Herman Cain and Mitt Romney at odds with Ronald Reagan and The Tea Party.

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How many times a day do we hear Republican politicians decry "class warfare" anytime the idea of raising historically low tax rates on the wealthiest Americans is offered as part of comprehensive economic reform? Mitt Romney has even given the term "class warfare" new meaning by describing the peaceful "Occupy Wall Street" protest as.... you guessed it! Class Warfare. President Obama has finally decided to point out the absurdity of this argument, while highlighting the blatant double standard applied by all who use this term to describe adjusting tax rates up a whopping 5% on families making north of $250,000 per year.

"http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/10/gop-never-accused-reagan-of-class-warfare-for-tax-plan-obama-says/"

Reagan himself said it is "crazy" for an employee to pay a higher tax rate than the company he works for." Reagan said it is wrong for a bus driver to pay a higher tax rate than a millionaire. Yet the same politicians who use the "class warfare" claim genuflect to Reagan's name at every opportunity.

And, born out of the Tea Party spirit of peaceful protest, we see the "Occupy" movement's birth. A group of citizens have banded together, as did the Tea Party, to protest what they see as an abuse of monetary policy at the corporate level. They see a problem with corporations and banks receiving tax-payer funded bailouts, yet refusing to free up money to those wanting to buy homes and start businesses. They are exercising their right to protest peacefully. So what do the GOP front-runners have to say about this peaceful protest?

Mitt Romney calls it "class warfare." Herman "Federal Reserve banker" Cain calls it "Un-American." Seriously! He called American citizens protesting against perceived abuses of economic power and policy "un-American." So what does he think of the Tea Party? Are they now un-American? Or can Americans not dare protest economic power? Only governmental power?
Even more confusing is Herman Cain telling the Occupy Wall Street crowd to protest the White House for not creating jobs. Someone needs to tell him that the party he wishes to lead is telling us the government CANNOT CREATE JOBS. It's been stated here many times by many a conservative. If that is the case, why does Herman Cain criticize the government for not doing what his party says is impossible?

As Mitt Romney describes corporations as "people," and Herman calls peaceful protesters of bailed-out corporations "un-American," middle America suffers, and Reagan's words exemplify what his party calls Marxist, Socialist class warfare.

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Barrack Hussein Obama at Odds with majority of Americans

Barrack Hussein Obama is working to make this a socialist, marxist country and that is at odds with the rest of the country.

Obama is going to lose in 2012. Sucks to be you, huh kevin?

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Joe - wow!

Another intelligent, well thought out contribution.

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Reagan's economic policy

It might be a good idea to review/research this policy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaganomics#Economic_record

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Class warfare

The Republican field is now set. The infatuation with Cain is just the latest Anybody-But-Romney desperation by the Tea Party/Koch brothers faction. All of their candidates have crashed and burned as soon as they have been seriously looked at. Bachcmann was a nut whose only contribution was to knock Santorum out of the race. Perry seems to be self destructing nicely. His preacher's claim that Romney is not a Christian is going to spark a nasty fight and it will be fun to watch all those who tried to glue Obama to Rev. Wright now try to claim that Perry doesn't agree with his own Rev. Bigot.

So now the ABR crowd is turning to Cain who will also crumble under the scrutiny. For all the sound and fury, the Rs are going to nominate Romney because the Rs represent the moneyed interest as always.

Class warfare? Bring it on.

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Class warfare 2

Some are more familiar with the 'socialist'/'Marxist' labels that have been 'talking points' - with little relevance to the truth about what is happening in today’s political fiasco. I shared some information on Reagan economics -
and I think that it is important to get some information regarding the Koch (pronounced 'coke') brothers. I would suggest that others do their own additional research to get at the truth about this claim of 'class warfare'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_family

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/147418/koch-brothers-iran-ties-and-activ...

An informed electorate is very important this go-round. Study the history of 'taxes/deficit/ etc.' and where it has led us. Remember, this is not the same economy that FDR or Bush or Carter experienced. Cain has expressed sensible solutions - but he also has to surround himself with experts in the world economy - and the likes of Koch and others (TP supporters) is not encouraging in bringing our country out of this mess and at the same time taking those steps that will keep us SAFE and competitive in the future.

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Class Warfare 3

DM- I actually agree with some of your points, the world is a different place than when Reagan stepped into office. It is unfortunate but we are in a culture of selfishness. It is not just the rich but the poor, too. The Corporations and businesses work the middle class and working class to death, many of the poor insist on more and more handouts with no attempt to change their own destinies, the seniors fight to protect their Medicare and Social Security at all costs.

Unfortunately, we cannot legislate kindness. Socialism doesn't work, it just rewards the political class. We need to reward companies that hire Americans and treats them well, we need to reward the welfare-recipient that steps up and becomes a productive citizen..We need these rewards to go to the deserving not some government bureaucrat that throws the scraps of a good idea to its intended recipient.

I have never liked Obama, I think he is an over-educated acedemic with no real experience in the day to day world. I like Cain's ideas but agree he is into the TP line a little too much.

Pure unregulated capitalism doesn't work, same with socialism. Unfortunately, neither party seems to get it.

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Greed

It looks as if those in the streets are tired of the greed and lack of compassion for the middle class. . and unemployed. Is either party responding? What do the Dems and Repubs stand for today . . other than getting re-elected? This is 'entertaining'. Cain and Obama appear to be the only ones dealing with the issues that the American people consider important. Fascinating development. The American elect have a well thought out survey on their website. If they come up with a platform based on the peoples input, well - it will make for an interesting campaign year.

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Cain is not going to win

There is no way the Rs nominate Cain. Now that he is getting some exposure, the other candidates are going to rip him to shreds and he's not prepared for it and doesn't have the money to compete. The Rs are front stacking the election dates. Look at Florida and South Carolina. The election is going to be over quick and Cain simply doesn't have the cash to put in an organization in all the states he'll need. Romney is going to have 50 times as much money as Cain. How can Cain compete with that? The Florida election is Jan 31 and that's after Iowa, New Hampshire, and probably South Carolina.

It's going to be Romney vs. Obama with both sides holding their noses to vote against the other guy.

Interestingly, this may be the year for a third party appeal and there is going to be one. Americanselect.org is going to field somebody. The nominee is going to be selected over the internet and whoever it is, is going to be on all 50 states ballots. This should qualify whoever it is to be in the debates but of course both Parties will seriously object to that.

If you like Cain, give him money now. Time is running out.

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Tell Jimmy I said Hi..

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Falcons rise up....

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Election 2012

It is encouraging to see that the electorate is getting involved and putting on their 'marching shoes'. moc and Jeff have good points - and represent the thinking of many. All the money in the world cannot defeat the ballot box in todays technical society. There is hardly a person over 21 who does not have a 'smart phone' - and texting can be done by dedicated volunteers. Maybe this will be the year that our government represents 'the people' - and not corporate wealth. My money is still going to Obama. The majority of Americans are not afraid of 'intelligence'. . .and Obama's trips are reaching those who want to see him up-close and personal. Celebrate the freedom we have - and vote for the candidate of your choice! IMHO, Obama has tried to get bi-partisan cooperation - and is now going to do what his Democratic Party members wanted him to do - show domestic leadership as well as world leadership. If the Democrats close ranks - and the Republicans continue to disintegrate - Obama will win in 2012. I'll check out the Americanselect.org. (Great name!) The youth in the United States are tired of 'the good 'ole boy' politics as usual. Both parties are in trouble! Just checked out the Americanselect.org website. Outstanding!!

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Romney on foreign policy

Being twice as intelligent as most of the Repub field, Romney yesterday pretty much laid-out the red meat for the all the TPers who are far and away Repubs in Recovery. With his rather bold "America is a world leader and needs to always be #1" platform, he just shot heroin into the arms of Repubs and TPers and they are feeling good about it.

While a lot of America has war fatigue and the results of the wars and homeland security are hard to measure and there's definitely some noise about a more isolationist foreign policy, Romney is banking on most of the TPers deep inside believing none of that and embracing a dominant USA and a neo-con philosophy on foreign affairs. I think politically he's very shrewd to stake-out this ground when most of the field isn't even discussing it and plus his pitch was pretty strong. Give him another year and he may do a 180 :) For now, that's a winning position to take because all but the rather libertarian elements of the TP are going heartily embrace those views and I think most of the L aspects have already left the TP anyway.

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Jeff - Cain by 3rd party?

You make some good points Jeff. But if the Rep's ditch Cain he'd be a great third party candidate.

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Dude, All

Good Democrats go to bed every night and dream of any kind of third party challenge to the Repubicans, it's the insurane they need to put Mr. Obama back in the WH.

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Good Democrats go to bed every night and dream of any kind of third party challenge to the Repubicans, it's the insurane they need to put Mr. Obama back in the WH.

Yes, so the republicans had better go with the best candidate even if it is Mr Cain. To toss him aside and have him run as a 3rd party candidate may well do exactly what you're saying.

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Do republicans choose the "amnesty for illegal aliens" "N word head ranch" guy, the irs lawyer 2dolllar gas girl, the guy who thinks americans protesting power are unamerican, or the guy who is a cult member, according to Rick Perry's pastor? This is entertainment

I swear I’m not a hardcore republican. But when intelligent people digress to this level because of political party and ignore the sins of their own party, well, it makes it hard not to defend the attacked party. Now I know that Kevin is going to jump in here and say well this person said this and that person said that. And all I can say is that I’ve seen better from you Kevin. Are you trying to be like them? I for one sank to this level once before. I'm going to try not to go there again.

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G-35 Dude. I haven't sunk anywhere. Tell me what is not true.

In a general election, hunting at a Ranch known as "N-word Head" is ABSOLUTELY a problem.

As a Mormon, having a GOP front-runner's pastor call you a cult member is a problem.

In the lawyer and IRS hating Republican Tea Party, having been an IRS Lawyer IS A PROBLEM. Saying as President you will make gas $2.00 a gallon is a PROBLEM.

As a Tea Party protest candidate, calling a citizen protest "Un-American" is a PROBLEM.

G-35, step up and tell me how pointing these things out is somehow a foul, given the GOP's no holds barred style of politics. I'm all ears.

Even YOU tried to bring up the ancient history of Reverend Wright. You are NOW telling me the "Mormonism is a cult" guy is off limits? Your party placed pastors front and center. Enjoy the beast you have created.

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Dems and Repubs need to take note

Americans elect: the beginning of the 'third party' movement?

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jul/28/nation/la-na-americans-elect-201...

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Not Again

You pulled me into your game of my guy is perfect and your's stinks. I'm not going there again. Stay there if you so choose!

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G 35. I NEVER said Barack is perfect. U made that up.

Just like only REPUBLICANS call him the messiah. My guy is not running in a primary. Your folks are. They are saying crazy things and you can't defend them so you are running to the moral high ground. but your party is not. Your party is slugging it out in the mud and everything I mentioned is being used BY REPUBLICANS against eachother. I think Grizz once said, "Cry me a river." It kind of seems appropriate in this case. And, by the way, don't ever call me intelligent again :-).

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And, by the way, don't ever call me intelligent again :-).

Sorry man. Didn't mean to offend you!!!
LOL

By the way I'm not really a republican. I just like Herman Cain. He is the only one on either side that has a plan.

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Kevin

Take off your bedroom slippers, put on your marching shoes. Shake it off. Stop complaining, stop grumbling, stop crying.

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Tell 'em Joe. Can't believe the stud G35 is squeeling so.

I did see that speech to the CBC. It was awesome! Not quite a Patton speech, cause no poor ba%^&* are gonna die for their country, but it was a motivator. It was strange seeing the MSM coverage of Barack "scolding" the CBC. They must have viewed youtube clips. Cause Barack fired them up and left to thunderous applause. I think the CBC had the same feeling that Mitt Romney had when he first heard the N-Word Head ranch story! He was like, High Five! Victory Dance! Raise the roof! We got this, baby!
Anyway, you never told me whether you think the guy in the cult, the guy against Americans protesting power, the N word Head ranch guy, or the Chutzpah girl is going to beat the only adult in the room. Read me one of your "made for a bumper sticker" opinions.

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Stud G35?

The Stud G35? LOL Maybe I'll change my handle here!!!

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I met you G-35. Don't deny your swag :-)

Or tell 'em like my kids say, "Don't hate.... Appreciate" :-D.

HAve a good day mon ami'

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Cain?

Smarter than the average politician! He was criticized for not having 'townhall meetings' in certain states - but he has been on every major television show in the nation promoting his book!! He's no longer an 'unknown' to the rest of the country. If he continues with these 'straw vote wins' - and the Repubs at their convention don't put him up as their candidate - a third party may be in the future. The state primaries will tell the story - and they're beginning early this year. I wonder what response Americanelect.org will get once they're up and running.

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Headline from Wed 11/7/2012

ABO wins in a landslide!
Party on you ship of fools riding the USS BHO Titanic! -GP

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Who/what is ABO?

Excuse an old lady's ignorance. Oh - Anybody but Obama. Got it.

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It makes you wonder:

Do republicans choose the "amnesty for illegal aliens" "N word head ranch" guy, the irs lawyer 2dolllar gas girl, the guy who thinks americans protesting power are unamerican, or the guy who is a cult member, according to Rick Perry's pastor? This is entertainment

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2nd Headline the day after

In an incredible turn of events in the 2012 election, democrats running from Obama have actually decided to support a Yellow Dog!
Blue dogs were last seen cowering in a corner, still blaming Bush! -GP

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kevin: Great field huh?

That's the BEST the Repubs have to offer? Oh yeah, I forgot how they thought a Bob Dole or John McCain would also do well. Silly me. If it ends up being Romney(I think it will if sanity prevails), he's a helluva lot better than either McCain or Dole to lead a nation. If people liked Clinton and his ability to be pliable when it best served him and sometimes even the country, you can do worse than Mitt Romney.

On the other side, "eat the rich after they donate tons of money to me" Obama isn't looking so great either. Looking like a presidency in no way deserving of a second term to me, Kevin, for a variety of reasons and factors, some of which Obama had little control over, like the complete disaster that had been building for many years and will be greeting his successor smack in the face if he loses. When you have to go to battle with Pelosi, Reid and now "Baghdad Betty"/Wasserman-Schultz who may be the most partisan or idiotic political figure yet, hard to shine. Of course, Obama's agenda itself is not a winner and his only hope is that Repub incompetence lets him sneak back in. It could definitely happen since he's going to raise a humongous pile of cash even while whining about the rich. It's just the poor people making $1 donations fueling his campaign I guess.

Good luck to whoever occupies the WH starting 2013 because they are going to have to deal with problems that have been kicked down the road for decades and now are starting to have major negative impacts and won't go away with more can-kicking.

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Nuk & Repub Ticket

How about a Mitt Romney/Steve Forbes ticket?

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AHG: Probably not too diverse

Both are real similar and I think a Romney ticket would have someone with real strong appeal to social conservatives and some of what the TP favors.

I could see a Romney-Cain ticket ahead of that one. I am sort of surprised Forbes just dropped out almost completely from politics because he had some support and could have really built on it. Guess he decided he didn't REALLY want the job.

If I were on the Romney team, I'd be after Mitch Daniels big time. Rubio has no interest and several up and comers for the Repubs that happen to be "minorities" just got into office in 2010 like Rubio. Daniels is solid and could help bring over some social conservatives worried about Romney. So could Cain. I can definitely see a Romney-Cain ticket

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Nuk. You must know your opinion is one I respect.....

but even me and my momma disagree at times :-).

"eat the rich after they donate tons of money to me"

That's what you call the Reagan tax rates? Eating the rich? Many of the rich have NEVER in their lifetimes had lower tax rates, yet you consider a comprehensive approach to balancing the budget "eating the rich?"

If a family making 10 million dollars a year pays 5000 bucks more in taxes next year, what will they do without?

If the GOP killed the Department of Education and its free lunch program, what would the kids who have nothing do without?

That is where *conservatives are today, Nuk. You guys are protecting Bill Gates and throwing fixed income seniors, literally, into the street. It seems folks in the PTC bubble have no idea that in a bad economy there are more people one social security or minimum wage paycheck away from homelessness. You guys seem to not have a clue or a care.

Herman Cain calls it envy. I call it hunger.

Anyway, the President you feel is a failure has delivered the heads of more terror cell leaders in three years than his predecessors did in 8 years. Don't dare tell your conservative friends who use to actually care about that sort of thing. And every idea he has for boosting the economy is met by an intransigent House, who, by the way, have a shared RESPONSIBILITY to seek solutions to our problems as well.

And, finally, truth be known, a Romney Presidency does not scare me a bit. It would show yet another facet of America's diversity and acceptance of cultures and religions. He just needs to see the wizard and get a freakin spine.

Cheers

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Hunger? Ha ha ha ha - that's a good one kevin

Spouting crap again kevin?!?! Oh the poor overweight fat chillens!

Lower-Income Neighborhoods Associated With Higher Obesity Rates

They found that neighborhoods with decreased economic and social resources have higher rates of obesity.

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kevin: It is eat the rich

I have no problem repealing all the Bush tax cuts. I accept that as inevitable because there isn't enough spine to drastically cut spending and reduce the size and role of govt. My point is that Obama typically refers to the "rich" as "millionaires and billionaires" and then you look at his proposals and they hike taxes on anyone/couple making 250K. That ain't rich, it's counter-productive to job growth through small and medium businesses, and it IS class warfare.

Almost 50% of Americans pay zero federal taxes and a good chunk of those actually get tax "refunds" on taxes they don't pay. Let everyone "participate" in the federal govt getting its financial house in order by contributing some. Repealing all the Bush tax cuts or even returning to Reagan era tax rates for EVERYONE would do that. Simply playing Robin Hood penalizes one segment and rewards another and that rewarded segment happens to be overwhelmingly Dem voters. What a coincidence!

When Obama only wants to raise taxes on people making 250K and higher a year and tells a corporation like BOA that they have no right to make a certain profit level, it's class warfare demagoguery, not an attempt at any kind of solution.

As far as the intransigent House, tough luck. After watching the tactics and utter BS that ramrodded Obamacare through, what did anyone expect to happen the next time the Repubs gained control? Since the Repubs took over the House on a specific campaign platform and won by a historic margin, they are simply doing what they said they would do and got them elected.

It was the Senate who refuses as usual to vote on anything that might require a spine and they won't bring Obama's plan to the floor for a vote. Or vote on a budget. That isn't a problem with the House.

Eliminating the DOE doesn't mean doing away with free or subsidized lunches or student loans. The federal govt doesn't have to be involved in order for states to receive block grants for education and being a guarantor for student loan financing in conjunction with banks.

There's always going to be a portion of society that is one welfare check, social security check or paycheck from being out of the street. Even if the "poverty level" was restated and not grossly overestimated as it presently is in the US, there are still going to a portion of Americans for a variety of reasons that need assistance. That's true in good times or bad times. It's not spite or dislike of poor people or being heartless to their plight...it's life. There will be always be winners and losers and hopefully a safety net to keep the poor, disabled, etc. from total collapse. It's paying for the safety net and its runaway growth that's the issue. You cannot do it simply by raising taxes either and that's all Obama wants to talk about besides more govt spending and more govt jobs.

BTW, I am NOT conservative except in the fiscal sense. Conservatives like things the way they are, want to go back to the 1950's, no change, no progress. They also believe limited government unless their the majority party and then that goes out the window. No thanks. I'm a lot more "progressive" than so-called progressives(new term I guess for Liberal these days) like Pelosi and Boxer who both vocally opposed California legalizing pot.

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Nuk. Thanks for the response bro.

But you're all wrong :-). We gotta break bread and solve these problems once and for all :-). And, as you know, I'm voting Mytmite :-()

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Romney-Cain

Romney will get the GOP nomination.

I hope he picks Cain for VP. He would have to do something to suck up to the Tea Party/social conservatives who dominate the Republican Party these days.

Cain would be the Palin of 2012.

Cain is not as attractive as Palin but is just as stupid and bizzare and would be an irresponsible choice to serve as VP.

Obama wins. America chooses intelligence for President of the United States.

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Ok lion, that is a good call on the election. Now, what's next?

Meaning what happens to the country? Obama's second term (with or without Biden) is not something I want to see.

But if that happens what is going to happen to the country? Better or worse?

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Obama

Obama would be a responsible President in his second term.

Relax. He is a moderate Democrat. The United States will be in good hands.

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Lion - Moderate Democrat?

LOL, you're the best Lion really. Classic.

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Robert Morgan, what would Perry or Romney do?

What would they do to ease the burden on less economically advantaged Americans? What is the magic plan you think will come to fruition if President Obama is defeated? And has that plan EVER ACTUALLY WORKED?

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Lower taxes encourage small businesses to expand

that creates jobs and that helps the millions of unemployed - or at least some of them. I assume that's the "less economically advantaged Americans" you speak of. Yes, it works every time it is tried and federal taxes actually increase in terms of dollars taken in, even though the % is lower. Now if the "less advantaged" you refer to are instead the slugs and layabouts and welfare queens, I doubt much help will be coming their way. Since they are non-productive - meaning users who cost us all money without contributing anything, I believe they should lose their right to vote until they are gainfully employed. That's what a real conservative would do, but I doubt Perry or Romney is one.

Cain's 9-9-9 plan, on the other hand has real potential to get us into a true recovery mode. Obama's version is a 50-50-1 plan just plain sucks. The tax the rich thing is just plain stupid and doesn't really raise revenue or create jobs. pure politics.

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Robert. You exemplify your party's main problem.

Ideas and memories not based on reality.

Taxes were cut ten years ago. The cut taxes to grow the economy idea ended with the tax cutting president, George Bush, putting tax payers on the hook for our first ever TROUBLED ASSET RELIEF PROGRAM. And jobs did not flow from his presidency due to the shift of wealth towards the top two percent. That is the reality you guys ignore.

What about that 9 9 9 plan? Turn it upside down. What a stunt it is. How coincidental that the magic rates are all 9%. But Herman won't say who his economists are. He wont even say whether the plan is progressive, flat, or regressive. And with no data y'all are lapping it up. And it will end up egg on the face as usual. Re cycled candidates. Recycled ideas. And a splash of snake oil

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Good Morning Kevin...

...Hope this day has found you well, for by reading your posts I realize that you are in good spirits.

If I might, should you and I and others take the time to use Mr Cain's 9-9-9 Plan as a framework, I'm sure we could develop a tax code far more representative of what this country needs than what we're currently stuck with. What I would try and get you to consider is that Mr Cain is a breath of fresh air compared to the entrenched blowhards this nations continues to send to Washington.

Further, in my opinion, taxes are not the major impediment to an improved economy, but out of control spending is. We could have the most representative tax code possible, but it would be of no value when even our upper house of the Legislative Branch refuses to enact a Constitutionally mandated budget.

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Hey Mike. Every day the sun shines or I jump in the surf is ...

A good one. Hope all is well. I've been having as much fun as middle age will allow. Got some funny stories to share next adult outing!

Sorry I can't agree on Cain. I find him as stale as week old bread; not much fresh. He's a federal reserve banker calling Americans protesting "un-American." I find a wealthy guy calling protesters "jealous" to be VERY unpresidential.
His bigotry toward Muslim Americans is unacceptable. And his silence when asked to weigh in on his view of Mormonism is less than brave. He had no problem with muslim straight talk, but he wont touch the Mormon issue.
Add to that a made up 999 plan with no data and I see a fatally flawed candidate. Sorry. I would like to like him as presidential material. He has a great story. But his mouth is killing him.

Huntsman, Romney are the only GOPers I think have the ability to lead the whole country; not just the right.

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Well, Kevin, since no one on earth is totally infallible I would offer that either of the two gentlemen you mention plus Mr Cain are unquestionably the top three. I can certainly support either one.

In an earlier post you mentioned something about Mr Cain needing better handlers, and perhaps he does. As is, to me he is just being brutally honest. Something that few politicians can claim. It seems to me that in bygone eras we've elected guys like him such as Kennedy, Eisenhower, T Roosevelt, Truman, Grant, and Jackson to name a few.

Every so often I believe this country can use a dose of reality from its Commander In Chief.

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Mike, I've met Teddy Roosevelt.

Teddy Roosevelt was a friend of mine. Herman Cain, sir, is no Teddy Roosevelt. Sounds good on paper :-).
Reverend Cain (he is a minister) has made himself unelectable with his broad anti-Muslim brush strokes. Muslim American soldiers will not be subject to a commander in chief who feels in his heart their religion disqualifies them from any job or govt position. Bet on that. Cain is, as Sarah Palin says, the flavor of the week. A Campaign donationl to him is wasted money in my opinion.

As a side note, it is worth reminding everyone that when the republican legislators and democratic president balanced the budget, it was done by CUTTING spending AND RAISING taxes. That approach, which republicans are blocking, is what has been proven to work.

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Kev, you are only saying you knew Teddy Roosevelt because Round

is not here to dispute it. You know darn well that Roundie helped found the Rough Riders with Teddy and led him up San Juan Hill. Poor little fella is probably sitting at home chomping at the bit to get on this site. Too bad we don't know where he lives or we could all go over and cheer him up---all we would have to do is mention our favorite restaurant, where to get good bar-b-que or politics and it would give him a good days worth of material. Sure miss that sweet little dickens. Life seems a little dull without him. LOL

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But Mytmite, I do worry about bloggers when they disappear

Loveptc was a dear. Muddle is irreplaceable. Carbon doesn't post enough. Mainstream doesn't post enough. Nice to have G35 back in the mix. Tug is needed to help me and maximus get along; maximus who doesn't post enough. Skyspy doesn't post enough. Jevank. Dawn. gitreal. Y'all need to check in. I am a worry wart. We need some feedback.

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I know, so many of the fun guys seem to have disappeared. I so

enjoyed anything Tug wrote same with Loveptc and some others. Haven't seem anything from Jevank in a long time--maybe they will all come back for a reunion. We need to get some of those guys back on here with their fresh ideas and good comments. Don't you do a fade out now.

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Only when I'm chasing waves or anything else worth chasing.

Smart fones don't help so much around wheels water or wine :-)

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HUTCH. YOU DON'T POST ENOUGH. CYCLIST. You're min runnin.athome

Hutch. Thinking bout you bro. Hope extended family is good. Hoping one day my situational outrage will draw you out :-p
Athome: im enjoying mccalls bbq in Gods country. Mr. And mrs. Mayor say HI

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Kevin & McCalls

I didn't know they had expanded to OK!

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Goldsboro; N.C. being Godscountry

As opposed to cowboy country ;-). I look like a tick right now :-D

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Kevin & McCalls

Last time I was there they also served up some pretty good Butterbeans too!

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Athome. My stomach has recovered.

The butter beans couldn't compare to the spicey boiled potatos, the pork ribs dripping with sauce (Death to dry rub!), and the fried skrimps and scallops! Any diet I pretended to have was left in the parking lot! If I ever find myself facing a "last meal" situation, I hope McCall's can cater to prison settings :-D.

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KevinK & Diet

Oh, you're not finished--think Wilbur's and one of the two Adams Roadside BBQ places!!

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Kevin & McCalls

Last time I was there they also served up some pretty good Butterbeans too!

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Checking in, Kevin

I'm still a frequent lurker. Will try to chime in more often.

Say hi to Mayor for me.

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Jevank! Thanks for responding.

The Mr. and missus send their greetings. Hopes all well in your world. I'd say us bloggers pretty much have this country's problems figured out..... we just have to get Washington to read the C :-). Hope you can bless our next get together with your presence.

G'day 2 U

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Don't forget treesarepeachy

and of course Bonkers

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Now Kevin,

We're certainly not debating Lloyd Bentsen and I promise to spell potato correctly. Now if you'll acknowledge that our Great Republic has endured Presidents who were current slave owners, Senators that have worn hoods, and Congressmen who have fondled children we can with ease endure a President who just might urinate on a Jihadist to make a point.

My side note is that America's place in the world is to remain that city on a hill that Ronald Reagan so eloquently described.

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True Mike. True.

I believe we're still there. The president changes every four to eight years. The American people don't. Sometimes we forget that. Not we as in u and me. But we meaning us as in U.S.

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Kevin, We Are Definitely Still There!

Very well said, my friend. This country is nothing more than a summation of the character of its population. The very fact that you and I want the same for our posterity, but perhaps disagree in the how we obtain it makes us two of some 300 million individuals that comprise that utopia we call America.

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Lower taxes encourage small businesses to expand
that creates jobs and that helps the millions of unemployed

In your dreams!! We have not seen the reality of this belief. Where are the jobs? Bush lowered the taxes.

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Davids mom

If raising taxes creates jobs, why didn't dear leader and the democrat party raise them when they had control of all 3 branches of government?

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They believed the economists and allowed the tax cuts (Bush) remain. Now we know that didn't
work because the Repub job creators went along with 'say no to Obama' plan. The Demos just have to listen to the people while the Repubs self distruct. Interesting times.

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Davids mom

That is not a sufficient answer. Obama was supposed to bring hope and change to America, not more of the same. If tax increases are the answer for democrats, they should have gone with it. Can't Obama and the democrat party think and do for themselves? All they have done is continue Bush's policies. If they are that bad, why didn't they change them.

Obama's and congress's approval numbers are in the toilet, and it's the GOP that is self-destructing? Nice version of reality you live in.

Every time Obama opens up his mouth and shows his ignorance and prefrence for class warfare, he just digs himself in a deeper hole. Obama will lose in 2012- bank on it.

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You're not keeping up with the 'talking points'!! The 'enlightened' Repubs are dropping the term 'class warfare'. Trying to figure out how to handle the growing anti-Wall Street movement. Your Speaker of the House bragged that the Repubs got 98% of what they wanted. It's their baby now!! / / / and that's my final answer!! LOL!

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Well Moms, the jobs were there then

and now they are not.
Obama is holed up in his White House bunker with Valerie Jarrett trying to figure out a reelection (improbable) and a new winning campaign to energize his base (the dumb and stupid). He has not met with any of his Cabinet level officers in months, but Valerie is there and so is the union goon.

How can you possibly think this annoying socialist and community activator needs another term as President? Are you nuts?

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Well Moms, the jobs were there then
and now they are not

When you come to face to face with reality, I think it will be such a shock to your limited brain that you'll be eligible for the nut house!! Throwing unsubstantiated innuendos regarding the President, the cabinet, etc., etc. - is so sad - because it shows that you have nothing else to do but yell 'SOCIALIST', COMMUNITY ORGANIZER. This administration has dealt with the man who killed 3000 Americans in New York; has made a slow recovery from the mismanagement of two wars/economy/ etc. under the Bush and previous administrations. Now about those jobs that 'were there'. Are you kidding? You're fortunate to live in the 'bubble' of FC - yet our local newspaper was filled with foreclosures last month. Our neighbors are in trouble because of this economy. You RWM, as a Republican from Georgia, have little or no knowledge of when and how this administration meets with his Cabinet. . .but you like to make people think you have some 'inside knowledge'. There are many Republicans and Democrats who have questionable home lives - this president is not one of them. Try some other lie - this one about Obama and Jarrett won't fly. We're in a mess - and instead of using whatever skill you have to try to work with the American people - you use your own insecurity to lash out at this president. Typical of a limited individual who has the inability or no desire to do his own research but depends on what Rove/Koch care to send out to the unenlightened minions. What is annoying to the American people is the transparent games that have been played by the minions in Congress in hopes of making sure Obama is a one term president. IT'S BACKFIRING! There are so many people in FC who are knowledgeable about their ideology and make cogent arguments/points in explaining their positions. You are not one of them.

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Ok Moms, thanks for answering that question

You are nuts. I was just asking rhetorically, but that rant was pretty telling. The hot button seems to be Valerie Jarrett and when she writes her book or Joe Klein does an unauthorized bio of her, you will tear your hair out.
No member of Perzbo's cabinet has met with him since September 8 when he intensified his reelection campaign and he ends his official day at 4PM. This from a source in the White House. The dude is simply campaigning to keep his job and ignoring the business of the country. Killing BinLadin was the work of the Navy Seal team and their support groups - one of the many good things this President inherited from Bush.

Anger management is recommended. BTW, Fayette County had 135 foreclosures last month - lowest in metro Atlanta. Gwinnett had 1882.

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When one doesn't do his research - and spreads untruths when it isn't necessary - yep, my anger threshold goes up. Idiot! 135 is too many!! FC is a strong middle class community of hard working Americans - and not as many citizens as Gwinnett County . Stop comparing apples and oranges. There are intelligent people on this blog, and you are insulting their intelligence with your 'untruths'. You and Joe troll the same websites - and most Americans are aware of the intent of those websites. IT IS NOT TO SOLVE PROBLEMS or PROVIDE SOLUTIONS, BUT TO USE LONG HELD PREJUDICES TO SWAY OTHERWISE LOYAL AMERICANS TO RETURN TO A POLICY THAT DIDN'T WORK FOR 8 YEARS, Most Americans realize that it doesn't really matter if a Democrat or a Republican is in the White House at this point - we need legislators who will work together to get us out of this mess!

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I hate to contradict you RWM

You obviously have an inside line to the President and his schedule but C_Span reported on the Cabinet meeting Obama had last week:

President Obama Cabinet Meeting

Probably another example of the lying MSM.

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Georgia bigots and Alabama

What a nightmare for Georgia bigots otherwise known as Georgia Republicans.

Alabama has enacted an anti-immigrant law more hostile and bigoted than any enacted so far in Georgia.

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I love the way you get right to the point!!!! :-) Some may be offended - but this is exactly the way that Georgia, Arizona, etc. are viewed by the majority of Americans. Texas will keep Perry as governor - and the Republicans have lost the LEGAL Hispanic vote.

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Repubs can definitely get Hispanic votes

The first and only female Hispanic governor in this country is Susana Martinez, a Republican in New Mexico. Jeb Bush carried the majority of Hispanic votes easily in Florida in both of his elections and Marco Rubio got a super majority of the Hispanic vote in Florida a year ago and campaigned hard on no amnesty and toughening up on illegal immigration.

There's a widespread myth that immigration issues are a BIG priority with Hispanic voters. It's not even in the top 5 of any poll that I have ever seen as far as what is important to them. As a candidate, you tend to do very well with Hispanic voters if you can speak Spanish fluently like Jeb Bush can or it's your native language. People forget that Hispanic VOTERS are here legally and immigrated the hard way through the bureaucratic nightmare and costs of obtaining US citizenship. While there are more Hispanics registered as Dems than Repubs, they do not vote as a monolithic block like blacks and whoever gets the Repub nomination will be competitive for Hispanic votes. One big reason is that Hispanics on the whole are more socially conservative than the national Dem party.

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Hispanic Vote? Nuk

We'll see. Blacks on the whole are more socially conservative than the national Democratic Party - so what! Have you ever been to a 'black' Baptist church? What is a concern with the Hispanic community is that in certain states, they are all being treated as ILLEGALS. Some Hispanic families have been in this country - and fought and died for this country long before some recent immigrants from Germany, Russia, England, Italy etc., etc., etc. - who proudly state they are 3rd generation Americans. Their lineage can't hold a candle to those whose families have been here for six + generations. Jeb Bush would have been a great candidate - but his brother took care of that! Jeb’s son (half Hispanic) did well on the election circuit - but not well enough. You can call the 'black' vote monolithic - and it will remain so as long as the current Republican Party has the likes of Rove, Koch, and the John Birch Society as 'policy makers'. If 'blacks' were monolithic voters for ANY black candidate - Sharpton, Jesse, and Cain would have their undivided vote. Hillary made a crucial mistake when she took Hilda Solis to task and demoted her during her run for president. Hillary lost the Hispanic vote. Obama was wise in making Hilda Solis his Secretary of Labor. Most Hispanic voters will vote for Obama. There are Hispanic Republicans and Black Republicans - and the current Republican Party has done well in 'show casing' them. It's just too, too transparent. But of course, race is not a big issue in these United States - we have 'overcome' those ancient policies of the era before/after the Civil War. Right? We all, as Americans, do not need the designation of 'race' on our birth certificates or drivers licenses - because we are all Americans - equal under the law. Nuk - you tried - but the reality doesn't fit your dream. I hope your dream is realized soon.

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DM: John Birch Society in the Repubs?

That's pretty funny. Let's see....Buckley denounced the JBS heavily and that pretty much ended any influence JBS ever had with the Repubs decades ago. JBS as far I recall is opposed to ANY free trade agreements and I have yet to see the vast majority of Repubs ever vote against one. Since Obama is scared to send over the free trade agreements with Colombia, Panama and South Korea and a lot of Dems oppose free trade agreements like NAFTA and CAFTA, are they all closet JBS members?

I know the Birchers want to audit and start regulating the Federal Reserve banking system more than presently. So does avowed socialist Bernie Sanders of Vermont who no one would ever describe as a Bircher. JBS'ers rail against anything they think leads to "one world government" or a "new world order." Who famously stated "it's a New World Order now?" That would be Bush 1, Repub.

Moving on, never said that blacks were a monolithic block for any black candidate. The Fayette NAACP does indeed claim that bluntly in their court filing, though(99% they claim with no factual basis whatsoever). I said that blacks were a monolithic voting block and they are: for ANY Democrat. No other group comes anywhere close to the percentages that blacks vote for Dems, including Hispanics, labor union members of any kind, gays, etc.
check this out it's the purest definition of monolithic voting block:

Blacks voted for Gore 93%, Kerry 88%, Obama 95%
Hispanics 55% 50% 65%
Labor Union members ? 60% 59%

I could go on and on with any group.

I'm not defending the Repub Party because they do a lot that is indefensible, but the Dems are not a worthwhile alternative either, nor are they nearly as "diverse as the MSM attempts to portray them in comparison to Repubs.

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Thanks for your opinion, That’s what we're here for. My point regarding the monolith is blacks don't automatically vote for blacks. Any group will vote for a party that has their best interest in the stated policies of their party. Republicans, since 1964, have made it clear that they do NOT have the interest of Americans of a color other than white or in a certain economic class in some of their policies. Not all Republicans feel this way, but certain regions of this country have found it very difficult to judge a person by the content of their character rather than their color. Reverse racism has been the cry of the 'white' male since 1964. I think since the performance of the last few Congressional bodies - many citizens are looking for a third party that represents the citizens of the 21st century. The John Birchers are still considered extreme 'right wing'. Because there are areas of agreement regarding some policies does not mean that just because the Birchers or NAACP find an area of agreement - that they necessarily agree with each other on every policy. In California, Birchers are closely identified with the Republican Party - regardless of who tries to distance themselves from JBS. I am not defending all Democrats - and I find our present Congress dysfunctional. Blacks, Hispanics, workers - will support any movement that considers their concerns as important. Don't 'whites'/ members of professions do the same?

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DM: John Birch Society..again?

I highly doubt there are more members in JBS these days than even the Klan, New Black Panther Party, whatever. They are such a tiny amount of people with absolutely no political power or even recognition that I have no idea why you even brought them up to begin with. They have all of ZERO influence on any Republican that I have seen. Their goals aren't anywhere close to moderate, establishment Repubs, and are nowhere close to the TP either. Maybe they outnumber the membership of the Flat Earth Society but I kind of doubt that too.

As far as polices that benefit one group over another, you don't ever get to a colorblind society or one where people are judged by the content of their character and not their skin color or ethnic group or economic class by implementing laws and policies based solely on a person's skin color or what ethnic group or economic class they belong to. Good laws and policy benefit America and those within.

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As far as polices that benefit one group over another, you don't ever get to a colorblind society or one where people are judged by the content of their character and not their skin color or ethnic group or economic class by implementing laws and policies based solely on a person's skin color or what ethnic group or economic class they belong to. Good laws and policy benefit America and those within.

That was the whole point of the Civil Rights movement. So what's the problem? It's been a long time coming. The playing field in most instances is now equal - whites don't always get the jobs based on their skin color.

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That was the whole point of the Civil Rights movement. So what's the problem? It's been a long time coming. The playing field in most instances is now equal - whites don't always get the jobs based on their skin color.

Mainly they don't(that's good), but others do(that's bad) in the name of rectifying past discrimination or meeting some target goal where "best qualified for the job" isn't the #1 factor but skin color or sex is. You generally see this type of discrimination in government job hiring and promotion(especially public safety jobs) and awarding of contracts.

Fighting discrimination with discrimination is a concept so ignorant that only politicians could have come up with it.

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I had a scary experience due to NOT best qualified recently

Best qualified should ALWAYS be hired. Without telling too much about it, I will just say I had some very serious surgery and I won't say when or where. Things didn't go as planned and I needed other things done the next day.

Lucky for me the doctors were right on top of it and ordered other things immediately. Also going for me was that they came in and discussed it with me and I didn't loose consciousness. As I went in and out, I kept asking my so called nurse, where is the 'treatment'. They wandered in to my room several times and didn't bring it. They even had the nerve at one point to tell me they 'forgot' it. Someone else with a brain came in and I complained and they got the 'treatment' for me. I was serious. There was a lot more to it and it was a lot more dangerous than I want to go into here. At any rate, as I came back to the living..it was very evident, I had a 'token'. I never dreamed this could happen in a field that I had always put up on a pedestal.

I wish the NACCP had been laying in that bed instead of me. It is one thing to give someone a chance to compete. It is quite another to concrete and ill qualified person in a position and make people take subject to substandard or even life threating care just because they have some goon NAACP lawyers behind them.

It has been 60 years that blacks have been going to the front of the line, qualified or not,and very often to the detriment of all. It is time for this to stop. There is no other race or nationality that has taken such shameful advantage. If they can't make it in 60 years, another 100 won't do any good. It is reverse discrimination.

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It has been 60 years that blacks have been going to the front of the line, qualified or not,and very often to the detriment of all. It is time for this to stop. There is no other race or nationality that has taken such shameful advantage. If they can't make it in 60 years, another 100 won't do any good. It is reverse discrimination.

60 yeanrs ago (1951), here in Georgia we couldn't even get in line . Nice story Suggarfoot, but in my opinion, your credibility just hit bottom.

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you think a 10 yr error is worse than a dim witt almost killing

someone because they were plugged in by the NAACP at a level above their ability. I could expect nothing less.

My credibility didn't go down but your priorities are obvious. To you, it is more important that an unqualified person be put in place because they are simply black.

The original intent of affirmative action back in 1961 was that people of all races got an equal shot at the same jobs. This 'quota' BS is just that. Because you have 100 nurses, it doesn't mean that you can find 50% black qualified. You might, or you might kill someone with this bull headed neanderthal idea. If you have 30% black that are qualified, that is what should be hired. Not let them make guinea pigs out of the critically ill till they get it right.

Some jobs SHOULD BE EARNED by ability, not some sort of insane, backwards entitlement.

I said, and am still saying if you can't get it right in 60..opps, oh my bad, 50 years, that doesn't give you the right to keep going to the head of the line just to even things out.

Some people are not good at certain things. When this warped logic that you will just MAKE it so is put in front of people's safety, it is time for families of victims(as I almost was) to scratch around and see what happened to their loved ones. I feel if they find a 'token' resposible, their lawsuit should not be against the hospital, but the NAACP for demanding such dangerous foolishness.

Now that would really straighten a lot out! Go after the deep pockets of the irresponsible bullies!

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1961? Ok, I accept that you probably didn't do too well in American history. All white people are superior to all black people? If you say so. While watching the Republican debate, I don't think so. Night! :-)

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"The term "affirmative

"The term "affirmative action" was first used in the United States. It first appeared in Executive Order 10925, which was signed by President John F. Kennedy on March 6, 1961, and it was used to refer to measures to achieve non-discrimination. In 1965, President Lyndon B. Johnson issued Executive Order 11246 which required federal contractors to take "affirmative action" to hire without regard to race, religion and national origin. In 1968, gender was added to the anti-discrimination list.[2] Matching procedures in other countries are also known as reservation in India, positive discrimination in the United Kingdom, and employment equity in Canada."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action

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I highly doubt there are more members in JBS these days than even the Klan, New Black Panther Party, whatever.

You can check with the Koch brothers.

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Koch Brothers?...LOL!!!!!

They are about as opposite of JBS as you can get. They do extensive business globally and you think they have ever seen a Free Trade agreement they didn't love? They also don't mind at all dumping US employees and production and shipping it overseas to one be done at one of their subsidiaries.

Koch brothers have heavily funded not only the TPers but also libertarian think tanks and the LP itself. I've heard plenty of criticisms of them but never anyone who called them supporters of JBS or any of the goals of the JBS. I don't think you have much a grasp on anything about the John Birch Society.

Their Dad may have had some JBS leanings but he's been dead for over 45 years and his sons aren't seemingly embracing any of that. There wasn't even a Koch Industries until after Dad died.