Las Vegas Republican Debate

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Tonight's debate is critical for Herman Cain who can be expected to be attacked from all sides because of his meteoric rise. This is going to be difficult because his 9-9-9 plan is a massive shift of taxes from the wealthy to the middle-class, not to mention that he could never get it passed. Hopefully, the flack he's gotten over the last week or so has alerted him to the expected questions and he has been well briefed with answers. Cain also needs to stay away from glib answers like when he responded to a foreign policy question and said: “When they ask me, ‘Who is President of Ubeki-beki-beki-becki-stan-stan, I am going to say, Do you know?" and when he joked about electrifying a fence at the border and building a moat and filling it with crocodiles. He's getting a serious look and he needs to look serious. If Cain can withstand the attacks, it will help him immensely with fund-raising, which he desperately needs.

Perry needs to clean up his act and give a good performance. His last debates will be forgotten if he does well tonight and then spends his $15 million on advertising. The Republican political environment is so fluid that he could easily rebound and recapture the people who abandoned him for Cain. Tonight might be his last chance though, if he continues to perform so poorly. The Rs are looking to beat Obama and Perry's campaign to date has been pitiful. As much as the Rs dislike Obama, almost everybody credits him with excellent debate capabilities and they are looking for someone who can hold up in comparison. Perry needs to show that he can do that. Another dismal or lackluster debate will really damage his campaign. His wife needs to stop talking to burning bushes too.

Newt has the most to gain if Cain and Perry falter. He seems to be next in line for the anybody but Romney position. Newt is a danger to Obama if he gets the nomination. He has been there, done that, and can hold his own on any topic.

Romney is probably going to skate again because the focus is going to be on Cain. This is the last chance to attack Romneycare in a debate this year. The next debate is going to be limited to foreign policy so Romney may not have to really address Romneycare until next year and maybe never in a debate. His people are frantically pushing up the election dates so that he can pile up early victories. It is an excellent strategy. The other campaigns seem not to recognize the implications.

Bring on the debate!

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So much for avoiding the Romneycare issue... or the lawn service

I can be pretty objective for a conservative liberal. and being as objective as possible, this is how I saw tonight:

Ron Paul has no chance. He lacks energy, his voice is pitchy and doesn't exude leadership, and he has some very fringe ideas on economics and international policy. He wants a patient to doctor healthcare system; like we have with auto mechanics. He doesn't have a prayer.

Michelle Bachmann seemed starved for attention. her answer to EVERYTHING was "Obama's a failed President." Even when the question required a solution from her. The classic case was when she was asked about the subprime mortgage bust. She told "Women" Obama had failed them in this. I guess she didn't realize he wasn't the president in 2008. And her voice is prohibitive.

Newt had a great night....EXCEPT. He talked about a need for faith and values. Newt said that. He talked about all he has not demonstrated. It was very awkward, but other than that moment of do as I say, not as I've done, he was very presidential and reasoned. He just has to live with his support of the individual mandate with respect to health insurance..... before he was against it.

Herman Cain could not deliver substance. Backed into a 999 corner, he retreated to claims of apples to oranges when he needed to give details. I felt like Mitt and the others eased up on him knowing they had made their point. He has no true answers. And Herman is ushering the latino vote over to Obama one moat and electric fence joke at a time.

Rick Perry seemed like someone completely outclassed by Newt and Mitt. His illegal gardner argument which got him booed was a low blow that he stayed with way too long. He was caught denying his support of the bailouts, as was Mitt. The flip floppery of Romney and Perry and Cain on the bailouts make their anti-bailout arguments much less effective.

Mitt Romney reminded me of "shape shifters" from sci-fi movies. He can absolutely be anything at anytime. He has been on all sides of all major issues in his long career in the spotlight, and that was often pointed out. I feel he looked particularly weak when he called to Anderson Cooper for help because the Texan wouldn't let him speak. Not a great night for either man; but less of a negative for Mitt IMHO.

Tonight was not a good night for the GOP candidates. Newt, in my opinion, was the winner, but only if you don't know his history in the house and in issues of faith and values.

The Obama team probably felt good about tonight.

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The Debate - kevink
Quote:

The Obama team probably felt good about tonight.

Yup!

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Wow, was I wrong

There was no skating by Romney. He got nailed on Romneycare and illegal immigration.

Bachman was weak. Her answer that she would indeed build a fence on the border just shows that she has no clue as to what she’s talking about. That land is owned by US citizens. What’s she going to do, confiscate hundreds of miles of privately owned land? Perry has right answer because he’s dealt with it and understands the reality of the situation. Anyway, who cares what Bachmann says? She’s essentially out of it.

Santorum showed some life, too little too late.

I can't believe how the Rs are ignoring Newt. My gut feeling is that he could beat Obama by a pretty good margin, yet he doesn't seem able to get any traction. Ideological purity trumps nominating someone who can win. Good for the Teas!

Cain was a flat out disappointment. He had at least six chances to explain his 9-9-9 plan and he punted them all by repeatedly inviting every family to go to his website, download the plan and do their own math. First of all, he had prime free television and should have had answers. Second, people are not going to go to his website and get the plan and study it. Third, let’s face it, most Americans are virtually illiterate when it comes to math but they can add 9+9+9 and get a 27% tax. Cain has peaked.

Rick Perry is back! The ABR vote will flock back to him and away from Cain now. He is a nasty campaigner and does vicious ads. Romney’s free ride is over. Perry's style won’t do him much good in the general election but the Teas are salivating at the thought of someone to take the fight to Obama and are rapturous about someone who will rip into Obama like Perry did to Mitt. Rick and Mitt REALLY don’t like each other and with their millions in upcoming campaign ads, three more debates in December and six debates in January, they are poised to rip each other to shreds.

Romney lost by virtue of not knocking out Perry. After Cain fades, it’ll be a two man race between Romney and Perry and it’s going to be vicious. I’m hoping for a long campaign.

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Jeff, I gotta disagree

on Newt. He clearly enjoys playing the role of intellectual bully, and in this field he can pull it off. But he is too pompous and self-impressed as he lectures the other candidates and even the moderators - comes across as more interested in proving how stupid everyone else is than with pitching his own ideas. Sourness and condescension won't take you very far, especially when you're yesterday's news to begin with and have a record as a serial philanderer with a running tab at Tiffanys.

Cain will be back in single digits by next week and possibly back home in Stockbridge by the holidays. And by the way, his 999 nonsense is only a smokescreen for his real plan, which remains the ever-ridiculous Fair Tax. He makes that clear on his website.

I think Romney remains the real threat to Obama because he would appeal to independents and non-idealogues. The base would vote for him because they hate Obama too much not to. Yes, his ties to healthcare reform hurt now, but let's face it, the no. 1 thing the hard right doesn't like about Obamacare is the first five letters of its name, not what it does or doesn't do, so I don't think that's fatal. In the general election, it might even help.

My 2c

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Bowser: You are spot on. Rest assured the candidates are busy

trying to figure out how to spin the multiple deaths today against Obama. Today the world has lost Moammar Qaddafi, Gadhafi, Khaddafy, and Kaddafi. they are all gone. And Africa is a slightly safer continent because of it. I liked the way Michelle Bachmann said Obama had troops in Libya and now he sent them to Africa. Two different continents in her mind I guess. I have truly been amazed at how hyper-partisan even former Statesmen like John McCain have become in their refusal to give this White house any credit. John McCain actually said we should get involved in the Libyan conflict. so we did. He THEN said our involvement was too costly. It is a GOP reaction. Have a position, and then, no matter what Obama does, oppose it. It has become quite transparent. And it won't gain the GOP Congress which seems to only care about abortion and tax cuts any support.

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Cain - some may find this interesting

Cain is a respected community member and church member.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/18/the-liberal-church-of-herman-cain/

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No, not really, DM...

...church membership has little to do w/ his/most candidates secular approach to governance, although they'll play it up if it benefits them, or deny it if it hurts them. Kennnedy, Obama, Romney, Perry, Bachmann, and countless others get to get their 'innards' exposed for political games all the time...right or wrong.

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Kc

There were those on this site who were most certain that Obama's relationship with his church and his minister would be devastating to the country; who professed that most black churches were 'anti-white' - and certainly Obama was anti-white ; and I agree that the personal religious belief should not affect the decisions made by our leaders. However, we have SOME proponents of the Tea Party who disagree. Anyway, it just may be interesting to some how this man is regarded by the members and leaders of his church, which was/is active in the civil/ human rights movement in this country. The limited but noted anti-black comments or generalizations regarding black people is based IMHO on lack of knowledge of the black community. Many blacks are interested in the 'white' community, it's too bad that there are some in this country who have no interest in their fellow Americans.

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Nah Kevin, it's easy

They're not trying to figure out anything. If Obama is for it, they are against it. It's simple. Did you hear Rush blasting Obama for sending in special forces to advise Uganda trying to get Joseph Kony and the Lord's Resistance Army? He was claiming that Obama was now trying to kill Christians and went on and on about it until someone told him what a butcher Kony was then he said he'd have to research it. Colbert skewered him agreeing that he should research. If he did his due diligence before making the accusation it should be called "presearch".

They were for the Heritage Foundation's individual mandate for national health care before they were against it. They were for TARP before they were against it. The list goes on and on. If Obama came out for a balanced budget, they'd be howling for more spending.

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Bachmann crumbles, Rubio crashes

Michell Bachmann's entire New Hampshire staff resigned and went over to Perry. That's pretty much the end of her.

The birthers outed Rubio. He's been lying all this time about his parents fleeing Castro. They came over in 1956 not 1959 like he's been claiming.

Oops.

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Well, at least we have Obama...

...to secure ANY Republican taking the WH. His inexperience, lies, failed leadership, corrupt administration (this ain't Chi-town w/ Raul & ACORN at your back, Hussein!), and overall misreading of the American people & the ideals they hold sacred would give Zippy the Clown a 60-40 chance of winning! He, Eugene Debs, Vladimir Lenin, and Huey Long can enjoy a laugh at the Socialist Bar & Lounge in Moscow - if they still allow those types there!

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Kcchiefandy. How was your day?

Alot happened between your reasonable post this morning and this Grizz-worthy gathering of meaningless words we see above. Any Republican? Ron Paul? Herman 999? Sessesion Perry? N-Word Ranch Perry? Former democrat Perry? Have a heart for educatin illegals Perry? Pro Choice Romney? Pro life Romney? Universal Health Care Romney? Job-exporting Romney?

Or will it be $2 gas Bachmann? "Let's investigate un-American Congressmen" Bachmann? Pray away the gay Bachmann? First Obama got us involved in Libya, and now we are going into Africa Bachmann?

Or will it be the electric fence and Mexican-eating alligators Cain? 999....ooops! Scratch that. 9 0 9 Cain? Blacks are brainwashed Cain? Apples to oranges Cain? Uzbecki becki becki stan stan Cain?

If you want to see zippy the clown, kcchief, look at what you have to choose from. Look at the thrice married million dollar Tiffany's tab guy talking values Newt. The Newt that was tossed by his party as Speaker.

If you want to see what a President looks like, Andy, look at the President who has collected Bush and Cheney's playing cards and delivered one after the other DEAD. Your team couldn't get 'er done. Our military and intelligence assets under the leadership of THIS administration IS. Yall's crying in your beer is not at all flattering. But it is happening none the less; no matter how ashamed republicans have become at giving America the credit.

"But let's give credit where credit's due, it's the French and the British that led on this fight and probably even led on the strike that led to his capture or to his death,"

Wrong Marco the liar Rubio. It was us. We lead this. America did it. Not the French. Not the Brits. What a jack wagon, or as you say, zippy the friggin clown.

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As said many times before, Kev...

...they're all just politicians. Romney will probably get the nod, but as said, polls say ANY GOPer a 3-4% lead over Obama (at least a couple of weeks ago). It is my intent to help send Obama back to Chi-town to resume his organizing career, and Michelle can go back to work and support him. Or, he can take up teaching his constitutional theories again...

BTW, I had a pretty good day, finished off by a couple drinks & hot tubing w/ the wife. Thanks for asking - hope yours was good, too!

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Kchief Andy. In the words of The CarbonUnit.....

"BTW, I had a pretty good day, finished off by a couple drinks & hot tubing w/ the wife. Thanks for asking - hope yours was good, too!"

THAT'S THE STUFF!

On the road with my youngest, "bringing him up in the ways...." :-)

Cheers

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when did Rubio ever claim that?

Is that the new Dem talking point since their current non-Prez guy but much more in the spotlight and heartbeat-away Joe Biden is running around making himself look like an idiot as usual? I have never seen Rubio claim anywhere that his parents fled the Castro regime, regardless of the year. Guess the MSM is already bored with the stinky hippies occupying some parks until it gets a little cold and they retreat back to Mommy.

Anytime it appears like the Repubs have a lock on "stupid and kooky," VP Biden hits the campaign trail and proves otherwise.

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Actually Nuk

It was FOX News that dug up the quotes. Plus, It's on Rubio's Senate website.

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My dearest "I'm not a Republican" Nuk. You really showed your

inner GOP on this one. I know, man. You buy the Rubio dinner plates and cut checks to his PAC. You go to sleep at night thinking of the wonder kid from Florida who is going to save the Grand Old Party. The Christy fantasy sailed. The Perry parade ended up stuck in a dead end alley. But you had Rubio....You HAD Rubio.

This has nothing to do with Joe Biden, Nuk. This has nothing to do with Democrats. Marc Rubio lied and mislead the public by repeatedly claiming his family fled "Castro's Cuba." Castro was in Mexico when his family made their deliberate, non-forced immigration to the good ole USA. We've seen it before, Nuk. Guys in the military that tried to make themselves war heroes; dem and republican. I'm not sure why you are lashing out at Democrats. Democrats didn't make Rubio inflate his story. He is now blaming his parents for an inaccurate "oral history." He fell short in the honesty department, Nuk. No amount of Biden bashing will change that. They are politicians. Pedestals are not where they belong. If he didn't want the MSM to weigh in, he shouldn't have published his lie on line.

Now here's where you tell me you're not a republican.

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I'm not a Republican, Kevin

:)

I like Rubio who happens to be a Repub, but that's the way it goes sometimes. I've rarely in my life voted for a Dem for anything except Sam Nunn once. Given the choice between the two parties, I would tend to hold my nose and vote for the Repub unless the R is just as bad or worse, and that does happen.

As far as lashing out at Dems and Biden in particular...you ask why? Because it's fun, Kevin! Why not? :) Just like you don't pass up many chances to take shots at some Repubs(and neither do i for that matter)

Here's another take on the whole Rubio dust-up:
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=47026

The Rubio stuff sounded like the usual lamestream media BS, but I definitely recall now when Rubio said "I am the son of exiles" part. It was during his victory speech last year and I was watching it and I am like 99% sure he said that exact phrase. If so, maybe he DID in fact embellish some of his heritage a bit.

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Nuk. We need to get to know KCChief...

And hold the next blogger summit in his hot tub.... and invite Hooters or Twin Peaks um..... employees.

We'll see where this takes Rubio. As for hair plugs, I like his willingness to mix it up. "Don't mess with me, pal."

Democrats have been portrayed as cry babies soft on foreign threats for far too long. Barack has destroyed the "soft on terrorism" part. Joe is turning repuclicans into cry babies.

Yes, he said rape, burglary, and murder is up in Flint; Flint who's police force was gutted. If PTC fired half their force, and a Dollar store was robbed.... again, what would the reaction be? We'd want a Biden saying "Hire these cops back!" That's what Flint needs.

Off to be a bad example for my youngest :-). I wonder what Herman Cain's stand on abortion will be when I next sit at my laptop :-D.

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kevin: Yes

Now that kcchiefandy has let it out of the bag that he's got a hot tub and doesn't mind some libations, he's VIP at the next get together.

As far as Joe Biden.....please. The guy makes Dan Quayle look scholarly. I'm not even getting into Biden's shortcomings right now when the weather is a great Fall day to get out and about and to enjoy.

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nuk, kcchiefandy & libations

nuk, you need to understand that when andy was in the Army, he was a member of a group known for its imbibing and for having little to zero couth while doing so! I should know--I was part of the same group!

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Careful, NUK...

...I'll 'spur' you while you sleep! Now, go reset the Zero clock...here's a wrench!

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ahg/kchief:The LRC Crew?

Lewd Rude and Crude? I was in a fraternity during the Animal House era so I can probably re-live some of that again. Let me check my position on the liver transplant list before committing fully :)

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Senator Rubio's News Release

If you're really interested in the "rest of the story", go to Sanate.GOV and check our his news releases.

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Don't misunderstand AtHomeGym

I like him. I think he'd be a very strong VP candidate. I fear that in this political environment where not paying SSI for a nanny apparently disqualifies you for political office, his chances are shot or at least diminished. It's past being nuts. Why would anybody run for anything? When Reagan ran against Carter, both sides always refereed to "my distinguished opponent". Now it's just character assassination from day one backed up by millions of dollars of negative advertising. And look where we've ended up.

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JeffC & Rubio

I can understand why you would like him--I suspect you have much in common, like I did with Sam Nunn & David Boren.

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From Frederick Douglas/change?

114 years ago, Frederick Douglass provided the explanation for

why people are so hard on President Obama.
The quote below is worth remembering next time we are invited to pile on.
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“Though the colored man is no longer subject to barter and sale, he is
surrounded by an adverse settlement which fetters all his movements.
In his downward course he meets with no resistance, but his course upward
is resented and resisted at every step of his progress. If he comes in ignorance,
rags and wretchedness he conforms to the popular belief of his character,
and in that character he is welcome; but if he shall come as a gentleman,
a scholar and a statesman, he is hailed as a contradiction to the national faith
concerning his race, and his coming is resented as impudence. In one case
he may provoke contempt and derision, but in the other he is an affront to pride and provokes malice.”

Frederick Douglass
September 25, 1883

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Davids mom

People are hard on Obama because he is immature, can't lead, and lies to the American public on a daily basis.

His race has nothing to dow with it. When are you race mongers going to get that through your thick skull?

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Race mongers grizz?

Maybe when your right-wing race mongers like Thomas Sowell who said "Herman Cain is more black than Obama", and Herman Cain who said "Obama has never been part of the Black experience" stop trying to play the race card.

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JeffC - Race Card

Why do you suppose these two gentlemen made such statements?

Could it be that Mr. Obama is more African than American in his thinking? That Mr. Obama did not come out of the black experience in America but from the "Dreams of My Father". Mr. Obama spent most of his formative life outside the country or in the multicultural state of Hawaii. He was born of a white mother and a black African father both academics. He certainly did not live the life of a typical black citizen of the 48 states.

If you look at Mr. Obama in this context then Dr. Sowell and Mr. Cain's remarks make sense. This is far from playing a race card it is a statement of opinion based on the facts.

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PTCO

You're reaching! Obama didn't live the life of most of us, unless we were raised in Hawaii. He is still an accomplished American who was elected President. What is your point? Unfortunately too many of our youth are raised without knowing our history or the history of our neighbors. Too many of our youth do not have the support of a dedicated mother and grandparents. Not all of those who had advantages make it to the White House or the CEO table, regardless of their color. You and I had advantages, but we're right here in Fayette County. Did our color have anything to do with that?

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Well PTCO

One side's opinions are the other side's playing the race card. The left is attacking Cain because he was not involved in the Civil Rights movement so the right is attacking Obama because he wasn't either. It's a game both sides play. I can't see how any of it is relevant to the election. It's just politics. Well, it's also a statement on the dismal state of our political atmosphere, but still, just politics as usual.

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JeffC - I

agree with you.

Race is not relevant to the election.

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DM you soooo live in the past

1883...if Douglas was alive do you think he would still be saying that? I doubt it. You love to live in the past and look/hint for sympathy. Have you noticed that no one is giving it to you?

I can only imagine that your life is so void of anything close to normal that you go on a blog year after year and hope for some kind of validation that whitie is out to get you. You are really pathetic.

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114 yrs ago: LOL

Yet again we have pearls of racism from our resident racist who likes to pull the race card.

"but his course upward is resented and resisted at every step" Really ???? Is that why we have a black man as president and another black man leading the race as his opponent???? It must be hard for you to dream up reasons to pull the race card everyday.

Your sad attempts at pulling the race card for every blue sky you see is laughable. It is really hard to take you seriously. Thanks again for the laugh and the trip into the 1800's.

Maybe people are hard on obumbles for the same reason we are hard on all politicians: because they are all INCOMPETENT!! They(politicians) typically are the most hopelessly morally bankrupt, incompetent fools that couldn't make money running a lemonade stand if you gave them the lemonade for free. Look no further than our local band of crooks: they are lazy, ethically challenged, fools that wouldn't do the right thing unless they were paid double the money they take under the table to do the wrong thing.

Are you picking on all Americans or just the white ones dm? Is it because you think only white people have a problem with obumbles? Do you honestly think that only white people have a problem with the fact that the unemployment rate doubled during his time in office or that the deficit tripled under his watch?
Bush was no prize to be sure, when he left office the unemployment rate was 5.6 and the deficit was 4 trillion. Instead of correcting the problem obumbles doubled down like a drunk sailor in vegas. That is why his approval rating is low. It has nothing to do with the boggy -whiteman in your dreams. Yes I think you dream this junk up . Sweet dreams. Tomorrow is a new day and I'm sure you'll come up with a new race card to play.

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"We hold these truths to be self evident..." 2 old to be valid ?

Huh Skyspy? And did you EVER whistle by the graveyard of Herman Cain's and Thomas Sowell's quotes. Like they weren't even there. Barack the magic negro..... Barack HUSSEIN Obama who was "born in Kenya." Barack who "has a hatred for white people." You are incredibly talented at ignoring every single racist word that comes out of your fellow conservative bloggers' or republican mouth pieces' mouths.... but don't dare pass up an old quote from David's mom.

Remember the cute "There is an African lion in the zoo and an African lying in the White House" poster at the DC Tea Party rally? I remember it, because no one was tearing at it or trying to obscure it. The 99% white Tea Partiers were smiling. You know who they went after? A guy with a "Universal Health Care Now" poster. They found THAT too offensive. I'll link to both of those for you if you want to play the "it didn't happen" game.

No other president in my life has been attacked as un-American, hating America, not really even BEING American. Never have I seen elected GOPers paid by tax payer dimes try to actually craft B.S. birth certificate legislation trying to prove THEIR President was not REALLY THEIR President. Your party has lost it's mind. Sorry. Only a party which is lost in anger could wrap itself around a "N-Word Head Ranch" candidate for POTUS. Or a guy who wants to fry Mexicans with a fence if the alligators don't eat them. Think about that...... but you probably won't.

ps. About the very well spoken "Obumbles" (talk about credibility issues), exactly which of his policies that Republicans did not block and fillibuster, caused our deficit to continue growing? Are you saying it has nothing to do with the Bush tax policies that HAVE NOT CHANGED? Nothing to do with the Bush initiated military involvement in Afghanistan and Iraq that have not ended? Nothing at all to do with GOP pollicies that have been continued? You know better, Skyspy. I KNOW that you know better.

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kevink, your "racism" has never been more self evident.

If you have no other argument but race to defend your candidates actions you have no argument at all.

It's telling that you chose not to argue your candidate's accomplishments but then again using the race card is easier for you isn't it?

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Bad_PTC, at the risk of sounding like an arse......

You honestly have never argued your point very well after 2 am :-). As a matter of fact, I'm still trying to determine WHAT your point is. This isn't a "defend Obama's accomplishments" blog. Let's make this an academic moment, shall we?

This particular blog starts out noting how horrible the GOP presidential candidates are and how inconsistent their past and present stances are.

For "defense" of my candidate, I note how the horrible GOP candidates dislike him so much they can't even call our victories "victories." Here I point out the death of Qadhaffi Kaddaffi Gaddafi with no loss of U.S. lives. Very predictably the "we hate this President" crowd has played the "credit anyone but Obama" tune to a Tee. Elswhere in the very recent past I have pointed out their refusals to give "Obumbles" (skyspeak) ANY credit even with Osama Bin Laden's death. How did you miss it, Bad? I even resurrected an old Mike King inaccurate post born from internet rumors that featured "quotes" from our President which he never even uttered.

David's Mom used an, IMHO, timeless quote to explain why this personal dislike and refusal to acknowledge ANY accomplishment of the Obama White House might exist.

Skyspy and Suggarfoot (Miss there are two many black people working at Delta in Atlanta, with their big butts) dismissed the quote based purely on it's age.

I offer Our Declaration of Independence, from WAY back in 1776, as an example of why a dismissal of a quote based purely on its age is simplistic and shallow.

And then you show up......... and deliver an "It's 2am and I need more coffee" retort. Dude. I understand. I've been there. That's why I hate D period sims. Hard to corral any coherent thoughts back side of the clock.

If you get the time, I am interested in your take on the N-Word Head Ranch, "The Barack the magic negro" song, and the moat full of alligators and electrified fence that will kill Mexicans. You can continue ignoring the Thomas Sowell quote. Most everyone else ignores him too.

Cheers.

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Kevink, prophesize yourself as you see fit

Please kevenk, if you wish to chastise Sky spy, or someone else, please do it at his or her expense, not mine.

“Barack the magic negro..... Barack HUSSEIN Obama who was "born in Kenya." Barack who "has a hatred for white people”.

"There is an African lion in the zoo and an African lying in the White House."

These are your words, pray tell, have I misquoted you?

If you had taken the time to search these blogs you would have found that I’ve always referred to Pres. Obama as Pres. Obama; not ‘pers’, not ‘chicken man’, not anything derogatory.

President Obama is the President of my country and I will always refer to him as such. (I happen to love my country)

That you, and others, need to delve deep down and attempt to use the race card to defend your position or the thought processes of the current administration is your problem, not mine.

P.S. Use the race card as often as you can, the more often it's used the less it will be observed.

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DM = Kevin?

Sometimes I think you are the same person.

Can either of you blog on this board for 1 week and not pull race or the pity pot into it?

I ran into a black friend I hadn't seen in years. We were talking about some of our memorial passengers. It was her statement that above all else, she really disliked the ones that demanded she upgrade them because they were a 'sister' traveling on a deeply discounted ticket. She talked about the 'cat calling' after her because she wouldn't. Her statement was, "I'm a person, not to be labeled black or white, just right"

My child had someone over not to long ago who was latino. I asked the two of them to fix a gutter for me. They had me rolling in the floor with jokes like 'jee Mom, you think all Mexicans belong on the roof?' etc. They hit hard and were funny. This next generation is so over your BS.

You two belong in the stone age or in the zoo. Can you talk of nothing else?

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Suggar. Did you spike your coffee this morning?

So, what's up with the Latino kid / roof story? I didn't follow. Did you tell the Latino kid how you walked through the Atlanta airport and saw no white Delta employees? Did you tell him how too many blacks work for Delta in Atlanta and are ruining the experience for Delta customers? How they have, in your words, "big butts" and look terrible in the uniform? Did you tell him how you feel all of these black employees are keeping whites from being hired? Are YOU seriously trying to reinvent yourself as some sort of post racism Mother Theresa?

Yeah, I like a bit of Bailey's in my coffee in the mornin' too. Talk about hard hitting and funny jokes.

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Bad, you're just not a morning person are you .

Hint: The quotes weren't mine. They were actually spoken by others and lend credibility to the quote given by D to the M.

Hint 2: I did address Sky "Obumbles" Spy and Sugar "too many blacks at Delta" foot. For some reason you tripped and fell into this blog on of your own accord. I didn't say, "Hey Bad_PTC. Come say something completely off base so I can continue writing into the wee hours."

Get some rest mate. I think I will.

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Just a quick note, Kev,...

If a POTUS wants 'credit' for acts during his administration, he needs to take credit for ALL that happens under his watch - good or bad. But, politicians are just that, politicians. They so quickly lose all credibility granted them while campaigning once in office, and failure to accept the responsibility requisite in their position leads to even greater loss of such.

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Kchief Andy. Well said, sir. You have a point.

You state it well. The "But Bush" argument does not work anymore. It is an Obama Biden economy . I do believe that republicans fillibusturing absolutely every idea the democrats try to implement allows them to accurately share the blame for nothing getting done. I am very glad the GOP presidential candidates are weak. That's the ONLY reason President Obama has a good chance of a second term; that and the pile of dead tyrants amassing under his leadership. And to think Cheney thought Obama would be weak on terrorism. Who knew Dick could be so wrong.

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KevinK & who says "no"

Currently in BZN and yesterday read a well-reasoned article in local paper written by Senator Tester, explaining why he voted "NO" on the President's Jobs bill. So you see (and you knew anyway), it's not just Repubs who don't like the admin's proposals, it's also Dems, esp in the Senate. The word "amateurish" comes to mind when trying to explain some actions of the administration.

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Come on now athome. 2 dems. And ALL repubs against it.

The votes against are PARTISAN

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3 other Dems won't vote for it either

They stated they voted to end the filibuster but wouldn't vote for the bill as is.
No Repub is stupid enough to vote for another govt stimulus program right now that does nothing at all to cut spending and simply takes from one group to give to another, especially when that "other group" is government employees. They are doing what they promised when they were running for election.

Reid and Obama think these votes are good for campaigning, but 72% of Americans right now think the Repubs would do better managing the economy than Obama/Dems, so I don't know. Considering how poorly the public feels about govt employees and govt unions these days and even less than half of Dems think public employees should even be able to unionize, don't think the Repubs have to worry about that vote.

You want to see bipartisanship? It just happened on the 3 free trade agreements that passed with overwhelming Repub support. Send something to Congress that involves cutting spending and I'm sure that too would be met with an even higher level of Repub support. If it involves raising taxes without cutting spending, bailing out states, going into debt further, or pure demagoguery, they had better keep voting NO if they want to have a chance in elections next year.

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Nuk - from Rasmussen

As of Oct. 20:

Following a fiery debate Tuesday night, Texas Governor Rick Perry now trails President Obama by eight points in the latest 2012 hypothetical matchup.

Can't wait to see the poll report for today!

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Perry

Rick "Homeboy" Perry has a lot of money raised to stay a contender for a long time and stay in the headlines, which isn't too good for Repubs.

DM, you left out how Obama is doing vs. Romney in the polls and it's nothing like vs. Perry. Tied or trailing by a few.

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Perry's Toast

The final blow to Al Gore's former Texas campaign manager was the Romney beat down at the last debate, if Perry had been a dog challenging the alpha male pack leader we would have been able to see Perry's tail between his legs!

Of course his forced Gardasil policy and his condescending "you don't have a heart" remarks didn't help his cause either. -GP

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You think so GaPat?

I saw it totally different. I saw Romney as the one who finally lost his cool. I expected Perry to attack; that's how he campaigns. Far from the final blow, Perry is now gearing up with a $15 million war chest and he's going to use it to attack Romney. Perry will stay in at least through SC and FL. It's Cain who is sinking. He abandoned part of his 9-9-9 plan today; now it's 9-0-9. It's a ridiculous plan which doesn't add up either way. How can he go from 9-9-9 to 9-0-9 and remain even remotely credible? I like him personally but he's an amateur playing way out of his league. He'll have his own show on FOX by February. Perry is going to steal the ABR vote.

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Cain Leads Obama in NC!

http://www.nccivitas.org/2011/civitas-poll-cain-leads-obama-in-n-c/

What the public wants to see is R's ending the circular firing squad practice and go after Obama's policies! -GP

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True, Kev...

Thank God Cheney & Bush enhanced our intel communities, and their abilities, during their time, something their predecessor failed miserably to do, and look what it led to.

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Kc

So where was this expertise on 9-11? Please.

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DMom & expertise on 9/11

Sorry KC, I can't resist!--DMom, surely you recognize that administration change took place in Jan--it is unreasonable to expect much of a buildup in intel resources between Jan andSept. If the previous administration had been more on top of what the FBI was doing or NOT doing, lmaybe things would have been different. Most important is history since then and the successes realized by our intel resources.

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DM, they were busy...

...cleaning up the shop from the previous 8 years of leadership failure. True, they should have taken the intel discovered after-the-fact more seriously, but then again FDR should have seen Pearl Harbor coming, too. If you noticed, the foiled many continued attempts to attack us since, and that mindset has carried on to benefit the Obama administration, and, keep us protected.

IRISH DOWN USC BY 10!!

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Stop with the Excuses Kev

potus had your liberal tin foil hat club in charge of both the house and the senate for the first 2yrs of his term. They had 2yrs. to put their wild spending plans into place to save the whole world. It didn't work with solyndra being the most recent glaring failure.

Spending money you don't have to fix a debt problem is like throwing a drowning man a 5 gallon pail of water to save him. It DOSEN'T WORK!

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Skyspy. Your silence on racist ranches is noted.

I'm not excusing anyone. Just wishing you the luck you'll need in trying to pin the whole deficit and unemployment rate on Obama. Still love you though ;-)

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Race mongers

It's so easy to bring out their ignorance. Thank you PTCO, Sky, Suggarfoot, Grizz, bad and a few others. The debate and resulting polls show that most Republicans DON'T look at color today - but when one tuned in on the right wing UN-balanced news, it was 'hit' Cain hard before he enters the primaries with a substantial lead and the Republicans/tea party promote a 'black' man for president. Jeff feels that they won't - and it looks like they (Republicans) are coming out predicting that his 9 9 9 will fissle. We'll see. By the way, just to remind you, my 114 year old quote by Douglas came AFTER the Constitution. Are you prone to want to ignore that OLD document? ( Or just statements made by a 'black man' who doesn't represent your current thought)

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Race mongers = DM?

sorry, but I can't help feeling the shoe fits on YOUR FOOT, not ours.

Race Monger - They feed off racial tension and they live and die by racism. They offer nothing new, nothing good, nothing to repair, only conflict between the races, socially irresponsible

.............

It seems by definition, what is written above is what people have accused you of for years, and you have admitted time and again you only want to talk race on here, or bring it into the conversation. That is what you HARP on and people tell you repeatedly, they aren't interested, that you are old, stale. What part of that do you not get?

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Suggarfoot - thanks for the definition!
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sorry, but I can't help feeling the shoe fits on YOUR FOOT, not ours.
Race Monger - They feed off racial tension and they live and die by racism. They offer nothing new, nothing good, nothing to repair, only conflict between the races, socially irresponsible
It seems by definition, what is written above is what people have accused you of for years, and you have admitted time and again you only want to talk race on here, or bring it into the conversation. That is what you HARP on and people tell you repeatedly, they aren't interested, that you are old, stale. What part of that do you not get?

What have you offered as new, or pointed out what good is apparent in race-relations in Fayette County? I rest my case!

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I DON'T!!!!

"What have you offered as new, or pointed out what good is apparent in race-relations in Fayette County? I rest my case!"

I don't WANT to talk about RACE-RELATIONS! Daahh. What part of that don't you get. YOU ARE THE ONLY PERSON WHO DOES! That is what everyone keeps telling you. Your ideas are fossilized!

NO ONE WANTS TO TALK RACE BUT YOU!

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Suggarfoot

You are cordially invited not to respond to any of my posts concerning 'race'. LOL.

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LOL You are Irrelevant dm

obumbles approval rating is low because people of all races and political parties including the tin foil hat dems, disapprove of how he is managing our country. It has nothing to do with the big old bad white man in your sad little mind.

Feel free to join the rest of your fellow Americans in the 21st century. It will be a change for you though because you will have to drop the poor me race card thing that you enjoy so much. Have good day. Turn your frown upside down and get out and enjoy this beautiful day.

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Davids mom - Oh that's rich DM

Oh that's rich DM! You, the RR (resident racist) in these blogs, want to accuse other contributors of race mongering.

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'DOUGLASS' -

Don't type angry, DM!

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Thanks for the correction Kc

How will the non-race mongers react to:
1. Ending the war in Iraq
2. Assisting bringing terrorists to justice
3. Bringing troops home as promised
4. Cooperating with allies (including United Arab) in helping free citizens from tyrannical rule
5. Working to get a Congress with the lowest rating in history to get jobs for the American people

Vote for Cain to represent the Republicans! I'm voting for Obama! Early primaries!! Yea!
Racism? Non-existent? Certainly not among the candidates who have a ranch using the 'N'word. Or bloggers who think it's humorous to talk about Mexicans on the roof; or welfare shoppers in The Avenue; or blacks who don't agree with their ideology must be 'brainwashed'; or anything said years ago by a black man is irrelevant, but a document written BEFORE by a group of 'white ' guys is still relevant . The TRUTH is always relevant! Enjoy the news!! Can't wait for the 'real' debates. Anyone vs. Obama! Checkmate again!

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Davids mom. It is kibd of funny that white folks are telling us

Racism is dead. It's like me telling women there is no sexism. After all, I'm not feeling it, so it must not exist. Herman Cain even admitted it exists to his church family, but said he didn't want to agitate the tea party. Very telling. Who is more likely to get the tougher sentence: A black guy caught with crack or a white man caught with powdered cocaine? Nah. No racism these days.

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Kevin - the 'silent' race mongers

I guess they have forgotten their arguments regarding 'reverse racism'! Yup - no racism these days! LOL. Certainly no racism is being discussed in the election of 2012. These guys are so predictable! I celebrated the race- relations in Fayetteville,GA - and their silence was deafening!!

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kevin: a better argument

Forget the crack vs. powder comparison because the other truth is a lot worse: the majority of crack users are WHITE, not black. Yet, of all people sentenced for crack, 79% are black and only 10% are white. THAT'S where the huge racial disparity is. Of course, all the cop organizations had to say about anything was "let's raise the sentencing for powder cocaine a lot higher!" since they have a very vested personal interest in tougher drugs laws creating more jobs for them and their brethren. At least Bush's DEA folks had the common sense to call the existing crack laws as "disgraceful" and undermining all of the drug enforcement community.

While drugs laws are hopelessly stupid, totally ineffective, and considered the greatest thing ever by Mexcian cartels and organized crime, the mandatory 5 year felony conviction for a tiny amount of crack was one of the dumbest out there until finally getting reformed by the Fair Sentencing Act last year.

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Kevink & Drug Arrest Situation

Kevin, you know there are many factors that would determine how each is treated, and one of those most important would be "priors". I do not believe that skin color alone would be a major factor in the prosecution.

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drug sentencing

One rather obscure fact behind some of the numbers is that those getting sentences for crack possession also had in the majority of cases a firearm with them and also happened to be prohibited from such due to prior convictions. Then you also had the noise from a lot of urban cities where crack became a real blight demanding "action NOW!!!" and even a few blaming the government for inventing it in order to re-enslave the black community. With that uproar, it's not surprising that the resulting laws and enforcement of such got harsh in a hurry.

Another stat that isn't really tracked is that crackheads and methheads are further gone than your "powder cocaine user." The chances of some crack/methhead cleaning up and later having success in life is a lot less than the bonehead who is snorting powder coke up his nose and whose habit relies upon lots and lots of money to continue indulging. This snorter is also not buying his "product" on street corners while toting a gun with a previous felony conviction on his record in a lot of cases.

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I reallllly hate dredging up this racism topic AGAIN...

...as I'm outside looking in when it comes to this touchy subject here in the South, of course it's everywhere. There's no place for it, it does exist - on 'both' sides (or between more than just b & w's), it will for a long, long time, it's getting better - I believe, and we ALL need to be on guard to stop it when we see it. That's all I have to say here.

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Kc- Racism
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There's no place for it, it does exist - on 'both' sides (or between more than just b & w's), it will for a long, long time, it's getting better - I believe, and we ALL need to be on guard to stop it when we see it

No matter the ideological belief, most Americans agree with you. There has been great progress in my lifetime - and most young people that I observe in FC are on guard.

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