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label G35

No label from me G35. Just a good healthy discussion where we share our thoughts on the world. Differences help to maintain a balance. Finding common ground keeps the world from blowing up.

On another note you posted "I am what I am". Reminds me of another poster who we have not seen for some time. Are you him or her (popeye)

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T-man label

I've never been anyone else than G35 here. But I loved Popeye as a kid.

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T-Man & Popeye

Hutch posted yesterday--try to keep up!

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G35

Check out today's Rasmussen poll!

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DM - Obama vs Cain

I guess you're referring to the part where Obama leads Cain by only 5%? Let me start by putting on my fire suit. Just the idea that I like Cain seems to infuriate many here. (Not that their opinion will do anything to sway me)But it's very encouraging to see that it is that close. I (probably because of media bias) never really thought that Cain was a serious candidate. I just knew that he seemed to have solutions while the others spewed the old political double speak. I still think that he is the best of the bunch.

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Cain's Sensible Message and the Media
G35 Dude wrote:

I guess you're referring to the part where Obama leads Cain by only 5%? Let me start by putting on my fire suit. Just the idea that I like Cain seems to infuriate many here. (Not that their opinion will do anything to sway me)But it's very encouraging to see that it is that close. I (probably because of media bias) never really thought that Cain was a serious candidate. I just knew that he seemed to have solutions while the others spewed the old political double speak. I still think that he is the best of the bunch.

G35, you nailed it! The media anointed Romney from the start!
Independent thinkers see what is going on and wait for the day the rest of America wakes up. Well, the coffees brewing and America has rolled over in the bed! Herman Cain can win because his sensible message is being heard!
If you support Herman Cain get ready to be blasted, not only from the left but also from the republican establishment. Just remember this, if you are not taking flak you are not over target! -GP

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GP- Good quote
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Just remember this, if you are not taking flak you are not over target! -GP

I like that!!!!

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G35 Fire suit

Your like for Cain is understandable. He does have some good ideas and seems to have a plan rather than just talking points.

A President of the free World has to see all as equal and treat them as such.

How about twisting the arm of NJ Gov. Chris Christie to be the candidate.

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Christie's probably too centrist

He's for same-sex civil unions as long as it's not called "marriage" and said that "homosexuals are born that way." That is going to drive the fundies crazy and they are a force in the Repub primaries. I would love to see him up on the debate platform going at it with Bachman over that. He'd annihilate her. Good theater!

One thing Christie has over Rick Perry is that he's got the same straight-talking, blunt style, but is a helluva lot smarter than Perry who cannot think quickly on his feet as evidenced by how he gets frazzled when the stuff starts flying in the debates from all sides. That also reinforces the growing consensus that Rick Perry is not a real big thinker.

Christie's political views are more in the middle along with Romney than a pretty hard-right guy like Cain. Christie hasn't taken(or had to) stands on some issues since he's never ran before so he has room to maneuver unlike Romney who has flip-flopped a lot over the years.

Christie-Cain or Romney-Cain could be formidable if the powers-that-be decide that Cain's Muslim Cabinet remarks aren't a disqualifier. Considering all the asinine things that Biden says almost any time he opens his yap, overlooking Cain's comments could be somewhat easy.

I don't see Rick Perry winning the nomination. His strategists thought they could ride the huge media wave where he became #1 before he even entered the race, but they were unprepared for the inevitable spotlight and got swamped.
Romney-warts and all-is disciplined, well funded and organized, has plenty of experience in/out of govt and can probably get enough of the fundies to either vote for him or at least not vote and openly advocate against him. He's even heading to Mike Huckabee's TV gig and they aren't exactly fans of each other but Huckabee must dislike Perry even more.

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He's for same-sex civil unions as long as it's not called "marriage" and said that "homosexuals are born that way."

You know Nuk, I really don't care what people do behind closed doors as long as I don't have to see it. The homosexual union thing is not an issue either way for me. This country has serious problems that need to be addressed. And we need someone that can and will think outside the box to address these problems. However 90% of the candidates that we are forced to choose from are re-cycled hacks. As for Cain as VP no way. The excuse that the powers that be will use is the Muslim thing. But the real reason is that Cain is an outsider. Jesse Ventura said it best when he said "Politics is like wrestling. In front of the camera they're going to kick each others but. Behind closed doors they are best buddies." He also says that at the core there is not a dimes difference as to what they are really going to do. But they have a monopoly on elected office. The two parties exist only to make us feel like we can make a difference by voting for the other party when we get mad. That gives the peasants a way to revolt without bloodshed.

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T-Man - The candidates

I do expect Herman to implode. If I could pick a new candidate to enter the race it would be Huckabee. I just don't know enough about Christie at this point. And I know Huckabee has said no to a possible run but there's just no one else that I can think of. Romney and Perry are the same candidate in my mind. And they are prime examples of the polished candidates that I do not like. Bachman gives me a headache. Her plan seems to be attack front runners not lay out any plans of her own. Gingrich is interesting. He has a reputation of having a very high IQ. Brilliant mind but as with most people that have this high an IQ he has reputation for being disorganized. This frustrates the people that try to work for him and makes him an ineffective leader. I don't agree with Ron Paul's ideals. Guess I'm just too picky huh?

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G35 & Candidates

Sounds to me like you're just being a realist--and I happen to mostly agree with your positions.

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G35: Too picky?

I'm voting Libertarian Party no matter that they have no chance, so you're not picky if you're voting Repub and "same 'ol, same 'ol" :)

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Nuk-Libs

Actually Nuk if I thought the Lib candidate had a snowballs chance, I might vote that way too. Maybe even if he didn't I would vote for him but I don't know anything about him. The Dems and Reps will always freeze out the Libs. Nobody will include him in the debates so that makes it hard to know what he stands for or what his background is. (Beyond the Lib party's stance that is) Just based on Party ideals I mostly aline myself with the Libs also. I'm ashamed to say this but I don't even know the Lib candidate's name.

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I never thought I'd live to see a 'black ' president. The possibility of seeing a 'black ' man at the head of both tickets is just too much! LOL We've have come a long, long way! Evidently Republicans hear fresh solutions, however, Mr. Cain seems to have diarrhea of the mouth regarding minorities . There are minority social conservatives, but his statement today about 'blacks' being brainwashed was not wise. The Republican Party has done little to reach out to minorities since Reagan. We'll see how this will play out!

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DM Herman Cain

Would be our first black president?
However, Obama could keep the title of "First Redistributive Marxist President".
BTW, Your vitriolic "diarrhea of the mouth" comment was not like you. Maybe you are not hearing Herman Cain's sensible message? -GP

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GP - Credit

I give credit where credit is due. (Note who started this discussion) His STUPID statement of distrust of all Muslims - when we have a Muslim in our Congress and many American Muslim families who lost loved ones in 9-ll is insensitive ignorance. His sensible message (9-9-9) and others is being heard - even by the 'hate Obama crowd who supported Bush wholeheartedly for at least six years - until their pockets began to come up empty. . . and he established our journey in joining the downward trend of the world economy. Obama is our first 'acknowledged' black president! (But persons seem to have difficulty in realizing that there is no longer a 'pure' white 'race' in this country. Georgia Patriot???? Does that mean you're still fighting for your 'states right' to secede? Not so subtle GP, not so subtle at all. Marxist distributive president. Please. That is getting old - and did not 'scare' the majority of the American public - but made the T's look silly.

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DM _ Lets polish Herman.

In the past I've said that I hate polished politicians. You know the ones that may have certain views but they're smart enough to keep their mouths shut. The ones that know how to manipulate the masses. Still maybe Herman does need a little polish. I think he's going to self implode because he doesn't have this "polish". And that is too bad because he's the only one talking solutions.

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Herman

can use some 'polishing' - but he's not ready to tackle Obama next year. . . .and many Red state Republicans would just stay home rather than vote for him. He's already imploded by losing the 3% black vote that he had (according to the polls) by calling 'black' Democrats 'brainwashed'.

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Herman's chances

Truth be told I agree with you. But I would have almost bet my house that he would not win in Florida. So what do I know?

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So what do I know?

It's very unpredictable - and interesting! LOL!

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G35 dude. It was a straw poll.

Like the one that Michele Bachmann won in Iowa; like the ones Ron Paul won in '08. They are useless historical tools, more or less campaign fodder. Gallop and USA Today are far more accurate indicators.

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Kevin - Yes I know

But it gives Herman some creditability. The way I see it when he entered the race the odds were 100 to 1 against him. They are probably still 15 to 1 against him. (My odds to make a point) But at least people know who he is now and will take time to listen to his message. Hey he was just on the Tonight Show!

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March?

Yeah - don't go out and find a job! March! Marching will fix the economy!!

This 'president' doesn't have a clue and will be voted out in Nov 2012.

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Job Fairs

throughout the country had American citizens standing in line with resumes in hand. AMERICANS of all colors and ideologies are looking for work! The Republicans have not come up with a job plan that they agree with - and now are perceived as obstructionists regarding FEMA. The legislative branch of our government needs to stop the 'talking points' and take action for the American people. (This includes Democrats, Republicans, and Tea Party)

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DM

Unfortunately neither The President nor the Congress have any jobs!

Business has all of the jobs there is, but not 15,000,000. Some are tech jobs and there are not enough people who wish to learn that trade to fill what of those jobs there are.

The budget cuts wanted by conservatives will put about 2-3 million more people out of work!

It is going to be a long haul to overcome what we have wasted in debt and wars over the last 10 years! We were a Ponzi scheme!

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The "Marching" is to the polls next year!

By the way African Americans are about 30% unemployed as it is.
Where are these jobs you want them to get?

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Rebuilding

Would provide jobs on all levels. Republicans are too afraid to try some of FDR's policies. I would like to see some of our mathematicians, scientists and engineers work with the math curriculum in education. We need to upgrade what we teach students - the 'how and when' so that they are equipped to take jobs in the 21st century. A student can start applying algebraic principles in Kindergarten! I know I don't have all the answers - and neither do our legislators. What happens in the world economy will certainly affect any steps we take to get out of this mess. Eagles look good! ( Yeah - this old lady loves football!)

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DM- Finally you dissappoint me!!!

Hey, I'm all for every race creed and color coming here to discuss issues and learn from each other. But if you're an Eagles fan, we have to find a way to boot you out of here!!!!! LOL ;-)

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G35!

FOUND IT!! Oh, to my husband and sons horror - I cheer for them all if it's a good play! Just love the game. Now here comes the 'kicker'! I'm proud of Vick for making a comeback!! He's made a sizeable contribution to humane societies - and is a role model for 'thugs' who have gone to prison and feel that they now have to take on that identity for the rest of their lives!

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DM-Football

On 9/11/66 I was in Atlanta Fulton County Stadium when the Falcons kicked off their first game vs the then LA Rams. We lost 19 - 14 but Tommy Nobis became my favorite football player ever on any team. Some of my fondest memories of my childhood was attending Falcon games with my Dad who is no longer here. We lost most of those games then but I still loved the Falcons.

As for Vick, I was a big fan of his when he was a Falcon. I despised what he did. But I realize that he did his time and deserves one more chance. The thing I'm upset with him about is, and he has since admitted this, is that we didn't get a full effort from him while he was here. My feelings about him now are just that he's the QB for the other team. I don't wish him bad luck, except when he plays us. And I never wish an injury on anybody.

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G35! - Football

I'll join the men in the family - as long as they tolerate me cheering indiscriminately for any team that makes a fantastic play!! :-) Sons and football - an American tradition! I am an only child - but watched football with my dad!! (Memory makes life eternal)

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G35-football

Go Georgia! Putting a 'whuppin' on Mississippi!

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DM- Nice recovery !!!!

LOL OK now you're back in my good grace's. Go DAWGS!!!

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March away, Roundie-boo

Marching to the polls for Obama last time didn't do much for job creation in 2008, what makes you think it will work in 2012 when Barry doesn't have a freaking clue?

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Job creators

The Republicans continue to say that tax breaks encourage job creation. Well - where are the jobs from these job creators who have received these tax breaks? (Just asking since the executive branch and the legislative branch have been incapable of enough job creation to satisfy the need for the American people.)

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Job creators

Republicans and business are not job creators. That is just a myth.

They are just as much job eliminators. That has been the story of the past three years.

The best creator of jobs is the Government--teachers, police, firefighters, and many infrasturcure jobs.

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March, Lion!

Marching will create jobs! All you have to do is click your heels together, wish for jobs, pray to your messiah Obama, and march! The jobs will magically appear.

So, the best creator of jobs is the government? Since government sector jobs are the only sector that has grown in Obamaland, why isn't the economy better. Using your logic, the economy should be booming!

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Joe

Civil Rights marches did create jobs.

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March now!

Didn't all of you bedwetting liberals hear Obama's message last weekend?
Get out there and march for jobs! "Take off your bedroom slippers, put on your marchin' shoes. Shake it off. Stop complainin', stop grumblin', stop cryin'."

Note how he talked 'down' to the CBC. That evidently didn't set well with some folk. Maxine Waters Complains

"This country is so concerned with identifying / separating black and white." Some groups feel the need to separate themselves from the rest of us by race. The CBC, the NAACP, etc.

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Another perspective/Maxine Waters

Check out the AJC - Maxine Waters finds Obama's speech 'curious'. She and her constiuents are working for Obama in 2012. Nice try Joe.

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Joe

After Reconstruction -Senator Brooks didn't have a 'black' to caucus with. Separate but equal was not a policy started by minorities or women. Separatism became a way of life in America. . .and so the founding of separate but supposedly equal organizations. The 'Scot- Irish' IMHO have been brainwashed into believing that because of their 'skin' - they are superior.

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Infrastructure!

That's the word I'm looking for - many different new jobs under that title! Let's face it. . . the Republican goal is a one term Obama - and the American people can go to - - - - .

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Didn't we just spend a Trillion dollars on Infrastructure?

You know those "Shovel Read Jobs" that the President found out they were not so shovel ready?

Now we need another half trillion? What happened to the first Trillion???

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Shovel ready

Research the ideology of those who may have had 'shovel ready' jobs available. If only 'leaders' would put as much time into getting us out of this mess as they do into planning road blocks for the Obama administration.

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***sigh***

Marxist in America! Can't live with them can't just shoot'em.

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Public sector and infrastructure jobs

Lion, i think you do not understand the basic payment structure of all of these jobs. Every dime that these jobs make is taken from the bottom line of the private sector or from debt. Even the money that public sector people pay into the private sector for goods and services is on 60-70% of their income. The rest gets put back into the government coffers in terms of taxes. You cannot solve unemployment by placing everyone in the public sector unless you want to fundamentally change the economy in the US from a mixed capitalistic economy to a command one. You can cheer the creation of a bazillion public sector jobs, but eventually you cannot support the wages from the money taken from the private sector. This way of life is ending in europe now.

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History

and mistakes of other governments as well as our own should be used as guidelines in getting us out of this mess. Certainly somewhere in the world there are leaders who can sit down and use the lessons of the past so that we don't continue to make the same mistakes.. . and screw up again!

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Did a Repug Candidate Actually say:

Veterans groups criticized Rick Perry yesterday for saying on Sunday that the U.S. troops don’t respect President Obama. One group called Perry’s comment a “smear against” American troops’ “professionalism.” Yet when given a chance to clarify or back down from his comments, Perry yesterday doubled down. “If you polled the military, the active duty and veterans, and said ‘would you rather have a president of the United States that never served a day in the military or someone who is a veteran?’ They’ve going to say, I would venture, that they would like to have a veteran,” Perry told reporters last night.>>>> I guess "Herb" Cain gets a pass since evidently he had better grades than Duby Perry (aka: Bush II) and was important to the "War" effort. I guess them thar troops would have a problem takin' orders from some girl like Paleon or BachMann.

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Perry and education

Perry defended educating Texas children, even those who are illegal immigrants.

Republican conservatives attack him because education of such young people is not acceptalbe in their value system. Just like in Georgia.

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What is that "value" system?

If I went to Mexico or Guatemala, wonder if they would let my kids go to their schools?

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Congratulations Herman Cain!

DM, you never did answer the question when I asked you what you had against Mr. Cain, are you coming around?
People are sick and tired of "business as usual" Washington politicians, Herman Cain is like a breath of fresh air in a room full of smoke. -GP

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Georgia Patroit?

I will bet you a dollar right now that if you were given a chance to vote for Herman as the republican candidate---you would not.

When Adolph Hitler and Benito Mussolini and Mickey Mouse are running, who do you vote for? Mickey, of course. You punt!

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Wrong Roundy

Herman Cain has my support.
I have already donated to his campaign, he is a very good man and I would proudly vote for him! -GP

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Georgia Patriot:Cain

Well, maybe I was wrong, but I still think you would vote for Perry.

Mr. Cain maybe fits the democrats better than the republicans:
He is intelligent.
He is pro abortion in some cases; he is a Baptist preacher; he is totally illiterate about international affairs (thought Obama was raised in Kenya); he obtained most of his education while working for the Navy full time; he is for affirmative action; he would get few African-American votes, no TEA votes, and few right-wingers; he is and has been an "uncle Tom," most of his adult life.
He makes millions off Pizza!

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The Tea Party would overwhelmingly support Herman Cain!
And an "Uncle Tom"????????? That worn out race card BS will not play, or as Herman likes to say, "that dog won't hunt" in 2012. To intelligent voters honesty and the content of his character will be what matters,... hmmm, that sounds strangely familiar, almost like I have heard that before stated by some great person from history? -GP

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Georgia Patroit

Mr. Cain is a racist without doubt.

To say he would judge a Muslim differently before allowing him to serve in the government is racist.

His answer should have been that each and every person is unique and all can serve in the government no matter their religion or race. Some Muslims would not make the cut, some would. Just like everybody else.

The point is saying "NONE" should serve (like the African Americans and Jews for many years, is racist.

He "softened" his mistake later---but he wouldn't pick a Muslim anyway.

You know once upon a time Roman Catholics and the Pope were considered to be unqualified and dangerous! Each person must be considered fairly.

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Sick and tired?

I see this thing a lot but I have never understood what it means.

Are you really "sick," due to their being some politicians in Washington?
How about in Atlanta?

Now as to "tired," a good night's sleep ought to help that!

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I have nothing against Mr. Cain . I'm just don't agree with his ideology or the party he represents. I'm for Obama. Since there is a pregnant silence to my question, how do you think that Mr. Cain will do in Georgia? It is sad that members of his own party don't listen to some of his 'fresh' ideas. . . Maybe he should share them with the Democrats. Florida Republicans heard him.

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Mr. Cain could win here!
Common sense solutions like his 9-9-9- plan and his outside the beltway problem solving skills are just what our country needs!
People want to support a winner and the way he is starting to build momentum he just might have a shot.
It all boils down to whether you think the best future for our country lies with more government, more rules and more regulations or with a smaller less obtrusive government and more freedom for the citizens and businesses that will make America strong once again, personally I will always pick the latter. -GP

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Georgia Patriot: Cain

Mr. Cain would be the Interior Secretary (as promised) if the republicans win.

He might get 15% of the popular vote if he was the candidate. He is a "stalking horse." (say what some want to hear, although none of it will happen).

America is still "strong!" We have weapons unknown to most men. As far as the economy goes, when the election in 2012 is over, most of this hubbub will disappear. It is a way to get rid of President Obama even though he is not to blame.

Those government debt bonds will continue to sell as long as they are necessary. We currently only pay about 5-6% of the budget for bond interest---we can stand up to 15% easily.

However, it will take another five years to eliminate the problems with the construction industry for housing. Banks and Wall Street Ponzied that part into oblivion.

Jobs are going to be stuck at 8-10% (actually 18-22%) unemployment until other industries are started, or we decide to hire them all for WPA work. Maybe start some technical schools (free) for re-training the necessities. No matter, it will be five years.

Stupid politics won't solve it any sooner, the power struggle has to go through another election----then it won't matter what majorities we have, the same things will continue since there is no simple,. quick answer.

Oh, we could invade Pakistan, Iran, and Syria, and parts of Africa....that would put a lot to work, but raise debt to 20 trillion. (dem or rep.)

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Herman Cain can WIN IT ALL!

As far as America being still "strong", IMO we are rapidly becoming a third world country. Too big to fail bailouts, panic TARP and stimulas waste, jobs being outsourced overseas, QE1,2,3?, creating fiat currency out of thin air, throwing money at unproven technology, unfunded mandates, out of control EPA, wasting taxpayer dollars at every turn, creating an entitlemnent society for votes, these(and many other) items are not answers and do not make America strong. They are more like adding wood to Americas funeral pyre!

Yes, America is still alive but certainly not strong, more like on life support.

And yes, HERMAN CAIN CAN WIN! http://secure.campaigner.com/Campaigner/Public/t.show?Ne5J--9wfd-dW8FF4 . -GP

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2nd Tier

The US of A is already a Second Tier country. Only industrialized country that does not provide healthcare for all its citizens. Does not have the "Best" healthcare system in the world. Not at the top of Readin', Writin', 'rithematic. infrostucture falling apart. But we can whip anyone's butt militarily in less than 90 days (except maybe the Chinese) but can't finish the job in 10 years.

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Do you think Cain will win in Georgia?

Grizz: I doubt you're old enough to vote, but I hope you put your vote where your money goes .
My money and vote go to Obama!

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Too early to tell but he certainly has a chance. -GP

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Georgia Patriot. Here's my problem with the GOP philosophy.

You mention ideas to make "America strong again."
Which nations are greater than ours? Give me one country mightier than the United States of America. Why do conservatives have disdain for the United States?

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America is a strong country in spite of Obama

It was stronger, however, before Obama decided he wanted to "fundamentally transform" it into a socialist eutopia.

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So, Grizz, when conservatives say we'll be great again....

You guys are speaking meaningless gibberish. Standard. Trash the country because your guy or girl isn't President, but lack the spine to stand behind the rhetoric. Thanks for the clarity. I am curious though. Did the "socialist eutopia" happen before or after George W. Bush's taxpayer funded TARP?

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Wrong kevink

America is great, but it was much greater before Barack 'downgrade' Obama made it not as great as it was.

The socialist utopia happened after TARP. It is a result of Obama's 5 trillon in out of control spending over the past 3 years. It is a result of his failed stimulus plan and failed Obamacare that will be repealed in 2013.

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Now I'm confused mamma grizzly.

We were strong AFTER Bush's TARP? Then why did we need a TROUBLED ASSET RELIEF PROGRAM? Oh, that's right.... it's the Affordable Healthcare Act that hasn't even kicked in yet.... but we're still great though... just not as super duper as we were with a Republican President. Gotcha. I am certainly glad you are concerned with our credit rating downgrade. Reuters is reporting that Moody's considers President Obama's deficit reduction plan a definite UPGRADE :-). I guess you can call him Upgrade Obama now.

http://m.yahoo.com/w/news_america/moodys-obama-budget-unlikely-implement...

Moody's does not, however, think the obstructionist republicans will approve it. Maybe Mitch McConnel will change his stated NUMBER 1 GOAL FROM DEFEATING THE president politically to FIXING the economy. We'll see won't we.

Anywho, you might want to let your Georgia pseudo "patriot" know we're still kind of great. Your conservative den mate thinks we are a thrid world country on life support. Don't be too hard on him poo bear.

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My bruthah from anothah muthah!

kevink wrote:

Now I'm confused

Not surprised. You are a flaming, Obama die hard liberal, after all.

kevink wrote:

We were strong AFTER Bush's TARP?

Yes, we were stronger then than we are now. Obama's sheer and utter incompetence and over-spending brought the economy down. Can't you get that through your thick skull?

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it's the Affordable Healthcare Act that hasn't even kicked in yet

The idiotic AHA is already causing companies to re-think healthcare benefits and it is already causing costs to go up. Haven't you heard the term "unintended consequences"? Gosh, what an idiotic Obama sap you are.

So Moody's considers it an upgrade? NOT. You can't read either, can you kevink. It says....."if underpinned by reasonably steady economic growth"
Trouble is, the economy under Obama is shrinking. He doesn't want to grow the pie or make more pies, he wants to take the current pie, cut it into tiny pieces in the name of "fairness" and "spread the wealth."

Oh yeah, Obama's doing a great job. The only way to fix the economy is to defeat Obama. It is painfully obvious to the rest of us that have been paying attention that he's a menace to the safety and welfare of this GREAT county.

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Momma Grizzly. You only think he's a menace

to Fayette County because it's 100% Republican ;-). Have you heard how many more children are covered by health insurance now? Terrible isn't it? If we could only get back to the good old days of Bush 43 when the costs of medical benefits and wars were kept off of the books. sigh.......the good ole days

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kevvy-poo

No. I, along with many, many other Americans think that his policies are a menace to the future of this great country. He has taken our country down a few notches in his quest for income redistribution.

Don't worry about Obama care, it will be repealed after Obama is voted out of office in 2012.

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Grizz

There are some things to like and some things to leave behind with this President.

What do you not like about the New healthcare plan? (you call it Obamacare)Is it the million of kids who are now covered under the new plan?

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Tman: Kids insurance

No, what the TEAS, etc., fear is that their taxes may go up if everyone is treated equally for their health needs.
That and the fact that they may get treated for ailments without having any insurance.

They prefer to shame them at emergency rooms!

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Parents should be held responsible for providing children health insurance, just like they should be responsible for feeding and clothing them.

Obama wants to turn America into a nanny state, where the hard working will pay for those that are irresponsible.

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Grizz

How many kids are you willing to see suffer and die under your train of thought. Say 3 million or so. Do we prosecute the parents because they didn't have the money and or means to provide healthcare for their kids?

What are you saying here? If the parents don't take care of the child then the child should die?

That would place the US below the status of a third world country if you could get lower than that.

Killing the Healthcare plan is that important to you that you would allow children to die in droves. WOW

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Dearest Grizz, before we adopted our son....

He had no parent to hold responsible for his healthcare needs. So the bad old government and its "nanny state" agencies had to care for him until we came along to take over.

COMPASSIONATE CONSERVATISM at its best. wow.

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KevinK, compassionate conservatives...

... only care about zygotes and fetuses, not babies or kids.

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Hi main

It does seem like a philosophy of getting them born and then cutting. the programs that protect them after birth. Sad

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Healthcare is not a right

Cry me a river. The left and their irresponsible scare tactics try unsuccessfully to convince people that children will go without healthcare without government intervention. As it turns out, Obamacare is not so friendly to the health of children.

http://help.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Child-Only%20Health%20Insurance%20R... states indicated at least one insurance
carrier exited the child-only market following enactment of the new health care laws.
Accordingly, child-only health insurance access and competition in the market have
declined significantly since passage of the Act. These findings are consistent with
earlier surveys and highlight that the Department of Health and Human Services has
failed to take action to address problems created by new regulations. This precedent
raises concerns about the impact that similar changes, which are scheduled to go into
effect in 2014, will have in reducing access and competition in the insurance market.

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Cry you a river, Grizz?

Dead people don't cry rivers or even puddles. If my son hadn't been "coddled" by the "nanny state," what would have happened to him? We aren't talking hypotheticals like you *compassionate *conservatives oft times do. He was one of 500,000 plus KIDS in STATE custody. That means TAX PAYER DOLLARS keeping them alive. What happens when their "non-right" of healthcare is taken away Grizz? Would the GOP at least let tax money cover their funerals?

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America a third world country????

There would be one good thing that would happen suddenly on election day 2012 if a republican wins the Presidential election--immediately we would no longer be a "third world," weak country.
"Mission Accomplished~!"

Your math is terrible---Spent "5 trillion over budget last" 2 years and eight months (even if you credit him with two wars---NO!) The bank and car money has mostly been returned.

We will have to wait and see how much the health plan overspends! If more than now, we are in trouble! It is now one-third of our total economy.
Something had to be done.

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Comrade Kevin

I was speaking from a financial viewpoint when I mentioned "make America strong again", not militarily.
Distain? Unlike Obama I love this country! -GP

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georgia pseudo patriot.

If you want to convey financial weakness you might include any synonym for economy or finance. And if you read with your eyes open, you'll notice I made no mention of the military. Yep. You love your country which you call "third world" and "on life support." And you love your third world America on life support UNLIKE our President.

Once again Georgia "patriot," I'm not laughing WITH you.... I'm laughing AT you ;-)

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Komrade Kevin

It was your use of the word "Mighty" that conveyed the idea of military might. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mighty

If however you were inferring that our economy is "Mighty" than you certainly one of the politburo's more gullible minions. -GP

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Actually georgia pseudo patriot, I was referring to the country.

That's why I used that apparently unfamiliar term "The United States of America." I have to tell you. Yours is the weakest link I've seen in a while. See what you have to do to cover your tracks when you say silly stuff? But it's entertaining to watch :-D.

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Komrade Kevin we agree!

We can agree America is mightier than any other country in the world!
Much like a one-eyed drunk is mightier than a bar-room full of the blind!
Hopefully America will wake up and take out the trash in 2012. -GP

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Pseudo patriot. We don't agree.

Me thinks we rate much better than disabled drunks. And it's naive to think emerging nations like Brasil are blind. Things from a Republican standpoint just look worse since Americans are losing their freedom to keep gays out of the military or loving marriages.

If we take out the trash in 2012, I'll sure miss seeing the orange man on the Hill, but I won't miss Bachmann's voice. ;-)

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