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You make a good point. IMHO I just don't see an affair as being good blackmail material. You see black mail material needs to be able to destroy and cripple. An affair is just too common these days. I'd see a criminal background as being more black mail worthy. But the media doesn't bother to look into that. It just doesn't sell as well as sex.

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G35, I believe...

...this current attack on Cain IS a form of blackmail. 'We accuse in numbers, so it must be true'; DROP OUT! Probably more like coercion, but forcing a hand just the same - only more publicly. True; if he had embezzled, that would be more of a story!

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kcchiefandy- I agree

I agree. He was not approved by the right people. So he had to go. Mission accomplished.

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Fidelity

In my lifetime, I believe only one POTUS respected his marital vows - Harry Truman. President Carter was criticized for 'lusting in his heart'. I have tremendous respect for both of these leaders. When one researches historical accounts of ' media reports', there was 'scandal' written about almost everyone of our former presidents. Europe has accepted 'courtesans' (prostitutes usually associated with wealthy or prominent men). I agree, I don't feel it is any of our business. (their private lives). Has anyone researched the private life of J. Edgar Hoover? Please keep it private!!

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DMom & Fidelity

How about Nixon, Reagan, and both Bushes? Don't recall any dirt on either of them.

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Are you kidding?

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DMom, Infidelity & Recollection

No, I'm NOT kidding--I don't recall any reporting of infidelity for any of those--but if there was some, I'll bet you'll dig it up and post it!

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No I won't - cause at this point, very few people care. As a young person, I was disappointed to find out that FDR had a 'mistress'. I find that fact of little historical consequence. You have your recollections, I have mine. Have a nice day.

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Doesn't she hate to be proved wrong, she'll be calling you Mr. Charlie soon.

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Hutch, DMom & FDR

Yeah, and I don't know about the FDR thingy either--"as a young person...", well, I'm 72 and I sure as hell didnt pay any attn to any of that stuff when I was that young--during the FDR yrs.

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AHG

We're the same age. I considered myself 'young' when in my teens I read about the indiscretions of some of our leaders. I had a wonderful group of teachers in high school who encouraged us to research the newspapers and reporting during certain periods of U.S. History. The different news accounts and the different biographies of our leaders assist in understanding the different periods of our history.

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AHG and Hutch

You fine gentleman are always correct and current. It is a pleasure to read your posts. Thank you so much for your input.

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President Carter was criticized for 'lusting in his heart'.

We are all human. If we are to be disqualified for doing nothing more than lusting in our hearts, there will be no one left to run this country. LOL I have to admit that this would DQ me!!! LOL And lets not EVEN open the can worms known as J. Edgar Hoover.

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Amen to that! LOL

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Eisenhower and Kay Summersby

I find it very hard to believe.

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It made a nice 'love interest' segment to WWII history. He came home to Mamie. . .and made a fine president. As in other reports of infidelity , IMHO, it's none of our business. Allegations?

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Davids mom

Given that Mamie went with Ike to just about all of his assignments including the Philippines, I find it hard to believe that he would have an affair during the period while he was in England. His focus was on one thing only.

Did you hear anything from Valencia about those Santa Ana winds?

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I was in the LA area the Friday after Thanksgiving until Monday. My son lost power for about an hour. He says Pasadena literally looks like a hurricane hit it. Hundreds of trees down and about 40 homes red tagged .. I understand the schools were closed. Those winds really created havoc in Altadena when we lived there.

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Ah, Cy, even in the middle of war, sex rears it's head (no pun

intended). Mamie seldom let Ike out of her sight and went everywhere she could with him. Maybe the fact that Mamie wasn't there and they were in a war zone made it that much more plausible. KS became his driver and was with him constantly---the opportunites were there--and she, a British citizen gave up her citizenship to become an American and to join the WAACS, where she rose to a much highter rank than she had ever held before under the aegis of Ike.. I was quite young at the time but a voracious reader, and remember reading about them at the time---nothing salacious but even as a teen-ager I could read between the lines. Because Ike was such a war hero there were always articles being written about him. He was very much in the limelight. It was well known at the time that Mamie did not like her and even snubbed her when they were introduced. I wasn't there so can't say yea or nay but everytning points to it being true.

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It will be your decision to vote or not. We need to have persons like you who are not sheeple to participate in the voting process. You are aware of the shallowness and hypocrisy that exists - and IMHO, when at least 60% of eligible voters participate, we will get some of our power back from the Soros and Norquists'.

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DM-Thank You

I will vote. I'm just frustrated. Frustrated with politicians that blatantly lie, steal and cheat. Frustrated with people that close their eyes to one party's short comings while flaunting the others. Frustrated with a process that limits my choices to those that will play well with others after being elected. While you and I have different views you are one of the few here that I think tries to see both sides of the picture and will listen to the views of someone you disagree with. I respect that!

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Funny post G35 dude..

"Speaking just for myself I'm not so sure that Mr Cain (Yes, I'll name these folks instead of hiding in the shadows) is guilty of these charges."

"And the sad part is the sheeple that don't think for themselves will eat up the bull that is fed to them without thinking."

"once again the sheeple take the low road without doing any real research."

What a difference two weeks make :-D. Phone records stink, don't they!

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Things change and Cain let me down in several ways. There does seem to be more evidence against him now than before. Still as I already stated the reason that I jumped the Train was his lackluster performance in the debates. I don't think either party has the right to throw "moral" rocks at the other. But this is how the media guides sheeple. They look for weakness' that really have no affect on how a candidate will lead and distract with them. And it works for the majority. For example, Why are sheeple more interested in who got kicked from Dancing with the Stars than real issues? And I don't back off of my earlier statements about sheeple jumping to conclusions. Sure you can convict before all the evidence is in. And 50% of the time you'll be correct. But is it the right thing to do? And while we both know that it is unlikely, (Obama doesn't seem to be that kind of person), we both know that if Obama had been caught in an affair you'd defend him to your last breath.

You see as we get closer to the election more information about all involved will become evident. And I may change my stand based on what I learn. Only the sheeple will refuse to adjust based on new information. Cain was my choice at one time. But unlike a lot of people here, I'm not married to any of them.

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Lion, as Cain wanes and Newt gains

in the poles, isn’t it ‘just lovely’ to watch the apologist for the GOP squirm while making excuses for the actions of their candidates?

The truth is both Cain and Newt earned their reputation without any help from external sources. If that reputation stinks then both Cain and Newt have no one to blame but themselves.

BTW, Good post, I always enjoy it when someone awakens and rankles the creature of the blog known as, Joe Kawfi. 8 - )

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Gort - "without any help...

...from external sources"? What does that mean?? If someone OUTSIDE your camp discovers it, it's ok then? Btw, it's 'polls'.

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KCAndy & External Sources

Today,I heard Matt Towry, a pretty savvy guy in the political arena, say that Romney's camp is most likely the source of Herman's most recent problem.

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Source of Herman's problem is........

Herman Cain. Besides being so totally ignorant on foreign policy that he makes Palin look like a genius, he's doing interviews talking about going home in a couple of days because he needs to talk to his wife because she's upset he's been supporting another woman for many years without her knowledge. This man is severely lacking.

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No disagreement here. I was impressed by the last chapter of Hillary Clinton's book. When all was said and done, Bill was still a friend who made her laugh. What Glorua Cain communicates to her husband is nobody's business but the Cain's. I wasn't going to vote for him before this scandal - but I don't think this mess has much to do with what he can or cannot accomplish for our country.

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Cain Train Derailed?

Well I will have to admit that I have gotten off of the Cain Train myself. Not because of his personal life but mostly because of his lackluster performance in the debates.

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To me Cain comes off as...

...a CEO trying to rally the troops to get efficient and raise the profit margin on pizza sales. Like any good Republican, he makes salient points on fiscal responsibility, but just doesn't leave one feeling he should be leading the nation. But then again, we have that now...

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Kchief Andy.... You just equated Cain to Obama?

Most absurd post of the week award so says I :-D.

Which family would any sane person hold up as an example to be celebrated? The Cain's or the Obama's?

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I missed your point, Kev...

...where did I compare their families? The comparison was of two men who shouldn't be the POTUS...IMHO.

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Perhaps your statement would be more accurate, KCA,

if you said "does not leave one Republican feeling they should run this country." Many of us are quite comfortable with our Bin Laden killing Nobel Peace Prize winning family man in The White House ;-).

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KevinK & "BinLaden Killing"

Pls, stop with that! That end result was the culmination of many yrs of diligent work by members of our intelligence & security community and the simple "execute" decision by POTUS was a "no brainer." Yes, that he continued to allow them to pursue that target is commendable but required little in-depth forethought. Too bad that many don't realize it could have happened long ago,however absent the decisiveness of another POTUS, we were destined to let relentless pursuit take its course. BTW, prepare yourself for an experience that will make you forget Wilbur's!

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Yes, that he continued to allow them to pursue that target is commendable but required little in-depth forethought. Too bad that many don't realize it could have happened long ago,however absent the decisiveness of another POTUS, we were destined to let relentless pursuit take its course

Interesting. Who was the 'other' POTUS? I seem to remember that one of the causes of 9-11 was the miscommunication between our intelligence agencies. One of the accomplishments attributed to this administration has been the restructuring of our intelligence agencies. . . which led to the 'finding' of Bin Laden. Ten years is a long time - but this administration got the job done -,THROUGH COOPERATION. I think those in the intelligence agencies realize that their daily actions require well-informed forethought. . . always. Right? The buck stops at the POTUS - regardless of who sits in that chair. Leadership of the intelligence agencies and getting them to cooperate was not a 'no brainer'. It just hadn't been accomplished in the immediate past.

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DMom & "other POTUS"

Clinton. Yrs before 90/11, Osama Bin Laden (then known as "UBL" became a hi pri intelligence collection rqmt for national agencies. The Clinton admin had several opportunities to either take him into custody or eliminate him and refused. And neither the POTUS nor any other cabinet officer has complete influence over the daily activities of the intel agencies. And I'm not sure what reorganization this admin is responsible for. The Bush admin started making changes after 9/11, including invention of a National Director for Intelligence (which I never agreed with--just more bureauracy). Yes, 10 yrs is a long time, but the intel business is much like watching, waiting for a break, then acting. We had to wait for the right guy to use the wrong courier, track the courier (who we knew was connected to OBL) and then plan around that. Many people, many techniques, much patience, NOT the action of ANY single person.

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Cooperation. Wish it could be implemented in all situations in solution seeking. Maybe 9/11 wouldn't have happened under Bush's administration if the need for cooperation had been recognized earlier - just sayin'. I agree, one person cannot solve all problems - problem solving requires a cooperative team in government and any organization. It appears to many that one national party has been determined not to cooperate. Appearances can be destructive - note how non-cooperation has made this Congress the owner of one of the lowest ratings in history. Sad.

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Ditto on AHG's comment, Kev...

...and did Obama win that? I've forgotten. I think Al 'Fat Man - look how important I am; I think I'm a scientist - Gore' won it, too. Like I give a f**k what some Swedish group thinks - founded by the inventor of DYNAMITE - how peaceful!! How did Obama do at the CMAs, huh?!? ZIP! He didn't even place in the NASCAR cup race! Just a few more months and the '6 pt. leading Any Generic Republican' will hold the office... Nice try, but the Jr. senator from Illinois can take his socialist propaganda, nice family, months of vacations, umpteen rounds of golf, and go home to his organized community now and let the big boys run the country...maybe Hillary will babysit for them; she should be qualified for that...

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KC Andy, don’t look now

but you just split your Faux News and your Rush Limbaugh is showing.

Good rant though! It’s always nice to read someone that’s committed. 8 - )

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LOL, Gort...

...upon further review, that was a bit 'ranty'! Had just finished watching Baylor take down TX (as a Big 12 North fan, I root for anyone playing TX!) and was fired up! I do believe, thought, Gore's award was one of the biggest laughs of the last decade!

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KC Andy, I’ve been known to rant a bit…,

well okay, more than a bit…, okay, okay I’ve been known to rant kind of often myself. It’s just part of the show folks, nothing to get excited about! 8 - )

Al Gore. He went looking for a cause and ended up losing his bride of 42 years…, a sad story indeed.

BTW, We do have something in common, even though I no longer follow sports, I don’t root for Texas either. I always felt Texas was messing with the rest of us! 8 - )

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Hmmm. The unemployment number is down today; even with the world economy in chaos, we're still holding on; BinLaden is gone; 'some' bills are making it through Congress;troops are coming home from Iraq; the nation is being led - even with strong opposition from those who have made it clear from day one their goal was to unseat this president. Not a good message to independents. Very little has been done for the middle class - and they're going to vote next year. We'll see. The Roves, Soros, Koch's are hard at work strategizing. The only thing that will beat their plans and money are long lines of American voters taking back their country and electing leaders who refuse to sign pledges to individuals rather than living up to the pledge that they take when sworn in - to represent their constituents.

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DM: The problem is they ARE representing their constituents

Didn't the election of 2010 where the Dems got drubbed out of the House by a historic margin make it really loud and clear that SOME constituents really couldn't stand the direction the country was heading politically?
To those voters, their representatives are doing exactly what they are supposed to do and what they campaigned on in the first place.

I don't understand the bizarre obsession with the Repub comment that "we want to make Obama a one term President." That's always been the obvious truth in modern politics, and it shows every Presidential election when the opposition party runs a candidate against the President. DUH. The opposition party always wants to unseat the incumbent President and also thinks that only they know what is best for the country and the other party is a bunch of morons. How is that newsworthy? Is it because there is a black President now instead of a white guy? I don't get it at all. It's not like either party has really shown that they care about the country more than there own self-interests so what are your expectations? That "Hope and Change" would be different when it is coming from a President who also could care less about anything he said while campaigning and only cares about getting re-elected?

There's gridlock with the Dems and their entitlement/government is great constituents and the Repubs and their no tax increases and government sucks constituents. In the middle is the independents who always are the ones who decide who wins or loses the big election. In 2008, they went big for Obama. In 2010, they went huge against the Dems, totally reversing course after 2 years of getting what they voted for(or thought they were). In 2012, who knows? Maybe every incumbent has the fight for their political lives, which is going to mean the Senate goes Repub, the WH goes Repub, and the House likely stays Repub.

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To those voters, their representatives are doing exactly what they are supposed to do and what they campaigned on in the first place

You're right on with the above.

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In the middle is the independents who always are the ones who decide who wins or loses the big election.

Right again. There are many citizens who are waking up and looking at the results of the 'big turn over' and the inertia that has hit our Congress. There is an interesting 'America Elects' that is receiving quite a lot of attention. And there are those who are sick and tired of having the 'millionaires/billionaires buy our representatives. As more comes out about the 'signed' pledges; the number of millionaires in our Congress who were not millionaires when they arrived; etc., etc., etc. - we may be surprised that the House and Senate go Dem. 8.6 unemployment rate won't hurt. We'll see. Very few people here thought Obama would be elected president.. . .but as my grandson says "There he is!"

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Nuk, DMom & Election

Check out: AmericansElect.Org---a non-political movement to allow Americans to choose a President, NOT a Party! Very interesting. Started by a Black Republican who worked for a Liberal Gov in Mass.

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Back home now, DM...

...and the deficit is still growing exponentially, no spending control in place (passing the buck to future generations), Pakistan is almost an enemy nation (that hid OBL for many years), a SMALL drop in unemployment (which is probably due to seasonal hiring), the POTUS on ANOTHER vacation - this one for 17 days, housing and GNP growth hovering at zero or worse, the POTUS not involved in any budget debates/ideas. This Jr. senator needs to go back to where he came from; he is no use to the nation, as a whole. When American stood up and said 'THE CHECKBOOK IS EMPTY' 2 years ago, he should have folded his tent then. It's a hard thing for someone who throws candy to appease the masses when the candy is gone... Only a strong, conservative fiscal policy cutting spending to the bone will help; agreed - we just need to elect them and/or cajole those there to make it happen!

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Hope you had a nice day! I wasn't aware that you had insight into what the president does on his 'vacations'. I guess you have personal knowledge of the discussions he has in or out of the Oval Office. How fascinating!! You must have known about Bin Laden before the 4th estate! I just have to look at where this 'strong' conservative fiscal policy got us from 2004-2008. NOT! Cutting spending, adding revenue is necessary to balance any budget. Cutting spending to the bone will be the ruination of this country. Electing those who want to work for all of the citizens of this country instead of keeping a pledge to a wealthy man who paid for their re-election will help. Your 'language' is colorful and entertaining.

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Well, yes, DM...

...it had been known for many years the general area where OBL was hiding, just not the specific location, thanks to Pakistanis providing cover & concealment for him. '04-'08 we were at the height of 2 wars; those are expensive (not starting a debate whether they should have been or not; they were voted on & approved by Congress, period). Why will cutting spending to the bone ruin this country? Will people be required to rely on themselves rather than the government? Obviously I'm not advocating the cessation of ALL gov't programs & agencies, just many of them. 'Work for all citizens'! What a joke! 'Work for ME, let ME provide for you, give ME your $ and I'll make the gov't take care of you,'; that's about all I hear coming from the WH. Obama emits a strong odor of condescension, the type of which should be locked behind the doors of academia, where he belongs, IMHO.

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Have a great Sunday. You are sounding more and more like a politician !! LOL. Nice sound bites, no specificity. I hope that there is someone in Congress and/or the White House that is taking advantage of our slow but progressing recovery.

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You too, DM...

...we'll get back on track about a year from now! All the specififity needed is a pen & a vote! This great nation will always recover if left to the people to make it happen and limit the scope of government intrusion! God Bless America - have a great day!

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D_Mom, Herman Cain used to be

the darling of the local TeaParty folks but it looks like they turned on him and asking Newt to become their savior.

Do you think Newt is starting to look too much like Ted Kennedy to win the GOP nomination?

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Newt/Kennedy - interesting comparison. Listening / reading comments from other parts of our country, I think Romney will get the support of the Republicans. The T Party and spineless members of the Democratic Party are getting the blame for Congressional inaction. His ( Cain's) other brothers, the Koch brothers have turned on Cain big time. Politics is a far different environment from Godfathers pizza. Cain was naive to think that his 13 year friendship would not be used against him as he got closer to the nomination by the Republican Party. The big money makes winners and losers. Americans need to VOTE.

Another thought. I have no idea what the Cain family will decide today - but Cain, the church-going , articulate conservative, and 'solid' family man has had his image seriously tarnished by his 'friendship ' with an apparent 'courtesan' . He__ his family deserved better - I don't care how much success the father has accomplished. His single digit place should make the decision easy - UNLESS his family accepts the 13 year friendship as an innocent mistake. Good lord, what has happened to the nation of family values?

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D_Mom, if Herman Cain can manage his affairs at home

I think he will continue to run for President for a while anyway. Even if Cain’s political donors dry up Herman can keep the campaign on life support until the government matching campaign funds kick in and bail’s him out!

You asked, ",... what ever happened to family values?"

Read Joe Kawfi's post on this blog. Now that's the best example of family values if I ever saw. Charles Manson Family that is! 8 - )

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Whew - he put family first. These accusations are enough to destroy a family when suffered privately - to have all of this discussion about your private business in public (like a side show) is tough. But if you think the muckraking is over - just wait. More 'crap' to follow - but Cain won't be the topic! Sad politics.

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DM-Why would anyone want to be POTUS?

You are so right. My daughter and I were talking about why good people won't run for public office. I pointed out to her that just to run for POTUS one must put his life and his families life under a microscope for all to throw rocks at. If he should win he must then attempt to do a job that is probably the most stressful in the world and will take away all privacy for the rest of his life. Not to mention he'll become the target of assassins. For this he will make $400K a year. I worked for a company for 31 years before I retired. The year I left the CEO of said company was paid $16 MILLION!!! Now you tell me which choice would you make? POTUS or CEO of a major Corp.? At least Kevin will be happy about this!! LOL

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Oh - a lot of people are happy about Cain's action today - including members of the Republican Party! LOL. Cain was an example of a 'black' man who had a very different ideology that the public ascribes to the 'black' community. My family and I often discuss how Obama is still standing after all of the crap that has been thrown at him. I'm sure that the investigative 'journalists' are working hard at trying to find something to allege about Obama and whoever the Republican candidate turns out to be. IN THE MEANTIME, how about the economy, the unemployed, those talking about changing the status of women, minorities, etc.? When are we going to discuss who we are and what we stand for? Well, I guess when we have the Republican candidate, we'll start discussing issues that affect our lives. (Hopefully not the private lives of the candidates and their families)

$16 Million!! Why aren't more people looking at this gap?????? Is the CEO more valuable than our president? I know, I know, community service is just that - service. . . .not for profit. Hmmmmm. Hopefully some journalist will ask that question. WHY DO YOU WANT TO BE POTUS? I'll listen very carefully to the answer. LOL!

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G35 Dude, D'sMom---

Time after time we see it happen with our politiciansin both parties. Why do any of these candidates think that anything they have ever done in their lives will never surface. When we have people saving phone calls, texts, phone and bank records and only the good Lord know what else, why does anyone ever think this information will never surface? I know when they are questioned by their handlers they are asked if anything can come out to bite them in the posterior--and evidently they all say no. Then when that damning information surfaces they swear it is not true, then they vacillate a little--memories fade and come back-but they continue to deny. I really think the American public would prefer that they be honest and come out immediately and say "Yes, I did it--it was wrong-I should not have done it and when it was found out I should not have denied it but I did not want to hurt my family." We would then be able to say that they may have been a cheating husband or a dog but 'hey, he manned up and took responsibility for his actions'. I think the posturing and denial is what always does them in. I, like all the rest of the country, have no idea just what happened between Cain and this or any woman---but denial always makes it seem worse. Sad for the families and sad for our country.

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Time after time we see it happen with our politicians in both parties. Why do any of these candidates think that anything they have ever done in their lives will never surface. When we have people saving phone calls, texts, phone and bank records and only the good Lord know what else, why does anyone ever think this information will never surface?

Reminds me of a letter that went to Dear Abby.

"Dear Abby,
"I have always wanted to have my family history traced, but I can't afford to spend a lot of money to do it. Any suggestions?"
- - - Sam in California

"DEAR SAM:
"Run for public office.
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MYTMITE & "DENIAL"

You say that "posturing & denial is what always does them in"--but wait--what if he really IS innocent? What would you expect him to say? Is this a
"damned if you do/damned if you don't" situation?

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AHG, in most cases, there is some evidence--remember the blue

dress? the texts to Ms. White? the cute little baby who was the image of John Edwards? When they are so sure they will not be found out and say there is no evidence---well, when someone produces that evidence it means that not only did they commit the act, they are a liar to boot. I really cannot remember one politician that was accused of infidelity that turned out to be innocent--no blazing trail left behind--no pics, no 60 messages or texts, no copies of checks, no smoldering love letters. Maybe you can remember an instance of the accused being 'exonerated' by the lack of evidence--if so please refresh my memory--right now I need any little thing to make me think there is at least one honorable person among our politicians. I am not referring to those who have never been accused--I know there are those--some of them may be lily white through and through or, then again, they may be smarter than the rest or lucky enough to have never been found out.

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If you are innocent or smart enough not to leave a trail, for

the most part you are home free. The problem as I have said before is that most are not innocent and are either too arrogant or too self-absorbed to feel they will ever be found out. Remember, the blue stained dress, the new born replica of John Edwards to name just two. While the boys are playing they forget about the love notes, the texts, the phone records, and cancelled checks; or they imagine themselves too smart to be caught and never stop to think that their female friend is not as enamored of them as they are of themselves. As for Cain, come on now, if you are being a good guy and helping someone financially (for 13 years!) why would this never come up in conversation with the woman you have been married to for over 40 years? Add to the picture that this person is a female--and it is never mentioned? I think Herman has a lot of 'splainin to do on that trip home.

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G35 Dude, money is probably not the primary motivating

factor why most people want to become POTUS. It’s probably something different for each person that runs.

When I say money, I'm talking about the 400k salary only.

Did you want to be the CEO of the company you worked for?

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Did you want to be the CEO of the company you worked for?

Yes, but only for one year. Then I'd take my 16 million and my golden parachute and buy me an island to retire on. *LOL*

I think that money is a huge motivating factor for most politicians. But not the money that we call a salary. The money that they can collect by wielding influence for others. It may even exceed the 16 million we're discussing. But then I think most politicians are crooks. Why would an honest man want to serve for 400k when he could make 16 million? The only real answer is he loves power, he's a crook, or he feels that he owes his country something. The last group is probably less than 5%. And those are the ones that get run out of politics by the other politicians. That is just my cynical opinion. LOL

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G35 Dude, I don’t think you would have much luck if you told

the Board of Directors the reason you wanted the job as CEO was to collect the 16 million dollar salary, strap on your golden parachute after a year, and leave the company for some island.

That sounds a lot like my plan to win the lottery but I hardly ever buy a ticket! My plan ain’t working for me either. 8 - )

Sorry to hear that you think most politicians are crooks. That is pretty cynical and must leave you with a feeling of despair.

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Gort- Congressional Crime Rate
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Sorry to hear that you think most politicians are crooks. That is pretty cynical and must leave you with a feeling of despair.

http://harpers.org/archive/2007/09/hbc-90001300

Above is a link to a Harpers Magazine article comparing Congress crime rate to the crime rates of some of America's worst cities. I think it was written in 2007 so I don't think the data will have changed that much.

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G35 Dude, I don’t think you would have much luck if you told
the Board of Directors the reason you wanted the job as CEO was to collect the 16 million dollar salary, strap on your golden parachute after a year, and leave the company for some island.

But do you really think that's why I didn't get the job? LOL

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G35 Dude, you have to take into consideration

the GOP controlled both the House and Senate during the period of the report. According to the report this was the score:

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…, total number of positively identified Congressional rogues up to 42 (37 Republicans, 5 Democrats).

If the same report was repeated today it would look very different. The GOP robbed the country so blind there is nothing left to steal! 8 - )

I don’t know if you even tried for a CEO job but just wanting the money and perks probably isn’t enough, unless you get it through inheritance.

My financial needs were satisfied well below 11 million dollar. Well, well, well below 11 million. LOL

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Gort - Look again
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If the same report was repeated today it would look very different. The GOP robbed the country so blind there is nothing left to steal! 8 - )

Apparently they left 1 - 2 trillion for bailout money?

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/Extra/obamas-bailout-game...

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G35 Dude, do you think the GOP

would have spent less if they held on to power?

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G35 Dude, do you think the GOP

would have spent less if they held on to power?

Actually I do. Not that they would not have tried to spend but how could they have spent more?

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G35 Dude, how could they have spent more?

They did spend more during the Bush administration. If the GOP gets into power again they will continue to do what they have done in the past. The lobbyist would insist on it.

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No Gort - Look again

http://biggovernment.com/waysandmeans/2011/07/27/obama-more-than-twice-t...

Bush added 2.4 trillion to the debt during his 8 years in office. Awful? Yes. Obama has added 6.1 trillion to the debt in half the time. It is just a matter of the lesser of two evils.

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G35 Dude, it takes a lot of money to repair

what the GOP has destroyed. That’s why we can’t allow the GOP the chance to do it again.

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You get an A Gort!
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G35 Dude, it takes a lot of money to repair what the GOP has destroyed. That’s why we can’t allow the GOP the chance to do it again.

Didn't you say that the Rep's spent more? Now you say OK the Dem's spent more but the Rep's forced them to? Are you sure you're not a politician? LOL I will give you an A for creativity.

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G35 Dude, this is the first time I ever got an "A"

on this forum without it being followed by "XXhole" ! 8 - )

I thought you was counting money that wasn't spent yet but why quibble over a couple of trillion $.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20095704-503544.html

Besides, it’s always a pleasure to discuss politics with someone that's at least as stubborn as myself. LOL

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DM, the sad truth for Cain or anyone else is, if you don't step

in the crap you don't carry an odor. If you have done no wrong they can spread innuendos til the cows come home but if there is no proof -innuendos are all they have. The sad part is the stupidity and arrogance that makes some think they can do these things and never get found out.

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Mytimite

So true. His arrogance and ignorance has been very hurtful to his family. It's not the lack of proof - but the ignorance of putting yourself in a situation where you have to 'admit' a 13 year 'relationship' that is beyond belief! Now - he may enjoy portraying himself as a 'lover' - but Mrs. Cain knows the truth as to his capabilities today after his battle with cancer. Politics is a tough game, and Herman rightly chose his family over further political involvement at this time. She is his 'friend' now - and his ego is going to need a friend. The hanger on's will soon disappear. As for his courtesan of 13 years - she can now charge more! Not a bad marketing ploy on her part!

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I would rather have a man suspected of infidelity as Potus than a scumbag like Obama who spent 20 years in a marxist church with a racist hate-monger as his "spiritual mentor".

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Grizz, well of course you would.

That’s what makes you such a fascinating character and a delight to read in “The Citizen” forum.

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If you have done no wrong they can spread innuendos til the cows come home but if there is no proof -innuendos are all they have.

Most of the time innuendo is more than enough. All they are trying to do is place doubt in enough voters minds to sway the vote. Most people believe that if they see something in print then it must be true.

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DM, the 60's...

...started the sharp veer to the left by this country. Today we're seeing it's result: insaitiable drug usage, promiscuity & oversexualization (spread helpfully by TV & movies; thank God AIDS came along and made SOME people stop & think), rabid attacks on Christianity (as well as other religions, but not near the same level) that guided our nation & its mores for almost 200 years, cultural 'tribalization', and the 24/7 news/info cycle that hypes every little issue. The values you - and I - were raised on have been all but erased. Standards and decency have, and are, eroding to the point where there are none. I think the appropriate summary would be we're 'going to Hell in a handbasket'!

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I think the appropriate summary would be we're 'going to Hell in a handbasket'!

You forgot to include buying and selling the demon alcohol on Sundays.

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Heck no, Carbs...

...no demons in a drink; those come out of the one using it! Jesus even lifted his arm from time-to-time!

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Wine

The first recorded 'miracle' of Jesus was the making of wine for a wedding. His momma asked him for the favor.

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Carbo & Sunday sales

Hey, Indiana is always an option!

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It is obvious we have a different perspective on the '60's. The 60's were liberating to me and many others. The 'entitlements' that others enjoyed became available to all. Left/right are not to blame for our situation. Men and women throughout the world who find it difficult to do unto others as they want done unto them are to blame. Americans who don't understand that voting is a reponsibility and not just a right are to blame. For you to continually blame an ideology that doesn't agree with yours as the key to the division in this country is not based on reality. There are areas where both ideologies can exist/ . .and benefit the American people. Greed, lack of respect for others, lack of respect for family, can be found to be the source of chaos since biblical times. Cooperation among elected leaders, the lack of, is at the seat of our current problems. As I said before, the biggest waste of taxpayer money the last four years is the Congressional salaries

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KC, DM & the 60s

Seems as if I was a tad preoccupied in the 60s: 60-65-Germany;66-68-Vietnam;68-71-Germany! Now I had some good (and some bad) things happen to me during those years but being apolitical, paid little attn to CONUS activities during that time. Well, I did know we let the Shah of Iran get deposed and we're still paying for that. But wait, different circumstances, but we allowed/encouraged Mubarak, who was guarantor of stability, to suffer the same fate and we will now have an Egypt under mostly Muslim control,a major realignment of what was a reliable US ally. Stand by!

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I should be more specific, DM...

...as I meant the 'far left'; the 'Jerry Brown'-type wackos. Obviously some good things did come of that period - like civil rights and expanding horizons for women. Moderate approaches from both sides on most of the contentious of issues today are needed, but it's difficult when the views are patently polar-opposites. Agreed: Congress needs a reality check.

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Nuk & Herman's Problem

Note that I said "most recent".

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Nuk_1, do you think Ron Paul will

break with the GOP and go the third party route this time around?

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Gort: Nahhhh

When he converted from the LP to Repub, I think he was trying to get his ideas more mainstream attention, which has worked to some extent, and I don't see him going the 3rd party route.

What I am waiting for is when all the Repub faithful and the media might notice that the most fiscally conservative candidate in the race and with very proven results is Huntsman and will he get to be the Flavor of the Month as Bachmann, Perry, Cain and now Gingrich have? To me, he blows away all the rest of the field in about every area except "dynamic personality" or whatever, and his closest competitor would be Romney. As far as however a "true conservative" may be defined, I don't think any of the Repub field right now could touch Huntsman on who is conservative or not.

The fact that both he and Romney are Mormons and Romney is much better known already doesn't help Huntsman. He's been pigeon-holed by the Repubs and the media as being "the other Mormon" instead of a very viable candidate that has the kind of background needed in a President. Oh well.