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Komrade Kevin we agree again!

The Orange Neocon should go!
All Marxist's, go!
All RINO's go as well!
However, we will just have to disagree on the hot chick, she stays-LOL. -GP

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Georgia patriot :-)

I'll meet you half way....half hot :-)

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Komrade Kevin

Kevin, for the reading impaired here is my exact quote:
"It all boils down to whether you think the best future for our country lies with more government, more rules and more regulations or with a smaller less obtrusive government and more freedom for the citizens and businesses that will make America strong once again, personally I will always pick the latter."
How do you go from that statement to conservatives having "disdain" for the United States? My love for this country is the polar opposite of disdain!

Maybe a simple allegory will help you out:

A person has very close relative (America) that used to be strong and vibrant but recently has been sick(the economy), the doctor(freedom) has diagnosed cancer and it appears to have metastasized. The only hope is to cut this cancer out and take the painful chemo. It is unclear whether the patient will survive.

America is like this very sick person but you know what, there is a small chance for recovery, and there just might be a miracle cure in 2012. -GP

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Georgia patriot, since you don't want your comments to fade....

Example of conservative disdain for The USA:

You compared America to a one-eyed drunk in a bar. Remember?

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Example of conservative disdain for The USA:

You compared America to a one-eyed drunk in a bar. Remember?

No, you are taking my simple analogy out of context. That sentence was part of my agreeing with your statement that America was the MIGHTIEST country in the world, here is what I said to be precise:
"We can agree America is mightier than any other country in the world!
Much like a one-eyed drunk is mightier than a bar-room full of the blind!
Hopefully America will wake up and take out the trash in 2012"
The entire world is in deep financial trouble my friend, if you don't understand that then perhaps your brainwashing was more intense than others http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/28/cain-black-community-bra...
And fading comments, you must have confused my comments with Obama's job approval rating! -GP

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Spin spin spin spin...

And now we hit the water bottle.... Spin spin spin.

I'm sorry Georgia Patriot. You obviously have a deep love for The United States which you say is:

"rapidly becoming a third world country,"

" still alive but certainly not strong, more like on life support,"

"Much like a one-eyed drunk is mightier than a bar-room full of the blind!"

How could I have confused your patriotism? My bad.

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Konfused Komrade Kevin

In my analogy using a one-eyed drunk to represent America, the other eye was poked out by your commie/marxist friends!
You see Kevin I and many more like me understand the cancer that has attacked from within the great country we love, we will do all we can to restore the health of America in 2012. -GP

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Georgia Patriot. The country you love just got diagnosed with

cancer? Dang! My condolences. Colon? Ovarian? Liver? Man, the country you love is getting worse each minute! A couple nights ago it gets in a drunken bar fight and severs an optic nerve, and now the alcoholism has developed into liver cancer! I'm there for you bruh. I'm there for ya.

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Konfused Kevin

Redistributive Marxarian Cancer.... but the good news is there is a cure, the bad news is Doctor Freedom doesn't have any appointment openings until 2012! -GP

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Georgia Patriot. Thank the President ......

At least most of your country is now insured :-). Momma told me not to talk to conservatives, but some of y'all are actually perty witty.

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No Thanks

I already have great healthcare, dental and the whole nine yards.
The president said I can keep my plan so..no problems there!

OOPs, I just read this: http://reason.com/blog/2011/08/25/if-you-like-your-health-covera but my employer will just keep the current plan and pay all the higher rates because he is loaded....wait a minute, I am the employer and I'm certainly not loaded, as a matter of fact we are struggling to survive as a business(we don't have large government contracts) so it looks like we will be dropping our plan after all. But the government will pick up all the costs now so all is well...but wait...who pays for that? Oh, that's right the government pays for it, after all single payer is what Obama wanted all along:(well I was trying to place a link to a youtube video of Obama stating he wanted single payer but they are all erased now, strange indeed..). At any rate, when healthcare becomes mandatory and the prices are so high no one can afford it the government will have to step in and we WILL have single payer(government run healthcare). Now, what could possibly be wrong with that? Is should work great at a lower cost just like everything else the government does....rrriight....-GP

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Georgia sue doe patriot. I want single payer too.

Good enough for our military. Good enough for all of those GOP anti-Obama Senators and Congressmen. Why are they better than the American citizenry?

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KevinK & Conservatives

Remember your roots! Just about EVERYONE you talked to lived a conservative lifestyle, no matter who they voted for come election time!

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you mean conserving sweat ? :-)

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kevink & sweat

if you haven't crawled on hands & knees down the middle of tobacco rows, priming those bottom leaves (called lugs) in 120 degree demperature, you don't know what sweat is all about! You know what I meant--those folks around you might have voted liberal in the ballot box but amost to a person, they all led very conservative lifestyles. Hell, first (and only, to my knowledge) (R) my Dad voted for was Richard Nixon!

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Davids mom
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It is sad that members of his own party don't listen to some of his 'fresh' ideas. . . ..Florida Republicans heard him.

So, members of the Republican party don't listen to Herman, but the Republicans in Florida heard him. Again, Davids mom, you make absolutely no sense. That is not surprising coming from a liberal Democrat.

Were you trying to insinuate that Republicans don't listen to him because he is black? Plenty of Republicans listen to him because he is a proven solid leader with great ideas, much unlike the current POTUS. Herman will probably win the Georgia straw poll - He's the only candidate that I have made a contribution to.

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With contributors like you - Grizz

he's doomed. You are not subtle at all.

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Cain - I like him

I support Cain and would love to see him be the nominee. I don't think he has a chance but this straw poll result is encouraging.

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Cain Zogby Poll

Naysayers take notice. Looks like Florida wasn't a fluke. http://zogby.com/news/2011/09/26/ibope-zogby-poll-perry-plummets-18-trai... -GP

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Cain's 15 minutes

We'll see DM. You know the Rs are not going to nominate Cain. He may be a really good VP selection though.

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The Cain dude is going to be President, Jefe

You wait and see. Real black voters - with skin in the game (5%) and reasonable Democrats (5%) combined with the Republicans (30%) add up to 40%. All he needs is 2 or 3 million Indys and he's President.

No VP consolation prize for Herman as he is a serious and wonderful candidate for President.

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Get real mudcat

The Republicans are never going to nominate a black guy. It's just not going to happen. If the Rs nominate Cain, then I will vote for him.

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JeffC & R Nomination

Do you believe that if Colin Powell had decided to run for President that he would not have stood a chance of nomination? Not only would he have been nominated, but elected! Too bad that family issues made that impossible.

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Powell

Family issues and Cheney. The General served his country well. We're grateful. If he had run as an Independent (if that were possible) - I agree - he would have been elected. Rove and Cheney would have fought him all the way.

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Mudcat

His 'brainwashed' and 'Muslim' comments have lost him many conservative African American votes. He never had moderate or liberal votes. It's too bad that the conservative 'right' has come to define the Republican Party.

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DM-Cains Muslim statements

OK, I'm about to start another firestorm I think. DM, you've spent a lot of time here explaining that Herman is losing African American votes with his Muslim comments. So lets analyze why he says what he says and doesn't follow up with a clear apology. What follows are my opinions of why he does what he does and my opinions only.

To get elected a candidate must win over the largest number of voters. Now I think that we can all agree that Herman is not stupid. Last I heard blacks make up about 13% of the population nationwide. I've also heard that as many as 85% of blacks have already committed to Obama. That leaves about 2% of the population that he might get back some of if he backs off of his earlier statements. However I believe that much more of the population would see him as weak if he did. If he were stupid or weak he would not be where he is. I submit to you that he just does not care about appeasing such a small portion of the populace. A good business man knows the numbers and works them to his advantage.

I know some are going to argue the morality of these statements that he has made and say that he should apologize even if it costs him the presidency. I don't intend to debate the morality issue. In my opinion 2 of the most moral presidents that we've ever had were Carter and Bush. And both were hated and seen as weak by many. Cain knows that he will not win this election by beating Obama in the black community. Therefore he doesn't try to. He knows that his target audience are people that would be very upset if he were to say he was going to imprison all Muslims but really don't see the fact that he doesn't want one in his cabinet as being as important as his ideas on how to fix this country. Again, I only bring this up as a possible reason for Cains statements with no real apology's. Just food for thought so to speak.

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G35 - LOL

Thanks for sharing your analysis. You can't lose what you never had. I thought he did very well tonight on Leno. He's after the Republican vote. Let's see what the traditionally red states do. It's not just the 'black' vote that Republicans seemingly have little interest in - but the other people of color in our country. . . .and (hold on) some 'white' people. I.e. Seniors, union members, educators, service providers, etc. What counts is who votes in 2012. . . .and that's an individual thing that neither your analysis or mine will influence. No need for a firestorm. It's going to be an interesting year.

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G35 is mostly right Mom

Only difference I see is that a Cain/Obama matchup will result in many of the "85% committed to Obama" sitting it out because they care only about skin color and they can see on their 50 inch flat screens that they are going to get a black President without having to trouble themselves to vote. Could make a difference.

Of course Cain doesn't have the staying power or fund-raising ability to last 13 more months, so it looks like next white guy in line - probably Romney and if Cain won't take VP (and he won't and he shouldn't), then logic takes you to Rubio. Romney/Rubio gives Republicans the White House for 16 years and that's how long it will take to clean up the Bush/Obama financial mess. Of course Frank, Dodd and many other deserve some of the blame as well.

16 years where the Republicans control all 3 branches of government - think of what happens in the Supreme Court. How many liberals get replaced in 16 years? Answer - all of them except the Hispanic chica. Obamacare disappears instantly. Obama is put on trial for murdering innocent U.S. citizens with drones. Well maybe not, Bush and Cheney weren't tried even though the caterwalling from libs was pretty specific about their "crimes".

16 years during which California, Vermont and New York secede from the US. New Governor Pelosi will blame California's bankruptcy on the feds and use wind farms and off-shore drilling to make the state self-sufficient. Any shortfall will be met by selling their electoral votes every 4 years to the highest bidder - Nevada always is the highest bidder, which is only fair since half of California's unemployed has moved to Nevada to work at the casinos - where business is up 1000%.

And then in 2028 some flaming liberal who is currently in high school will propose the Fair Tax as a way of getting the rich "to pay their fair share" and he or she will get elected. By then the Fair Tax prebate will be $40-50,000 a year and the slugs and the layabouts will see that as voting themselves a paycheck. Then much to everyone's great surprise, a thriving taxless black market will crop up practically overnight. Government revenues will be way down and the libs now in charge of everything except the Supreme Court will make up the shortfalls by increasing the Fair Tax from 23% to 60% and sit back and wait for the extra money to start flowing.

Can't happen? Why not?

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Quote: Only difference I see
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Only difference I see is that a Cain/Obama matchup will result in many of the "85% committed to Obama" sitting it out because they care only about skin color and they can see on their 50 inch flat screens that they are going to get a black President without having to trouble themselves to vote. Could make a difference.

A typical thoughtless condescending statement which keeps minorities on the other side of the aisle from the Republicans.

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Thoughtless and condescending, Moms? No way

that statement is either. You may want to focus on whether it is true or untrue. All one has to do is look at the exit polling from 2008 to figure that one out. The unknown is whether that huge group of first time free car, free house voters will turn out a second time - methinks not, but we shall see. And G35 dude(below) has it right about the blackmailed black voter. First of all that they were indeed blackmailed and secondly that Cain has no chance of changing their mind or securing their vote. Best thing for him is that the skin color crowd stays home and the election is settled by people who are voting on real issues like the economy and jobs - you know, people who actually watch the news and read newspapers and even listen to talk radio instead of Dancing with the Stars and Entertainment Tonight.

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What I perceive your words to say:
1. The majority of 'black' voters are 'free car', free house' consumers.
2. Majority of 'black' voters voted for Obama based on his skin color.

My questions for you:

1.What is your expertise, resident of Fayette County Georgia, regarding the majority of 'black' voters in this country?

2. Why did the majority of Americans (more than the 11% 'black') vote for Obama?

3. Why, if the vote was taken today, would Republicans polled by Rasmussen, vote for Obama?

4. Why do you feel that the community that has a 16%-30% unemployment rate ignore the political issues of the day?

I'm interested in your answers - and will apologize if I feel your answers are other than thoughtless and condescending.

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RWM & DM - Luck and a plan
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16 years during which California, Vermont and New York secede from the US.

No way we could ever be this lucky!!!! LOL

You know the more I think about Cain and his Muslim statements. The man could be even smarter than I gave him credit for. Think about it. You're an unknown black man from Georgia and you want to be president. Your first step is to become known so that people will talk about you. And listen to your ideas. One of the best ways to do that would be to create a controversy that would only upset the people that aren't going to vote for you anyway. And now look, we have a 3+ page of blogs about him!!!!!

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DM - My Logic

I think the Republicans would love to have the support of the blacks, other people of color, Seniors of all colors etc. But anyone that runs for office must take a stand. And you can't please everyone. So any stance (even by a Democrat) has to by definition alienate some people.

You must understand this if you intend to run for office and not waste a lot of time on people that you will not get anyway. You must focus on the ones you might get.

BTW, thanks for an open mind.

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G35Dude

I can't find your 'disappointment' post. Please repost. Thanks

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DM - Repost

It is on page 2 post# 115. I hate the way that this site sorts, or doesn't sort our posts.

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Cain as VP selection

Will be almost as effective as Palin!!! With the early primaries - he'll have a long time to share his foot in mouth disease. There are those on this blog who are supportive of Mr. Cain - but there is not a 'ground swell' yet. As you say - we'll see. Obama had everything but the kitchen sink thrown at him - and he's still standing. Even Republicans who are polled pick him above their current candidates. Interesting.

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CAIN: Who Says This Can't Happen!

Polls Show Cain Gaining Momentum
(from wsbradio.com)
http://www.wsbradio.com/news/news/polls-show-cain-gaining-momentum/nDxTz/

Georgia’s Herman Cain continues to see his Presidential campaign pick up momentum after his Florida straw poll win last weekend.
Two new polls show the former News/Talk WSB talk show host is getting closer to the leaders and the President.
A Fox News poll puts Cain in third place at 17 percent. Mitt Romney leads with 23 percent, while Rick Perry is in second at 19 percent.
The Fox News poll still says President Obama would beat Romney 45-42, but that is within the margin of error. Perry’s support is eroding. It dropped 10 points from the last poll in late August, according to Fox. Most of his supports went to Cain and Gingrich.
Meanwhile, a new Rasmussen Poll shows Cain is only five points behind President Obama in a head to head matchup. Mr. Obama would win 39-34 over Cain. In that match-up, 14 percent would vote for another candidate, while the other 14 percent are undecided. Cain was seven points behind the President in a similar poll last month.
Earlier this week, Cain was the leader in the latest Zogby Poll. He had 28 percent of the vote, a 10 point advantage over Perry and an 11 point lead over Romney.

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DM - I seem

to recall that you said that you knew Mr. Cain and that you disagreed with most of everything he said. This of course was way back when Mr. Obama was considered by some to be some sort of messiah.

I am sure at this juncture you won't recall making these comments.

As for how he will do in Georgia, I think he will manage to do quite well. You know that Mr. Cain doesn't wear his race on his coat sleeve like some other folks I read from time to time. ;-)

Oh yes, he seems to have some good ideas too.

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I have been very clear. I respect Mr. Cain and what he has accomplished in his life. I disagree with much of what he says and how he says it. I have not changed one iota. He has some fresh ideas based on his experience, but it seems, for some reason, his 'party' has ignored his suggestions for solutions. I congratulate him on his current accomplishment - and if you keep up with what I've said - those of you here who have been supportive of his ideas should be out there helping him. I have been in his company socially - and we did not discuss politics. His wife and I volunteer together in the Atlanta area. As everyone here knows, there is life outside of political campaigns. The President of the United States is someone I also respect. I am proud of what he is trying to accomplish - against odds that some consider insurmountable. I will continue to work for him to insure that he has another four years to accomplish working with other world leaders in getting our world economy out of this mess. I acknowledge only one messiah. I acknowledge our President as a young man raised by a single parent and loving grandparents who succeeded at the highest level in his education endeavors; served his community in Illinois as a state Senator; married a wonderful woman who makes us proud as she serves as First Lady - and is raising two wonderful young women. He is a Constitutional scholar and knowledgeable about the different cultures of the world as well as the history of our wonderful country. In a Republican poll, the majority of Republicans at this time, according to Rasmussen, would vote for Obama rather than the current candidates in the Republican Party. This may change - but this is the way it is now.

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DM - Thanks

for summarizing your position....Mr. Obama is a "scholar" of the Constitution but I would say that given his views, its the Constitution that's in his way in fulfilling his "vision". Thank God.

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Cain - jay Leno

Cain will be a guest of Lenos tonight. He's getting big time exposure. Leno has a tough audience. Let's see how Cain does in the liberal part of our country. Here's an opportunity to share his ideas with the country without coming across as a selective bigot. Clinton used 'late night' TV to his advantage.

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Cain - Leno

My Tivo is set to record. (I just can't stay up that late)LOL

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For those that have an open mind about Herman
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Welcome beck Cy. Been looking at all the cyclists on the roads

checking for that spandexed body of yours. Your room mate could not have been Roundie--he was in the maternity ward giving birth to another of his long and pointless blogs, giving us all heck for beleiving in God, country, family and good bar-b-que or just wishing our fellow man the best. Never changes---always same song--different but familiar verse.

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I Like Herman Cain But...
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Now Herman's confusing me worse than GP and Grizz.

He said on Leno he would ensure that everyone has jobs. *Conservatives have been telling us that the govt can't create jobs. I sense that somewhere, GOP straight talk has taken a detour.

On another note. If the Obama administration kills all of al Qaida, will the GOP THEN give this administration credit? It almost seems (not joking here) that my very conservative friends at work were sad this president got Osama. Seriously. Very bizarre times for pro military conservatives.

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Oh Kevin, Kevin

NO President, no matter what party or personality, ever "gets" anyone! If they're smart, they set priorities and then stay the hell out of the way! I suspect much of the credit belongs to Saleh, who, knowing that if he wants to stay in power and continue to receive US Aid (read buckos), then he had to give us something--all we had to know was generally where he was moving from-to-between and game over! The intel & predator folks are truly good at what they do--as long as political blockades aren't thrown up in their way---it's just fact--ya gotta learn to live with it! BTW, the Presidential order authorizing the CIA to hunt down AlQueda worldwide was signed in 2008 and Alawki put on the "capture or kill" CIA list in 2010.

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Athome. Help me understand.

Why was the day after OBL's killing a day of sulking republicans? I was amazed by the comments. No high fives. Just grumbling. The grumpy guy at the counter of the HWY 74 Post office: "It's not like Obama did it. Let's see him fix the economy." I didn't even bring the subject up. My other conservative bros emphasized how it was years and years of planning and kept talking about the president's victory lap. Really? That's the focus? Athome, anything that goes well in this country's war on terror is minimized by conservatives or explained away. Same with the economy; the DOW. NASDAQ. Fuel prices. Jobs. If the news is bad blame Obama. If the news is good ignore it or credit someone else. It's politics. I get it. I just thought that, as was the case on 9/11, for a brief moment we'd be above the politics with Bin Laden. We were not.

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Kevin & Sulking

Sorry, I didn't see anyone sulking after OBL was killed--maybe I just don't get out as much as you. Listen Kevin, NO leader worth his salt takes credit for accomplishments--it should always go to those tireless pros who actually do the work. And yes, you'll find it hard to find much praise for the current POTUS because HE'S NOT POPULAR and going downhill every week! I give him credit for making the decision to continue using Predators as offensive weapons against al quiada/taliban. And you have a fine CAVU day!
GYM

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You too gym.

We need to schedule a meat n potatoes get together before we go non current

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Kevin, Meat & Potatoes

Hey, YOU"RE the "outta town" dude---Oh, we'll be in Montana 18-25 Oct to celebrate our Son's 40th and visit with those 2 Grandsons!

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Kevin - I can't create a tomato
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He said on Leno he would ensure that everyone has jobs. *Conservatives have been telling us that the govt can't create jobs. I sense that somewhere, GOP straight talk has taken a detour.

But I can put a tomato plant in a good environment with enough sun, water and good soil and I will have tomato's. That is what the government has to do to create jobs. Put companies in a good environment here rather than making some foreign country a better environment. Opps I meant allow jobs to grow.

How would I do this? Well I'm glad you asked. ;-)

The corporate tax rate in the US is 38%. Second highest in the world. That needs to be cut in half. How do we pay for this? We no longer give subsidies to companies like the oil companies. No company that can make a profit on it's own would get a subsidy from the government. Next I'd do away with any export tax. And I'd increase the import tax considerably. Any company that makes a product here can send it anywhere without paying an export tax. If Honda wants to build plants here and put our people to work they'll have a big advantage over companies that don't. If GM wants to build cars in Mexico they'll pay a sizable import tax to bring those cars back here to sell them in the US. I believe that by putting people back to work, getting them off unemployment, and collecting income tax from these people our tax base will increase overall. OK now I'll get off my soap box.

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G35 Dude/Kevin/Madmike

Soapbox based on common sense - however, we are not alone in the world - and what we do affects the world economy. I think your solutions should be carefully considered and the immediate consequences analyzed so that we can come as close as possible to a win-win solution for the private sector, government (tax payers) and the world economy. Surely there is someone in Congress that has the brain-matter to sit down with economists and work this out!! Cain is getting a lot of positive exposure - and independents are listening. Some of these candidates and our president should incorporate/compliment him on some of his ideas - quick!! Madmike - I think he has overcome his nervousness. The Republican candidates are so busy bashing each other and the POTUS that Cain is beginning to smell like a rose. His weakness? Foreign policy - diplomacy.

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DM- We are not alone.......
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Surely there is someone in Congress that has the brain-matter to sit down with economists and work this out!!

Sure there is. But the problem is that each and every politician must first protect his/her supporters. Not the voters, supporters, you know the lobbyist that give this politician much o money to protect their interest. Also I'm fully aware that we are not alone in the world but I submit to you that charity begins at home. Once we have brought the USA back to where it belongs we'll once again be the first country to rush in anywhere in the world to help in a crisis. There is a reason that when you fly the airline hostess tells you that if the oxygen mask falls put yours on first. You must take care of yourself so that you are then in a condition to help others.

Last point. Yes Cains weakness is foreign diplomacy. I spent many years working in the electronics field. The best boss I ever had was one that had no electronics training. I asked him one day how he was so successful with no electronics experience. His answer: "You're right I don't know electronics. I know people. I know who to lean on to be successful." I think maybe Cain could be successful this way.

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Good points!

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Cain Can!

OOPs, the people are speaking and it looks like the anointing of Romney will have to be delayed! http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/07/poll-cain-surges-opens-up-20-point-lea... -GP