Eye of Newt

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Interesting.

Public Policy Polling has a poll that puts Newt first. Probably an outlier but possibly indicative that now it's Newt's turn to take a shot at being the anti-Romney. Herman Cain's Libya q&a was devastatingly bad, which isn't going to stall his downward spiral. Rick Perry, expected to be a super-candidate, turned out to be just embarrassing.

But Newt might make it as the last man standing against Mitt. Popularity equals money and Newt Gingrich certainly knows how to build a political organization given the funding. He knows how to run one, too. Iowa is 9 weeks away, New Hampshire is 10 weeks. Mitt is stuck at 24% and has been for two years. The 75% or so non-Romney GOP voters have got to go somewhere. Newt looks to peak at exactly the right time.

The Rs could do worse. Newt could talk for four hours about Libya just introducing the subject. He is not going to veer into the scary ignorance of a Bachmann or Palin that frightens everybody, nor the just plain ignorance of Perry and Cain that scares everybody but the Tea party. Newt is ideologically and intellectually capable of getting the nomination. Yes, he has flaws. They are old news compared to not beating Obama. And yes, he's on a book tour and not running a real political campaign. Well, why not? What chance did he have going in? Who would have ever predicted that everybody else would collapse? But now that he is positioned, he is the most experienced politician possible to take advantage of the situation and turn it into a real campaign.

Interesting.

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I don’t think Newt would last long

in front of the pack of the Republican field. Why?

While he was speaker he got reprimanded for lying and left office, his right wing social engineering wise crack on Meet The Press, then there is his lobbying on behalf of Freddie Mac with Republican lawmakers for 1.5M or so, don’t forget the wife trading up problem, the half million revolving charge at Tiffany’s, and he has savaged everyone in the news media and they will do their best to get even with him. All this and more will come back to haunt him.

If Newt is “eyeing” the front runner position, his Republican running mates will know how to stick their finger in it.

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Gort & Newt

Nice comments from one who can't tell the difference between a group of old fogies and a weight watchers meeting~! Newt is most likely the smartest of all the candidates, including the incumbent. No, he might not have the best personal skills but is that most important to you when deciding on whether to go to war or not? He has turned his personal life around. Go ahead, give him your best shot. He might not make the final cut, but you won't have any influence. Keep on beating your loser Obama drum.

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AtHomeGym, all I’m saying is

I don’t think Newt will stay long at the top of the polls for the reasons I mentioned and in the end, he will be taken down by the rest of the Republican field. Not really a “shot,” just my opinion.

It would be fun to watch the 'great mind' of the Republican Party debate the President but neither one of the Koch brothers are actually running for the office. They are just helping to purchase it through their Republican surrogate’s. 8 - )

As for me, I’m still voting for Bachman in the Republican Primary!

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Athomegym: newt is the smartest? Based on what, my friend?

He is so smart that he didn't realize things he says can be researched?

the President has an anti-colonial Kensyan philosophy? That's smart.

Support the universal mandate for health insurance as a paid lobbyist for health insurance companies. then OPPOSE a universal mandate when running for the GOP POTUS nomination? That's brilliant.

Support Cap in Trade, then denounce Cap in Trade? Genius.

Become the Speaker of the House and behave so unethically that your own party forces you to resign? Cerebral stuff.

Criticise a President's indiscretions while stooping a staffer while married? Rhode's Scholar material there.

Find Jesus and claim your past record of performance should be whiped clean like an etch-a-sketch? This dude is Einstein.

I guess we agree Athome.

Cheers, brother

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Did he find Jesus at Tiffany's?

Maybe it was in the 40% off bin while he was buying all those trinkets for his latest trinket--this man has the morals of an alley cat but thinks he is always the smartest one in the room and that should supersede everything else. In reality, he is his own worst enemy.
If this country cannot do better than this for a Commander-In-Chief we are in deep trouble.

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MY TMITE - We

can do worse.... this has already been proven. ;-)

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Yes and I am hoping we don't--there doesn't seem like much of a

chance for much improvement unless another star comes up in the east some time soon!

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Kevin, Newt & Qualifications

Yes, I do think he's the smarest because he can talk facts about just about any topic without hesitation or a teleprompter. His problem with Clinton was that he committed purjury, NOT his personal indescretions. Pick/choose situations as you will but the man knows much and has little fear. He has a new website that is designed specifically to dispute/clarify some of the "charges" against him and disavow others. Like the hospital visit/divorce deal with a wife who purportedely had cancer. Wrong. She was there to have benign tumors removed, she was the one who asked for the divorce, and she is still alive today. Hey, my perfect person record got spoiled long ago. Have a great Thanksgiving--where are you spending that holiday? Might have a surprise delivery for you next time we meet. Keep 3 in the Green!
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I wish you and mytmite were the ticket Athome

Either of you has more substance and moral credibility than this hypocritical man with his unethical past. You can go to Newts website all you want, but he can't change his ACTUAL past. He can run, but he can't hide from it.
Looking forward to our next hobnobbing.

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Kevin/Gym

Can we dispense with all this political BS and get onto something of real substance? That's right, the next hobnobbing! My low beer indicator light has begun to flash.

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Mike King & Political BS

Wait! Am I reading this right? Mike King wants to cease political blogging? Gotta be an imposter! Maybe Greenbelt has resurfaced! Hey, I'm ready for a meet & greet whenever the stars all line up! The "Allstars", that is!

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Sorry, AHG, again, regardless of what he is saying now his wife

was in the hospital, recovering from surgery for cancer and he took in the divorce papers--he handled his second divorce almost as badly. During his first divorce I was working at a school where his wife and children were well known and many of the parents were friends of the family. He did not take care of his children financially after the divorce and many of these friends had to see that they had the things they needed. This was all well known at the time and not just as gossip. He is a smart man, no doubt, but he has no moral compass--I believe he really does think he is above reproach. If you have watched him over the years, it appears that he marries up (or what he considers up) each time. I have watched his career closely over the years mostly because I was aware of what was happening after the first marriage--maybe he can overcome all of that--but there are other skeletons in his closet some may not overlook. I have often wished that we could transfer his intelligence into someone more circumspect--but it seems that there is something in him, in spite of his narcissism that wants to self-destruct---just wouldn't want him to take the country with him.

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mytmite, newt & divorce

it's his daughter who has released statements about the hospital visit--she claims to be a first-person about what happened and did not happen. She sas tumors removed were benign and he did not take divorce papers for her to sign. She says they did have an argument about support arrangements but the rest was not true. She says she does not think better of her Father but he doesn't deserve the lies that have been told about the incident. What will be will be. I won't lose any sleep about any of it!

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AHG, me neither--about loss of sleep. This is the daughter

who now works with him I believe. I know she was quite young at the time all this happened--maybe the family wants to put a better picture on it today----I do know that at that time she definitely had cancer--she survived it and as far as I know is still alive. She was friends with many of the parents of students at the school where I worked at that time--and they helped during her recuperation and financially when he did not come forth---oh well, since it will be what it will be--let Newt deal with it---you gave a great turkey day.

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Kevink - Newt

"the President has an anti-colonial Kensyan philosophy"

Reference: The Roots of Obama's Rage by Dinesh D'souza

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Newt Smart?

Someone said that Newt is what stupid people think a smart person should sound like.

So true!!!

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Lion, isn't Newt...

...a history professor? Of course he taught in Georgia, so he used lots of picture books... He was at least smart enough to become Speaker of the House - too bad he hasn't reached the heights I'm sure you have...

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So did Nancy Pelosi----become Speaker of the House, that is---

As I have said before, I think Newt is his own worst enemy. He is smart-but he has his limitations--and very often shoots himself in the foot. He does come up with some very good ideas--but I think he feels he is infallable and feels he is always the smartest person in the room--or maybe even the universe----

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kcandy--aa p.s. -----You can be the smartest guy in the room but

if you don't have the common sense to go with it, you are at a disadvantage----and Newt doesn't always show common sense, or else he does not use it because he feels he is above following the rules the rest of us abide by.

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Newt is so intelligent....

Reminds me of the Steely Dan lyrics:

You been tellin' me you're a genius
Since you were seventeen
In all the time I've known you
I still don't know what you mean
The weekend at the college
Didn't turn out like you planned
The things that pass for knowledge
I can't understand

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Amen, Carbon guy....You are

Amen, Carbon guy....You are so right.

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Lion - Newt is very smart!

Being smart does not make one good. Many people are very intelligent but can be evil as well. I'm aware of his past and I'm not defending him. On the other hand I'm not attacking him either. His intentions here may be very good. I just don't know. But if you think he's dumb I must question your judgement. Hillary once told Tim Russert, "Newt is the smartest man in Washington- NEVER underestimate him!" His IQ level, while I do not know what it is exactly, is said to be over 140. That is in the genius category. Herman Cain describes Newt in one word "Brilliant!". This is a common answer from anyone from either party that knows him.

His reputation is that while he is extremely smart he can not stay on task. He comes up with a good idea but before he can implement it he strays off course to work on another good idea. Never completing much of anything. That makes him hard to work for. That is why he has had such a high turn over in campaign staff. A part of me thinks that he should be in Washington but I'm not sure in what capacity.

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Lion - ?

I thought this was said about Mr. Obama?

It will be interesting to see, if Newt is the nominee, how these two will defend their ideas. This election unlike 2008, will be about ideas not cliches like "Hope and Change" or "Tax the Rich".

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Old news Gort

Sure, we all know that even Newt's baggage has baggage but so what? Somebody is going to be the person that the anti-Romney GOP voters rally behind and the pool is really limited. Cain continues to disintegrate. His answer on Libya the other day may have been the worst answer to a question in presidential political history. Add it to the harassment debacle and Cain is toast. He can't recover. Bachmann and Santorun were feather-weights from the beginning. Fellow Mormon Huntsman is not going to be the anybody-but-Romney candidate. That only leaves Newt and Perry. I thought Perry would shoot up and take command of second place and position himself as the ABR candidate. He seemed to have everything going for him when he got in but he turned out to be kind of embarrassing at best and not very bright. He's still got some money but people have not liked what they've seen so far. Can anyone imagine him debating Obama?

The Teas scared most of the serious contenders from getting into the race. They loaded it up with their own and ended up with political dwarfs. The Koch brothers formation of the TEA party led to such a weak Republican field that Obama might win again.

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It's beginning to look like it!
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Obama might win again.

But it's a long time until election day - and the Republicans have SO MANY debates scheduled!!

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It'll be ok if Obama wins...

...as Republicans can still control the House and stop him from annexing half of Virginia & Maryland to fit the planned expansions of the Federal government. We'll have 4 more years of half the country saying 'stop the spending & cut, pay down the debt', and the other half saying 'give us more, more, more, borrow more, we need you to feed us'. Generalized, of course, but the brass tacks of the situation. A unified national vision will not come from him being reelected; he's alienated just about everyone in one way or another, outside his heartiest believers. In reality, it becomes a no-win situation for both sides of the aisle, and the American people.

Best of luck to us all; we're going to need it.

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JeffC, I hear what your saying,

(and I have to admit, you are pretty good at this stuff,) but my opinion is still, Newt ain’t gonna last long. If his running mates don’t “do him in,” he will do it to himself.

IMHO, Herman Cain, Rick Perry, Michele Bachmann, and Newt Gingrich are all there to sell their vanity books and make Mitt Romney look good to independent voters.

Maybe Jon Huntsman and Rick Santorum will have their day in the sun after Newt falls down but so far they haven’t made any traction.

I don’t understand why Mitt Romney is so disliked by the hard right. I always thought they wanted someone with executive experience and a businessman. Mitt Romney was the Governor of Massachusetts and a junk bond dealer, (or something like that,) on Wall Street.

If elected, I’m sure he and his Republican cronies could do for America what Frank Lorenzo did for Eastern Airlines.

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OK Gort, but that only leaves...

Perry. A resurgent Perry is all you have left. Cain's continuing his spiral down, claiming today that the Taliban is in control of Libya. Santorum who? Bachmann was never a serious candidate. Huntsman is Mitt lite. He'll never fit as the ABR candidate. You've got to figure it's going to be a Tea who becomes the ABR candidate. Right? None of the rest have any money at all.

But Perry has $15 million and we're still two months before New Hampshire.

It's hard to believe but it hasn't even started yet.

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JeffC, you keep coming back to Perry

but I think he’s done. Even after ten years as Governor of Texas it’s pretty obvious he just isn’t ready for the big show yet. Your guess is as good as mine if he can turn it around by the time the primary’s start. I think he committed social suicide with the Tea’s with his,

“…, then you haven’t got a heart,” debate answer about the children of illegal Mexican refugees.

As far as Mitt goes, this week I seen a news clip of,…

(pause while I make the sign of the cross before I say her name,)

Ann Coulter,

(pause again while I make the sign of the cross after saying her name,)

…, giving tacit support for the party to, get behind Mitt Romney if they want a shot at winning the WH. She used to lead the ABR campaign. Time will tell.

BTW, If someone made a prequel to the movie 101 Dalmatians, do you think (pause,) Ann Coulter, (pause again,) could effectively play the part of a younger Cruella de Vil?
8 - )

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If they remade the Wizard of Oz, though...

...Hillary Clinton would be a shoe-in for the Wicked Witch! ;) Pelosi is just too obvious...she's played that part for years!

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If Sqirmin’ Herman Cain is the producer,

you will have to settle for Monika Lewinsky as the “Wicked Witch,” but any one of the Republican candidates for President could play the part of the phony baloney Wizard.

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Gort, I thought...

...Obama already had that part wrapped up! ;P

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No, Kchief Andy.

He isn't the one hiding behind a curtain. My vote is for the "I'm a smart businessman! Honest!" Herman Cain. He and the wizzard both had stuff all twirlin around in their heads, ya know. :-)

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Republicans

The Republican Party has been descending downward for the last 30 years and now may have bottomed out in it's fascination with paranoid stupid. What rational 21st century political party would ever think that Palin. Bachmann, Perry, or Paul had the knowledge or ability to lead the most powerful nation on earth?

If Republicans nominate Newt that will confirm that Republican voters are the party of no values at all. (Remember the Party of "family values"?)

In its determination to defeat President Obama, the Republican base has settled on a John Birch Society paranoid, Ann Rand Fantasyland, neo-Confederate vision of America. How pathetic.

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lion: Yep, Repubs are pathetic

What's even worse though is that the spineless cowards called the "Democratic Party."

I will give the Repubs credit for at least TRYING by making proposals like the Ryan Plan, an actual BUDGET, a balanced budget amendment(flawed and dumb but a serious proposal at least)and a proposal from their side on the "super committee." What have the Dems done in these areas? ZILCH. They are too scared and craven to even propose a budget when they had both the House and Senate and are too terrified to address entitlement spending right now that is going to bankrupt this country.

The facts are real simple: entitlement spending by 2013 will cause the same debt-to-GDP ratio as those economic giants Greece and Italy are enjoying, even with repealing ALL BUSH TAX CUTS! America has an enormous spending problem and repealing all those Bush tax cuts means all of a 135billion a year when the US is running a 1.5 TRILLION deficit a YEAR???

The Dems' response to all of this is "raise taxes." OK, raise them. Then what? "No.....you can't touch entitlements unless it's matched by raising taxes!" Considering that the deficit is 1.5 trillion and repealing tax cuts yields a whopping 135bil, this is an idiotic position but the only thing Dems have to stand on these days because they cater to a very ignorant and very "needy" constituency that will vote for Dems as long as they feel their pain and pander to them.

Boehner and Obama were reportedly close on like a 3-4 trillion dollar deal at one point, but it included some tax hikes(TP hates that) and serious reductions in entitlements(Dems hate that even more) and so it went down in flames and we're left with a budget supercommittee that only cares about the 2012 election and the "good of the country" is about 18th on their priority list.

Yeah, it's those damn Republicans' fault. What you left out is how pathetic the Democrats are and their lack of any courage or spine whatsoever. Oh well, we can always print some more money and have more stimulus and bailouts and keep the ignorant happy enough until they start rioting in the future because we're totally broke.

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Spineless 'leaders' regardless of political labels, and uninvolved Americans who don't vote! And scum like Norquist who buy our leaders. Instead of going to the street with our frustration - go to the voting booth! (Hopefully after researching the issues and candidates and how they affect you!). Nothing more powerful than an informed electorate to combat an egomaniac like Norquist.

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Philosophical differences

exist. Why is Grover Norquist the 13th member of the Super Committee? Why is a pledge to him (the pledges are framed and on the wall in his office) more important than reaching an agreement for revenue in a budget? I know you guys will correct my misunderstanding.

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Geez, Kev...

...more hate for Cain! Can a brother get a break?! 'Wizard', btw...

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Kcchiefandy, I don’t think he's available.

President Obama is already working on a project. It’s an updated version of “Dewey Defeats Truman!”

The updated version is called:

“Huey, Dewey and Louie Try To Defeat Obama.”

8 - )

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You're not leaving me any choice Gort

You're not buying Newt so I gave you Perry. Now you're not buying Perry either. It's too late for anybody else to get in and get on the ballots so you've only got Bachmann, Santorum, Huntsman, Cain, Gingrich, Paul, and Perry to chose from.

The Machiavellian cogs grind on without Newt and Perry... and the anybody-but-Romney candidate turns out to be... Jon Huntsman. That would be so ironic on so many levels.

It's Newt's turn to fly too close to the sun. We'll see.

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JeffC & Who For What

Regardless of who wins the presidency, I think Jon Huntsman would make an excellent Secretary of State.

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China/Huntsman

I agree. Or return to China as Ambassador. China and Iran are serious concerns. Also, we must look at what is happening in Europe after their budget cuts! Surely there must be some way to return to fiscal responsibility without violence and recession. When a hole is dug, it takes time to fill it so that the ground is stable - right? Quick fixes have proven unacceptable.

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Ok, DM...

...so what are your ideas for 'fiscal responsibility' and no 'violence or recession'? And what are the long term fixes? Please, entertain us with those... The current administration will kiss China's a$$ to keep them happy & open to loaning us more, and they'll let Israel or the UN take the lead on Iran, so as not to risk any 'face' if things go bad (kind of like what Clinton did in dealing with the Islamic Fundamentalist terror threat - pass the buck).

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Is it 'chicken' to avoid violent conflict? We lost 7000+ young men and women in the Iraq conflict. Why? You guys don't like Huntsman because he KNOWS the power of China and Iran. . . and what situation we're in because of the Republican deals with China starting with Nixon. If you or I had the answer to your question, we would not be blogging on The Citizen. Violence is not the only answer- unless you're in the munition business. Excuse me, maybe you have the answer. Please share it with us. One of my grandsons came home safely from Korea and Iraq. I am proud of his service and grateful that his skills are now used in FAA. I have two other grandsons (and four granddaughters) who I would prefer not to have to put their lives on the line to protect our country by being involved in violent conflict. Now, for fiscal responsibility - when an individual or a country has been irresponsible for a long period of time, it takes more than paying off the deficit to become responsible and still exist. An individual could liquidate all of their assets, etc., to pay off their debt. But without sufficient revenue, he may never recover and contribute to his family. The US could cut all government programs, put more people on unemployment, refuse to raise taxes- because of a pledge to Norquist, a lobbyist, and let the people go to the streets for justice. When six leaders on the Super Committee believe we can pay off a mammoth deficit without additional revenue, I question their loyalty to their constituents. Hail Norquist and re-election funds. I blame the American people who don't use their power under the Constitution and let less than 50% of the electorate 'vote' and the Norquist's of our country control our legislative branch of our government. Sorry that I rambled. Non-violence and individuals who care about those they represent using common sense, knowledge, and cooperation to govern. My dream.

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Well yes, it is, DM...

...if you leave your fight to someone else. No, we've lost 3531 in combat in Iraq. You must be including A-stan, the President's war, in your death toll. No, we don't have the answers; we trust that to our elected officials, so why ask the question here? Yes, vote the bums out; it might be time to give Libetarians a whack at it! Violence, used as a last resort, can be a very effective tool. The threat of such destroyed our arch-nemisis, the USSR, and keeps rouges like N. Korea at bay.

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Power/violence - KC

Strength through power -let's not drop another bomb on a country in order to 'win'. We're not the only one with the bomb. Diplomacy and power trump violence in my book.

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Diplomacy, DM...

...is what got Iran to the precipice of owning the bomb, and had Saddam continuing to that point before we intervened. Now the world (esp. Israel!) will consider violence as an option.

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Leverage

Is an important element in power and non- violence.

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Leverage Davids Mom

Is an important element in power........

Part of that leverage is projecting power militarily.

At the rate we are going however, we'll gut our military in order to afford social programs like HR 3134 and S 1778 - federal funding for.....well for diapers. But hey, at least the priorities are in order. (eyes rolling)

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Cy & Federal Child Care & Maintenance

What a farce--if you can't afford kids, don't have them! Those who are fools enough to march ahead should have their parental rights and the child/children removed from them. Just another material way to purcase votes in my view. Nanny state for real!

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I read a good article years back...

...in the Atlantic Monthly that addressed why so many low-income people/families have several children. In summation of the article, it basically said children gave the poor a sense of worth and importance, whereas the more educated and economically sound populace usually had less due to better planning and more focus on careers.

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KC Andy & Atlantic article

Andy, if the summation is anywhere near true, it implies that there is indeed some planning involved, in other words they plan to have children to experience that feeling of importance. I don't believe that for a minute and I believe most are conceived via ignorance and ABSENCE of any planning at all! And I suspect that for some, downloading a kid every yr is considered a CAREER, as it will indeed get you some income!

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AHG, I think...

...that's AFTER the first one! I agree most don't plan - even later - they just have sex and don't worry about the consequences. Good point on the 'career' choice!

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Now Now Gym,

The party, that runs on the platform of envy cannot and will not tell the masses that they should take responsibly for their actions. You need to get with the program buddy.

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Excuse me

What party is against Planned Parenthood?

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Wouldn't it be great if we could find solutions in simplistic answers? We have problems in this country - in this world. What we need is persons/leaders willing to cooperate with one another in order to exist without resorting to a nuclear war. We are not the only ones with military 'leverage'. What do we, citizens of the world, have? There are leaders worldwide who seek self-importance and monetary reward; citizens who are discouraged with those who are leading them; and many seeking the American dream - and concerned that it is crumbling. The American dream was/is home ownership. This dream was extended to those who would have difficulty achieving it without the help of financial institutions.
This help was given, but there were those who found they could make a financial killing - hence the 'housing bubble'. It was not just the ignorant, uneducated, irresponsible citizens who were caught up in this fiasco - but also many hard working citizens who when they found out about the mess they were in, did not receive any assistance to keep their 'home'. Arrogant banks are still refusing to assist - and are sitting on OUR MONEY THAT THEY RECEIVED IN THE BAILOUTS! When our leaders are discovered to have acted irresponsibly and without integrity - it just may be difficult to tell the next generation that integrity is important in obtaining the American dream. . IMHO.
We can look at history and should be able to see where we went wrong in the past - and learn from our mistakes; develop programs that avoid those mistakes and continue to grow and prosper. Reading Ronald Reagan’s speeches from the past, I think that the Tea Party of today would reject his ideas. Wise leaders should be able to correct and balance our programs - but it appears to me that some are willing to throw out the baby with the bath water. Military power is important - as is education and health of our citizens. A balance makes a strong country grow. Military power with an uneducated, hungry citizenry has been found to be the beginning of the end of the ruling power of a country. The American dream should be a balanced program.

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Davids mom - Simple Answers

Sorry, that's just not going to happen. After all, simplicity means that we wouldn't have this conga line called The Citizen. Lets keep that line moving.

Now it's off to battle those that advocate the party of envy.

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The Party of Envy

Who belongs to this party? What is it they envy? Are all of the members of this envious group truly members of one party or are they a percentage of people who have suffered two wars, loss of jobs, loss of homes, loss of trust in their elected leaders? Not many people kicking up their heels in a conga line at the end of 2011. . . .but I'm truly amazed at the shoppers this season. You've got to admire the resilience of the American spirit . Our battling each other is not producing any solutions. Oh well.

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JeffC, since you’re such a good sport,

you can have Newt as the Republican Presidential nominee! 8 - )

As far as Jon Huntsman goes, so far he would have had better luck running for office in China. Many Republicans are insisting on a street fighting bully to run against the President. So far, that just isn’t Huntsman.

I for one would love to watch a one on one debate between Huntsman and Obama. Now that would be good TV.

BTW, do you think Newt looks a little too much like the Roman Emperor Nero to win the general election? 8 - )

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Well thanks a lot Gort

If I get Newt as GOP candidate for prez for my good sportsmanship, what did the winner get?

As for Huntsman, if we end up with a pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, Chinese speaking, global warming believing, evolutionist, ambassador who served under Obama as the GOP nominee; then we've all fallen through the rabbit hole with Alice.

I like Newt. He's intelligent, irascible, infuriating, self-indulgent and interesting and can pretend he's rational right up until the devastating self-inflicted something that he'll do to himself that we mortals cannot fully comprehend but can only stand by and wonder in awe if he can possibly survive this new whatever it inevitably is that he's done that threatens to destroy him for the umpteenth time happens? What's not to like?

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JeffC, well starting in January, the show begins

and we’ll all know for sure how it plays out.

Right now, everyone likes Newt. They didn’t think so much of his “right wing social engineering,” crack back on Meet the Press earlier this year. According to Newt anyone that uses the “right wing social engineering,” clip is a liar! (ha!) He must think we are all in his trance! He’s as big a flip-flopper as anyone else running for office. Flip-flopping is in vogue this election cycle.

I don’t know why everyone thinks Newt is so smart. To me, he’s smart like the character “Cliff Claven” in the TV series, “Cheers.” The stories might sound good after a couple of beers but can’t survive close scrutiny under sober consideration! In Newt’s case, it might sound smart after watching Faux News but can’t survive close scrutiny under sober consideration! Don’t let Newt “Buffalo” your brain cells, if you know what I mean. 8 - )

All I can say about Jon Huntsman is he is an impressive guy and would make a good Democrat. Huntsman knocked it out of the ballpark at the last Republican National Security debate. Unless something changes, the best Huntsman is going to do is become a political appointee in someone else’s administration.

That brings me right back to Mitt Romney again. The GOP needs Romney and only 22% of Republicans recognize it according to the poles. If the Republican’s win the WH, keep the House, and take control of the Senate, only Romney has the Wall Street experience necessary to start funneling all that Social Security money to the Wall Street gambling houses were it will benefit the few at the expense of the many.

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Jeff, you have Newt down pat---I think there is something in him

that makes him self-destruct before he grabs that brass ring. He is intelligent--maybe not as intelligent as he thinks he is--Sadly, I really think he has no moral compass or if he has it directs him in the wrong direction time after time. I get the feeling he thinks he is so much smarter than the rest of us that he can do whatever he wants and weasel his self out of the hole---it works for a time--but must admit he is interesting to watch. I don't think interesting enough to turn the country over to him and some of his half baked ideas, though.

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Romney vs. Gingrich

I'd take Romney any day over Newt, and this is coming from someone who worked with Gingrich's campaign as a teenager long ago. Newt has better ideas and ideology than Fli-Flop Mitt, but Romney will not be an embarrassment to this country in any way morally or with over-the-top BS/pettiness that are Newt trademarks.

Romney besides being Gov and running Bain Capital(venture capitalists, not junk bond dealers) did an incredible job pulling off the Salt Lake City Olympics when it was a total disaster before he took over the responsibility for everything and turned it into an event that finished in the black instead of a sea of red ink. Romney has real world business credentials that no one else on either side can come remotely close to.

I'd rather have a Libertarian than any Repub(including Ron Paul), but failing that, I'll settle for a technocrat like Romney who is looking to "get the job done right" over "political philosophy" that often bends the moment the election ends anyway. I'll take the guy who has a lot of successful business experience + govt over only gov't every time.

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Romney?

Yep and Romney can claim socialized medicine was his idea even before Obama. Doesn't matter that he almost bankrupted Massachusetts.

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Nuk, I agree with you on that match up.

But Romney has no spine. Day after day. Issue after issue, BAR NONE. Romney finds himself on both sides. This is amazing. I've never seen such a wealthy political amoeba.

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Not so wealthy, Kev...

...but you HAVE heard the amoeba named Obama, right? Show me a politician with a spine; I think it's genetic.

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Kev, you have met Obama...

...the non-wealthy political amoeba, right? He's as two-faced as any professional politician. I'd start posting the Google hits on his 180's, but it'd probably bring the server down...

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Kchief andy. The President has always.

Been pro choice. Been against war in iraq. Been for iraqi withdrawal. Been for union rights.

Has Romney? Answer that, and you will get the crux of the GOP problem this year.

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I can't wait, Jeff...

to see the debates between Newt and Obumbles. Newt isn't my first choice, but that will be entertaining. I'm sure that the Obumbler's handlers are already trying to figure out how to avoid any debate between the two.

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Even more fun then that Maximus

I believe that Obama's people think that Obama can take Newt on in a debate. It would be a wonder to behold.

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You may be right, Jeff

Since Odimwit has surrounded himself with people as clueless as he is, they may actually believe that.

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Really, Maximus? Really? Really? really. Really?

My first question to Newt would be, If Barney Frank should go to jail for his work with Freddie and Fannie, why should you not go to jail for your 1.8 million dollar relationship with same?

Second question: When authoring op-ed after op-ed with respect to health care initiatives, your previous support for a universal mandate for example, why did you, time after time, fail to disclose that you were a paid consultant for the companies your ideas would enrich?

Third: Why did you resign as Speaker of the House?

Fourth: What will a million get you at tiffany's?

Fifth: How does a man who grew up in Hawaii have an anti-colonial Kensyan philosophy?

See, I didn't even get into the sanctity of marriages es es.

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My hero!!!

Not only are you purty but you are so smart!!! No wonder you are my hero--well, that smile helps a lot, I must admit.

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MYTMITE & Kevin

Say and think what you want but what you don't know is that Kevin is planning to establish a summer camp for conservative democrats in your neighborhood. They will have lots of donkeys (what else would dems have) and only serve rice & beans for meals. Traffic is expected to increase by 300% and the county just might appropriate some of your property to use for parking. Good news is that you will be able to apply for your food stamps right there in the office, get them issued and use them in their local commissary! Yep, that smile gets you a long way!

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As long as he stays purty and smiles a lot I can overlook his

being a conservative democrat (do they really exist?). As for the camp, if he is going to be there I will work right along side him---if they took some of my property for parking it would have to be roof-top parking--my roof--I am not a big landowner like some on this site---you mean they will have a commissary right there--my hero thinks of everything---and my very own food stamps--'bout time I got something back from all those taxes I have paid all these years! Yeah, Kevin for President---hate to have to share him with the world--but it would be selfish to try to keep him for myself when he is meant for bigger and better things.

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Mytmite, Kevin & Bigger & Better Things

Yeah, like maybe a 777!

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Now, AHG, don't let jealousy rear it's ug;y head. You are just

as handsome and personable in your own way!!! But you have got to admit that is some smile! He could do a toothpaste commercial------

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mytmite & jealousy

none of that here--we all have our own schtick and I don't fault Kevin for his nor he for mine. In case you didn't notice, despite of our political opposites, he and I share a mutual respect, partly due to regional culture and otherwise, just because we happen to be two decent human beings.

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I know that and that is why I think you are both very nice guys.

I just like to tease Kevin about his smile and good looks because I think it makes him squirm a little-but I may be wrong and he may love it! Have a good one---

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mytmite & squirming

Nah,I don't think squirming is in his vocabulary!

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mytmite & squirming

Nah, squirming ain't in his vocabulary!

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Preposterous AHG

Enough conservative Dems to increase traffic 300%? Fantasyland! My only concern is what side am I on if Kevin's summer camp turns out to be accessed by the west-bypass???

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Clean up!

It's a lot easier to clean up after donkeys than elephants! We're still hip deep in their (elephants') mess - and they refuse to cooperate in the clean-up! LOL!

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The only thing elephants are refusing, DM...

...is to borrow trillions of more mops from China! They're exercising their Constitutional rights, representing their constituents, just like you proffer in your tag line. Perhaps you want to deny them that right? Tch, tch, tch, DM...

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The Donkeys - KC

aren't following Grover Norquist around like puppies. Americans - wake up! VOTE! Get the Grover Norquist's out of our elected leadership! I think they are awake - and the Republicans come across as a nightmare that jolts us into reality.

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Yes, DM! And let...

...George Soros buy our government! Yea! Democrat marionettes still dance to his tune!

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And Norquist has - for KC

the Republicans by the balls! Why! Because Americans don't vote which allows 'monied individuals and corporations to run our country instead of elected representatives! We agree - get the spineless, bought 'leaders' out! ( but do your research - and know who you're voting for!). Get beyond the labels KC. There is stink on both sides- and the protected class is still 'protected' - while the rest of us hit the streets instead of the voting booth. Sad. We have what other humans die for, and we sit at home instead of lining up to vote.

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That 'class', DM...

...has always been such and always will be, vote or no vote. There will also always be big $$ backing a horse, as it has always been in this (and many) nation. The best we can do it pick the best we can - in line w/ our beliefs & hopes - and get rid of them when they get out of line. Pols, in any country I'd say, are not usually the best & brightest, and they all have ulterior motives.

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KCchiefandy

Pols?????? Please clarify. Thanks.

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