This is WAR

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Lighten up, Francis.

Even The Tea Party is declaring war on The Tea Party.

http://m.yahoo.com/w/news_america/blogs/ticket/civil-war-tea-party-group...

Who knew :-D?

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kevin didn't you just chastise someone for using

"opinion" pieces as sources?

Just asking.

The problem here kevin is this. The hateful rhetoric from your party will incite those that are looking for an excuse any excuse to to bring chaos to our streets for whatever reason they can dream up. This "WAR" speech will give creditably and legitimacy to their supposed grievances.

When it happens understand we warned you.

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Observer? Are you calling it an "opinion"

That Dick Army's Tea Party organization is protesting the California Tea Party Organization and its decision to host Mitt Romney? That isn't fact? Really?

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Your link was an opinion piece kevin

the same thing you just chastised I believe Joe for using.

Just saying.. Throw stones don't go home to glass houses.

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Observer. It is sometimes almost sickening to converse with you

Because you know better. A Washington Times editorial took White House quotes of "promote diversity" and "equality," and changed that to "Civics-minded whites need not apply." Then, even worse, bloggers tried to claim the explicit racist language was actually from our President. That was not truth. That was dishonest.

Is it true or not that Dick Army's Tea Party group is protesting The California Tea Party group over an extended invite to Mitt Romney? Is it true or not, Observer? We aren't talking opinion. Is one Tea Party group on record in protest against another, or not? Do you even believe what you put on here in desparate defense of the fractured Tea Party? The social conservative side versus the fiscal conservative side? The Tea Party which does no wrong and has no flaws? Forget glass houses. you might want to shop for padded walls.

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I DON'T CARE KEVIN

You can keep trying to obfuscate the issue and ignoring the topic if you wish. I have no desire to.

I don't care what some bloggers did. I don't care what one group of teaparty people talked about.

I do care that elected Congressmen/women are stirring up hatred and racial tensions. You obviously DO NOT.

Believe me people like you sicken me as well. You would promote your democrat/progressive party over the benefit of your own people.

You are a sell-out to a party. A race war will not be beneficial for us kevin. I have been in one and it scares the hell out of me. Guess what WE LOST that one too.

It took years for the people in my neighborhood to recover. Going out and burning businesses and homes is one thing going up against a warned and armed populace prepared to defend that property is another.

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Just a reminder from our military forces...

'I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America from all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC...' If it ever gets that ugly, it'll get ugly alright...

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I don't care

describes your opinion exactly. Your lack of intelligence bases the attitude/words of one black Congresswoman as the attitude of an entire group of Americans. Unless you were alive in 1902, you haven't been in a RACE riot. The media called subsequent 'riots' based on race - because they were in 'black' areas. The last 'riot' in LA involved parts of the entire city. The rioters represented 'whites', blacks, Hispanics, and Asians. Vermont Avenue was torched. Parts of Fairfax were torched. I WAS THERE! WHERE WERE YOU? If you could stick to the truth of an argument - your sick purpose would not be so transparent. Look around you. I think you live in Fayette County. 20-30 years ago, the peace we see here among neighbors would have been unthinkable. Yes, there is crime in Fayette County. Criminals do come in all colors. Residents of Fayette County who happen to have more pigmentation than others are equally concerned about their safety and property values. What are you doing to build good relations among neighbors here in Fayette County? WHO BURNED THE HOMES IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD FOOL? White people? That was not a race riot. That was an explosion of pent-up emotions that had been smoldering for years in Los Angeles - the 'riots' that I have lived through have been in LA. You don't know what you are talking about. Main streets in 1965 and in 1992 were destroyed; most HOMES were not even touched. You and Charley Manson are a pair. He's locked up. You have the freedom of speech. Don't use your American freedom to instigate here in Fayette County that which doesn't exist in 2011. There are those who would like to see a 'war' between the races here. Don't be the lackey who gives them ammunition. Talk to your pastor. Don't confuse your ideology with your Christian duty to love your neighbor as yourself - even if he/she is the same color.

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Davids mom, why is no public figure on that side

speaking out publicly against the over zealous rants of these war and hate mongers?

And why are you beating down anyone who would?

Could the fact that you and others like you beat these people down be the answer to my first question?

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You know BHH, you'll just have to expand your information gathering beyond Fox News. Not every member of the CBC agrees with Maxine - but for some unknown reason, conservative media can't seem to find enough room to print others opinions. When one person asked who is Rachel M., I realized that just maybe another side is not being heard. Is Thomas Sewell 'public' enough for you? There are many organizations, educators, clergymen who are far more effective than an opposite rant that does nothing but cause further division. What's wrong with singing the praises of harmonious relations?

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Charley Manson?

O and Charley Manson are a pair? O has said nothing to deserve that. What she has said is that people like you, that constantly drag race out and rub it in people's faces over and over do nothing but instigate.

To say the LA riot wasn't a race riot is nuts. You weren't the only person there. To say whites and asians were in on it is a lie. "The rioters represented 'whites', blacks, Hispanics, and Asians. Vermont Avenue was torched." BS! You are one twisted sister. In that riot they pulled a white 18 wheeler truck driver that couldn't turn around, out of his truck and almost beat him to death with a brick bat. If there hadn't been a black woman who felt like O there, the guy would be dead. she got him back in his truck, risking her own life, and got him out of there.

The riot was over the Rodney King verdict. Rodney king was beaten by police after a high speed chase. The police had run his tag and knew who they were chasing and got out of hand. King was not a 'little bo peep', July 27, 1987: King his wife while she was sleeping, dragged her outside & bet her some more. Was suppose get counseling but never did. King has since been charged with beating another wife and a daughter.

November 3, 1989: King beat a 90 lb Asian store owner with a tire iron. King was arrested and charged with assault with a deadly weapon, second-degree robbery, and intent to commit great bodily injury. He was sentenced to two years in prison, but was paroled on December 27, 1990.

It was a race riot. There were no rainbow colored people doing a happy march. 53 people were killed.

What O keeps trying to tell you is to quit your racial stirring the pot. As someone else just stated, for her efforts you try to beat her down or into submission. I don't think you are going to accomplish that.

My take on it is I think O would like it if people found what they had in common and moved forward instead of dregging up the same old garbage.

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You're entitled to your 'take', and I'm entitled to mine. Why don't you get some old news clips of the ''92 riot. See who is banging down the door at Parker Center. (Do you even know what Parker Center is?) The white trucker was represented in court by a 'black lawyer' (Johnny Cochran) - and it was more than one black resident who helped the white trucker. White students were arrested for looting/ USC guys out having fun; Hispanic residents were in the street - it is a Hispanic area; Koreans were on their roofs protecting their businesses with rifles; and school children were 'locked' in their buildings until it was determined it was safe for them to be transported home. YOU WERE NOT THERE!

So - oou is a black woman. Well, it seems the only time the pot is considered 'stirred' is when an unpleasant but truthful event is revisited. What is this wonderful black woman doing for those students and families who are not fortunate to live in Fayette County? Why did she feel she had to 'hide' her identity? I've never met a black woman who was not proud of her heritage. Interesting. For anyone to spend his or her time researching and regurgitating 'hate' to prove the validity of 'hate' - has a problem. The Civil Rights movement throughout our country would not have been successful without the cooperation of 'blacks' and 'whites'. For a 'black woman' to enjoy the lifestyle in 2011 in Fayette County, GA - and not celebrate the progress that has been made is interesting. I understand the feelings of some white males who for the first time experienced legal racism. (They call it 'reverse racism' = but they have only had to endure it for a relatively short time. It was the way of life for 'blacks' in the south and elsewhere until the mid 60's. . . .and we've come a long way since then. If celebrating progress in the south is stirring the pot - I'm going to keep stirring suggarfoot. I stand by my opinion that Charley Manson and OOU complement each other!

LA is not an all black/white town. Take a look at a very sad time in the city's history. Criminals come in all colors.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmsKGhLdZuQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4KRRE0DPqg&feature=related

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DM your opinion is noted

Let's review.

Your stated purpose here is to bring race to the forefront.
You throw up the Southern Strategy every chance you get.

You bring up the past sins of the white community often and blame that past racism on current events.

But when someone else brings up an opposing viewpoint you call them racist and now liken me to an insane killer.

DM I will tell you like I told bacon. If you can't argue logically without rancor and insults then you have no argument.

You can't even find it in your heart to state that using race to divide us is wrong no matter who does it.

DM Rev. Wright must be your Pastor because my Pastor believes as I do. It's time to put aside rhetoric and using Slavery as an excuse for every failure of our community. People like Farrakhan, Jackson, Sharpton and well you are what has held out community back for decades.

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Your slanted view of my purpose based on the talking points of someone else are noted. I have in almost all of my posts brought out some positive aspect of race relations in America. You pride yourself on pointing out the hate that exists in America when discussing race. You don't need a human pastor to determine the right and wrong of a situation. You can't celebrate your progress unless you know the 'starting' point - unless you study and understand history. Americas' preoccupation with race has made an unnecessary problem for this great country. If anyone is interested, you might want to view Henry Gates 'View Thyself ' documentary (2010). There are very few pure white or black people in these United States. What I have learned from these discussions is that attitudes are difficult to change if one feels superior or inferior to someone based on skin color rather than character or actions (how we treat one another). I don't know of any 'black' person who will say that their church services are/were concentrated on race relations. . rather than 'human relations'. The church became involved in securing civil rights for it's members - and this was before the celebrated 'movement' that the press picked up on. When discussing human relations, in these United States, where persons of one color were treated differently than persons of another color, race will enter the discussion. Many churches here in Fayette County don't need the discussion because their actions speak louder than words. I hope you are a member of one of these churches. You claim to teach Sunday School. I hope your preoccupation with 'hate' does not 'color' your lessons.

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DM: skin color?

I do not think that skin color is the defining reason for what you propose.

Most races in the USA nowadays generally accept others purely based upon their actions.

Let me play a round of golf or have a nice meal with any race and I will usually be able to tell just who they are.

If they cheat at golf or fumble for the bill it says a lot.

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'Purely' doesn't fit some of the attitudes expressed on this blog. My experience here in Georgia would certainly agree with 'mostly'. How do you define my proposal?

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I said "most" races!

The problem also is visible between people of the same race!

What is the problem: Lack of trust, language differences, chip on the shoulder.

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Round - agree

Lack of trust based on past experience or 'teaching'; we're in agreement - it is a human relation problem that has been 'colored' by race. Unfortunately, our apartheid system is difficult to overcome. There are still those who don't want to associate with others (from all color groups!) - based on skin color. In FC most residents have kindred goals, regardless of color. . and approximate the 'dream'.

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DM: Agree? How?

I don't know what you said or meant!

"Lack of trust based on teaching?

A human relation problem colored by race?

Our apartheid system?

And approximate the dream?"

I'm sorry but it is not clear and sounds still like trying to use words first tolerable, then more words confusing the first words!

Until you finally recognize that little to no progress will be made until errors in actions by too many must be berated diligently until it is understood that such actions are not acceptable and there will be consequences.

I give you 2 examples: Wall Streeters, banks, and con artists, ignored.
APS school cheaters and forgers set free.

These will occur again since the NO punishment isn't a deterrent! Just reassignment or allowing resignation teaches nothing!

Some races with a small percentage of the population are causing more trouble than the rest combined! Too much of it is overlooked by their seniors!

In any country, acceptance by a minority can not be accomplished and tolerated by the majority until they see responsible ones trying at every instance to stop the evil dooers as GWB says.

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Points made and argued DM

Nuff said.

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Someone asked me to ask you - do you think that the Southern Strategy should not be discussed when discussing politics in these United States.? What do you as a black woman have against mentioning the Southern Strategy? What are you doing to address some of the failures by some members of 'our' community? Black women have been at the forefront of actions that are significant in the healing of racism in America. Focusing on the hateful organizations in this country (the Nazi Party, The New Black Panthers, The KKK, - which are identified as hate organizations by the federal government ( there are many others) is not a positive activity. What help organization are you working with to alleviate the consequences of community failures? Conservative and liberal women work side by side in these endeavors. Women of all races are involved. Community failures are not exclusive to the black community. I have always expressed that I and my family are not victims of slavery, but survivors. I, like you, am not ashamed of my heritage or what my family has contributed to this country. I am proud of the contributions that black Americans made/are making to American history. (Crispus Attucks, a black man was, the first American to die in the War of Independence) Mistakes have been made regarding the treatment of Asians, Hispanics, Italians, Irish, Jewish , Arab and African Americans. To try to justify these mistakes rather than correct them will not improve race relations. There is no justification for treating humans unjustly. By the way, the talking point about the 'sins' of white people must be referring to someone else. If all 'white' people were sinful, we would be in a mess. I'm sure you have just missed my celebration of the white/black cooperation throughout our history.

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“Your slanted view of my purpose based on the talking points of someone else are noted. I have in almost all of my posts brought out some positive aspect of race relations in America.”

Don’t make me laugh! You have done nothing but stir race into every conversation on this board you could worm it into for YEARS!!!! Many people many times have called your hand on it. I, for one have done it several times and you know it. Just today, someone said you were trying to beat O into submission. When day after day, year after year, independant people tell you the same thing…can it be true?

Well now O is calling you on it and because she is black, you can’t stand it! You are a relic of the past and a bad one at that. You have done everything in your power on a daily bases to divide the races of Fayette county if you can. There are blacks running for office in this county. With your continual race baiting, you cloud their hopes of being looked at for their merits.

I still think you preen and prance in front of your mirror at night in your worn out old black panther jacket!

Score: Observerofu 7 David’s Mom 0

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OOU & Gender

MARK my words:--someone pls tell me why they think OOU is a Black FEMALE!

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It's my high tenor voice

either that or I look really good in a teddy. ;-0

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OOU & Teddy

The shorter, the better (that's two MARKs against you) ,and may you forever be immune from the EPA! BTW you would have enjoyed the session between Mike King, Kevin King and myself on Friday--Mainstream got there at the end. Know what, not one word of politics or race ever surfaced, not one. Steve would have been a welcomed addition. Ah,yes, there's always a next tme!

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Maybe one day

I can meet up with you guys. I know Steve talks about it all the time.

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Observerofu ?
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either that or I look really good in a teddy. ;-0

WOW, I've been staying out of this until now. But I have to ask, (any chance we can see a couple of pictures?) LOL

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Check out his/her responses. Please clarify if you can. Thanks Suggarfoot seems to know.

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DMom, OOU & Gender

No, I won't check HIS responses--becauseI know who HE is. Face it, Sweetfeet suckered you in and you're too focused on your own issues to realize it. Next thing I know, you'll be telling us that Kevin King is a caucasian!

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No unless it is in context
Davids mom wrote:

Someone asked me to ask you - do you think that the Southern Strategy should not be discussed when discussing politics in these United States.?

What does the Southern Strategy have to do with today's politics?

Answer NOTHING.

Now if you are talking HISTORY then a contextual argument can be made.

However you bring it up to TAR today's political adversaries DM.

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Today's politics and Southern Strategy

Your answer is wrong. Of course I'm referring to 'history'. Why would you think it would TAR today's politicians? Looking forward to your answer. LOL! Watch your 'stories' - the truth is always so much easier to keep up with. You 'guys' tried this once before - and your games are transparent, but very entertaining. LOL! Now it doesn't make a hill of difference regarding your sex to me - must be sort of important to you. I really don't think anyone else cares. Suggarfoot - kids keep score. Have fun.
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???? DM

I am beginning to worry about you a bit.

Are you ok?

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Wow, Kev...

...I didn't realize that elements within their own parties disagree with one another. Gee, that's NEVER happens with the Dems or GOP! The Tea Party movement is the best thing to happen, politically, since the turn of the century. The 2-party system divides the nation right down the middle, just as President Washington predicted 2 centuries ago. The Tea Party is simply the voice of the people, uniting to be heard, responding to what they believe is a lack of representation by the current pols. I applaud their efforts, but of course not the extreme rhetoric, which is found in EVERY party.

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We have tried third parties several times and they have done far more damage to all of us than if they never existed.

They always aren't willing to bargain fairly for what they want a little at a time.
They want it all at once with most of it either scary or dumb.

They are like those third parties of the past who have struck at our weakest people for their backing and from there use scare tactics on our strongest. The frivolous unthinking attacking the serious leaders.

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Some research for you OOU

On his Fox show, Bill O’Reilly argued that the unrealistic demands and tactics of Tea Party activists and lawmakers are actually self-defeating:

O’REILLY: The only thing that can save Barack Obama at this point is craziness on the right…It’s not only going to hurt the Republican party, which has already been hurt, but it’s going to save President Obama who they hate…The irony is, the people who dislike President Obama the most…are helping him the most. You’ve got to stop this hateful rhetoric. Some of the rhetoric is so hateful…it’d spin your head around.

Maybe he's referring to this type of stuff:

Rush Limbaugh: "I tell people don’t kill all the liberals. Leave enough so we can have two on every campus -- living fossils -- so we will never forget what these people stood for."

Ann Coulter: "We need somebody to put rat poisoning in Justice Stevens' creme brulee."

"Some liberals have become even too crazy for Texas to execute, which is a damn shame. They're always saying -- we're oppressed, we're oppressed so let's do it. Let's oppress them."

Melanie Morgan: "I would have no problem with [New York Times editor Bill Keller] being sent to the gas chamber."

Melanie Morgan: "A great deal of good could be done by arresting Bill Keller having him lined up against the wall and shot."

Lee Rogers: "The day will come when unpleasant things are going to happen to a bunch of stupid liberals and it's going to be very amusing to watch."

"The Political Insight": Go hunt them down and do America a favor. Get their photo, street address, where their kids go to school, anything you can dig up, and send it to the link above. This is your chance to be famous -- grab for the golden ring.

RedState contributor "Thomas Crown": I repeat: Should the entire American Left fall over dead tomorrow, I would rejoice, and order pizza to celebrate. They are not my countrymen; they are animals who happen to walk upright and make noises that approximate speech. They are below human. I look forward to seeing each and every one in Hell.

Rep. Jim Gibbons, R-Nev.: "I say we tell those liberal, tree-hugging, Birkenstock-wearing, hippie, tie-dyed liberals to go make their movies and their music and whine somewhere else. It is too damn bad we didn't buy them a ticket to become human shields in Iraq. "

Ann Coulter: "My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building."

"We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed too."

"They are either traitors or idiots, and on the matter of America’s self-preservation, the difference is irrelevant. Fifty years of treason hasn’t slowed them down."

"God said ... rape the planet -- it's yours. That's our job: drilling, mining and striping. Sweaters are the anti-Biblical view. Big gas-guzzling cars with phones and CD players and wet bars -- that's the Biblical view."

"I have to say I'm all for public flogging."

"I think women should be armed but should not be allowed to vote."

"Liberals hate America, they hate flag-wavers, they hate abortion opponents, they hate all religions except Islam, post 9/11. Even Islamic terrorists don't hate America like liberals do. They don't have the energy. If they had that much energy, they'd have indoor plumbing by now."

Daniel Kish, a senior adviser to Rep. Richard Pombo, R-Calif., in an email: "Connecticut should have its statehood taken away from it. The foolishness of its pampered residents should be demonstrated to others by a government program to bulldoze the entire state, salt the land and construct a windfarm to supply NYC with electricity. And its residents should be relocated to Guantanamo Bay where they can take a number behind the 3 who hung themselves this weekend, since they seem so intent on suicide."

"Sock" Sokolowski, to Stephanie Miller: As with Cindy Sheehan the best thing that could happen to you would be seeing some WONDERFUL activist sticking an AK-47 up your Glory Holes and sending you into eternity.

Letter to Al Neuharth after his criticism of the war:

The Patriot Act will put both of you (Neuharth and Greg Mitchell) on trial for treason and convict and execute both of you as traitors for running these stories in a time of war and it should be done on TV for other communist traitors like you two to know we mean business. Communists like Al and Greg will soon be in prison and on death row for your ugly papers. We own America and all the rights, you people are trash, go back to Russia and Africa and take your friends with before we put you on death row after a fair trial.

Glenn Beck: With that being said, you are a Democrat. You are saying, "Let's cut and run." And I have to tell you, I have been nervous about this interview with you, because what I feel like saying is, "Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies."

Bill O'Reilly: Everybody got it? Dissent, fine; undermining, you're a traitor. Got it? So, all those clowns over at the liberal radio network, we could incarcerate them immediately. Will you have that done, please? Send over the FBI and just put them in chains, because they, you know, they're undermining everything and they don't care, couldn't care less.

Michael Reagan: "Howard Dean should be arrested and hung for treason or put in a hole until the end of the Iraq war!"

Amber Pawlik: I don't really consider the Democrat party a party of the people anymore, nor do I consider the socialist Democrats (they are not "liberal", that's just a euphemism for socialist anymore) "nice people who are misguided." I consider them to be pure, raw evil, who want to destroy everything rational or beautiful in sight: success, prosperity, even the very security of the country.

KVI's John Carlson, discussing Sen. Dick Durbin: This man is simply a piece of excrement, a piece of waste that needs to be scraped off the sidewalk and eliminated.

Melanie Morgan: "We've got a bull's-eye painted on Nancy Pelosi's big, wide laughing eyes."

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Your above quotes..........

.....I can not vouch for all of them as being authentic, but I have seen at least that many more different ones which I can vouch for.

Not since those who wished to keep slavery opposed those who wanted to abolish slavery costing hundreds of thousands of lives and millions of wounded, has there been such idiotic excitement about spending money for the benefit of our people.

I actually suspect that the polarization was anchored to hell with the election of our current President. The hatred connected with that and what they think he represents--having no love for the country who put him there--, they think, is the major reason for such unwarranted actions.

However, we can not ignore those hounds of selfishness and treasure who aggravate the ignorant on with such statements as you announce.

This country isn't about to turn over our government to those who wish corporations to run it! Nor royalty, nor communists, nor socialists, just Trumanish-like representatives in Washington will do.

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locke what is your point?

Show me any ANY of what you posted where anyone said they wanted to hang some one from a tree. Show me in any of what you posted that it was time for WAR against a group of people. Show me in any of what you posted that the opposing party wanted to KILL the other.

I can.

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The point OOU

The point was that you posted this blog saying: "I have been documenting the hatred, the rhetoric for some time that certain people with a certain ideological bent have been saying."

I had noticed that too. I didn't know I was limited in my response but as far as "Show me in any of what you posted that the opposing party wanted to KILL the other", I believe if you reread my post, you will notice phrases like: "put rat poisoning in... sent to the gas chamber... lined up against the wall and shot... put you on death row after a fair trial... arrested and hung for treason".

I did not, as you noted, include a "hanging" quote. There are so many examples to choose from that I couldn't possibly include everything, but since you asked:

"A tea party gathering in Asotin County, Washington turned more than a bit ugly on Saturday when a featured speaker actually called for the hanging of Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash), the fourth ranking Democrat in the Senate and a vulnerable re-election candidate."

Tea Party Speaker: Hang Patty Murray

"... documenting the hatred, the rhetoric for some time that certain people with a certain ideological bent have been saying" is a two way street.

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locke the point is not some speech

from a few people not elected to hold Federal office.

You see locke when elected officials calls for open warfare against a group using race as a factor it legitimizes people like King Shabaz and his new group of haters.

There will always be some people who use strong rhetoric locke. There is a difference, however, when it turns racial.

btw-an unattributed "quote" from the Huffington Post is not a credible source. Not disputing it was said, but did you notice that a race was not mentioned. That's because it was a white on white comment if it occurred at all.

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New Black Panthers: Teaches "Black survival" to KIDS

NEW BLACK PANTHER PARTY MEMBER TEACHES ‘BLACK SURVIVAL’ TACTICS WITH GUNS AND MACHETES…TO KIDS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h2n3vJo7Xo&feature=player_embedded

Like I said. This violent rhetoric from the progressive party will legitimize the real radicals in our Country. It will only take one act of violence from either side to start another race war in America.

This is to the Progressives among us. Gort, Lion, Kevin, Dmom and the rest is this what you want? Is this the outcome you are working for? To kevin and dmom both of whom like myself are Black Americans if you are not calling your Congressman telling them to stop this now then you are part of the problem not part of the solution. Tell the CBC to stop this violent rhetoric now. Political disagreements are expected but telling people who will use this as an excuse for violence to go to WAR with the teaparty is treasonous at best grossly negligent at least. If one drop of blood is spilled because people like Maxine Waters and Andre Carson and many others promoting violence against a group of political adversaries then the clock will be turned back to a point where we might never recover.

This must end. Because if this is allowed to continue events will be taken out of our hands and it will be too late.
Instead of jerking the "Conservatives chains here work with us to get this stopped now. This is a fire you guys are building and many are going to be burned.

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Oou...

...shocking, yes, but predictable when energizing the downtrodden w/ simple rhetoric. To be fair, there are plenty of 'white' anti-government groups that 'train' the same way - the 'Minutemen' in Montana, the numerous White supremacist around the country (esp. those in S. Missouri that trained McVeigh & Nichols), et al. It's the burden we bear in a free society; in China, Korea, Iran, etc...they'd be snuffed out before their first videos, blogs, circulars, etc. Vigilance by our citizens and law enforcement agencies are paramount in stemming these 'tides'. Reason, education, and dialogue are our best defense, and trying to ignore the 24/7 media stream whose lives depend on our addiction and overreactions to EVERY little event.

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kcchief I know

but I am very concerned with the violent rhetoric coming from the CBC. This will not end well.

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It didn't...

...for the victims of the OKC bombing, either. Domestic violence/terrorism does nothing except hurts many of our own citizens, but then again I'm preaching to the choir. Political discourse is the very lifeblood of our representative democracy, but the move to physical action, ala violence, is where it must stop.

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Observerofu. you are sounding like a street preacher, man.

This must end! Call Congress! Like I said earlier; Lighten up, Francis. I'm not calling Congress because you said to. Hope the world doesn't end tomorrow. It seems to have continued to turn as you've ignored Tea party rhetoric. But we need to call Congress? Laughable man. Laughable.

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Oou

My Congressman is Moreland . . and yes, he hears from me. He celebrates the progress made in race relations - as do most thinking conservatives. He verbalizes that he does nor support the 'hate' talk from either extreme. What does 'your' representative say? Why are you waving the 'hate' flag?

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War? Against Unemployment

The CBC is meeting the needs of their constituents! With 16% of the African American community unemployed, who has time for this 'race war' foolishness? The New Black Panther Party is an avowed hate group - not a progressive party. . . .and there are counter hate groups among other ethnicities in this country. This is what the CBC is involved with now:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/62441.html

http://newsone.com/nation/newsonestaff2/cbc-job-fair-black-unemployment/

Thanks obserVerofu for trying this distraction. The main concern of Americans now is JOBS!!

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Ok fine you were warned I'm done

Go ahead Kevin, Dmom keep playing that race card...keep playing to lowest common denominator.

Keep pushing the bigots on both sides to violent action. You obviously want this.

Just remember that old adage. Be careful of what you wish for.

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CBC wants jobs, DM?

What the democrat members of the CBC want is more gubmt' handouts for their districts. There's a reason that black unemployment is at such an obscene level - they're represented by race-baiting racist idiots like Andre Carson and Maxine Waters who tell their constituents that the only way they can make it in life is if the federal government gives them more money.

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Maximus/ CBC

Instead of adding to the hateful rhetoric, check out those articles that I shared and note the number of constiuents of CBC lined up for work - not handouts! Also note the companies who were there offering work to qualified candidates. What is your rep doing for you? I know, you have a job - why you may very well be an employer - so what do you hope to gain by advocating or supporting domestic violence? Oou's not so subtle attempt to start a 'race war' is very transparent. He/she is not the only one trying this distraction. ( check out other sites/discussions) The only people in the streets in Waters area are those lined up looking for work. What is the unemployment rate in FC? What steps are our reps taking to boost the economy in our area? Domestic violence/ terrorism in the US is practiced by those citizens interested in undermining our form of government and includes members of all 'races'.

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Dmom I have a question for you

are you really this STUPID???

Davids mom wrote:

Oou's not so subtle attempt to start a 'race war' is very transparent. He/she is not the only one trying this distraction. ( check out other sites/discussions)

What Hateful/Violent rhetoric have I engaged in DM? Where have I said that White people want to Hang black people?

Where have I said that White People want to KILL black people?

Where have I said that a political adversary can "Go straight to HELL" and that I would help them do that?

Your precious CBC and Progressive party has done that and oh so much more.

Have I not said this must stop?

Have I not said that you and kevin, instead of covering/excusing these remarks, should be calling them?

Have I not said that this rhetoric will stir up the bigots on BOTH sides?

Dmom yours and kevins lack of response lack of calls for civility is deafening. Tells all what we already knew. Your closet is just a little too scary.

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Oou/ Grizz

Keep posting. Lack of civility? Interesting. Look at the title of your contribution. I have pointed out the harmony that I have witnessed in FC. You proudly point out the hate that you have shared from the larger community. Follow your own advice and stop. That would be a beginning. Saying "Go straight to hell" is not acceptable. Dwelling on the unacceptable does nothing for getting jobs for our citizens. You are getting attention, but it's negative. Do you have anything constructive or positive to add?
The publication I shared is not for 'blacks' only. It gives the news from the black community. Anyone may read it . The black community like all communities in these United States is looking for work. JOBS! That is the four letter word that is important to all.

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Davids mom

The caption at the top of the website states "For Black America", not "from" the black community as you stated. The publication excludes everyone but black people, and therefore is a racist publication.

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Dmom where was your civility

when you were calling the teaparty racist?

Where was your civility when you called ME a racist.

Another good example of the pot and kettle metaphor.

Come on DM say it with me:

"I hear-by denounce all political rhetoric which includes any overt or covert racial language used in the expressed or inferred intent to cause tensions between races of all colors."

Just copy and paste this to your next post DM.

btw-on that jobs thingy maybe if this administration had of spent the first year working on the economy instead of spending trillions of dollars on wasteful bureaucratic programs we might be out of that recession today.

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Davids mom

Can't read the article from "Newsone". It's "for Black America" only.
Whites need not apply.

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OOU

Stop stirring the pot!!

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DM

Tell that to the CBC DM. Tell that to the race baiters and race pimps DM.

The pot is being stirred by them ignoring it will not make it go away.

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The CBC has organized the large corporations in our country to participate in job fairs. What has the Tea Party done to put Americans back to work? The residents in FC have reportedly an unemployment percent below the national average. That is to be celebrated - yet there are too many foreclosures and closing of businesses to garner joy in FC. Race relations in FC is much better than in some parts of our country. That is to be celebrated. Fayetteville was just recognized as one of the 10 best cities for retirees in the country. That is to be celebrated. There are black residents in Fayetteville - some whose families have been here for many, many yearsl. Most new residential developments/neighborhoods in Fayetteville are integrated. Many churches in Fayetteville are integrated. Business owners include black/white/and other races in Fayettevile. There are Black Republicans in Fayetteville/Fayette County that you have maligned by your broad generalizations regarding the CBC AND black people in general. You are no better than what you accuse Waters of doing. She has given a broad brush to the Tea Party. You have done the same with black citizens. However, she has the power to help by organizing job fairs for her constituents. You have no power - and have nothing constructive to offer American citizens. Your saving grace is that you are a prime example of a fear monger - hoping to permanently divide American citizens. You're failing.

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Davids mom

In one breath, you state that Observer of U has no power. In the next, you state that he is trying to divide America.

The only party in power that I see trying to divide the country is the Congressional Black Caucus with their hate speech at the job fairs. Why you try to defend the indefensible is very telling about your lack of character.

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WAR-Let's focus on the big picture

I think we should focus on the really big picture instead of issues that divide us.

Why is America in the shape its in? Why is Europe in the shape that its in? No jobs, no economic growth!

Why? Because we have out sourced everything to a country that unfairly manipulates it's currency and limits free market activity so it can unfairly dominate various industries financing it's companies to dump cheap products on world markets to dominate and maintain their own high employment at the world's expense.

Of course we have a jobless recovery. Of course we are in a depression. That's because China has the jobs and currency surpluses of the world, draining western countries of assets.

Let's not blame George Soros, The Black Caucus, Obama...let's blame ourselves for our addiction to cheap products. Artificially cheap products.

It's time to demand we bring these jobs home, i'ts time to adjust our tax code to reward companies that produce in America and hire Americans and punish those that outsource to China.

Look at the big picture. We will never fix the problem until we rebuild and produce in America and I'm not talking about producing hamburgers and fries at MacDonalds.

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PTCRightnow: Ahmen.

I had the "buy American" conversation with a fellow blogger not long ago. You are correct. There will be no or limited economic recovery until we can slow down outsourcing. How amazing is it to ship raw materials to China so that we can buy the products made with them from China? It would be hard to make up such an economic situation were it not true. I hope politicians read your post :-).

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PTCRightnow: Ahmen.

I had the "buy American" conversation with a fellow blogger not long ago. You are correct. There will be no or limited economic recovery until we can slow down outsourcing. How amazing is it to ship raw materials to China so that we can buy the products made with them from China? It would be hard to make up such an economic situation were it not true. I hope politicians read your post :-).

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ptcrightnow

"Let's not blame George Soros, The Black Caucus, Obama...let's blame ourselves for our addiction to cheap products. Artificially cheap products."
New blood on this site with the courage to not only identify the underlying rationale for our economic woes, but to lay the fault precisely where it belongs, our own feet!

Allow me to introduce that since the passage of NAFTA, the manufacturing/industrial capacity of the USA has been on a slippery slope. Sure it remains quite substantial, but a far cry from the world dominance America once boasted. Sure, things might just cost a bit more, but I'm of the opinion that the term "Made in America" can be returned to its rightful place.

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MIKE: not sure about the "bit" more

Tariffs on incoming goods used to supply us with operating money long ago.

The problem with "made in America" is that the extra cost to make it could be much less than now. How is that possible? well, from the cost of raw materials, to the preparation of raw materials for fabrication of components, to the actual production and sale of the item everyone wants too much money for overhead and profit.

Large American companies at one time (into the 70s) wanted to own every step of the way from the land the raw materials existed all the way to distribution and sales.
If one area had some problems, another might could pick up the slack.

This can't be done in small and Internet companies due to volume.
Do you know one product that Amazon actually makes any part of? Yet
they want their standard 35-40% gross. What does "GOOGLE" do?

A million small store fronts now must have 40% gross margin to pay the overhead and an owner's salary. Walmart can survive on 10%.

The military has actually changed their management systems to operate more efficiently, yet the products they buy (ships, planes) are far over-priced by a zillion contractors and sub contractors and sub-sub contractors and extremely high wages. (and too many former vets).

The original current Navy GM Destroyers at one time needed 400 people to operate one of them. Now they train sailors to perform 3-4 jobs before they go shipboard, reducing the manpower to maybe 250.
That doesn't solve the entire problem however since the ship cost a billion! Electronics didn't cause the manpower savings, operating efficiency did.

Without the ability to sell a product to other countries we have and no one else does, we can not survive on serving one another and making few products with the exception of war materials and some technology.

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Hoffa has no qualms about declaring WAR

"take those son-of-a-bitches out" Love the applause from all the mindless sheeple who are ready to get the pitchforks and torches. Typical union thugs who disgrace organized labor.

http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/0911/touchy_opener_98b4764a-610f...

Never seen a group as small as the Tea Party scare the hell out of so many libs who constantly say they welcome running against the TP and how it's "great for labor" and all that BS. Sounds like Hoffa is afraid enough of them that he'll instead settle for just wiping them off the planet.

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Nuk was just about to post it

""We've got to keep an eye on the battle that we face -- a war on workers. And you see it everywhere. It is the Tea Party."
Then, Hoffa looked at President Obama and said, "President Obama, this is your army, we are ready to march…let's take these sons of bitches out.""

Funny how when you think of Hoffa you think MOB.

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Nuk_1, the GOP has been waging war

with labor for over 100 years.

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Teaparty Zombies must DIE!!

and it just keeps on coming...

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/tea-party-zombies-must-die-new-online-le...

The Left are such "peaceful" folk.

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Oou; suggarfoot

DM:

The residents in FC have reportedly an unemployment percent below the national average. That is to be celebrated - yet there are too many foreclosures and closing of businesses to garner joy in FC. Race relations in FC are much better than in some parts of our country. That is to be celebrated. Fayetteville was just recognized as one of the 10 best cities for retirees in the country. That is to be celebrated. There are black residents in Fayetteville - some whose families have been here for many, many yearsl. Most new residential developments/neighborhoods in Fayetteville are integrated. Many churches in Fayetteville are integrated. Business owners include black/white/and other races in Fayettevile. There are Black Republicans in Fayetteville/Fayette County that you have maligned by your broad generalizations regarding the CBC AND black people in general. You are no better than what you accuse Waters of doing. She has given a broad brush to the Tea Party. You have done the same with black citizens.

Oou:
I watched a brother shoot a white guy for being white.
I watched blacks beating whites and white beating blacks. Don't give me that crap about it was not racial DM you don't know what you are talking about. I was there was you?

DM”:

How can you live here in Georgia in 2011 and still not celebrate the progress that has been made in this country, county, state.

I looked for some positivity in my ‘black’ brother/sister’s comments (oou) – but found none. {AGH’s comments had me assuming oou was a gentleman until someone else intimated that ‘he’ was a ‘sister’. In 2005 I stated that I believed that anyone my age down to 50 had racist tendencies if raised in these United States. I have not experienced anything in my lifetime to change that perception of Americans. My hope is what I see in the younger generation and what I have experienced here in Georgia. Racism is not only an ‘attribute’ of the south. The ‘new South’ is truly an attribute to the American goal of liberty and justice for all. I understand when my friends tell me that it is dangerous to get too far off the main roads – but that can be said for California also. I know that ‘history’ is taught a little differently in various parts of the country – but while touring the historical Civil War sites this year – it has been educational to see the inclusion of all races that participated in this ‘war’. So Suggarfoot and oou – I salute you, acknowledge you, and will remember that there are people like you who have great fear of discussing race. It is not an easy subject to discuss without seeing the reaction of the people in the group. I am not a ‘southerner’ – and had great trepidation of coming to live in the south since my experiences here as a young person were most unpleasant. After seven years – I can say that I love it here and will not return to live in California – and understand why so many ‘blacks’ are returning home to their roots. I salute those blacks and whites that fought for the civil rights of all southern citizens. Fayette County exemplifies that all Americans can live peacefully under the law.
Don’t let any rhetoric from the extremists’ spoil what has been accomplished here. If a black wants to run in Fayette County – be they Republican or Democrat – those under 53 will listen to their platform and make the decision to vote for them – or not. The ‘ole boys’ club in this area is not exactly credible to many voters – regardless of ‘color’. Blacks who have a desire to participate in politics are not likely to come to Fayette County soon, . . but, both blacks and whites are laying the groundwork.