicans are going to try to bring back exclusions to coverage due to preconditions as they kick 25 year old college students off of their parents policies. In the words of GWB: Bring it on ;-)

Gort
Gort's picture
Offline
Joined: 07/28/2009
Kevink, sorry to say I missed it.

I hope I can catch the reruns!

kcchiefandy
kcchiefandy's picture
Offline
Joined: 09/18/2009
Gort, you didn't miss anything...

...it was just more campaigning & political tripe, using a historic location for the show. The downside was there are no really nice golf courses near Osawatamie; of course there's Prairie Highlands in Olathe - that's only a 1/2 hr drive and is nice for the KC metro area. Well, it was on the way to Hawaii, anyway...

AtHomeGym
AtHomeGym's picture
Offline
Joined: 01/18/2007
KC Andy & Location

Lemme see now, would that have been in Kansas....or maybe Texas?

kcchiefandy
kcchiefandy's picture
Offline
Joined: 09/18/2009
Good one, AHG!

It could even have been Hawaii - that's where his mind was at!! LOL!

Gort
Gort's picture
Offline
Joined: 07/28/2009
KC Andy, I can understand why you were disappointed.

President Obama’s speech came just too soon after Herman Cain’s, “I suspend my campaign,” Pokémon speech, to sway any followers of the cult that has come to be known as the GOP.

I still catch myself whistling the tune, “The Power of One,” every now and then. 8 - )

kcchiefandy
kcchiefandy's picture
Offline
Joined: 09/18/2009
You lost me, Gort...

...what is a 'Pokeman speech'? And who sang 'The Power of One'? I think there's a movie out there called that, but I don't know the song. Now, if you want political cults, research the Kennedy clowns! Or the Daley's, Obama's pimps...or maybe I should just say the 'Chicago Machine'. Did Blagovich ever get his commission check?

Gort
Gort's picture
Offline
Joined: 07/28/2009
KC Andy, if I told you, you would think I was just making it up.

Look up “Herman Cain, I suspend my campaign speech” on the web.

Jail does seem to be an occupational hazard for Illinois Governors. Perhaps George Ryan and Rod Blagojevich can be roommates and debate politics!

kcchiefandy
kcchiefandy's picture
Offline
Joined: 09/18/2009
Oh, ok, I get it now...

'To cap it all off, Cain once again quoted his favorite inspirational lines from "The Power of One," a Donna Summer song. "I believe these words came from the Pokémon movie," he said'

Too busy to pay attention to every little bit of campaign/political fodder, but thanks for the update!

JeffC
JeffC's picture
Offline
Joined: 04/21/2006
Ah kcchiefandy

The Pokemon Speech is going to be a famous trivia bit forever!

Blagovich never did get his commission check. Too bad for him. I understand he wanted to invest in some 15 year bonds which would have been just about perfect timing, all things considered.

MYTMITE
MYTMITE's picture
Offline
Joined: 02/14/2008
The perfect ticket--Gingrich as President and Trump as Vice

President, except that Washington is not big enough for both of those egos.

Robert W. Morgan
Robert W. Morgan's picture
Offline
Joined: 10/26/2005
No problem MYTIMITE

Gingrich and Trump on the same ticket would get even funny and dorky Joe Biden elected President.
Gingrich and anyone alone would get Barrack Hussein Obama re-elected.

Gingrich would certainly be a better President than any of the Republican candidates and even the last 4 actual Presidents, but he has to get elected first and that ain't gonna happen.

So, let's not do any of that. Let's go with Romney/Rubio.

kcchiefandy
kcchiefandy's picture
Offline
Joined: 09/18/2009
DM, kind of like...

...Hillary's 'Right Wing Conspiracy' against her husband some years ago! Well, it sells newspapers, I guess...! Is she doing ANYTHING right now for the US, btw? She seems pretty much a world-traveling sideshow. At least her hubby was pulling in the $$ as Corzine's 'advisor' for the IMF - nice work if you can get it. Anything to enrich the bureaucratic class...

kcchiefandy
kcchiefandy's picture
Offline
Joined: 09/18/2009
6% lead...

...for 'Any Generic Republican Candidate'; it just doesn't matter. President Romney will do just fine.

JeffC
JeffC's picture
Offline
Joined: 04/21/2006
Any Generic Republican Candidate

Well, of course. But what you have is not 'Any Generic Republican Candidate' but rather a collection of true tax believers acceptable to the Tea Party who were not vetted as to their other sometimes peculiar views until the filing deadlines passed. The nominee will be one of the candidates now running, all of whom are seriously flawed. Head to head, Obama beats them all in those same polls.

Obama is ahead now, the Rs have not yet started an 8 month primary cycle during which they will certainly focus their attacks on each other, Obama will then have three months and a billion dollars direct and probably more than another half-billion in non-aligned support.

Granted that this time last cycle it was definitely Giuliani vs Hillary illustrating how easily the future is predicted, but do you really see Obama automatically losing to any of the most likely R. challengers? I can't see one that can beat him except maybe Mitt. And I feel like I'm stretching even with Mitt.

kcchiefandy
kcchiefandy's picture
Offline
Joined: 09/18/2009
I agree, JeffC...

...President Romney it is, then. It'll be interesting to see if Obama can get anything done in his waning months while going full-force campaigning using government time, funds, and equipment, in between golf & vacations, that is...

Davids mom
Davids mom's picture
Offline
Joined: 10/30/2005
This says it all
Quote:

if Obama can get anything done in his waning months

If those who only care about stopping Obama in this do nothing congress- thousands will lose jobs possibly, payroll taxes will go up, etc.,etc., etc. But who cares, it's about party, not Americans. Americans Elect and Occupy see through the propaganda of the Republican Party - captive of the T Party.

T-Man
T-Man's picture
Offline
Joined: 02/16/2006
So True DM so True

Their eyes are on the party only when you are willing to put a candidate in office that has no stable position on anything. Mitt Back and forth Romney maybe another Bluh Bluh Bush. Why would America want to take a step back oh stupid me I forgot "for the party". We all seen what the GOP has to offer as a candidate. Can we get real here.

I have voted for Repubs and Dems in the past and will continue to do so in the future. Why can't we do the right thing and put America first.

NUK_1
NUK_1's picture
Offline
Joined: 12/17/2007
T-Man: Simple really
T-Man wrote:

Why can't we do the right thing and put America first.

Because there are two or three very divergent views of what is exactly "putting America first" and a middle ground of independents that swings from one side to the other election to election. There is a wide gap in the thinking between progressives/conservatives/libertarians of "what is best for the country" and that's not going to change any time in the distant future.

Obama wins a historic election in 2008 and two years later the Dem party suffers a real bloodbath in 2010, not only in the House but huge losses in statehouses. That's the independents swinging back and forth. It has been argued that the Founding Fathers wanted gridlock in politics and 2011 makes a pretty good case for that argument.

Both the Dems and Repubs are bought and paid for anyway by special interests and Wall Street so what do you do? People support a a person like Obama who swears up and down that he'll only take public financing and immediately does a 180 on that when he sees how much cash he can get from Wall Street, trial lawyer sleaze,and Big Pharma, and people then say big money is the problem? It's a problem when you support liars without integrity, sure. It doesn't have to be a big problem. Elect better people who actually have principles instead of the anything-to-get-elected mentality.

kcchiefandy
kcchiefandy's picture
Offline
Joined: 09/18/2009
NUK, you can't...

...enlarge the alread engorged Federal gov't unless you own it all; that $$ is needed to keep the professional bureaucrats & pols in business, and continue to crawl to the socialism desired by so many. Man needs his government to survive; only a professional core can hand down the edicts of law(s) to maintain & control us.

T-Man
T-Man's picture
Offline
Joined: 02/16/2006
NUK

No argument here. I agree with most of your post. But the question still remains as to why would we even consider the clown acts that are being put before us from the GOP? For the call of the GOP “Beat Obama”. Where is the call to make America better?

The voters need to stress compromise. Those who vote for a Maxine Waters puts their Party first and those who would consider one of the clown acts from the GOP are putting their Party first.

Obama may not be the best but is better than the rest. Hey maybe I should go into HIP HOP.

kcchiefandy
kcchiefandy's picture
Offline
Joined: 09/18/2009
We will, DM...

...just after I spend the next 17 days golfing & vacationing - again. No reason to do much else; everything is going just fine...

NUK_1
NUK_1's picture
Offline
Joined: 12/17/2007
DM: Americans Elect?

I joined Americans Elect to see what it's all about and I can't believe any left wing Dem would have any support for AE. Right now, they rate Buddy Roemer as the best match of all candidates running based on how members have answered their very unscientific and flawed survey. LOL. Obama isn't even in the top 9 candidates. You sure this is a group you want to name-drop?

The director of AE is moderate Repub Christine Todd Whitman who is a big supporter of Huntsman. While I think Huntsman would be much better than Obama or the Repub field right now, I wouldn't call Huntsman's political viewpoint as being much different from a TP group like Tea Party Express. He's a lot more fiscally conservative than any Dem out there. He doesn't care that much about social issues, which neither does the largest TP group. Oh yeah, AE dir Whitman is also publicly calling for Huntsman to run as a 3rd Party/AE candidate right now.

Davids mom
Davids mom's picture
Offline
Joined: 10/30/2005
Thanks Nuk

I joined also! (can't find out anything from outside) LOL. Obama's abilityto use the Internet changed the whole game of fundraising . The big money guys found out how to make themselves indespencible. 60-70% voters next election may turn this around - but what person of integrity would serve? Sad.

Roemer the Governor? Oh no! Ask anyone from LAUSD!

AtHomeGym
AtHomeGym's picture
Offline
Joined: 01/18/2007
Nuk & Americans Elect

Way I read it, Kahlil Byrd is Director & CEO, NOT Whitman.

Davids mom
Davids mom's picture
Offline
Joined: 10/30/2005
Americans Elect
Davids mom
Davids mom's picture
Offline
Joined: 10/30/2005
Deleted by poster

.

kcchiefandy
kcchiefandy's picture
Offline
Joined: 09/18/2009
DM...

...you seem to miss the point of the stalemate, continually. It was, and is, in 2010 a clear response to ever-continuing growth of the national debt by the Federal government. The NATION said 'STOP'! Their representatives are doing their bidding. If Obama had his way he'd just move the Chinese finance minister into the WH and give him an office, after creating the 'Department of Financial Support', complete with a staff of 30 personnel.

Did you just not post the other day boasting about the decrease in unemployment, but now THOUSANDS might lose jobs? Sounds like a WH scare tactic to me...

T-Man
T-Man's picture
Offline
Joined: 02/16/2006
KC WH is part of the blame

What about congress?

kcchiefandy
kcchiefandy's picture
Offline
Joined: 09/18/2009
T-Man, I said...

..."ever-continuing growth of the national debt by the Federal government"; yes, they are complicite as well, that's why many were replaced in 2010.

T-Man
T-Man's picture
Offline
Joined: 02/16/2006
KC cheif

The 2010 change in Congress has not produced what we expected. We need to hold them responsible as well. What have they done since they have been in office? Does it take that long for them to get to work/acclimated in their new job. By now the GOP was roasting Obama after his first year in office. Can we not have the same response with this dead Congress? If not why not?

Davids mom
Davids mom's picture
Offline
Joined: 10/30/2005
KCchiefandy

I don't miss the point - just give my opinion from my perspective. I too often see your 'perspectives' on HATE OBAMA' sites. A cut in all government programs/services IMMEDIATELY would put thousands of people out of work. If leaders could cooperate and work for the American people instead of 'party' - long term solutions could be found to get this country back on track. But the goal is BEAT OBAMA. The independents are beginning to ';see the point'. BEAT OBAMA and to he-- with the Middle Class. Gienrich's putting poor children in janitorial service - and Perry declaring that Obama is against CHristmas as he lights the WH Christmas tree is beginning to show the 'logic' of the current Republican contenders. Everyone is using some scare tactics - it's called politics. One has to wade through the crap to get a scintilla of truth.

kcchiefandy
kcchiefandy's picture
Offline
Joined: 09/18/2009
Not 'hate Obama', DM...

...more like 'hate the Democratic Executive branch focus and their congressional counterparts', at least here. What extreme, immediate cuts are you talking about? Cuts are necessary, and I for one am unaware if a reduction in 'entitlements' and such would somehow immediately cause a mass surge in unemployment. The POTUS is supporting the current automatic reductions, due to no budget agreements. Other than the specific branches, etc...that are effected (some too much), it's a good thing, IMHO.

I agree about the 'scare tactics'; they're used freely by both. It really comes down to two big issues - taxes and 'entitlements', for the most part. Seeing the glass half full, we have an outstanding opportunity to right the ship of state and tighten up government. That's going to take considerable sacrifice by a majority of the nation. Before the rant of 'but those rich & Wall Street people' begins, they, in reality, do drive most of the engines - in the larger sense - of this country. It has been in most societies, and will be in the future; let 'the people' take over and you have Cuba or the USSR. We can try to corral them with legislation, but you and I know that will devolve into who can buy them off better - us or 'them'. Summary: less gov't, more business.

Davids mom
Davids mom's picture
Offline
Joined: 10/30/2005
Executive Branch KC

According to Gallup, 76% of registered voters polled think that the majority of Congress (Legislative Branch) needs to be removed. This will indeed be an interesting election.

Mike King
Mike King's picture
Offline
Joined: 11/29/2006
Gort

The 'poison pill' being (at least to me) an admission of reality, I assume an ideological impasse.

Knowing the former Speaker to be nothing more than an opportunistic politician, I currently do not support him. I will admit to Mr Cain being quite the disappointment, but not for his lapses of judgement. Currently, I'm likely a Romney fan but beginning to favor Huntsman.

Regardless of who the Republicans nominate, the current occupant of the White House has a track record that enhances a personnel change. What say you?

Gort
Gort's picture
Offline
Joined: 07/28/2009
Mike King, when I read the offer you made

to Lion I thought you were supporting the former Speaker. If you now support Romney and interested in Huntsman, I can understand that. It’s the increased support in the polls for Newt that I don’t understand.

I share your anxiety for the future but for the opposite reason. The last GOP Presidency was such a bad experience; I don’t want to see another no matter who the GOP candidate might be. So say I.

Davids mom
Davids mom's picture
Offline
Joined: 10/30/2005
Mike King

Four years ago:
Pre-condition - no health insurance
American soldiers/still in Iraq
Higher unemployment numbers
Bin Laden still free
Too many corrupt practices on Wall Street not addressed
Etc., etc., etc

Maybe some cooperation will help the American people. Many are tired of this 'party'/ideology competition.

NUK_1
NUK_1's picture
Offline
Joined: 12/17/2007
DM: Unemployment was 4.7% 4 years ago, not higher at all

The highest unemployment ever reached during the Bush terms was 6.1% in 2008.

Davids mom
Davids mom's picture
Offline
Joined: 10/30/2005
Nuk

You're absolutely right! Thanks

Mike King
Mike King's picture
Offline
Joined: 11/29/2006
DM

Where does one begin to counter your statements? Are you actually claiming that unemployment numbers in 2007 were higher than now? Do we not have soldiers in Iraq currently? Have you tried to obtain health insurance lately? Has Wall Street experienced an epiphany that I'm unaware? Do you really believe Bin Laden was free to move about since 9/11?

Please, this does not bode well for your reputation.

Davids mom
Davids mom's picture
Offline
Joined: 10/30/2005
Mike

You seem to be unaware of a number of 'gray ' areas in the political stuff that is being put out there by the media. The unemployment numbers, Nuk corrected me with class. Health insurance? If you don't have insurance at the age of 70 - you're in trouble and headed for the emergency room for service; (those with per-conditions are most grateful as well as those college graduates who can't find a job and are still on their parents health insurance plan; were we even discussing Wall Street four years ago? Have you heard of 'Occupy'? Cheers!

kcchiefandy
kcchiefandy's picture
Offline
Joined: 09/18/2009
So, Lion...

...who was the GOP going to 'sell itself' to? The looney left that used to represent the common man, but sold out to unions, homosexuals, and government intrusion into just about everything (that's just a quick synopsis)? The moderate Democrats left the party long ago; the GOP was all they had left. Heck, Clinton won being a known adulterer, so why not Newt?

I will admit Obama does seem to be a decent, loving family man. Too bad his education left him in the care of the far left; he had such potential if his Mom had stayed in Kansas and gave him a good grounding in common sense, with his grandparents to help raise him, since his father popped smoke.

G35 Dude
G35 Dude's picture
Offline
Joined: 02/15/2006
Lion- Grow up
Quote:

If Newt has a chance to defeat President Obama, then the GOP true believers are willing to overlook his two periods of adultery which they would never overlook for a Democratic candidate.

Nor apparently will a democrat overlook the past of a Republican. I read about John Edwards, Bill Clinton et al. Yet you find ways to excuse them because they are democrats. I excuse none of them on either side for this behavior yet if I am to vote I must pick from the candidates that I'm allowed to vote for that I think will be best for this country. Billy Graham is not on the ticket last I saw. So grow up, accept the fact that none of these people are perfect yet the country is in a mess and we need a leader. Many saw JFK as a leader yet he was having an affair with Marylin Monroe and others. Some liked Clinton. We all know his story. (At least JFK had high standards) I could go on but I think you get the point. Which will it be?

MYTMITE
MYTMITE's picture
Offline
Joined: 02/14/2008
Kennedy was charismatic and he gave something to this country

that we needed at that time--what the country saw was a handsome man with a great personality, beautiful cultured wife and two adorable children. That was the persona of the whole family that was presented to the country. Back then we did not have all the technology we now have to catch everything said and done by our politicians; also the press was complicit in covering all that Kennedy was doing. His standards were not too high when one of his mistresses was also the mistress of one of the biggest gangsters in the country. He had many mistresses or 'girlfriends' and not all of them had outstanding morals and he really did little to hide it. The press starting reporting on candidates and politicians around the time of "The Monkey Business" expose'. Sometimes I think we would be better off if we did not know all about the private life of our politicians. Eisenhower had his mistress and she was with him for years as was FDR's mistress and other presidents--we just did not know all the details about them as we do now--and the women were more circumspect and not looking for the publicity that they seem to crave these days.

G35 Dude
G35 Dude's picture
Offline
Joined: 02/15/2006
MYTMITE I'm impressed again

I agree with you 100%. I think we were better off not knowing about the private lives of our leaders. Is it really any of our business anyway?

kcchiefandy
kcchiefandy's picture
Offline
Joined: 09/18/2009
Yes & no, G35...

...as acts that damage & denigrate the positions of great responsibility that our leaders hold reflect on our states & nations, and are poor examples for our children. Also, such acts - when concealed - can leave one open to blackmail & such. That's why many military & gov't officials are required to maintain clearances, complete w/ thorough backround investigations, so to remove the - very real - threat of such.

Recent Comments