American Atheist group calls for Christians to be eradicated.

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"The atheist community gets angry when we read about the antics of idiotic, ignorant and imbicillic [spelling his] politicians and celebrities like Palin, Bachmann, Beck, Limbaugh, Pawlenty and Santorum. We post our thoughts on our social networks and our blogs and try to expose these creeps for exactly what they are. Most of the GOP, just about all of the Tea Party movement and even some Democrats and Independents should be ashamed of themselves for going out in public wearing the equivalent of an intellectual diaper. We criticize them for their rejection of science in favor of their fairy tales and write our letters and support our advocate organizations when our legal rights are abrogated.
But the underbelly of fundamentalist Christianity and radical Islam does not operate in the legal system. They don’t respond to lawsuits, letters, amicus briefs or other grass-roots campaigns and they must, must, must be eradicated. Al Stefanelli, American Atheists’ Georgia State Director

Well Mr. Stefanelli your freedom to be you also includes my freedom to be free from you. The Constitution defends your Religious freedom. It does not guarantee your right to be free from Religion.
As long as I don't push my Religion down your throat why is it you feel compelled to push your Religion down mine?

Stay out of my business and I will stay out of yours. Simple is it not?

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Eradication?

If you look carefully at the quote and the original blog, Stefanelli is calling for the eradication of fundamentalist Christianity and radical Islam, which he sees as responsible for abortion clinic bombings, airplanes being flown into buildings and people being tortured for blasphemy, witchcraft, etc. I don't think he wants Christians to be killed.
By the way, the Constitution does indeed give you the freedom to not be religious, if that's what you choose.
Religious extremism can be pretty scary. I think I'll just stay away from it.

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Salem Witch trials...Really?

When was the last time a witch was burned in the United States?

Oh never mind that was Christine O'Donnell in the last election cycle...Never mind.

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Observor...read much?
Observerofu wrote:

When was the last time a witch was burned in the United States?

fear of "witches" is still prevalent... thankfully, not so much in the U.S.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33356826/ns/world_news-africa/t/african-chur...

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but religion is pushed upon everyone

what I get from “they must, must, must be eradicated” is the hardcore beliefs, NOT INDIVIDUALS.

I also don’t want to be told what I must do, how I must think, which Deity I must believe in.
If the fundamentalist get their way, it will no longer be the Land of the Free.
Isn’t America suppose to be a melting pot? Different people from different places with different views.
How can you have that with “One Nation Under God”

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Their views represent less than 1%

of the Christian belief in this Country but garner 90% of the hysteria from the atheist.

Does the cross on my Church offend you? To bad.

How about the one in my neighborhood cemetery? Tough.

How about it mu own yard? Nope not going to take it down.

You see you guys don't have a "Right" to be free from Religion you do have the right to not practice it however. Congratulations. You don't live in an Islamic society because if you decided you were not going to participate there you would just be stoned and I don't mean the California stoned either.

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The percentage that makes up the faction is irrelevant.

As history has shown, it only takes one individual to do great harm to others. And the “hysteria” would be rightly justified when it comes to these groups.

Why would I have a problem with the placement of a horizontal line on top of a vertical one? You can put it anywhere you want on YOUR property (according to local laws of course). It does not belong in the government or on public grounds.

As some say, the majority of Americans are Christians and believe this is a Christian nation. Whites are also a majority. So what if, instead of the word GOD. They used the words WHITE PEOPLE. So the currency would say “in white people we trust” & the pledge “one nation of white people”. See how that would offend others that are not part of that group.

I have a problem with laws that are based on or influence by a Religion, that is what I meant about Religion being pushed upon all. There are already too many and depending on our next President, could be many more to come.

By the way, if we did live in an Islamic society. You would have been brought up praising Allah not Yahweh. So yes, I am Blessed that I was born in this country. A country that doesn’t have religious laws so embedded into the government that I can speak freely about my thoughts and shouldn’t worry about death threats because my views don’t coincide with one's dogma

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Uhh Risque
Risque wrote:

I have a problem with laws that are based on or influence by a Religion, that is what I meant about Religion being pushed upon all. There are already too many and depending on our next President, could be many more to come.

By the way, if we did live in an Islamic society. You would have been brought up praising Allah not Yahweh. So yes, I am Blessed that I was born in this country. A country that doesn’t have religious laws so embedded into the government that I can speak freely about my thoughts and shouldn’t worry about death threats because my views don’t coincide with one's dogma

Our laws are based off of Religious principles and you can not simply ignore that.

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OOU

SOME of our laws happen to be about principles, religious or not.

Some are not.

I have trouble with water-boarding and many other tortures.
I have trouble with most killings by the state or any one else.

I have trouble with Hypocrisy, and many of our Christian idols are guilty over and over.

I have trouble with religious leaders covering up moral problems of their underlings.

I have trouble with the treatment of some humans due to being different.

On and On!

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Your rights

Your personal rights as an individual are protected...have your crosses. But OUR government's promotion and endorsement of the Christian religion at government meetings, public schools, on currency, etc is not constitutional. If the Constitution plainly says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." why do so many have a problem with the need to keep church and state separate? Our country is not a mob rule democracy...the side with the most supporters don't get to force their viewpoint on the rest of us. If the percentage of atheists amounts to one percent or less than that, it doesn't make a difference. The law should be the law. Not having "In God We Trust" on your money or car tags doesn't make you any less a Christian...if you need government sponsorship to affirm your Christianity, you may need to go back and read that "good" book again and ask yourself "what would Jesus do?"
The Second Amendment grants the right to bear arms...but the government doesn't promote Glocks or Kimbers or Rugers. Why should it promote Christianity over Judaism or Islam or Scientology?

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kimberlyinptc , present the whole amendment.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

At a government meeting if the pray it is because they can but you omitted that portion. ..prohibiting the free exercise thereof. The are not creating a new law. Show me where it is not constitutional.

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kimberlyinptc & constitutionality of prayer at Govt meetings

jeez kimberly, you need to get in touch with the Chaplains of the Senate & House and let them know they can't open Congressional sessions with a prayer anymore--I'm sure they'd appreciate you sharing that piece of info!

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Kimberlyinptc - Really?

"Our country is not a mob rule democracy...the side with the most supporters don't get to force their viewpoint on the rest of us."

You may want to go get some facts to back this up, last time I checked most Americans are very proud of the fact that we are a democracy and that we intend to spread democracy throughout the world, by force if necessary.

You are correct that democracy is mob rule, or as T. Jefferson wrote:

“A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.”

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eradicate christianity?

Oh, puh...leez. Get yourself some good meds...a mood stabilizer comes to mind.

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religious fundamentalism
Observerofu wrote:

...the underbelly of fundamentalist Christianity and radical Islam must, must, must be eradicated.

for example, the underbelly being abortion clinic bombers, and those who murder abortion doctors, the Westboro Baptist church crazies, people like Jim Jones (Jonestown) and David Caresh, Pastor Warren Jeffs the child rapist, pedophile Catholic priests. All the Islamic terrorists. Tell me Observor, why shouldn't these fundamentalist doctrines be eradicated?

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There is so much that could

There is so much that could be said to observerofu but I doubt that they would listen, hear or PROPERLY READ. I will stick to one point and that is the fact that MR. Stefanelli is NOT calling for the eradication of christianity. Quite simply, what is being stated and what should be very obvious to anyone of common sense, is that FUNDAMENTALISM in any form is dangerous and should be, if possible, be eradicated. That is all. Now, when one goes around and twists and misquotes someone's verbiage it is easily misconstrued and that becomes dangerous. That is when u need to be observed in my opinion.

And another thing, the constitution does guarantee freedom of religion and therefore freedom from religion if one should choose to do so. Do not push your or any religion down anyone's throat either at a town hall meeting, a city sponsored 'remembrance' event, a sporting event or at a school....Stay out of my business and I will stay out of yours. Simple is it not?

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gratefildoc please show me in the Constitution

where it says you have freedom FROM Religion?

So if one person objects that one person get's to decide? You know you don't like a prayer before an event don't participate. Stay seated or play your Ipod either way you have a choice.

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Check the first amendment.

There is to be no connection between church and state. We can't have a Muslim President praying six times a day on the White House Lawn and it has no Wailing Wall. No Buddha. No snake handler in the Rotunda!

Any government official of course can make any decision for which he is authorized considering his own personal religion, but any kind of worship to a Creator or otherwise causes problems. Praying to Christ at an official function is worshipping.

I know we do it now at some functions, but it causes trouble.

We have fought many wars over religion in the state, millions have been killed and maimed over that.
Will we never learn that religion is a private affair.

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It's about rights.

OoU I think you hit the nail on the head. Why does a small few get to decide for the masses? This country is majority rule unless the majority is harming the few. And to me if someone stands next to me and prays he is not harming me in any way. I am not being forced to take part. That is my right. So it is also my right to take part if I choose. It is not my right to choose for others or deny them their right to choose. Next election lets not elect our leaders by majority. Lets let the smallest group pick them for the rest of us so that they are not offended.

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Could not have said it better myself. I love it when someone wants to use the argument that that Christians reject science in favor of "fairy tales". While science can not prove that there is a God, it also can not prove that there is not one. That makes it a matter of faith. As it was intended to be. Even Einstein and Stephen Hawkin leave the door open.

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Who cares

I don't give a ratz azz what religion people practice, just don't freakin' legislate it for crying out loud.

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Eradication by atheist? Hey, go for it.

Those foolish pagans.

God is on our side.

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Roundup & 1st Amendment

Well, close but not quite on target. 1st Amendment forbids Congress from making laws that would establish a national religion But also guarantees FREEDOM OF RELIGION.

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Religion and 1st Amendment

The U.S. Constitution guarantees freedom of religion.

What it does not provide is for any religion to use the U.S. Government as a tool to further its religion or impose its religion on others.

The Evangalicals wants to use the Government to further its particular religious beliefs and this is wrong and unconstitutional.

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Lion believe or not I am going to agree with you

However who are these evangelicals that want to use Government?

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OOU: Here's my list

David Barton
James Dobson
Pat Robertson
Phyllis Schlafly
Robert George
Tony Perkins
Mike Huckabee
Michelle Bachman-pretty close at this point to some of Huckabee's positions, but has never advocated repealing the Establishment Clause of the Constitution as Huckabee has several times.

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What legislation

have they authored or have had their Representative author? What law-suits have they filed to force Schools to allow Prayer?

Just wondering since it seems the only group here that is using Government to force it's beliefs on others are the Atheist.

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GYM

And what does that mean?

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Flordia Atheist use "Unholy Water" to scrub away blessing...

FLORIDA ATHEISTS SCRUB AWAY HIGHWAY BLESSING WITH ‘UNHOLY WATER’ BECAUSE THEY‘RE NOT GOING TO TOLERATE ’BIGOTRY’

" Polk Under Prayer (PUP), that decided to bless the Pasco-Polk county line along Highway 98. PUP’s director said the act was done so that “God would protect us from evildoers, mainly the drug crowd, that they would be dissuaded to come in to the county.”

This gesture has apparently offended area atheists deeply enough that they felt the need to organize an event Saturday to symbolically scrub away the holy oils used by PUP to bless the county line. Bay News 9 reports that the atheists, organized by Humanists of Florida, used “unholy water” to remove the blessing and wash the road because it made them feel uncomfortable:

“But Humanists of Florida members don’t see it that way. They say it makes them feel unwelcome.
‘It sends a very bad signal to everyone in Polk County, and (anyone) who travels through Polk county who doesn’t happen to be Christian,’ Palmer said, ‘This event is not about atheist rights; this is about welcoming everybody into Polk county.’
So they took their ‘unholy water’ and washed the road."

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/florida-atheists-scrub-away-highway-bles...

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Freedom from Religion group goes after Woonsocket

What's a Woonsocket? It is a town in Rhode Island. There in the Town Square is a WWI memorial that has survived since 1921. So what has the FFRF crowd panties in a wad?

A Cross. Yep just a stone cross erected in 1921 to honor WWI vets and re-tasked in 1952 to honor WWII vets.

So this cross apparently "offends" the FFRF folk even though not one of them lives there so it must come down. They have vowed to sue if the Cross is not removed by next week.

The Town which barely has enough funds to pay it's workers are collecting money from the citizens to pay for a Lawyer to fight the FFRF.

Money and support have come pouring in from all over the Country to help fight the wackos of the FFRF.

I will say it once again.. I find it amazing that the very people that claim Christians are intolerant and wish to force their views on everyone else use the power of the Courts to force their views on everyone else and are the most intolerant of views outside their own.

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