This is WAR

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I have been documenting the hatred, the rhetoric for some time that certain people with a certain ideological bent have been saying.

The current class of people being targeted is the "Rich". But an interesting sub-group the new "protectors" of the "Rich" are being specifically targeted
for well, WAR.

‘THIS IS WAR’ — CONGRESSIONAL BLACK CAUCUS TRAVELS US CITIES USING VIOLENT RHETORIC: DECLARES ‘WAR’ ON RACIST TEA PARTY, SAYS TEA PARTY WANTS TO LYNCH BLACKS, CALLS FOR BANK RUNS, CIVIL UNREST IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS AND HOMES"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tG8x6X8xn3c&feature=player_embedded

There is also another hard leftest group called the Red Anarchist Action Network: RAAN calling for "WAR" against the Teaparty.

WIS. PROTESTER PREDICTS CLASS WARFARE: ‘ALL YOU F**KING TEA PARTY BAGGERS GET READY

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/wis-protester-predicts-class-warfare-all...

http://www.redanarchist.org/

Remember the rhetoric from the left is that the Teaparty are the violent ones we are the radicals that foment terror now. We are the new domestic Terrorist.

We saw this when violent Union thugs attacked counter protesters, but yet the narrative was the teaparty were the violent ones they're after all RACIST you know.
Never mind that Communist, Socialist, Marxist and Anarchist where all marching with those Unions in Wisconsin. Never mind SEIU thugs beating black men for having the unmitigated
gall of handing out the US Constitution.

I and many more like me have warned the Progressive left to cease this class warfare. It always ends badly, not for the "Rich" but for the very ones that the "War" is supposed to help. Now radicals in our Government the Congressional Black Caucus and Radical groups like the Red Anarchist are calling for open "WAR" against the new perceived blockade to their entitlements or their version of utopia. If WAR is what they want many will be happy to oblige, after all it's not the Liberals that have been buying guns and ammo at record levels.

This is the problem with Class Warfare. It involves WAR and WAR is Hell.

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Hustlers of color

Hustlers of color are working overtime to rile up constituents who view the government as a magical ATM. They are inciting violence when they say Tea Party racists want to hang black people from trees and then instruct them to confront members at their homes. If they can’t keep their racket going, they will incite a riot.

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Grizz, very colorful language,

you write that yourself?

http://www.infowars.com/black-caucus-incites-race-war-against-tea-party-...

Well, of course not.

Tell me bear, how about that Maxine Waters telling the Teaparty where to go.

She’s a rebel ain’t she? Listen to her yell.

The nerve of that woman, I bet she got a little bit of Scots-Irish in her, eh?

How do you suppose that happened? You think one of her ancestors might have worked for Bedford Forrest?

You never know about those things, one of his nicknames was "Wizard in the Saddle!"

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Gort

Where did that vile remark come from? That was REALLY nasty! You taking Ninga's place in slurs that are unfounded? sounds like it.

He said nothing bad to you! You are one twisted sister.

A little too much tonight?

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Come on Suggarfoot, Grizz is a big boy

and don’t seem to mind mixing it up on the forum. How is Grizz going to become a warrior in OofU’s race war if he doesn’t toughen up first? Let him fight his own battles.

Besides, in my opinion, promoting racial strife to the point of war is more disgusting than lampooning Grizz about Maxine Waters.

Can Grizz come out and play now?

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Gort

The only folk calling for race wars is the Congressional Black Caucus.

BTW, Gort was referring to your remarks on Bedford Forrest. What's the matter, boy? Can't you read?

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Grizz, I’m pretty sure my eye isn’t lying to me.

It was OofU that started this thread with the headline “This is War,” so unless OofU is a member of the CBC I have to say I don’t agree with your conclusion.

You have to make it at least a little believable. The idea that 10 percent of the US population, (with probably the least amount of resources,) is going to wage war with the remaining 90 percent is just not credible.

Face it, the Teaparty has a public relations problem with the CDC, and it’s there own fault. They should man up and take responsibility for their actions.

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Gort are you daft man?

Uh it was a quote from Carson DEMOCRAT from the CBC.

Come on gort pick up the speed a little.

btw-do you remember the Rodney King riots? Was that not 10% going to War with society I mean they were not burning their own homes to the ground now where they?

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OofU, well if it isn’t our own

local race war jingoist himself. Did you call me “daft? Tsk, Tsk, that’s not very nice.

We’re not talking about the Rodney King riots. We’re talking about your declaration of war.

Tell me how 10 percent of the US population, (with probably the least amount of resources,) is going to wage war with the remaining 90 percent?

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Gort this is serious stop playing the clown

I did not declare war and you know this.

You can keep playing around but when this explodes like I told kevin remember you were warned.

I am sure the fine upstanding folk in the UK said it couldn't happen either, or in France or in Greece or in Egypt or in Tunisia and so on and so on.

If these fine upstanding folk in the Progressive party keep up the "WAR" rhetoric someone is going to pull the trigger.

btw- ask any cop in Detroit if a small percentage of people wage WAR against a better armed adversary. Happens all the time gort.

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OofU, I was serious,

you’re the only person declaring war around here. (Did you call me a clown? Tsk, tsk, don’t you have any self control?)

What I hear coming out of the CBC is they want jobs. Is that so different than what’s coming out of most other communities in the country?

Is your declaration of war, the Teaparty’s modern day twist of Jay Gould;s, "I can hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." ?

Now come on, tell me how 10 percent of the US population, (with probably the least amount of resources,) is going to wage war with the remaining 90 percent?

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Hi Gort, parden me for butting in,

but the fact is that of the 90% you mention probably less than 10% are even remotely interested in any kind of war.

So if the 10% you mention decides to wage war then they are only up against an equivalent number.

The rest are too busy living life and making a living for themselves and their families to even give a damn about all the loud mouths.

They will be the one who survive to sell and push the brooms to clean up the mess afterwards.

And so goes life.

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BHH, my point is, OofU and his hyena’s,

are the only people declaring war around here. But for the sake of your argument, can’t the same be said about the 10%? Aren’t “they too busy living life and making a living for themselves and their families to even give a damn about all the loud mouths?”

What I hear coming out of the CBC is they want jobs. Is that so different than what’s coming out of most other communities in the country? You don’t even have to go to California to see it with your own eyes.

http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/heat-fells-several-as-1119986.html

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Gort, you are the one

who keeps using the figure of 10% as if they might be willing to band together.

It's a hypothetical answer to a hypothetical question.

I remember the problems of the 60's and the Rodney King incident.

If you think the inflamed rhetoric from those with access to the media is harmless, you are dead wrong.

War is a relative term.

It can happen between 2 people.

Stop beating that drum.

Please.

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BHH, you asked a question

and I gave you an answer, I don’t know what more you expect from me. As far as inflammatory rhetoric goes neither side has a leg to stand on, now do they?

You’re right about one thing, the term war is a relative term. If the CDC is waging war by sponsoring job fairs throughout the country, that doesn’t sound like much of a threat to the nation as OofU would have you believe now would it.

Besides, OofU is the one beating the war drum, around here when he created this blog. Address your gripe to him, or one of his hyenas, they’re the ones that miss the good old days before the 60’s.

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Gort, where is my question?

You are right, everyone needs to stop beating war drums.

Emphasis should be on income and not just jobs.

A job is a rut.

Most people who have one are looking forward to a way to get out of it.

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BHH, aren’t you the guy that wrote,
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Hi Gort, parden me for butting in but,..

I still don’t know why you want to beat me down about the war drums. OofU is the one that initiated this blog. I think you just want to pick a fight with me. ! - )

Tell me though, what do you recommend to someone, who is out of work, do about creating a revenue stream without a job?

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No Gort

I like you and don't want to fight with anyone.

Imagination is the key to income.

I knew a man who had arthritis so bad that he could not get his feet into a pair of shoes and yet he walked around every day selling bags of peanuts to earn money.

This beats the hell out of standing on a corner with a sign that reads "will work for food".

This country allows a person to sell anything he so chooses for what ever the market will bear.

All one has to do is get busy, not insist that someone give them a job.

If our president were any kind of a man he would be encouraging people to help themselves and not rely on government handouts.

Your job (and the real money) exists in your own efforts and imagination.

Only the helpless need handouts.

If a person is willing and able to work, they will find work and income.

I have been in houses in the lowest income areas of metro Atlanta and the occupants were making ends meet by turning their living room into a local convenience store by stocking bread and candies and other items the neighbors might need for sale.

There are millions of ways to make a living and no end to the human imagination.

Necessity is the mother of invention, not government.

Hatefulness is completely counterproductive.

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BHH, come on, give me a break.

Do you really think someone can earn a living walking around with no shoes selling peanuts or opening a store in their living room?

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They were making ends meet.

That's what it will take to earn a living from more than one source.

If there are no jobs then your living may have to come from more than one source.

Some people are spoiled by the thought of earning a living from just a job.

I've lived my life working more than one job and getting income from more than one source.

It's been that way for a long time.

Just because you have a job doesn't mean you are earning a living from it.

It means you have a job.

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BHH, so that’s a no?

They could not make a living walking without shoes selling peanuts or using their living room as a store. What other revenue stream did these people have?

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Gort, refering to making a living.

They obviously were making a living somehow.

I don't know their other income sources.

I just know they were making an effort to do better and it must have worked for them.

I know a man who had stockpiles of candy bars that he was buying from a young man who came by selling about once a week. He couldn't eat them as fast as he bought them so I asked why he bought so many. He said "the young man who sells them is so nice and well mannered in his efforts to make money that even if he came around selling dead cats I would buy one.".

The secret to making a living is persistently putting forth an effort and improving on that effort at every opportunity.

OofU is not advocating war, he just brought up the subject that some people are.

No one goes to war to make a living.

It's either to defend what's yours or aggressively take something that's not.

Why are these fools advocating war?

And why are you foolishly defending them?

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BHH that has been my question

WHY?

Why are people defending these words. I know they are just words but words have meaning and words can be a call to action.

Now comes James Hoffa son of Jimmy calling for War, as well. Joe Biden got into to itAGAIN on the same day. Calling the teaparty "barbarians at the gate" telling Big Labor-"The only people who have the capacity -- organizational capacity and muscle -- to keep, as they say, the barbarians from the gate, is organized labor. "

Many look at this as a call to arms.

You have the Black Congressional Caucus stirring up the racial divide and now Union thuggery is next.

I think this administration is just stirring the pot hoping for a re-election BUT when you play with fire it is so easy to get burned.

Should these speeches and calls to war actually produce violence I am sure the teaparty will be blamed for the actions of this Government. They are an easy scapegoat. After-all Granny is dangerous now a days.

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BHH and OofU, I don’t speak on behalf of the CBC or

organized labor. I’m not defending them at all, I’m just pointing to what frauds you are.

My opinion is, both the CDC and organized labor are talking about upcoming elections. All your talk of anyone declaring an actual war is just mock outrage from the right wing propaganda machines and their water carriers.

BHH, my point is you can’t create a revenue stream out of nothing. Pretending that every problem has a simple solution is bubble gum for the brain of the weak minded and/or those easily fooled.

OofU,

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Now come on, tell me how 10 percent of the US population, (with probably the least amount of resources,) is going to wage war with the remaining 90 percent?

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Gort, wake up.

It only takes one fool to start a war, no matter how short lived it may be.

Don't be that fool.

A simple misunderstanding is all that it takes.

These idiot politicians are playing with fire and obviously don't know it.

There are fools out there damaging vehicles that sport a sticker supporting the tea party.

They are idiots.

Don't defend this crap.

Wake up.

The rhetoric is enough to get some stupid person to do some stupid things.

How in the hell do you think the terrorist attacks on 9/11 were motivated?

By foolish talk and the people who believed it.

Stop your foolishness.

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History is full of it

pretty much like you.

Gort wrote:

OofU,

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Now come on, tell me how 10 percent of the US population, (with probably the least amount of resources,) is going to wage war with the remaining 90 percent?

Gort you and bacon have a lot in common. Both of you demand answers and when given those answers you pretend that they never where given and demand them again. Asking the same question over and over just shows you are more buffoon then a serious conversational debater.

Look to Germany.

Look to Japan.

Look to Vietnam.

Look to Afghanistan and on and on and on.

Gort history is full of small groups taking on larger better armed adversaries.

The 1967 12th street riots are a prime example of this. Blacks made up about 11% of the population in Detroit. Less than 2% rioted and took on the Police and National Guard.

That riot lasted a week and resulted in over 50 dead, 2000 businesses burned and destroyed and over 1500 seriously injured.

So gort it is easy to comprehend how a small determined group of people may take on a larger better armed population.

Gort you are mired neck deep in ideology. Funny how you can condemn the teaparty for "radical" speech but yet completely ignore it from your own party. That's blindness gort and a type of hipocracy that is dangerous for the Republic in which we used to live.

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And that

should put the question to rest.

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BHH and OofU, you know there is no declaration of war

beyond that of the ballot box and your mock outrage identifies you both as handmaidens to the right wing propaganda machine talking points.

With that said, I know the question is settled with me.

I’ll see you boys in the funny papers.

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Oh and like your not

Nah your not sucked under an ideology are you?

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OofU, my vision is clear, my heart is pure, my cause

is noble, and I don’t go out of my way to sucker punch people when they’re down on their luck!

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1967 Detroit; 1965 Watts

In both of these 'riots', the black community was 'burned'. There was no attempt to 'war' against the 'white' community. It was misplaced anger and frustration that caused the community to turn on it's own. A feeling that ‘others’ were using the black community for profit, etc. has been sited by researchers. This may be an interesting study for one who may be interested in why people justify turning on their own. The words of ‘war’? Against whom? War is a very complicated act of violence. I agree that all of this talk of 'war' during a time when our young men and women are actually dying in two wars is an attempt to keep this country divided based on 'race'. As has been shown in this discussion, there is a 'black American' man/woman who disagrees with other 'American blacks'. There is Herman Cain, who supposedly disagrees in ideology with American 'blacks'. For a brief moment in history, Americans united behind a 'black' man and elected him president. We have seen what happens when one side is determined to unseat this man - regardless of the consequences of not working together in a bi-partisan effort for the American people during a time of crisis. Even Nancy Reagan is tired of the Just Say No attitude in Congress. If a jobs program is not in place by November - the Republicans will still have the solid south - but the rest of the country will move on. . .without the Teas and the Republicans. There are areas of agreement - let's see if this Congress has the intelligence and loyalty to work for the American people. The extremes on both sides need to be patriotic - and get America back on solid ground - with JOBS!

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You are simply wrong.

I watched a brother shoot a white guy for being white.

I watched blacks beating whites and white beating blacks. Don't give me that crap about it was not racial DM you don't know what you are talking about. I was there was you?

On the Watts Riots: "Some participants chose to intensify the level of violence by starting physical fights with police, blocking the firemen of the Los Angeles Fire Department from their safety duties, or even beating white motorists." Nope not a racial incident at all. Come on DM stop justifying our failures. We need to own up to our mistakes so that we may learn from them and move forward to better not only ourselves but our community.

btw-you said the same thing about the 2010 election as well DM. How did that work out for you?

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How are you helping to bring some racial harmony to the race problem in America? We have demonstrated that all blacks are not part of some kind of monolith. We all don't think alike! Because I don't agree with you - does not mean I am wrong or you are right. How many 'whites' died in the Watts riots? How many whites lost property in the Watts riots? How can you live here in Georgia in 2011 and still not celebrate the progress that has been made in this country, county, state. Where were you when the National Guard controlled the streets in the black community in Los Angeles. (1965)? Were you even born? Kevin seems to be proud and realistic about his possible 'black' heritage and still enjoy relationships with his fellow Americans. Charley Manson tried to start a 'race' war in California. I'm beginning to equate your sad efforts with those of Charley Manson. Yes, there were whites beaten by blacks. (One in particular was represented by Johnny Cochran , and received a sizable settlement for the injuries sustained in that attack ). By the way -it was black residents who pulled the white truck driver to safety. Evil is ugly no matter the color of the person who does evil. I WAS THERE IN 1965. Anger and reacting to violence with violence is not always based on racial hatred - but your constant bringing out the ugly in the equation is not helping to unite us as Americans. We cannot change the truth of the past. We don't need to celebrate the ugliness of the past when we have examples of progress in the present.

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I was there was you?

. What did you do to correct this type of behavior? How is collecting and sharing hateful rhetoric moving towards solving this division in our country? Let me share something with you - putting down your own and not doing anything to help them who are not succeeding does not win friends or influence people. Have you noticed any improvement in race relations?

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DM

You are the one here sowing racial disharmony. Not I.

This is you bag, your gig. You have said it often here. You bring up past racial sins often and drag them out on parade. (Southern Strategy?) I have said and am saying ENOUGH.

Admit we have problems in our own community and help us fix THEM. Stop ignoring the race pimps and letting your silence become agreement.

Giving excuses for actions committed by avowed racist i.e. New Black Panthers only strengthen and embolden them.

Remember the only one of us that has labeled the other over disagreeing is you DM.. Remember I am now a racist again.

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Observer. Look at the all caps paragragh in your first post.

Pots calling kettles black here bro. Need a new thread

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Davids mom wrote:

We have seen what happens when one side is determined to unseat this man - regardless of the consequences of not working together in a bi-partisan effort for the American people during a time of crisis.

Obama should have thought of that before he told Republicans that they would have to sit in the back seat of the car that Obama was driving off the cliff.

Obama has been the most divisive President in recent history. He only wants bipartisanship when he paints himself into a corner. He is a weak, ineffective, silly little man.

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Look up 12th street riots

and get back to me gort.

Then tell me how silly it is to think a small segment of society waging a war against a larger segment of society can happen.

Do you ever read history? You know if a thing has happened in the past it can happen again right? The ingredients are all there again. All it takes is to keep turning up the heat and the pot will boil again.

You guys are turning up the heat with your violent rhetoric and pandering to a mindset in our society.

Both sides have bigots gort. Both sides have people that would love to see another civil war. Both sides are looking for an excuse to start one.

You side is giving it to them.

“The Tea Party is stopping that change … some of these folks in Congress would love to see us as second class citizens … some of them in Congress right now of this Tea Party movement would love to see you and me hanging on a tree…” Those were the words of Congressman Andre Carson (D.-Indiana) Also on the dais with Carson were CBC congressional members and representatives Maxine Waters (CA), Cedric Richmond (LA), John Lewis (GA), Alcee Hastings (FL), Al Green (TX), and Frederica Wilson (FL). According to Richmond…”they’re (the Tea Party) willing to wreck this country for political gain.”

""The real enemy is the tea party –- let's remember that," said Rep. Frederica Wilson of Miami Gardens, host of the meeting and jobs fair. "The tea party holds Congress hostage…They have one goal in mind, and that's to make President Obama a one-term president.""

"“I’m not afraid of anybody,” Waters said at the summit in Inglewood, Calif. “This is a tough game. You can’t be intimidated. You can’t be frightened. And as far as I’m concerned, the ‘tea party’ can go straight to Hell.”"

Tell me gort what do these statements have to do with JOBS? Do you hear any ideas or do you hear rhetoric?

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We remember Rosewood, Auburn Street Riots, the recent 'killing' of a young black man reportedly because he was 'black' - but more importantly we remember MLK, Gandhi, Jesus Christ, and other great men who taught us the power of love. You are focusing on 'hate' - with nothing constructive to offer in it's stead except 'fear'. I stated early when I called you a racist that after researching current posts - we were mainly discussing ideology differences. . .and I apologized for calling you a racist. I take that back. You have made a liar out of me. YOU ARE AN AVOWED RACIST - hoping to divide American citizens. You are failing - by your constant posting with no notice of the healing that has gone on in this country. We learn from history - hopefully learn from our mistakes - and move on. We're moving on Oou - you can stay in the past if you like. . . .but it may be a little lonely there after a while. The four letter word that is important to all Americans is JOBS. DEAL WITH IT!!

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Wow DM your hipocracy knows no bounds does it?

Isn't you who is always bringing up the past?

Isn't you who is always bringing up past wrongs and sins of a community?

DM you obviously never lived in a race riot I have. Your sheltered California life is probably why you still carry that cross on here over and over. You pine over the evils and wrongs of the past often.

I lived it DM. It's not pretty.

If we cannot admit to the racism in our on community DM we are doomed to repeat the failure of allowing Government to keep us enslaved.

DM you weld the whip well every time you excuse the behavior of people like the New Black Panthers and now the CBC.

Where is that preaching of "LOVE" coming from DM. All I hear is threats of violence and rhetoric. All I hear chants of teaparty are racist. All I hear is people like you and kevin giving excuses for these real racist actions.

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Yet Another (Failed) Obama 'Jobs Plan'

Yet Another (Failed) Obama 'Jobs Plan'

President Obama’s forthcoming “jobs package” is what the country gets when it elects a president who spent more time organizing people than hiring them.

Take, for example, the hints that Obama wants to expand his job-subsidization efforts to the private sector by giving employers a tax break to make it less expensive to hire workers. This from the man who has made the cost of hiring new workers so expensive, and the cost of regulatory compliance so unpredictable, that many employers refuse to hire.

Obama supported an increase in the minimum wage as a senator;
He has imposed countless new costs on business by pushing through his trillion-dollar-plus health care legislation and his financial reforms, including 4,870 Federal Register pages of proposed regulations on banks; and
There are 219 new regulations for 2011 that impose economic costs of more than $100 million each, and seven are being considered that would exceed $1 billion each.

And even as the president claims he is now laser-focused on job creation, he wants the public to forget all of his previous taxpayer-funded efforts to create mostly those “green jobs” of the future, many of which have been abject failures.

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He's laser-focused on his job - and getting better

He just kicked the enviornmentalist whack jobs under the bus by abandoning his expensive job-killing emmissions fiat. And the shale oil pipeline from CA to NO is going through. Can offsore drilling in the Gulf be resumed next?Thursday's speech about creating jobs will be another step toward the center, but of course it is just a speech and nothing will actually get done. He must have a couple of good advisors hidden in there among the race pimps and the union thugs and he's starting to listen to them - about 2 years too late. And not a peep out of Valerie Jarrett since she was cast aside for trying to politicize the Bin Laden assassination.

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Valerie Jarrett since she was cast aside for trying to politicize the Bin Laden assassination.

What is your fascination with this woman? Careful - even your right-wing mentor stopped his 'reporting' regarding Mrs. Jarrett. First you claim she was 'absent' from the Ben Laden 'in group' during the Bin Laden project. Now you claim she was trying to politcize it! Check you resources. LOL!

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Obama Jobs Montage

This video highlights how Obama and his entire administration is full of nothing but hot air on jobs, and he has no clue as to lead the country or encourage more job creation by the private sector. His focus will be on the failed policy of more government spending in an effort to create jobs.

Obama Jobs Montage

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Thursday's Speech

Thursday's speech will be like an old Mickey Rooney/Judy Garland movie. Things are looking pretty bad. What can we do? PUT ON A SHOW!!!

Last month it was Animal House. Things are looking pretty bad. What can we do? ROAD TRIP!!!

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Where were you in 1965 (Watts riot)/Rodney King riot/ etc. Obviouly not in California. I was there. When you have your 'ear' tuned for negativity, that is all you're going to 'hear'. You don't have to have lived in a 'riot' in order to feel the negativity of racism. You are a person of color - and you have never felt any twinge of 'racism'? Interesting. That is a positive that you should be sharing instead of what you are doing.

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If we cannot admit to the racism in our on community DM we are doomed to repeat the failure of allowing Government to keep us enslaved

Interesting. I'm accused of bringing up the past - yet now you are accusing me of denying the racism that you and I have experienced. Who is the hypocrite? I have not excused any negative/unproductive behavior - and why excuse the job fairs of the CBC? I have stated that the four letter word used by Waters is unacceptable (which you conveniently ignore in order to spew your hate rhetoric). You are entitled to your views - and I will continue to express mine. I see the glass half full. You join Joe Kawfi and his view - and that is how you are seen. I'm proud to be associated with others in this discussion when it comes to expressing individual views honestly based on the person's perspective and experience. You have one perspective - be aware of the 'black community'. Gosh OOU - according to you, we'd better be fearful of you and yours! Thanks for the warning - but you have no credibility or power - and your words ring hollow.

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DM thanks for your imput

GIGO

btw-noticed how you said you condemned the use of "her four letter word" but not the statement itself. Interesting.

Any comment on Andre Carson DM? Maybe you can condemn his use of a four letter word "hang", as well.

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Note that DM only disapproved of the word "hell", not the statement about where Maxine Waters wants the Tea Party to go. How despicable of someone in congress to utter such hate, merely because a group does not agree with the liberal-progressive agenda that is destroying this country one day at a time.

We see things the way they really are. The hate rhetoric uttered by the CBC at the so called "job fairs" was not coincidental. They are trying (unsuccessfully) to paint the Tea Party as racists. It is the CBC that is full of racists, and they proved it again with their hateful rhetoric.

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Final thoughts

Well time to go to my racist church since I am now a racist again(Thx DM) and only racist churches accepts racist. I guess when I am teaching my fellow black racist this morning that accepting comments from the Farrakhan's of the World while condemning the comments from the Webbs is no less hypocritical of our community.

Peace be unto you DM. Maybe one day you will see that making excuses for the Waters and Carson's of the World while pointing fingers at the "White" community solves no ills.

Next time when you feel like pointing fingers I would hope you would peer in a mirror and ask "who is she pointing at"?

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:Pointing finger

at the success of the 'race relations' in Fayette County. What are you doing? Have a blessed day.

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observer. Do you have a man crush? Do you seek a bromance?

Because you keep sticking my name in places it really doesn't fit. I don't want a race war. I haven't made excuses for anyone here; excuses like "this is the first time I've heard it." "I don't watch Rachel Maddow." "Those are not elected people on my side." I'm not a race pimp as you've called me. I'm not even sure I know what that means, but nobody working the streets is bringing me money, so I'm pretty sure it's just something you made up.

Thanks though. This has been, all joking aside, a very entertaining thread to post on. Now if I can only draw skyspy in so that we tangle and then resolve our differences over more drinks. HEY! Skyspy is the original race pimp! What say you sky race-pimp spy? Defend yourself! And I'm buying the next round. Don't want to be seen as a liberal free loader :-O

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DM you obviously never lived in a race riot I have. Your sheltered California life is probably why you still carry that cross on here over and over. You pine over the evils and wrongs of the past often.

Won't you share your experience with us? Sheltered life in California? Ever hear of the Watts Riot? The Rodney King Riots? Where did you live that you experienced ugly 'race' riots? Were members of your family living in Rosewood at the time that town was burned down? Did you have to sit in the rear rooms of your home here in Georgia as 'spirited' white boys rode through town shooting up the N section of town? We do learn from others experiences, please share yours. Thanks. If there is no benefit from bringing up the past - why study history? We learn from history - so that we don't make the same mistakes of the past - hopefully!

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Jobs are cool but income production is the main goal.

Why not focus on entrepreneurialism?

A job is only one source of income.

The government likes to focus on jobs because it keeps people in a rut and paying a larger tax burden.

Seeking only a job is narrow mindedness at work.

Everyone needs many income streams.

People shouldn't rely so much on just one source.

A speaker can do nothing to increase jobs but can do much to motivate people to find new sources of income and be innovative and self reliant on their own.

People need income, not just jobs.

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BHH: Very true

A "job" is simply a means to end: earning a living to sustain yourself/family and hopefully have a little more to enjoy. No need to limit yourself to only one source, just like the concept of having a job at a company AND then investing all of your retirement money into the same company where you're employed is insane if you work in the private sector.

What has been missing in education for quite a while is basic money concepts. I'm not talking about investment strategies; I mean something on the low level like how to balance your checking account first. Then, how "interest" can really work for you or how you can be enslaved by it. Somewhere along the road to being fat and lazy, some basic financial principles were totally ignored/forgotten.

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Nuk_1, I didn’t realize they stopped

teaching that stuff in school. I guess that’s why young people today are so willing to take on so much education debt. (A future train wreck waiting to happen.)

It’s not too late to learn, I would recommend Clark Howard for home economics and (if you can stand the intensity,) Jim Cramer, (Mad Money,) for investing. Both are geared for the individual, you can catch them on the tube, easy to understand, and you can always learn something you don’t know from them.

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Gort and Nuk_1: Very pertinent and truthful posts gents.

Economics 101. It ain't rocket surgery. And yet the staggering costs of student loans (college expenses) plus wreckless endebtedness will have many young folks working for visa and mastercard right out of the gate. I believe, given these circumstances, that cutting the budgets of public schools is (in Rick Perry speak) 'bout the stoopidest thang anybody could sujest.

Why would any candidate looking to lead this nation want to strip resources from the young folks who are going to be tasked with fixing our economic and diplomatic situations as well as rebuilding infrastructure? It truly makes no cents or sense.

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Kevink, I hate to see the young

folks starting life burdened with debt too. It’s a real shame.

From what I read, the GOP must be longing for the days of George W. Bush. Rick Perry is going to have to show everyone what he can do on the Wednesday GOP debate. I hope he says, “Read my book!” ! - )

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In response to nonsense
Gort wrote:

GOP have been at war with labor for over 100 years.

and

Gort wrote:

Kevink, I hate to see the young
folks starting life burdened with debt too. It’s a real shame.

From what I read, the GOP must be longing for the days of George W. Bush. Rick Perry is going to have to show everyone what he can do on the Wednesday GOP debate. I hope he says, “Read my book!” ! - )

1. Really? Can you name any instances of this war gort?

2. Bush increased the deficit by $4 Trillion in 8 years.
Obama increased the deficit by $4 Trillion in 2 years.

You may "hate" seeing the young folk starting life burdened with debt, but you sure don't hate it enough to help stop it.

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OofU, nonsense, then why do you keep coming back for more?

1. They call it history. (Note: Faux News is not history.)

2. It takes a lot of money to fix what the GOP screwed up.

Repeal the Bush Tax Cuts, raise taxes on people making over $250K, and get people back to work. When we get the votes, we will fix it.

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Now come on, tell me how 10 percent of the US population, (with probably the least amount of resources,) is going to wage war with the remaining 90 percent?

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Have you found that evidence yet

of the GOP saying that they wanted to "Kill" Social Security and Medicare?

Just wondering, since you have not yet answered that one. So don't expect me to answer a rhetorical question with specifics.

Can't argue a negative gort but you probably don't know that.

btw- how does taxing the "rich" get people back to work gort? By the Gov taking wealth how exactly are jobs created gort?

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OofU, I got all the evidence I need

about the GOP wanting to kill Social Security, and Medicare.

http://www.thecitizen.com/node/8141

Maybe I’ll do a blog on Rick Perry’s book to bring seniors up to date on the hearts and minds of the GOP.

Increasing taxes on people making more than $250K is not for the sake of creating jobs. It’s to help pay down long term debt.

Public works should be used to create more jobs. More people working means a larger tax base. It also means greater demand for goods and services. The increase in demand for goods and services will create more jobs in the private sector and further expand the tax base.

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Yeah we all saw your evidence gort

nuff said.

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Amen. The textbooks do address the life skills you mention -but they're not on the test!!!! I think, unless parents taught their children these skills, we have two or three generations of students who have no understanding of the financial principles that you mentioned.

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BHH, I imagine some people do

take the entrepreneurial route but I don’t think everyone has the skills, aptitude, or temperament to do it. I can also imagine that many people looking for work were self employed and can no longer find enough customers to make a go of it in this economy. This is especially true if you worked in the residential housing sector.

The reason why most small businesses fail is lack of capital, even if they do have the skills, aptitude, or temperament. Everyone has an exception they can point to, and I wish them the best of luck, but I don’t see this as a solution for everyone out of work.

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Gort, the self employed are not even included

in the unemployment figures because they don't pay unemployment insurance while self employed.

And you are right, in that many people do not have the aptitude for survival and they will only survive with the help of friends and family.

Many of the unemployed are not self reliant and don't need employment to survive anyway such as teens and second income providers in the home.

Those who need income will find it regardless of what the government does.

The government should just drop their excessive requirements & regulations and get out of the way.

That is what the republicans and tea party are advocating and I'm all for it.

The president's best resource is his mouth and so far he can't keep his foot out of it long enough to use it to any avail.

If he would propose to declare a period of non government intervention in hiring it would do a world of good.

Say, everyone hired in the next six months would be exempt from any taxes, payroll deductions and benefits other than a salary for up to 2 years after their hire date.

There would be a fire storm of hiring and people taking home cash from their labors.

This economy would be flourishing within a month.

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BHH: firestorm?

That sounds about like Rickey Perries solutions for some of our current problems:

He said them today:

Immigration: To build a fence would take longer than his children will live.
Protect it with unmanned drones and until they are in place---put thousands of National Guard on the border! (As soon as they are back from Afghanistan). (I said the latter.)

Jobs: New appointees to the EPA department who would be absolutely 100% pro-business! Fire all employees possible.

Also, hire like Texas has done, all tiny wages to clean up oil spills and such, and also government workers, which we had to do since the oil comnpanies grew so much.

Regulations: Fire all current, and hire all Pro-business people in those departments who enforce regulations. (We will clean up later). (I said that).

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The government should just drop their excessive requirements & regulations and get out of the way

You have some good points. Can you be specific about the excessive reqirements and regulations?

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Specifically

anything and everything that tends to deter an employer from hiring.

Such as payroll tax withholding, unemployment insurance, minimum wage restrictions.

These are all deterrents.

Taxes are the employees' responsibility as is the minimum wage they are willing to work for.

Give the employer some rights to see if the employee is worth their salt.

If the employee doesn't prove to be a beneficial investment then send them on their way to their next trial employment.

Jobs are either for someone's profit or to save someone money.

There is no other reason for job creation.

If hiring saves money or is profitable it will happen.

All the government has to do is make sure it is not doing anything that inhibits hiring in even the least way.

For just 2 years, then gradually move the new employees into the current standards, if they prove to be profitable.

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Sounds like "FlAT TAX" and no regulations for safety or disaster.
Where does the money come from? China?
Know how long it will take to find a job for the 13 million jobs we need for next five years? Our credit to do it is gone finally!

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Roudabout, you are a hopeless

pessimist.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

These are desperate times and require desperate measures.

There is risk in doing nothing.

If you do something and it is wrong then you will soon know that it is wrong and what you need to do to correct it.

If you do nothing then you are you are a fool.

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The President will tell congress what they need to do soon since congress has no ideas that are possible. It is going to take years, if ever we get jobs back to 4-5% unemployed! In the next five years we will need 13 million tech and skilled jobs.
The credit of the country and the availability of jobs is shot!

There are no jobs now. No one trained to do what there is to do, and too dumb to learn what jobs we have due to poor schooling in school and at home! Also, too sorry to do manual labor.

Many people have temp work they need done, providing the unemployed were qualified to do it, and wanted what it was worth as a salary. But, there are no good paying jobs now for dummies.

The days of making some fortunes for swapping worthless loans for billions
is gone. So are those with the billions---to Tahiti.

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Roundabout, I have no arguement against that.

But there is work for those willing to do it.

The only thing is that it is out of the system that the government has created.

Everyone will find income but not the kind that government can provide and it will not benefit the government when they do.

The government is in the way and not a part of the solution.

Not just the feds but state and locals too.

The work that is available is not a "job" such as the president keeps running his mouth about, but work for the innovative minds out there who can and will sidestep the government's system.

This is the subsystem that will begin to thrive.

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OofU, when does the invasion start?

Get a grip buddy, this is the same kind of bull you tried to pull with “Death Panel’s,” “the Great Government Land Grap,” and other OofU misadventures in blogging.

Conjure up another post when Maxine Waters takes the Rockies.

! - )

Now come on, tell me how 10 percent of the US population, (with probably the least amount of resources,) is going to wage war with the remaining 90 percent?

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Go jerk your own chain

your not equipped to swim in these waters.

I gave you all you need to answer that question for yourself. If you are to lazy to do the work, after all you are a good little progressive, then I will not do it for you.

Maybe you can call the Government and get them to re-distribute the knowledge to you.

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OofU, if your talking about the sewer water,

you call your post, then you are correct.

Go ask your Webster dictionary to tell you what the difference is between war and a riot.

Then come back and tell me how 10 percent of the US population, (with probably the least amount of resources,) is going to wage war with the remaining 90 percent?

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Speaking of jobs.....

Maybe the Prez can perform a miracle during Thursday's speech where there is no doubt he'll push for yet again extending unemployment benefits and explain how extending a social welfare program has ANYTHING to do with job creation? Why is there any discussion on "creating jobs" that also contains "extending unemployment benefits," which doesn't create jobs, except for those in gov that handle/process unemployment claims?

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NUK: a new world (downsizing)

There will be no "miracle" announced. Republicans are hyping such a thing but know one doesn't exist or they would have introduced the bill already to do so.

They are still trying to blame Obama (democrats) for the current situation.
It won't fly---everyone knows where the situation came from.

He will announce however a logical plan that can help over several years---considerably more than Boehner has come up with.

The President of the United States doesn't have any jobs in his safe!
The jobs are with Industry but they are hording their profits (including banks) and buying our debt!

A cut in taxes of any kind would put more spending money into circulation, as would unemployment money, but to get jobs we are going to have to break up the monopoly the corporations have agreed to, hoping for a huge tax cut or government subsidies or guarantees.

Don't you know that all that money that was lost in property values, stocks, 402-ks, etc. is gone forever. It sets still now as a new value of our economy.

Not as many jobs are needed as before.

We need another silicon valley, a trip to Mars right away, a complete rebuild of our infrastructure, or if you wish a very large WAR!

Of course, President Obama did all this in a little over two years!

Let's let Palin and Bachmann or a couple of guys from Utah straighten all this out immediately---although I haven't heard them say just how they would get it done immediately, or at all.

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It IS a new world....

The US had better get used to the kind of unemployment that it's faced with now because it will take a few years to get back to 5-6% or so, if ever. No Prez is going to create jobs at the rate needed; there is no miracle cure. The economy is adjusting itself, starting with correcting the insane housing market that was artificially boosted by Greenspan's stupid monetary policy, stupid govt "affordable" and "neighborhood" banking regulations that encouraged making really dumb loans, greedy and unethical financial institutions who correctly guessed they were "too big to fail", and stupid consumers. So, that's one stupid mess that is going to take quite a while to adjust. Same with consumers now realizing maybe they don't need brand new cars every year and two or three 60" plasma TV's, but still having to pay loan-shark interest rates on the massive personal debt they have piled up.

A lot of unskilled(and some skilled) jobs have been outsourced overseas and will continue to be where the unskilled will do the same work for much less in pay/benefits. There is an abundance of unskilled labor in the US and some are going to be wishing for the days when W was jeered for celebrating the creation of a lot of low-paying jobs. Obama and others would kill right now for those kind of jobs. Instead, we have close to a 600million giveaway to a pathetic solar panel company in California that goes completely broke in less than 2 years.

Eliminating excessive government regulations and disincentives will only do so much. The fact is that the US economy is 70%+ consumer spending and asinine monetary and credit polices along with irresponsible and sometimes stupid households have put a big damper on consumer spending. Kind of hard to go spend money when you're underwater on your mortgage and paying minimum balances on 6 different credit cards. Big business is not going to hire people when people are not buying more of their product/service than before.

As far as "lost" value in 401K's or the stock market......it's only a "loss" if you buy/sell at the wrong times. As dumb as some people can be, most do not dump their investments just because of very short-term fluctuations. Hell, the stock market was at an all-time high not long ago when the economy was in even worse shape.

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If ballots dont work, bullets will.

Republican Congressman Allen West's chief of staff said that. He, like you, did not complain. "2nd amendment remedies" was coined by Republican Sharon Angle. You said nothing, observer. At this point I'm not laughing with u observer, I'm laughing at you.

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Am I supposed to listen to EVERY radio show in America and make comments on them kevin and never Maddow.

First time I ever heard it. It was WRONG again violent rhetoric will only incite the bigots on both sides.

btw- was she talking about using those bullets on blacks kevin?

Now will you say the same about Waters and Carson and the rest of the CBC? Funny, how as of yet, you and DM can't find it in yourselves to say the same simple words even if you really don't mean them.

"When conservative Florida radio host Joyce Kaufman went to a Tea Party rally on July 4, she got so fired-up that she was moved to make a fairly incendiary statement: “If ballots don’t work, bullets will.” Kaufman’s statement was caught on camera and shown on The Rachel Maddow Show—and ironically, it inspired people who don’t agree with her to threaten violence in response. As a result, Kaufman has announced that she will no longer be serving as Republican Rep.-elect Allen West’s Chief of Staff."

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Dude.

Seriously? Never heard it. Rachel maddow.....unicorns! Race card. Buzz words observer? Beware of the boogy men you've populated your mind with.

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Can't listen to everything. Maddow is not on my list and neither is Shultz so I can't hear all of the talking points you guys get.

Noticed you still could not find it in your heart to condemn those words kevin. Notice I have at least twice on this one thread.

Don't worry our other race pimp DM won't be able to either.

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I can not understand all your talk of war (many times) when it has been FOX who has constantly, without exception, called for the eradication of all except the right wing and the TEAS.

The constant hounding about welfare, stamps, illegal kids and Mexicans, Christianity, motorcycle rides to show force, stupid signs, and of course Palin the dud!

Maybe some have gotten tired of such non-ending rhetoric!
You have already destroyed the old GOP.

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Well I would ask for some evidence

but you never have any so why bother?

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THIS IS WAR comments at 150: no one reading them

Can't even find them!

Without improvement for participation, it will die.

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"War" as you say looks to continue!

When the President of the United States requests the congress to allow him to honor them by addressing them a week into the future, and the House refuses him, we no longer can deny that there are unnecessary troublemakers among us.

Already by such foolishness we have had our credit rating lowered due to the inability to agree on anything in congress for fear that the TEAS will try and keep them from re-election.

Then, several TEA thugs including republican Presidential candidates have asked that FEMA be eliminated immediately. Two weeks later a hurricane destroys billions of dollars worth of property from NC to New England, and those same dudes are now asking for more money from FEMA than they have!

Hypocrisy is one thing, but pure hatred over minor scheduling to get at resolving the jobs problem is unworthy of those responsible being allowed to serve their country further.

How many democrats will watch the republican debates anyway, and how many republicans will watch the President speak to congress?

And even worse, Boehner knows that the following day at about the same time, the pro football games start for the season. He knows he will not agree to anything the President says and doesn't care.

If I were the President at this moment, I would cancel the speech and tell Boehner that finding jobs is his job not the President's and would await his bill to sign.

President Obama doesn't have any jobs! Congress does. Banks and Industry are sitting the jobs.

Of course, I am not President Obama, and being the decent type that he is he will allow Mr. Boehner to embarrass him and the Presidency!

Enough of this terrible stupidity. Who gives a dam if any of them are reelected.

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I'm voting against ALL OF THEM

for the reasons you just described. To take control the Rep have hurt the common person thinking it would backfire on the Dems.

I'm voting for new candidates and none now holding office.

They have shown it is all about power to them and no compassion for us..it is now MY turn at the polls to show THEM my power!

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Well THANK GOD for that
roundabout wrote:

Of course, I am not President Obama,

But then again you could not have done any worse.

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If you were President?

"If I were the President at this moment, I would cancel the speech and tell Boehner that finding jobs is his job not the President's and would await his bill to sign".

To be quite honest with you we would be much better off if Presbo did cancel his speech. The only Jobs he has created have been Government jobs, he has never had a paying job other than Community organizer, doesn't believe in the Capitalist system and has never had to meet a payroll. Bout the only thing I see him doing is bloating the union ranks.