Cain's sensible message is heard

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Florida makes Cain #1. He's talking solutions. Congratulations to a candidate from Georgia. I wonder how he'll do here!

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/24/cain-upsets-perry-as-win...

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Did a President of the United States actually say this?

"Take off your bedroom slippers. Put on your marching shoes," he said, his voice rising as applause and cheers mounted. "Shake it off. Stop complainin'. Stop grumblin'. Stop cryin'. We are going to press on. We have work to do."

Put on your marching shoes? That's going to create jobs and put food on the table? Wow- How embarassing for the Democrat party.

Meanwhile, the CBC chairman states "If Bill Clinton had been in the White House and had failed to address this problem, we probably would be marching on the White House." Which proves that the CBC is actually nothing but a bunch of racists.

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Joe LOL!

When women put on their marching shoes, they got the right to vote. When American citizens put on their marching shoes, all citizens in the south got the right to vote. When citizens put on their walking shoes, they got the right to sit anywhere in a bus. When a Tea Party was held, we got a war (and freedom for some). When citizens disagreed about states rights, we got war. Give me walking shoes anytime. It's productive, peaceful exercise for Americans. Walking has produced more results than complaining and/or grumbling. VOTE!

Joe, you didn't answer the question. How will Cain do in Georgia?

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DM-Cain in Georgia

Over all I'm kind of disappointed in the candidates for POTUS right now. But if the primary for Georgia were held today, I'd have a hard time not voting for Herman. As to how he'll do overall in Georgia (or anywhere else for that matter)I really can't say.

You see I think the media tries to decide elections not report them. That is why when a Herman Cain wins a primary it is reported as being a shock. It has to be an aberration. Or at least it has to be reported as such to try and keep ole Herman from building up any steam. I will also say that a Cain vs Obama race would be interesting. That way you could actually support the better candidate without being called a racist.

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G35 and Madmike

Cain has said what his racist agenda is when considering others for positions relating to his staff. It amazes me that anyone would support this person who had no issue with showing his anti- Muslim thought process with bigot comments. I Forgot he is allowed to be racist because he is black. Double standard.

Electing a President with this view point will set us back another 100+ years. America still remains blind as the political process separates us and some are willing to follow a Cain type person just because he is the candidate for my party.

When will we understand this continued divide and conquer theory is tearing us apart. Voting for the best candidate is the only way we can move forward and rebuild America. The politicians including our POTUS continue to play us like a deck of cards.

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T-Man: What was racist?

What did Cain say that was racist? What makes his agenda racist? My guess is you don't have a clue what Cain said or what the definition of racism is. It is an easy card to play for those who can't argue the facts.

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Madmike

You'll find many articles regarding Cain's statements regarding Muslims. Many consider the statements racist. There is also an article regarding this topic (Beck interview).

http://www.therightscoop.com/herman-cain-no-muslims-in-my-cabinet/

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Nothing in this article refers to racism. You tell me, what has Cain said that is racist? Saying that he wouldn't put someone in his cabinet that is Muslim is not racist.

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Media treatment of the word 'racism'/Madmike
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Muslim is not a "race"

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Amen Nuk_1...

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Tell you what madmike and nuke.

As the citizens get to know Mr. Cain, we'll have a chance to air this out. We'll see if our military folks are fighting for the freedom of only non muslim Americans. We'll see if religious background, sex, race, or ethnicity will become a disqualifier when seeking employment in this country. If it weren't so ridiculous that you gents are trying to run cover for him, it would be funny. But sadly it's not. Cain will not be elected to any state or federal office. His anti muslim statements are one big reason.

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KevinK... you miss the point

Kevin, nothing in anything I said states that I agreed with the statement that Cain made saying that he would not hire a Muslim to his cabinet. That was a gaffe by Cain that he has all but admitted. What I did say was that the statement was not racist as was indicated by a couple of bloggers here. It seems every time anyone makes a disparaging comment about anyone these days the first word that comes spewing out of every dissenting opinion is "racism." When that is done, we lessen the impact of it's definition and relegate it to a position of little importance. "Racism," as properly defined, is a horrible condition of our human existence and in my opinion, shouldn't be loosely thrown around by people as their first, and usually inaccurate, response.
Undoubtedly, most Americans of the Muslim faith are peaceful people who have the same respect and appreciation for our country. However, to turn a blind eye towards the fact that it has been radical terrorists of the Muslim faith that have cost our country thousands of lives wouldn't be prudent.
When our demand for political correctness and insistence that nothing we do ever offends anyone become more important than common sense, it will erode the foundation of this country.

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I agree with you - so you understand why I view those Americans who look like Timothy McVeigh as a potential terrorist and a danger to me and my family . NOT!!! I guess my fear would not be politically correct. Geez. How can I be so RACIST!
( now the purist will come out of the walls and call me racist. LOL !). You see the 'point' from your perspective , and I see it from mine. I don't see all Muslims as raving radicals; I don't see all white men as raving radicals.

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DMom, if you ever lived...

...in S. Missouri you'd know (esp. you!) to fear those who "look like Timothy McVeigh"; it where he was trained and there's a LARGE anti-gov't/white supremeicist organization(s) there. Point is, there are MANY groups in this free nation who will do evil to our citizens, and they deserve all the attention that they get.

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Is Lovejoy, ILL - KC

close enough? Have family there - and survived the ignorance of the 'Scot-Irish' of that region. Didn't live far enough away from the 'militia' havens in California. Ignorance is not only in the South. . .but unfortunately, for some, regarding race - is well shared. In fact, as an 'outsider' or northerner, I find the transformation of the South very encouraging.

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I hear you - but I repeat, I don't see all white men as evil or all Muslims as evil. After more than half a century of living, I've learned that wise caution rather than fear leads to a long life. Have a great day! It looks like fall is here!

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I'm not running cover for Cain

To me he's a fringe candidate with some good ideas and some bad and I'm not voting for him. What he said was dumb and an example of bigotry, but that's not racism. If I say I abhor a lot of fundamentalist Christian views, that doesn't mean I'm a racist. A religion/ideology is not defined by "race."

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madmike, nuk1, and g35. we are splitting hairs between words.

religious bigotry versus racism. We will never have a president who says he won't appoint a person to the bench or allow them to work in his or her cabinet based on their religious preference. We ignore that there are Muslims who have and will die in SERVICE to this country. We will not give them a Commander in Chief who is a "religious bigot."

Now Mike, as to splitting hairs. You said Cain has "all but apologized for his statement. What in the world does THAT mean?

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Like I said, it was a dumb thing to say(and believe too)

Cain isn't going to get the Repub nominee and isn't going to be President. I don't get why it's really even a topic because he's a fringe guy who won a meaningless straw poll in Orlando and some seem to think that means he actually has a chance, which he surely doesn't.

Then again, he could have been VP material for a Romney if he hadn't made the comments about Muslims in his Cabinet, so I guess it's kind of relevant.

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Hi Kevin... here we go again. It amazes me how people can read something, turn it into their own version of what was actually stated, and then go on the attack believing their fabrication as truth!
Where did I say that Cain "all but apologized for his statement?" I didn't say that. What I said was that Cain's statement was a gaffe, and that he as all but admitted to that fact.

From the "what it is worth" department, I don't consider pointing out the irresponsible and inaccurate use of the word "racism" as an exercise of splitting hairs.

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Madmike

Wish I was around last night for the heavy debate of the word Racism. Maybe the word is bigotry for you. He's a bigot feel better about the man you support. Splitting hairs as KevinK has said is what is being done. But the real conversation is:

How do you MadMike vote for a bigot? A person who has already said he will not be fair to all Americans. Party lines pulling your leash?
He can try and recant his statement but the words were spoken from his heart/mind/mouth. You see it, hear it, and smell it but can't stray from your party to stop discrimination. America can’t be the great Nation it should be when we stick to this party crap.

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Sorry madmike. Inaccurate reporting on my part

I dont know how I would all but admit something if I wanted to. This was no gaffe. This was a statement of Herman Cain, and your belief that we should treat Americans of the Muslim faith differently. Based on their faith alone. That's not America my friend. 9/11 changed me, but it didn't make me a bigot. I was an okie of 6 years when Tim McVeigh attacked the Alfred P. Murrough bldg. Didn't make me a racist. Mike, it truly IS that easy

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Kevin & Cain

Wish you could have read a column today in the AJC about how a presidential campaign can "destroy" an individual. While it was aimed at one individual (Perry), it surely is relevant to others. Hey, look at Cain's history--don't think you'll find any evidence of "racism" or bigotry--and you know, that with his business history, he's had to work with some of everything, at all levels. Hey, he made a boo-boo statement! Best I remember, I've made one or two of those somewhere back down the road! And if you remember, all of we former Federal employees, Military or Civilian, take that same oath to protect & defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign or domestic" or something similar to that. Any Muslim that Herman selected for a Cabinet position would have to take that same oath. Seeing as he may have never had to take that oath, it's possible that he didn't know about that wording. What I do know is that I think he's a great American and he would make a very good POTUS. I voted for him when he ran for Senator against Isakson but he didn't get past the Primary.Via email, I tried to get him to run for GA Lt Gov after losing the Senate challenge but he didn't see it. I believe he could have beat our current LtGov and gone on to run for and win the Governorship. Best to you and yours. Enjoyed talking to both you and Sam!

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Kevin & Cain

Wish you could have a column today in the AJC about how a presidential campaign can "destroy" an individual. While it was aimed at one individual (Perry), it surely is relevant to others. Hey, look at Cain's history--don't think you'll find any evidence of "racism" or bigotry--and you know, that with his business history, he's had to work with some of everything, at all levels. Hey, he made a boo-boo statement! Best I remember, I've made one or two of those somewhere back down the road! And if you remember, all of we former Federal employees, Military or Civilian, take that same oath to protect & defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign or domestic" or something similar to that. Any Muslim that Herman selected for a Cabinet position would have to take that same oath. Seeing as he may have never had to take that oath, it's possible that he didn't know about that wording. What I do know is that I think he's a great American and he would make a very good POTUS. I voted for him when he ran for Senator against Isakson but he didn't get past the Primary.Via email, I tried to get him to run for GA Lt Gov after losing the Senate challenge but he didn't see it. I believe he could have beat our current LtGov and gone on to run for and win the Governorship. Best to you and yours. Enjoyed talking to both you and Sam!

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Athome and mike king

Herman could use you gents as handlers :-). Looking fwd to our next hydrating session. By the way, I like the general tone of this thread. Both sides of the aisle making supported arguments without getting too personal. That's why we're still bloggin, right? That plus drinks on corvette dude. Hope to rejoin that club soon ;-).

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Ah Kevin

The Teas are out of luck. First Santorum crashed and burned, then Bachmann crashed and burned, now Perry is crashing and burning because he isn't pure enough. They think they want Christie but they don't know his stand on immigration, which makes Perry look like a piker, plus Christie supports an assault weapons ban. Apostasy!

The Teas only have one acceptable choice that can win and I'm surprised they aren't clamoring for him. At the risk of costing Obama the election, may I suggest a Chuck Norris/Herman Cain ticket.

Hey, I'd vote for that one myself.

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Jeff, I'm very partial to fighters, but

If Chuck Norris will take one lesson from Ronald Reagan, he needs to know that men don't dye their hair.... or their mustaches. Ummm... would you tell him for me.. but don't tell him I said it. Wouldn't want him upset with me (nervous laughter)

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Will the dems actually run Obama in 2012

Really? Obama? All they have is the incapable, inept, immature, Obama to run in 2012? Are they serious?

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Grizz. Sorry but it's so hard to take you seriously.

President Obama, the leader of the free world, is weak, in your opinion, yet has single-handedly nearly destroyed the United States. You do realize Palin would have quit months ago :-D? Now go find some poor uninsured children to make fun of and let the adults continue their conversation :-p

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Why do you state things that were never said? I never said that Obama was singl handedly destroying the country. I said that he was incapable, inept, and immature. Don't be such a wuss.

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Poo bear, you are a hard one to track; I follow the droppings..

" I, along with many, many other Americans think that his policies are a menace to the future of this great country. He has taken our country down a few notches."

How many notches down equal destruction? 3? 4.5? 7?

"Yes, we were stronger then than we are now. Obama's sheer and utter incompetence and over-spending brought the economy down."

How far "DOWN" equals destruction? Help me understand.

"he's a menace to the safety and welfare of this GREAT county"

Now, I'm guessing you mean more than just Fayette County. He is a menace to our safety and welfare, but he hasn't as yet destroyed anything. So, you are just grumbling because you think that one day he might destroy something?

I should leave bear tracking to the pros, or just let you continue to set your own traps :-D.

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Kevin et al

Regarding Mr Cain's statement, he may recant it, apologize for it, or whatever. The fact is we all are human (Roundabout being perhaps the exception) and are prone to mistakes. Hopefully we learn from them, and move on. This entire issue has been blown far out of proportion.

I would offer an analogy of stepping in dog poop, most of us clean up our shoes and forget about it. The MSM would have us believe the foot should be amputated and all us lemmings should follow suit.

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madmike, nuk1, and g35. we are splitting hairs between words.

religious bigotry versus racism. We will never have a president who says he won't appoint a person to the bench or allow them to work in his or her cabinet based on their religious preference. We ignore that there are Muslims who have and will die in SERVICE to this country. We will not give them a Commander in Chief who is a "religious bigot."

Now Mike, as to splitting hairs. You said Cain has "all but apologized" for his statement. What in the world does THAT mean?

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Racism

A system, policy that fosters discrimination. A policy that fosters the belief that one group is superior to another. If the only argument that one can come up with is Muslim is not a race - neither is Mexican or African American, or Irish, or etc., etc., etc. Some 'whites' who migrated from South Africa proudly identify themselves as African American. It seems the press shys away from using the word 'discrimination '. . . so they use the word 'racist" when referring to one who treats others in a discriminating manner. Cain has some good ideas - but in this country, his words towards Muslims are considered 'racist'.
This country is so concerned with identifying / separating black and white, that many consciously or unconsciously have trouble dealing with a president that is both. I guess for some, it would be easier to deal with Cain. ( A son of Georgia makes good - and he's black!). Making insensitive statements like Cain made would do unnecessary damage to diplomacy. Let's hope our leaders will 'vet' all of their assistants who are responsible for our security .

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Racism - Definition

David's Mom... not sure where you dug that up but your definition is misleading. Racism is not a system or policy as you describe although policies or systems may be created that reflect racism. Racism IS the belief that one race is superior to another. Period.

From Webster - racism is a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

From Wikipedia - Racism is the belief that there are inherent differences in people's traits and capacities that are entirely due to their race, however defined, and that, as a consequence, racial discrimination is justified.

An action or opinion is not "racism" unless it is based on the idea that one race is superior, or conversely, one race is inferior, to another. Think about that the next time you hear the word racist or racism tossed around. IF the idea, action, or opinion is not founded on the idea of racial superiority, it may be a lot of things, but it is not racist or a product of racism. Personally, I believe racism is evil and is indicative of stupidity, lack of education, or both.

Herman Cain said that he wouldn't put anyone in his cabinet that was of the Muslim faith. Nuk_1 correctly points out that being Muslim is not a racial class, and therefore the classification of the Cain statement as being racist fails in that regard. But even if Cain had said he would not put an Arab in a cabinet position, it still would not be a racist statement unless you could glean from it that Cain said this because he thought Arabs, as a race, were genetically too ignorant to be effective in the position. Clearly, Cain was stating that his reluctance for putting a Muslim in a high government position was because of their perceived lack of loyalty to the country and to the Constitution, not due to any genetic intelligent deficiency.

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Usage in the states by the American media does not follow definitions - and you are well aware of that. I have heard the word used in this country and by the American media all of my life - as have you. I have heard/read racist statements in this blog - used incorrectly all of the time - unless, of course, the persons here honestly feel that they are superior because of their 'race'. Now if we get technical here in GA - there are very few 'pure' race humans in this state. In common usage - though incorrect - Herman Cain made a 'racist' statement. . .because he would discriminate against someone who he feared or felt was inferior, dangerous etc.. Seven years ago I made a 'racist' statement due to my fear of all white males who drove pick-up trucks. Jim Crow laws were 'racist' although there were individuals who knew that there were people of another 'race' who were just as intelligent, just as educated, just as patriotic as they were. The implementation of Jim Crow laws and the attitudes that accompanied those practices were/are considered 'racist'. (common usage/though technically incorrect ). I believe you when you say you think racism is evil. In this country, the usage of the word has come to mean ignorant discrimination based on whatever an ignorant, evil person felt he/she could get away with. That's the perspective of many who have been legally discriminated against in the United States. Some feel that blacks should not be called racists because they don't feel whites are inferior. BS!! Muslim is not a race - but some here feel that all Muslims have dark skin - i.e. showing their lack of knowledge. Anyway - we disagree based on our perspective.

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Madmike

Calling him racist may have been strong words in your eye's but let's say he will discriminate against a certain group of Americans. Does that make you fill better?

A President who discriminates is okay with you?

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Just another thought - madmike

Cain cinched his inability to pull African American votes. The largest group of converts to the Islamic faith are African Americans. Go figure,

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Yes, and I saw one DM...

...wearing an underwear bomb a few months ago! And one shot 2 young Army Soldiers in Arkansas, also a few months ago. I don't think they are the black demographic that Cain is looking for support from...

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Cain

is looking for American support. His bigoted comments regarding Muslims are too, too similar to the 'T's' The sad truth is that I have probably been in more danger of 'black crime' than you'll ever be. We've all been in danger of the terrorists in the world - and they come in all colors from all continents. Cain is well aware he does not have the support of African Americans - the Republican Party, if they are hoping to get a slice of the AA vote, will be disappointed. I think they are hoping to make far right T's feel comfortable in voting for Cain. Whatever - the outcome will be interesting. Does anyone still believe that 'race' is not an issue ?

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Herman Cain made a mistake with the Muslim comment, pure and simple. He should come forward and admit it and he will be forgiven, if he doesn't do this then it will be hard because this mistake will linger. If he admits it, IMO, he will be forgiven.
Herman needs to hire a PR person like Dick Morris, who was even able to help Bill Clinton recover from his blunders. My guess is it would go something like this: "When asked about Muslims in my cabinet my thoughts immediately went to the videos of men and women jumping from the twin towers, the anger I feel when thinking of this tragedy sometimes clouds my vision,... I misspoke, for this I deeply apologize. I want to make this perfectly clear....my problem is not with the Muslim faith but with the radical fringe element that so brutally attacked America on Sept 11th."
Man makes mistakes, there has been only one who never made a mistake and I am pretty sure it isn't you or I or Herman Cain. America will forgive and move on. -GP

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You should send this to the Cain headquarters. His 'base' is still with him, but an apology may attract some of the independents. His strong point is he is not a 'politician' and he usually makes sense. His weakness is his lack of foreign diplomacy experience and interestingly enough, his lack of Washington experience. IMHO

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Team Cain has already heard a few of my suggestions. The problem is Herman sometimes stumbles when he speaks, personally I think he is nervous but you know what DM, I know where his heart is and that is good enough for me. Once America gets to know him many more will join in. He is a good man and I support him. -GP

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As a fellow financial contributor to the Cain campaign, I have to agree with your assessment here. If I believed there was one racist bone in his body, it would be different. There is not. There are mistakes that fade away and then there are "mistakes" that cost politicians their careers. This one by Cain, is of the former nature.
As many have pointed out here, Cain's chances to actually become President are slim to none, but I have to be encouraged by his finish in the Florida Straw poll. Stranger things have happened. And if his finish there brings him up to a status where he gets more scrutiny, more media coverage, and more questions in the debates, that is all good. As you implied, the more Americans get to know him, the more they will like him.

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A real strange feeling by many people is that one can be a racist and a bigot, yet say and feel that wouldn't make any difference if he were President or any other position of power.

In other words he thinks he could deal with "others" and yet have those inclinations! Not so, it can't be done.

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Mad mike. Is that you in the pic?

You need to blog as "pretty doggone happy" Mike. You don't look mad at all.

I'm just wondering, how in the world did Johnny Isakson beat this guy in the Republican Senatorial primary?

And why do you think Cain has abandoned the Fair Tax? He was a proponent of it on his radio show for years. If conservatives think The Fair Tax is the answer to tax reform, it's going to need a Mike Huckabee type of candidate suopporting it, and that candidate will need to survive the GOP primary.

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Great point DM.

Great point DM. Cains strength is that he is not a polished politician. And Cains weakness is that he is not a polished politician.

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Hi DM:

As a white man who drives a big red pick-up truck, rest assured that all of us are not racists :). I like your points, but I disagree that the fact that racism is misused all the time is reason enough to continue its misuse. Perhaps you hit the nail on the head... my biggest objection in this diversion from the topic is indeed the fact that the word is so often misused that it no longer represents it's true, and horrible, connotations. Thanks for the intelligent interaction.

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I disagree that the fact that racism is misused all the time is reason enough to continue its misuse.

Maybe if we 'hit' the media types with this, they will make corrections. American English has really taken a hit in the last century - and it's time for us all to use our mother language correctly. I too enjoyed the interaction.

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T-Man Ever heard of Jeremiah Wright?

I have no problems with anything Herman said about putting extra effort into vetting Muslims before hiring them for his cabinet. If you don't like him don't vote for him. But we just elected a president that called Jeremiah Wright his spiritual leader. May I invite you to research Rev Wright and then come back and talk to me about setting America back 100+ years?

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G35. How'd. Rev Wright do in his debates?

Oh. That's wright, he didn't run for president. Is that your argument? Really? You don't want to face the constitutional reality versus Cain's words? You'll have to do much better than this. When Cain is asked about this, he want be able to hide behind Rev Wright.

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kevink-You don't hold Obama accountable???

You don't hold Obama accountable for the teachings of his chosen religious leader? He choose this man (Rev Wright) as HIS religious leader! You condone this? Oh I forgot it's Obama. He is just not held accountable by some people.

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Dude. No, In my version of reality, I hold people accountable

For THEIR OWN WORDS. When Wright enters the presidential race, we'll hold him to account for his words. This is about you not having a defense for Cain's religious bigotry.. I understand your dilemma. Rick Perry has held audience with some religious wack jobs, but you won't see me pinning their words on Perry. Now, about Cain the religious bigot..........

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In your version of reality?

I guess in your version of reality one can attend KKK rally's and not be racist as long as they don't speak? Hey you said it. Not me.........

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Dodge ball champion: G-35 dude.

Wright, wright, wright........ Let's not speak about HERMAN CAIN THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE, AND THE WORDS HE HIMSELF SPOKE.

The KKK does not, on any level, equate to Rev Jeremiah Wright's multicultural church. His church had white members and guests. Can the Klan say that? Your arguments, dude, are uncharacteristically weak my friend.

Has a court of law forbidden you to say the words "Herman Cain" or to discuss his religious bigotry?

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Obama and Wright

Barack Hussein Obama: "I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community."

Obama stated that just before he disowned Wright.

Here are some of Wrights more 'colorful' public statements:

– September 2001: “The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. The government lied.”

– September 2001: “We bombed Hiroshima. We bombed Nagasaki. And we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye.”

– September 2001: “We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because of stuff we have done overseas is now brought back into our own backyard. America is chickens coming home to roost.”

– April 2003: “The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes three-strike laws and wants them to sing God Bless America. No! No No! God DAMN America … for killing innocent people. God DAMN America for threatening citizens as less than humans. God damn America as long as she tries to act like she is God and supreme.”

– December 2007: “Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich, white people. Hillary would never know that.”

– December 2007: “Hillary ain’t never been called a ni**er. Hillary has never had a people defined as a non-person.”

– Jan. 13, 2008: “Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain’t! Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty.”

– “Fact number one: We’ve got more black men in prison than there are in college. … Fact number two: Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run.”

– "You cannot do terrorism on other people and expect it never to come back on you."

– “We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns (See Operation 'Fast & Furious', funded with your tax dollars) and the training of professional killers. … We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God. … We conducted radiation experiments on our own people. … We care nothing about human life if the ends justify the means. And … And … And! God! Has got! To be sick! Of this sh**!”

– "To say “I am a Christian” is not enough. Why? Because the Christianity of the slaveholder is not the Christianity of the slave. The God to whom the slaveholders pray as they ride on the decks of the slave ship is not the God to whom the enslaved are praying as they ride beneath the decks on that slave ship."

– "We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye," Wright said. "We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost."

-In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01. White America and the western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just 'disappeared' as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns.

-America is still the No. 1 killer in the world.

Such a nice guy.

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Weak argument for G35 dude, but par for the jokeawfi course.....

You're stuck arguing a settled issue. The Wright story broke. Candidate / Senator Obama addressed the issue at length. The American people voted and elected President Obama by both the popular and electoral vote. Your viewpoint on Reverend Wright did not prevail. You can argue all day, but that fact won't change. Sucks for you.... works for me.

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Kevin - A recap

You sir were the one to jump when I compared your man and his "spiritual leader" to Mr Cain and his statement. That led us down the road of "your version of reality". Mr Cain is not a polished politician. If he were he would not have misspoke as he did. My statement was I don't have a problem with him because of that. You see I'm tired of polished politicians like Obama and many others. Some of which are on the GOP ticket this year. That is why I like Cain. You then went on a witch hunt where you tried to imply that Rev Wright was some sort of spiritual leader for LBJ and Clinton. Talk about being a dodge ball champion. Rev Wright wasn't even ordained when he and LBJ met. If you sir have never misspoke then you have the right to persecute Mr Cain. But I doubt that you fit that description. I know I don't. I never compared the KKK to Rev Wrights church. I simply implied using your own logic that one could be part of an organization without the views of that organization being attached to you. I knew using the KKK would drive the point home. If you attend the rally's of course you're racist. Just as if you attend Rev Wrights church after knowing what the man stands for then you must subscribe to his ideals.

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It was me who mentioned Wright and LBJ/Clinton. Never implied he was their spiritual leader. That was your doing. Not sure how you equate a preacher saying bigoted remarks to a Presidential candidate saying bigoted remarks but go ahead.

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Thanks T-man.

That last post made my nose bleed. Now my ears are ringing. Cyclist always said blogging was dangerous :-)

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I know what you mean. Cyclist has been missing for a few weeks look forward to his return.

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T-Man, KevinK & Cyclist

Cy's been dealing with some health issues. He's ok though and may be back to traveling. Perhaps he'll surface shortly.

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He's missed! (Cyclist)

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AHG: Wish him well for me

and tell him to get back here :)

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Athomehero, Thank you!

Cyclist is beloved by my family. He's met Jo and at least one of my kids. He's in our prayers and I look forward to his speedy return. Thanks for keeping us informed.

CARBONUNIT! Where you at? I get nervous when people disappear from these addictive blogs.

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Hey gang, I'm back...

I'm humbled by all of your remarks. Thanks!!!!

About the health thingy, I had to endure a night in the local hospital out of an abundance of caution. This led to the the next day's exciting procedure of threading a wire up to the heart to shoot that dye.

BTW, I thought that the old goat that I was sharing the room with was roundabout....he just kept muttering almost like one of those patented sonnets.

Anyways, I've been most busy at the jet plant integrating two aircraft fleets. I did post two comments and both got hung up in the infamous moderator queue. I just don't understand why. They were just harmless but "naughty" little posts about our beloved leader. It took few days before I was paroled by the site police.

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Welcome back.

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Glad to see you back online.
I hope all's well.

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Hey Greg

Thanks buddy!!!

How's the little one?

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She's with Grandpa Wulf.

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I am so sorry to hear about that. My deepest sympathy and prayers to you and your family.

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Not to worry, the carbonunit's orbit runs into some dead spots for effective transmissions from time to time.

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Cyclist and carbon

Cyclist, welcome back friend :-). And Carbonunit, please adjust to a geosyncronus orbit allowing uninterrupted coverage ;-).

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I thought that I was the only one being 'edited'. Take care of yourself! Glad you're back!

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T-Man says:

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It was me who mentioned Wright and LBJ/Clinton.

So Kevin: My apologizes to for falsely accusing you for that misleading statement.

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G35 dude....

Just reference my apology above to Madmike :-D

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The real sad issue is how the media misrepresented Rev. Wright and the members of his church. Remember Mrs. Sherod? Her statements were taken out of context - and she appeared to be a flaming racist - when those who she helped (black and white farmers) came to her defense. I agree that there are many who belong to various organizations for one reason or another and they do not support all of the views of the organization. (The Catholic church for example). No one seems to remember that Obama's mother was 'white'. He was raised by his 'white' grandparents - who he represents in his writings with love and gratitude. For those who took the time to hear Rev. Wright's entire sermon that day - they realize that corrupt journalism was active. . . .but we've learned and moved on.

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Rev. Wright misrepresented?

If anything, the media was too nice to him. It was Wright himself who decided he wanted to do interviews after the initial hub-bub over his sermons had faded. It was Wright's own words and stupid bigotry on Jews during those interviews that caused Obama to denounce him and cut any ties.

The Sherrod episode has nothing in common with any issue Wright brought upon himself through his sermons and his interviews. She got railroaded by working for an idiotic boss in a very poorly-run department while Wright buried himself over and over.

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And to that, he's just a reverend,

...as pointless a boob as there is to be found in the US, spewing opinions from a pulpit. Unfortunately, the weak-minded listen intently to these clowns. You might as well put a soapbox in the park and listen to those people, too. Whether its Jimmy Swaggart or Jesse Jackson, their opinions carry the same value as the wino in the alley.

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No argument regarding his destructive egotism after the selective take on a sermon- meant to make the presidential candidate appear racist. Definitely a tie/in to the Sherod case. . . lousy journalism. Take the time to listen to the entire sermon. It's still on YouTube (I think).

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DM: Seen the sermon(s) already

back when the furor started. I don't sympathize with Wright's plight here at all. I understand the point he was attempting to make with some very tortured reasoning and IMO pandering to the victimhood mentality, but the soundbites that caused the uproar weren't really taken far out of context.

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Thanks for your reply. I agree with you about the media. Sad. Your attitude validates for me that we're improving in regards to race. I don't think we'll see a Cain vs. Obama yet - but maybe someday.

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DM- Thanks but..

I agree that we are making progress in regards to race. But I submit to you that until I can make that kind of post in favor of a white candidate vs a black one, without some people automatically thinking that my motivation is race, we will be stuck in the place that we are now forever. You see some men would never vote for a female. Yet if I defend a male candidate vs Bachmann no one automatically accuses me of sexism. Point being that while both racism and sexism exist you can state an opinion in one and be innocent until proven guilty. Not in the other. When I had problems with Obama vs McCain some peoples posts led me to believe that they thought I might be racist. Remember?

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Your reference to Rev. Wright and our POTUS is hilarious. You must only believe in what you here from the media. Are you aware Rev. Wright was there for LBJ (Lyndon Johnson) and performed a prayer for Pres. Clinton when in office? He then said some things that are flat out wrong and discriminatory so our Prez. separated from him.

But folks such as you continue to use this as if this is the president’s view.

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Do you do any research at all? Or do you just make stuff up? Wrights connection to LBJ was medical not spiritual.

http://www.answers.com/topic/jeremiah-wright

Allowing someone to say a prayer for you as Clinton did and calling someone your spiritual leader are not even close to being the same. Keep dreaming up stuff. Maybe you'll get lucky with something. I don't attend a church if I do not agree with it's views.

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LOL G35

I'm still considered a racist here. . . so yes, I understand.

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DM I hear ya

I wonder how I'll be labeled here after this blog? LOL Not that it really matters. I am who I am. Still after all, while I may not love our current POTUS the man that I'm defending for making a misstep is also black. It's just funny to me that if Hillary had beat Obama I believe that some on here that are upset with me because of my choice of candidate would be defending Mr Cain instead of attacking him. Do you agree?

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After so many years, I've given up trying to 'guess' how others will respond. LOL.
I've self identified as a black woman with some racist attitudes due to life experience, and yet there are those who waste their time saying they have proudly figured me out. Like you say, and I believe you, you know who you are!

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