Leaders of Arab Spring in Egypt admit the goal is Shari’a

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Do you remember Obama's speech ‘A Moment of Opportunity’? He pledged billions of dollars in aid supporting the recent uprisings referred to as the Arab Spring.
Obama pledged continuing aid for Egypt and Tunisia, pledged support for democratic reform Syria, Bahrain and Yemen.

Obama encouraged the Arab Spring to occur. It was typical Liberal arrogance when they mocked us when we told them that the Muslim Brotherhood would use this moment to secure
leadership and move Egypt into a more Islamic Fundamentalist position. We warned that the resulting tumult would hurt the economy. Did they listen? Nope.

Today Obama is not so hot on that Arab Spring.
“We’ve weathered the Arab Springs effect on oil and gas prices. The Japanese earthquake and tsunami’s effect on supply chains. The extraordinary economic uncertainty in Europe and recently markets around the globe have taken a bumpy ride,” Obama said this morning."

Also today another reminder of what happens when World political novices like Obama get involved with the Muslims and their nebulous agendas.

Shehato: “I am not exploiting democracy, since I have never joined and will never join politics or party activity… We believe that implementation of the shari’a [must be accomplished] far from the political game, though some [other] Islamic streams are willing to participate [in this game] in order to achieve the same goal [i.e., implementation of the shari'a].”

Shehato: “The Christian is free to worship his God in his church, but if the Christians make Problems for the Muslims, I Will Exterminate Them”

Shehato: “No, we will implement the shari’a through da’wa [preaching], while violence will be directed only at the infidel Arab rulers. In their case, there is no choice but to use force, though the shari’a does not call it ‘violence’ but ‘jihad for the sake of Allah.’ There is no other way… because they have power and weapons…”

By the Way 600 Al-Qaeda terrorist were released from prison in Egypt. Terrorist I am sure some innocent Israeli civilian will have to answer to with their lives.

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Egypt Brotherhood candidate stirs unease

"CAIRO (AP) -- The Muslim Brotherhood's surprise decision to field a presidential candidate is stirring fears that the two biggest powers to emerge from the ouster of Hosni Mubarak - the Islamists and the military - are maneuvering to put in place a new rule in Egypt not much different from the old, authoritarian one."

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_EGYPT_MUSLIM_BROTHERHOOD?SITE=...

What happened...? All the Liberals told us this wasn't going to happen. That the Muslim Brotherhood had no intentions of taking power.

Like so so many other things on Foreign Policy this too they got wrong.

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So SL, here's the thing

Exactly what would you have done differently? How would you have stopped Mubarak from falling after the army turned against him? You right-wingers talk a good game but you've got nothing but talk.

So what was your plan?

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So what was your plan?

America waits the answer.

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Yes DM

Silence when you ask questions like that. What are they going to say, yes we should invade Egypt and fight the Egyptian army to prop up Mubarak?

Syria is another scenario that you won't get a straight answer for. They are waiting for the President to take a position, then they will oppose it. Since they don't yet know Obama's position, they can't know what their position is either.

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Well Jeff I don't have to have a plan now do I

I was not elected nor did I run for office. I have never said that I have all the answers. BUT you did. You and your brethren encouraged the "Arab Spring" and said the Muslim Brotherhood didn't want power any way.

Like most typical Progressives in power Foreign policy seems to always sneak up on you and SURPRISE causes us problems.

Why is it Jeff that when a Liberal such as yourself fails to offer a cogent argument that the required response is "What is your plan"? Why do you believe that the only option available was the one taken and no other "plan" could have been found? Additionally why is it you Progressive types feel that if we cannot present a "Plan" then we are by default incapable of offering an informed opinion? I guess using your logic Cal might as well shut down this site since clearly we have no "Plan" ready to present on Cart Path crime or say a poorly designed Intersection thus no comments of same can be offered. An imbecilic argument Jeff.

btw- Jeff did the President get Congressional approval for that armed intervention in Libya or Uganda?

Now he says he don't need no stinkin Congressional approval.. The UN will do just fine.

Like I said Jeff/DM I don't have to have a plan... but then again neither does Obama.

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Apparently not SL

I love it when you on the right complain and complain about Obama and then when pressed have no viable alternative. How unfair of me to ask you for an alternative plan.

S. Lindsey wrote:

Like most typical Progressives in power Foreign policy seems to always sneak up on you and SURPRISE causes us problems.

You can say that with a straight face after the total foreign policy debacles of the Bush administration?

It's indicative of your sides failed understanding of foreign affairs that you think that the US can orchestrate events everywhere in the world. Let's not forget who destabilized the region invading Iraq with the goal of establishing a democratic government; an example that would sweep across the region.

You right-wingers only like elections and democracy if you can pick the winners in advance. Here's another surprise for you: if you hold elections in a country that is 95% Muslim, they are going to elect Muslims to office.

Btw: I'm happy with the Libya outcome. I wasn't on the side supporting Kaddafi.

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b-b-b-b-b-b-b-BUSH!!

Steve -

Note that JeffC failed to answer any of your questions, and just goes on to blame Bush like a good little bed-wetting Liberal.

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Yep I know them foreign policy failures of Bush

So many attacks after 9-11. How many more died after that?... Let's see NONE.

Jeff.. the problem with you guys is you really believe you are the most intelligent in the crowd. You believe your own propaganda.

How has Obama's plan of "talking" to Mahmoud Ahamdinejad worked out so far?

How did it go with your Father?

Bush at least got Congressional approval for his little wars.. When did Obama do the same? Oh that's ok right? Progressives believe in the power of the people until they hold the gun then they believe in the power of force.

"[W]e prefer to use the power of persuasion, but if that doesn’t work we use the persuasion of power." Andy Stern SEIU

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S. Lindsey wrote: So many
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So many attacks after 9-11. How many more died after that?... Let's see NONE.

4,282 died in Iraq, 30,182 were wounded. I count them. You do too.

S. Lindsey wrote:

the problem with you guys is you really believe you are the most intelligent in the crowd.

I can see how it must seem like that from the Party that offers as Presidential candidates these marvelous thinkers:

"So of course when you’re 90 miles offshore from Florida, you don’t want to entertain the prospect of hosting bases or sites where Hezbollah can have training camps or perhaps have missile sites or weapons sites in Cuba. This would be foolish." -- Michele Bachmann.

Hezbollah being a strictly Lebanese organization, of course.

"I’m ready for the 'gotcha' questions and they’re already starting to come. And when they ask me who is the president of Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan I’m going to say, you know, I don’t know. Do you know?" -- Herman Cain

Herman was just celebrating his ignorance, pandering to his base.

"We should be establishing relationships in Pakistan with allies of ours, folks like relationships with President Musharraf ..." -- Rick Santorum

Pervez Musharraf hasn't been president of Pakistan since 2008. He fled the country under suspicion of involvement in the assassination of former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto.

Here's Newt right before Obama instituted the no-fly zone:

"Exercise a no-fly zone this evening." -- Newt Gingrich, March 7

Obama institutes the no-fly zone.

"I would not have intervened." -- Newt Gingrich, March 23

"The only reports that we have say that there are elements of al Qaeda in North Africa and Hezbollah in the opposition forces. Let me ask you this: what possible benefit is there to the United States by lifting up and creating a toehold for al Qaeda in North Africa to take over Libya?" -- Michele Bachmann

There is no organization named al Qaeda in North Africa and Hezbollah was one of Kaddafi's staunchest backers because of his anti-Israel stance. They were hardly in the opposition. Of course it didn't matter at all. Bachmann was an ignorant twit just blathering and needed a terrorist organization and Hezbollah came to mind so she inserted it randomly as needed. She knew her supporters wouldn't know the difference. Or care.

"Yes, but under – but not under – Palestinian conditions. Yes. They should have a right to come back if that is a decision that Israel wants to make. ... I don't think they have a big problem with people returning." -- Herman Cain

What is there to say about this astoundingly stupid statement?

You are accusing me of "really believe you are the most intelligent in the crowd" when from my point of view I'm just pointing out that your Party's leaders barely have a public high school education about the world.

If you want to beat Obama, my advice would be to stick to hoping the jobs picture sours and the economy tanks and be grateful that foreign policy usually doesn't count in an election. Obama has a string of foreign policy successes and the Republicans are reduced to supporting Kaddafi and claiming Bush got Osama bin Laden.

Romney is not going to be able to criticize the Arab Spring without having something more. And if his something more is more of the neo-con John Bolton insanity that is the current Republican orthodoxy, Obama is going to obliterate him.

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JeffC - Some

real questions here, I know you and your father have been very critical of how Palestinians have been treated and believe that Israel should return all lands seized. I assume that you mean that this should be the land taken by them since 1967 but maybe not? Do you mean all land?

Anyway, if you could summarize in one brief statement what you believe to be the "solution" to the conflict between Israel and the Palestinian people, I would be interested in hearing it.

In general, what do you think is going on in the Middle East with the fall of all these dictators? Do you think "Arab Spring" is an appropriate moniker for these events? Or is the process underway there just an evolution toward a type of theocratic totalitarianism? If so, do you think this may pose a threat to the United States?

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Interesting times PTCO

UN recognition of Palestine would be a great start. This would give the Palestinians access to international courts. Israel opposes this because they do not want the Palestinians to have access to legal proceedings and venues whereby they can challenge the illegal Israeli settlements and try to stop the confiscation of their land in court.

Let us hope that "Arab Spring" turns out to be an apt moniker. I doubt that Egypt will devolve into a theocratic totalitarian state despite all the hysteria over the Muslim Brotherhood being in the government. Those people in the streets overthrowing Mubarak didn't seem to me to be trying to establish a theocratic regime nor willing to have one imposed. They are not going to impose sharia in Egypt.

The Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas and Hezbollah exist and represent huge numbers of people. If the countries where these groups predominate have elections, representatives of those organizations are going to be elected into office. This is a good thing contrary to mass opinion. This is how terrorist groups evolve from shadowy armed organizations into mainstream accountable political entities. It happened with the African National Congress (ANC), terrorists until they were elected into office. The same with the Kosovo Liberation Army, the same with the Irish Republican Army. In the Middle East specifically, that's what happened to the terrorist PLO which has now evolved into the official Palestinian government. Hezbollah now sits in the Parliament in Lebanon.

It was a huge mistake undermining the Palestinian election when Hamas won seats in Parliament. If they had been allowed to help form the government, they would then be responsible for schools, housing, roads, water and all the mundane things of government while at the same time, if a rocket were to be fired from Gaza, representatives of Hamas could be called out publicly in Parliament and held accountable. Instead, we opted for the alternative which is what we have now, Hamas as a shadowy terrorist group with vague accountability, usually by proxy.

We live in interesting times.

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Thanks JeffC

I appreciate your opinion on this, but if the Israels should get out of "settlements", shouldn't they also go out of existence? After all didn't they simply take all the land that they "occupy'?

It seems there are a lot of people in the Middle East that believe this and that includes most if not all the organizations you mention in your reply.

So, if we recognize Palestine as a state how will that change the goal of the the destruction of Israel by these organizations?

Isn't it more likely that the cause for all of the problems in the Middle East is the fact that there are 300 million people that live in poverty? Why do you suppose Israel has a standard of living far above the rest of the majority of the people in the Middle East? Do you think it could be that in general they have a free representative government that supports and encourages private enterprise and free markets? The countries that surround them have governments that are socialistic with central control of their economies. There are exceptions of course the most obvious Jordan, but the vast majority of these countries have a command and control economic systems. In addition, the vast majority are not based on representative government. Not even the "Arab Spring" countries are democratic.

So, how will recognizing Palestine solve these problems? Will it eliminate the corruption that we see throughout the Middle East? Will pull people out of their poverty? World courts may be able to eliminate those "settlements" but will it actually solve any of the core problems we see there? I think not.

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Barak Proposes Land Deal; Arafat Rejects Offer

ABC News... http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=82027&page=1#.T4BJvPtumSo

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak offered the most detailed description yet of his peace plan today, saying he would recognize an independent Palestinian state but would put off the explosive issue of control over Jerusalem.

In an animated speech to Israeli news editors, Barak spoke of a “phased agreement “ and said he was prepared to recognize a Palestinian state.

Arafat said no...

It's not about recognizing Palestine it is however about destroying Israel. Period.

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Show me the map SL

"Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak offered the most detailed description yet of his peace plan today"

What he did not offer was a map. The Pals rejected it claiming that the proposal split Palestine into non-contiguous islands as per this map:

http://www.palestineremembered.com/images/Palestine-Shrinking.jpg

The Israeli's denied this was the case but refused to produce a map of the proposal. See if you can find a map of Barak's proposed land swap for us to compare.

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You equate opposition to the continuing settlements as equivalent to opposition to the formation of Israel and recognition of Palestine as a state irrelevant because it won't eliminate poverty and corruption in the Middle East?

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JeffC - No

I don't have any problem with stopping settlements or even recognizing Palestine as a separate state. My question is how will this solve any problems related to the fact that most if not all of the organizations you mentioned want the destruction of Israel? Or how does it minimize the potential corruption by the state of Palestine, that already exists without it?

Forming such a state does nothing that I can see to eliminate the causes of conflict there, it does not eliminate poverty, it does not eliminate goals for the destruction of another state, it does not eliminate or even reduce the potential for corruption.

So, if it does none of those things then why do it? Why don't we do something else instead?

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PTCO - Palestinian Issue

What a mess.

As I have noted a few times on this board, I think David Ben-Gurion said it best -

"There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"

True to form, the Palestinians obviously have not accepted the original UN partition plan

I think the issue facing Israel, particularly those political parties that call for no negotiations and see the eastern border as the Jordan River and thus taking the whole West Bank, is how to make the Palestinians go away silently in the night without making it appear like another "Lebensraum" policy.

As for the viability of a Palestinian state, shaky at best.

On the horizon, water. Should aquifers located in the West Bank be used by Palestinians or for Israelis?

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Insight for the Holier than thou Jeff C.....

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Before I start I am a true independent with a conservative leaning. The party of the right has all but guaranteed Obama 4 more years by pushing Mitt R. And Rick S. as their bastions of hope ...too sad .But the Dems are no better. We now have a completely self absorbed inept and as I see it, fairly unintelligent joke in office.

1. There is al Qaeda in North Africa 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-17308138
http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/templateC05.php?CID=2592
Been there for quite awhile

2. I'll play the quote game with you..
And the Dems have a complete mental midget in office by your qualifications....,

"When I meet with world leaders, what's striking -- whether it's in Europe or here in Asia..." -mistakenly referring to Hawaii as Asia while holding a press conference outside Honolulu, Nov. 16, 2011

"We're the country that built the Intercontinental Railroad." —Cincinnati, OH, Sept. 22, 2011

"We're not trying to push financial reform because we begrudge success that's fairly earned. I mean, I do think at a certain point you've made enough money. But, you know, part of the American way is, you know, you can just keep on making it if you're providing a good product or providing good service. We don’t want people to stop, ah, fulfilling the core responsibilities of the financial system to help grow our economy." —on Wall Street reform, Quincy, Ill., April 29, 2010

"One such translator was an American of Haitian descent, representative of the extraordinary work that our men and women in uniform do all around the world -- Navy Corpse-Man Christian Brossard." –mispronouncing "Corpsman" (the "ps" is silent) during a speech at the National Prayer Breakfast, Washington, D.C., Feb. 5, 2010 (The Corpsman's name is also Christopher, not Christian)

"The Middle East is obviously an issue that has plagued the region for centuries." --Tampa, Fla., Jan. 28, 2010

"UPS and FedEx are doing just fine, right? It's the Post Office that's always having problems." –attempting to make the case for government-run healthcare, while simultaneously undercutting his own argument, Portsmouth, N.H., Aug. 11, 2009

"The Cambridge police acted stupidly." —commenting on a white police officer's arrest of black scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. at his home in Cambridge, Mass., at a news conference, July 22, 2009

"The reforms we seek would bring greater competition, choice, savings and inefficiencies to our health care system." --in remarks after a health care roundtable with physicians, nurses and health care providers, Washington, D.C., July 20, 2009

"It was also interesting to see that political interaction in Europe is not that different from the United States Senate. There's a lot of -- I don't know what the term is in Austrian, wheeling and dealing." --confusing German for "Austrian," a language which does not exist, Strasbourg, France, April 6, 2009

"No, no. I have been practicing...I bowled a 129. It's like -- it was like Special Olympics, or something." --making an off-hand joke during an appearance on "The Tonight Show", March 19, 2009 

"I didn't want to get into a Nancy Reagan thing about doing any seances." --after saying he had spoken with all the living presidents as he prepared to take office, Washington, D.C., Nov. 7, 2008 

"I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody." -- defending his tax plan to Joe the Plumber, who argued that Obama's policy hurts small-business owners like himself, Toledo, Ohio, Oct. 12, 2008

"What I was suggesting -- you're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith..." --in an interview with ABC's George Stephanopoulos, who jumped in to correct Obama by saying "your Christian faith," which Obama quickly clarified (Watch video clip)

"I'm here with the Girardo family here in St. Louis." --speaking via satellite to the Democratic National Convention, while in Kansas City, Missouri, Aug. 25, 2008

"Let me introduce to you the next President -- the next Vice President of the United States of America, Joe Biden." --slipping up while introducing Joe Biden at their first joint campaign rally, Springfield, Illinois, Aug. 23, 2008

"Just this past week, we passed out of the U.S. Senate Banking Committee -- which is my committee -- a bill to call for divestment from Iran as way of ratcheting up the pressure to ensure that they don't obtain a nuclear weapon." --referring to a committee he is not on, Sderot, Israel, July 23, 2008

"Let me be absolutely clear. Israel is a strong friend of Israel's. It will be a strong friend of Israel's under a McCain...administration. It will be a strong friend of Israel's under an Obama administration. So that policy is not going to change." --Amman, Jordan, July 22, 2008

"How's it going, Sunshine?" --campaigning in Sunrise, Florida

"On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes -- and I see many of them in the audience here today -- our sense of patriotism is particularly strong."

"Hold on one second, sweetie, we're going to do -- we'll do a press avail." --to a female reporter for ABC's Detroit affiliate who asked about his plan to help American autoworkers 

"I've now been in 57 states -- I think one left to go." --at a campaign event in Beaverton, Oregon (Watch video clip)

"Why can't I just eat my waffle?" --after being asked a foreign policy question by a reporter while visiting a diner in Pennsylvania

"It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." --explaining his troubles winning over some working-class voters

"The point I was making was not that Grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person, who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, you know, there's a reaction that's been bred in our experiences that don't go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that's just the nature of race in our society."

"Come on! I just answered, like, eight questions." --exasperated by reporters after a news conference

"You're likeable enough, Hillary." --during a Democratic debate

"In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died -- an entire town destroyed." --on a Kansas tornado that killed 12 people
Just let me reiterate before you get your liberal shorts in a wad....BOTH parties are now controlled by the fringe elements... and NEITHER has a clue about being an average American.
None of them are meeting in dark rooms plotting the deaths ,demise ,downfall of the elderly, infirmed, poor or downtrodden or especially any racial / ethnic minority.

So ,hop off that high horse take a good long look at your own party and in the mirror try realize if the current direction of this country is not changed ...... May God or whatever you profess your faith or lack thereof have mercy on us all.

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BAM opusman

That skewering was the price of my bringing up quotes.

You are right of course.

And BTW: I'm a born again Christian, thankful for the Resurrection here at Easter.

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Opusman said it so there

Stole my thunder but let's be honest the pickings are pretty easy.

Jeff you are mired in ideology. You are therefore an ideologue. You cannot see past it. Both forms of Government have left us in this mess. Neither side wants to admit it.

The left thinks they hold the moral and intellectual high ground in any discussion or policy implementation. The Right is no better. We just tend to not be so holier then thou.

Jeff if you can't admit that Obama has failed like we can admit that Bush failed then you will be unprepared for the disaster that many of us see is looming on the horizon.

Romney is not the answer, Santorum isn't either but then again Ron Paul isn't as well.

You see Jeff no one man or women is the answer. We are.. and until you and your progressive brothers realize this we are doomed to follow a path already laid out years before that will lead only to one destination. The destruction of America as we knew it.

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Please help us- the uninformed. What is the path out of this mess? Have you shared it with your elected leader? How are those who represent you in Congress responding to your suggestions?

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Dm like I told Jeff

I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER. It is not my job to create one either.

Have I been and still am politically active... YES.

Have I searched for candidates that come closest to my values...YES

Has anything the Progressives done in the last 12 years worked...NO

Does spending money we don't have work? Well the lowest hanging fruit is simply look at our School system Nationwide. We consistently fall short well behind most other developed Country's. The Progressive's answer throw more money at it. We have done so for 40 years and the improvements are?

DM money is not the answer. Government is not the answer. Entitlements are not the answer.

Why is it DM in order to have an opinion on something one must first have the answer?

Isn't it through discovery, discussion and debate answers flow?

The best answer I have is to return Government BACK to it's original intent restricts it's power to those issued it by the Constitution and have the people you and I return to self-reliance, self responsibility and Church Charity. Not the Goliath that Government has become.

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Has anything the Progressives done in the last 12 years worked...NO

It was not the Progressives who involved us in a 10 year war that has wrecked our economy and lost many of our young men and women. But under a Democratic administration, we are bringing our troops home; improving the unemployment numbers. and our economy is slowly growing; etc. We'll see where we stand in October 2012.

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Does spending money we don't have work? Well the lowest hanging fruit is simply look at our School system Nationwide. We consistently fall short well behind most other developed Country's. The Progressive's answer throw more money at it. We have done so for 40 years and the improvements are?

The school systems are still under the control of the states. Where is Georgia? (A Republican state)
Waiting for the 'other' party to come up with ideas for a solution and then opposing those ideas is not working either. It has not put the Republican Party /Tea Partynot as close to removing Obama as they had hoped.

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DM money is not the answer. Government is not the answer. Entitlements are not the answer.

Usually when one knows what is not the answer, they have some opinion as to what the solution may be. I remember when critics of the GI bill called that an entitlement.

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The best answer I have is to return Government BACK to it's original intent restricts it's power to those issued it by the Constitution and have the people you and I return to self-reliance, self responsibility and Church Charity. Not the Goliath that Government has become.

Lindsey - this is repeated very often verbatim by conservatives. What does this look like? What powers have been given to US (our elected leaders) that are not issued by the Constitution? We elect the persons in the Executive and Legislative branches of our government. They are us. The only members of our government who are not elected are our supreme court judges who are supposed to be above politics.

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Why is it DM in order to have an opinion on something one must first have the answer?

Usually one can articulate why one has an opinion for their opposition other than partisan rhetoric.

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Yes it was DM...Bush is a progressive as well

Big Government, big spending, Government nanny state. Interventionism and World empire building. All key components of a progressive.

On the constitution.. Show where in the Constitution the Board of Education resides or the Department of Energy, How about the Department of mining affairs or on and on and on....? All of these DM are NOT the powers given to Federal Government but yet resides there.

Finally DM why is it you never answer for your views but demand "plans" from me?

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Has anything the Progressives done in the last 12 years worked...NO

It was not the Progressives who involved us in a 10 year war that has wrecked our economy and lost many of our young men and women. But under a Democratic administration, we are bringing our troops home; improving the unemployment numbers. and our economy is slowly growing; etc. We'll see where we stand in October 2012.

DM you do remember CONGRESS voted for those Wars right? Unlike our current resident in the Whitehouse Bush at least went to Congress for his imperial expansionism. Progressives could have voted to cut off funds at any time. Did they?

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Does spending money we don't have work? Well the lowest hanging fruit is simply look at our School system Nationwide. We consistently fall short well behind most other developed Country's. The Progressive's answer throw more money at it. We have done so for 40 years and the improvements are?

The school systems are still under the control of the states. Where is Georgia? (A Republican state)
Waiting for the 'other' party to come up with ideas for a solution and then opposing those ideas is not working either. It has not put the Republican Party /Tea Partynot as close to removing Obama as they had hoped.

DM the educational system in America has not been under the control of the States for 40 years. The pseudo control that States have is mired in red tape, as well as, funding from the Federal system. A great example of what happens when you start eating at the Governments trough.

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DM money is not the answer. Government is not the answer. Entitlements are not the answer.

Usually when one knows what is not the answer, they have some opinion as to what the solution may be. I remember when critics of the GI bill called that an entitlement.

DM throwing money at it has not worked and never will. Money corrupts the system. Too many people want their grubby little hands on our money.

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The best answer I have is to return Government BACK to it's original intent restricts it's power to those issued it by the Constitution and have the people you and I return to self-reliance, self responsibility and Church Charity. Not the Goliath that Government has become.

Lindsey - this is repeated very often verbatim by conservatives. What does this look like? What powers have been given to US (our elected leaders) that are not issued by the Constitution? We elect the persons in the Executive and Legislative branches of our government. They are us. The only members of our government who are not elected are our supreme court judges who are supposed to be above politics.

DM it is really simple. The Constitution laid it out over 240 years ago. The Federal Government has 18 powers in which they can appropriate funds for and exert power over... All other issues are covered by the States. What do you think has made us the Greatest Country on the face of the Earth? The Freedoms of the people have made us the innovators and business makers of the World. Not Government.

We will soon return to this form of Government or to a more totalitarian form. Events will force this change.

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Why is it DM in order to have an opinion on something one must first have the answer?

Usually one can articulate why one has an opinion for their opposition other than partisan rhetoric.

DM-In my years of posting on this forum I have probed your ideology from every direction. Most of the time you refuse to answer or engage in a debate on your views. Ask anyone here who spouts the party line and here is a hint..it would not be me.

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Lindsey

Thank you for your input. Have a great day. :-)

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You too DM Happy Easter

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Oops again!

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Here's another one - from yesterday

Obama: GOP vision results in 'poisoning our kids'

the contrast between visions in this election could not be more stark, because I believe that America is stronger when we’re looking for one another."

When we're looking for one another? Someone can't even read their own teleprompter.

The pathetic excuse that America has as a 'leader' goes on to say that everything that America has done up until he came into office has been a dismal failure and he doesn't want to have to clean it up "again". What a douche-bag Obama is. He goes on to talk about a trickle-up economy where the poor make the rest of the country rich. Yeah- good one Barry, and here I though Joe Biden had the lower IQ between the two of you numb-skulls.

Barack Obama is a nothing but a bad joke that was played on Americans. I'm glad people are starting to seeing through is nonsense and will vote him out of office this November.