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Maxine Waters: ‘The tea party can go straight to hell’

“I’m not afraid of anybody,” the California congresswoman told constituents in footage that appeared on ABC affiliate KABC in Los Angeles, not backing down from comments made about President Obama earlier in the week. “This is a tough game. You can’t be intimidated. You can’t be frightened. And as far as I’m concerned — the tea party can go straight to hell.

Look at all of Obama's goons from the SEIU stand up and cheer.

This garbage is being spouted from the mouth of a woman under investigation for federal bailout money for a bank where her hubby works. She's as corrupt as the come.

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Kerosene Maxine to Tea Party: "Go to Hell!"

In 1973, the former Black Panther Joanne Chesimard shot and killed a New Jersey state trooper. Found guilty of murder and sentenced to life in prison, Chesimard escaped from a New Jersey penitentiary and fled to Cuba. Congress passed a resolution urging Castro to extradite her to this country. But Waters wrote Castro a letter, urging him to keep the "persecuted ... political activist" and likened the cop killer to Martin Luther King, since Chesimard had been "persecuted for her civil rights work"!

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Maxine Waters and Cynthia McKinney have a lot in common

and more then just race.

Both are closet Marxist. Well Cynthia is out of the closet now.

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Maxine Waters - Good Gawd

I'm so glad I got the heck out of California.

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California has Maxine - Alaska had Palin. Plain represented the entire state - Maxine represents just her district. Hmmmm - another plus for 'district' representation. Maxine didn't represent you or me. Whew!

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If I was still there I would be in the 35th district. Scary!!!!!

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35th

I have no idea when you left - but Augustus Hawkins and Henry Waxman were terrific representatives of their constituents.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/13/AR200711...

In reality, Maxine represents her constituency evidently in a manner that they support. I would be surprised if you lived in the 35th that she represents today. I would never vote for Maxine - and she has never represented me in California. (Again, not all blacks vote based on skin color) There is a political belief that in order to get the job done, it must be approached from all different standpoints.MLK used non-violence and love; the Panthers used fear. LBJ used the law; the KKK used fear. I go with love, non-violence and the law.

btw: I'v been gone for sometime. I have very little idea of the current borders of the 35th. It may include the southern beaches. Do you know?

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It's a much different place as there has been 24 years of change. Latinos are now the majority as they are in Watts and Compton.

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24 years

I remember it as I think you do. Very, very different. The minorities today in LAUSD are whites and blacks. Majority population Asians and Hispanics. The LA that we grew up in is very different. Augustus Hawkins and Henry Waxman were such statesmen. I can't imagine either one of them making a statement like Maxine's. . .even though they may have embraced the thought behind the statement. LOL. I fear the statesmen in leadership have been silenced. Sad. Good day for a peaceful bike ride!!!!

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Davids mom - 35th District

It doesn't touch the beach. It runs out via El Segundo and Culver Blvds and meets the 36th at Pershing Drive just west of LAX. BTW, the 36th is represented by Janice Hahn. She is the daughter of the late Kenneth Hahn.

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Thanks Cyclist. A relative works for Janice Hahn. Her father was revered by the 'black' community - and no 'black' politician could ever unseat him. He worked for his constituents - and his daughter is also highly respected by her constituents. Communication - not color being the key to SOME California politics. Hey - I hope you're outside! This is a beautiful day!

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In reality, Maxine represents her constituency evidently in a manner that they support.

And Hitler represented a constituency in a manner that they supported.

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Davids mom - Blacks and Voting

I still get a chuckle out of the Georgia 11th Congressional District drawn up after the 1990 census. This was championed by good ole Cynthia with support from her dad. They were determined to have a minority majority district even at the expense of losing Democrat Party strength in other districts. But nonetheless, they were focused only on one thing.

It did work as good ole Cynthia won hands down. However, it was as obvious as the tail on that certain donkey what happened and why. Of course this was challenged and finally went to the "Supremes" which ruled that it amounted to racial gerrymandering and declared it unconstitutional under the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution.

A side note here: It seems that the Voting Rights Act has limits.

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Looks like a similar thingy is happening now. I'm not familiar with the areas in GA - but according to this mornings paper, some 'racial ' gerrymandering is going on again. Ah, politics. Interesting stuff. :-). 5 steps forward/ 4 back. We can't get ahead that way! Hear anything about the Whitewater/Sandy stunt? I guess we'll have to wait until tomorrow. I so enjoy watching our teens interact- it's just difficult to believe IF an adult was aware of this, they would allow it to happen. An insult to a team that MAY be predominately of one race may encourage a greater desire in that team to whip their opposition. What was the score?

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Hard to tell on Sandy Springs exercise. I'm sure some there might feel the same as those in North Fayette County. Gee, imagine that. Oh well, and the old conga line keeps on going.

On the Whitewater/Sandy Springs stunt, I would like to think that in this day and age that it didn't happen. I would be saddened if it did. I know during my time as a band parent we a had young man on the cheerleading squad. The yelling and the taunts that he faced was unreal. It made no difference if we were playing in Clayton County or in Cobb County. But every game he went out and faced it. I, for one, will never forget that.

As for the score, I hear Fayette County lost by one point. It must have been a good game but, I suspect we'll never know about it. Oh well.

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Comparing Maxine to Sarah?

What did Sarah say that was even close to being as offensive and disdainful as the garbage that has spewed from Maxines mouth?

I'm not a big fan of Sarah, but at least she isn't a bitter old racist shrew like Maxine. To compare the two is laughable.

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To those interested: Who was Jim Crow?

There ain't no such person.

The following is Jim Crow: (Laws were passed for each)
No marriages between races.
Segregated schools
Seg. housing covenants.
Seg. rental properties
Seg. jails
Be able to read any part of constitution and write it.
Separate railroad cars.
No arguments written in media about these laws
Books used by black clould not be used by whites and V_V.
Seg. Libraries
No adoptions between races.
Seperate bus seating
Any kind of lockers, showers, etc., seperate
Different hearses for races--always
Different phone booths, water fountains
Must own property to vote
Restaurants and waiting rooms totally segragated
State parks seg.
Any form of entertainment must be segragated.

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I posted this earlier. What a revelation to think that a literate individual would make a statement like "Jim Crow was a Democrat". See my post for some of the 'practices' that I observed. (No hand shaking, etc. between the races) My husband’s family is buried in the 'old' cemetery in Georgia (blacks only). In old Los Angeles, the cemeteries were segregated through the 50’s . . .even if the dead were a celebrity. (Of course, religions had their separate cemeteries) Fayetteville and Peachtree City should be celebrating what they have accomplished in the south!! These communities should be duplicated throughout our nation. I am aware that there are still problems - as exhibited by some of the attitudes in this discussion - but hallelujah for the 'moving on’.

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Jim Crow

The phrase Jim Crow started in 1832. By 1900 every former Confederate state (including Wyoming, Missouri, Ohio, Utah, Kentucky, Kansas and Oklahoma) had enacted “Jim Crow” laws prohibiting everything from interracial marriage to racially integrated public school systems. These state laws served to place blacks back on a virtual plantation. Similar to the “Black Codes” that came before them, Jim Crow laws resulted from Democratic legislators of the “Solid South.” Senator Al Gore’s father, Senator Al Gore Sr., was locked arm-in-arm with other segregationist Democrats to kill the Civil Rights act of 1964.

The euphemism Jim Crow is lost on people of lower intelligence.

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Great research!!!! Now you know how silly it was to state Jim Crow was a Democrat. Al Gore, Sr. was a Dixiecrat. Look that up. Have a great day,

By the way - when LBJ signed the bill, he reportedly said,"We've lost the South" - meaning the Democratic Party. .and those Democrats who were locked arm in arm soon led the Dixiecrats to join the Republican Party. It's in the book!

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DM - Don't patronize me

Jim Crow laws were DEMOCRAT laws.

Al Gore Sr. was a DEMOCRAT. The only member of congress to serve in the KKK was a DEMOCRAT. The Democrat party history is rife with racism.

There was no such thing as a "dixiecrat" party.

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What we are talking about here.........

.......is "Conservative" and "Liberals."

The southern democrats changed parties to republicans in the 1960s. Continued their fight.

Looks like we still have some of that in GA yet.......Whitewater and Sandy Creek played HS football and one team came with bananas to feed the other team! (so I hear).

Could it be that one team is predominantly black and v-v?

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Whitewater vs Sandy Creek

Let's hope the individuals involved are spoken to and guided towards correct behavior that does not belittle a 'race'. Home training sometimes needs to be augmented by coaches and teachers of the cheer leaders. Remember, not all of the students at Whitewater or Sandy Creek would condone this action.

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This would make national news if true

Board of Education, would you speak to this? I hope if this behavior happened it won't be tolerated.

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I can confirm...

...when I had 2 kids @ Whitewater HS and I went to just about every home game over 4 yrs (3 yrs ago); NOTHING of the sort ever took place, within my viewing area. Working the concession stand, though, we did sell bananas occasionally, as I remember, but I'm quite certain it wasn't for any particular visiting team. My kids would have definitely told me if such things happened, as they had black friends there (yes, even at Whitewater!). I could imagine a few dumba$$ kids doing such, though - they're certainly out there!

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Grizz, let’s not forget

David Duke, a Grand Wizard and former candidate in the Republican presidential primaries in 1992.

You show me your scars, I’ll show you mine! 8 - )

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Nice try, Gort

Segregationist Senator Albert Gore Sr - Elected by Democrats
KKK Congressman Robert Byrd - Elected by Democrats

David Duke was NOT elected by Republicans because he was a racist. The highest office he held was at the state level.

That's the difference. Democrats elect avowed racists over, and over and over again, where Republicans don't.

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David Duke - who elected him to his state level office? Democrats? :-)

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Grizz, I’ll see your Robert Byrd

and raise you GOP Teaparty favorite Rich Iott. (What’s with this dressing up like a Nazi thing.)

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/10/why-is-this-gop-hous...

In case you haven’t heard both Robert Byrd and Al Gore Sr. are dead. They probably won’t be running for office again soon but, if the next election is close, they may get to vote! 8 - )

In my opinion, it’s not so much that guys like David Duke, or a Rich Iott, don’t get elected; the point is they feel so comfortable running as a GOP candidate.

Like I told you before, “You show me your scars, I’ll show you mine! 8 - )

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D_Mom, don’t you just love to hear Grizz,

and others, deny the political history here in the South.

It’s a historical fact, from the past to present, the southern states political majority went from Democrat to Dixiecrat, to Republican and now to the Teaparty.

The denial must have something to do with their disbelief of evolution. The claim that Democrats elect avowed racists comes from right wing talk radio and Faux News’s, steady diet of propaganda the right loves to digest and repeat back as often as they can.

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Sharpsburg subdivision named after KKK founder

...Bedford Forrest. Go take a drive over there and check it out. Racism and bigotry are still prevalent, especially in the south. I'm really surprised (well, maybe not) that the developer would name his/her subdivision after such a controversial figure in southern history.

" (General Forrest) a heralded cavalry leader who also is known for commanding a massacre of black Union Army soldiers at the Battle of Fort Pillow and for being a founding member of the Ku Klux Klan."

Mississippi License Plates: http://abcnews.go.com/US/kkk-founder-gen-nathan-bedford-forrest-mississi...

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Ouch! When I first moved here, I wanted to know the history behind some of the street names in Fayetteville. (There is no Lincoln Blvd.). Not too different from Sharpsburg. Hey-it's history - sad as it is. I think some forget, the Confederacy lost.
But I have no problem celebrating 'heroes' - just tell the truth about what they did- and realize those days will never return!
(it's better than pretending these tragedies didn't happen. The 'black ' soldiers represented the Union. . And were the legal enemy- and not revolutionary blacks that southern history often ignores.) (slaves were better off under slavery according to some). Revolt in the south equaled 'lynching'. Even today, uppity is not admired in a person of color by some. My gosh! I attended early church service- and almost all of the news programs are discussing the hurricane and race!! Go figure!

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Nathan Bedford Forrest...a true southern gentleman!

I won't tell you I have over 4/5 books on him. I won't bother to remind some that General Forrest was tried by the victors (like a German being tired by after WWII) and found NOT GUILTY. Perhaps you guys need to read your history. It is all there (if you have the IQ to find it). FACTS..DEAL IN THOSE...

If the man was guilty...they would have found him so...the deck was certainly stacked against him. Yet he was found innocent? how could that be?

If you can found anything where he was found GUILTY... please let me know and we will certainly rewrite history for you..

until then...please read this

it may help

http://www.freeinfosociety.com/article.php?id=184

In June, 1861, immediately after Tennessee seceded from the Union, Forrest enlisted as a private in White's Tenn. Mounted Rifles. Forrest refused to use his influence or wealth to "purchase" a commission in the Tennessee militia. Within days, a group of Memphians convinced Governor Ishom Harris, and General Leonidas Polk, that Forrest was capable of much higher responsibility, so Forrest was commissioned a lieutenant colonel in the militia, and was allowed to raise a battalion of Cavalry, at his own expense. (the first of three units he would raise and outfit at his own expense during the war)

Much has been written about Nathan Bedford Forrest, and his military exploits. This text will not detail his military history, but will just touch on various battles to further show his character.

Though Forrest had absolutely no military training, he immediately showed an immense understanding of the kind of cavalry tactics that would serve him well during the war. While watching a militarily trained subordinate training the men in various cavalry drills, Forrest asked if there was a drill that would take the same men past the same point various times. The subordinate answered "yes", and was curious why Forrest wanted to know. Forrest replied he felt that some time in the future they would need to make the enemy think they had many more men than they actually did. To quote Shelby Foote, in "The Civil War, a Narrative": "In his first fight, northeast(sic) of Bowling Green, the forty year old Forrest improvised a double envelopment, combined it with a frontal assault-classic maneuvers which he could not identify by name and of which he had most likely never heard..."

Forrest had the uncanny ability, not unlike that of Alexander the Great, Napoleon Bonaparte, and other great military leaders, to immediately read a battlefield, to read the disposition of his opponents, and to know when his opponents had reached the breaking point. Actually, Forrest duplicated many of the tactics of Bonaparte, though he had not been trained in them, nor most likely did he know the name of a single principle of war. Yet, few generals in history made better use of them.

When asked, Forrest stated that he won battles "by getting there first with the most men, planning and making my own fight, never letting the other fellow make the fight for me...Strike the first blow...Get them skeered and keep the skeer on them...charge and give them hell." Most successful military leaders throughout history would basically say the same thing.

Forrest, who was a tall man for the day, at 6'1", was said to have struck an imposing figure. He was described by one of his biographers as: "In person he is six feet one inch and a half in height, with broad shoulders, a full chest and symmetrical, muscular limbs, erect in carriage, and weighs 185 pounds; dark gray eyes, dark hair, mustache, and beard worn upon the chin; a set of regular set teeth and clearly cut features," which altogether, makes him rather a handsome man." Accounts of him by soldiers are similar to those of General Robert E. Lee, his very presence was felt. Private Phillip D. Stephenson, of the 5th Washington Artillery wrote:

"A tall, lithe, straight figure with the look and tread of an Indian passed swiftly by me, his right arm extended and gesticulating energetically to his men, and his tongue 'keeping time to it,' in a loud, high, harsh voice, every accent full of a commanding will that made his men jump to obedience....Forrest was in full uniform, faded but complete, except the head gear. He wore a home-made, bell-crowned, low, black, beaver hat, wide brimmed. Not very pretty. No man had more right to care for appearances than he, noted Stephenson. Forrest was a handsome man with a face, figure, movement, and bearing that no one, once seeing, was apt to forget. You felt that he was a combination of enormous activity, endurance, and strength. That's what he was! Grace too! Forrest was no country gawk nor awkward man, as rough hewn self made men are apt to be."

Though considered by many to be the best cavalry leader of the war, Forrest really didn't follow the traditional role of a traditional cavalry leader, that role being primarily to serve as the eyes and ears of the army commander, Forrest pretty much redefined that role, to serve as mounted infantry. He was most effective when allowed to work independently, though his command always performed superbly when asked to perform traditional cavalry roles.

As early as the campaign against Fort Donelson, in Feb 1862, where Forrest was in charge of all of the Cavalry in the battle, Forrest realized that two Union brigades were retreating, and suggested that he lead his cavalry in an all-out attack. The general on the field, fearing an ambush, forbid it. There was no ambush present, if Forrest had attacked at the particular point he was suggesting, the attack would most likely have been extremely successful, it would have gained an important early-war victory that most likely have likely changed the War in the West, and definitely permanently ruined the career of the opposing general, Ulysses S. Grant. Though, Forrest would give Grant much heartache two years later. Forrest was promoted to Colonel immediately after Fort Donelson.

That night, in a conference of the commanders, the decision was made to surrender. Forrest, furious with the decisions that had been made that day, stood up and angrily exclaimed: "I did not come here for the purpose of surrendering my command!" It was agreed that Forrest's command could leave if they were gone by the time the surrender party showed up. Not only did he extract his entire command, but many other soldiers that wanted to leave, and also Gen's Floyd and Pillow.

A few months later, at the battle of Shiloh (Pittsburg Landing), Forrest fought gallantly during the first day, being located at "the hornets' nest". After the death of the commanding general, Albert Sidney Johnston, the new commander, General P T G Beauregard, decided to call off the fighting about an hour before dark, as the men were exhausted and starving, they had marched the entire previous night through mud and water, and had fought viciously throughout the uncommonly hot day. He also believed reinforcements for the Union were 1-2 days' march away. Forrest strongly disagreed with Beauregard, he felt that the Union army, backed against the Tennessee River, was at the breaking point. At midnight, the Union army was reinforced, and the next day proved a huge defeat for the rebels. As the Confederate army retreated, Forrest's cavalry served bravely as rear guard, and prevented further rout and defeat of the army. Forrest actually personally charged and routed a line of Union skirmishers during the retreat. He was promoted to Brigadier General a few months later.

During the next year, Forrest's regiments performed brilliantly in the traditional role as Cavalry - disrupting enemy movements, communications, supply lines, and creating confusion- throughout Western and Middle Tennessee and Northern Mississippi. He captured thousands of Union troops, usually outnumbered 4 to 1. He captured literally millions of dollars of Federal supplies and ordinance...more than any other cavalry commander in history. He actually at one point captured two Federal riverboats, but didn't have the personnel to man them.

At the Battle of Chickamauga, once again, Forrest saw a defeated and demoralized Union army before him (and he was once again correct), and advised an all-out attack. The next night, after the Union army had retreated into Chattanooga, he went to Bragg's headquarters, beside himself of the fact that the army had not moved against the enemy, and tried to impress on General Braxton Bragg the poor state of the enemy. Bragg (who always had some kind of excuse why not to follow up a near victory) asked Forrest how they could move against the enemy without supplies, and refused to order an attack. Forrest replied "General Bragg, we can get all of the supplies we need in Chattanooga." Bragg didn't answer, and Forrest stormed from the tent. Later, when Bragg ordered Forrest to turn over his troops, (the second time, he had also done it about a year before) and report to Gen Joseph Wheeler, a man that Bragg knew that Forrest hated, Forrest said to Bragg:

"You commenced your cowardly and contemptible persecution of me soon after the battle of Shiloh, and you have kept it up ever since. You did it because I reported to Richmond facts, while you reported damned lies. You robbed me of my command in Kentucky, and gave it to one of your personal favorites -- men that I armed and equipped from the enemies of our country. In a spirit of revenge and spite, because I would not fawn upon you as others did, you drove me into West Tennessee in the winter of 1862, with a second brigade I had organized, with improper arms and without sufficient ammunition, although I had made repeated applications for the same. You did it to ruin me and my career.

"When in spite of all this I returned with my command, well equipped by captures, you began your work of spite and persecution, and have kept it up. And now this second brigade, organized and equipped without thanks to you or the government, a brigade which has won a reputation for successful fighting second to none in the army, taking advantage of your position as the commanding general in order to further humiliate me, you have taken these brave men from me.

"I have stood your meanness as long as I intend to. You have played the part of a damned scoundrel, and are a coward, and if you were any part of a man I would slap your jaws and force you to resent it.

"You have threatened to arrest me for not obeying you orders promptly. I dare you to do it, and I say that if you ever again try to interfere with me or cross my path, it will be at the peril of your life."

(This quote was told after the war by Forrest's chief surgeon, Dr. J. B. Cowan. Cowan was the only person besides Bragg and Forrest that heard this exchange. Afterwards, Cowan exclaimed to Forrest, "Well, you're in for it now." Forrest replied, "He'll never open his mouth. Unless you or I mention it, this will never be known.")

Forrest spent most of 1864 wreaking havoc on the Union forces under Gen William T. Sherman, in Northern Mississippi, Western and Middle Tennessee (which by this time was under control of the Union army) and Northern Alabama. Sherman became enamored with getting rid of Forrest, and sent several excursions into Northern Mississippi purely for that purpose.

The aftermath of the Battle of Fort Pillow in April, 1864, is still heatedly debated today. An inquiry by General Sherman soon after the "massacre", and a congressional investigation by the US Congress after the war, exonerated Forrest from any personal wrongdoing there. The gist of the controversy stems from accusations that Forrest's men allowed no African-American soldier in Union uniform to surrender, but shot them instead. Although these were the first US Colored Troops that any soldier in the western theater had seen, Forrest had both slaves and freedmen fighting in his ranks, it could have come as no shock to see black men in uniform.

Forrest's defeat of General Samuel D. Sturgis at the Battle of Brice's Crossroads was and is considered brilliant, and is still studied by students at the US Army War College, and in other military schools throughout the world. It has been called "the perfect battle".

While leading his troops north from Decatur to Nashville in late September, 1864, Forrest encountered a Union regiment at Athens, Alabama. When the Federal commander, Colonel Wallace Campbell, refused to surrender, Forrest asked for a personal meeting and invited Campbell to inspect his troops. Campbell accepted. Each time the men left a detachment, Forrest's troops would quickly pack up and race to another position; Forrest and Campbell would then arrive and continue to tally up an impressive number of Confederate troops. By the time they returned to the fort, Campbell was convinced that he was vastly outnumbered and gave Forrest an unconditional surrender.

At Spring Hill, TN, Forrest's command defeated the Federal cavalry, and held a large portion of the infantry until General John Bell Hood's infantry arrived. Forrest again read the enemy disposition correctly, realizing that the enemy would move that night, and demanded that General Hood allow him to cross the river and cut off the Union escape route, but Hood would not give permission. At the end of the following day, after the Battle of Franklin, 5 Confederate Generals and over 6200 of their men lay dead on the battlefield, another general was mortally wounded, and 5 more generals wounded, along with 53 regimental commanders. Afterwards, Forrest told Hood (who had lost a leg, and obviously his confidence, at Gettysburg) if he were half of a man, he would slap his jaws. Hood sent Forrest's command to Murphreesboro, to attempt to draw some of the Union forces away from Nashville, and then proceeded to decimate what was left of his army by ordering a frontal attack against Federal positions at the Battle of Nashville.

Forrest's movements as rear guard, working along with a Mississippi infantry regiment under BG Edward Walthall, has been considered magnificent by military historians around the world. For it, Forrest was promoted to Lieutenant General, and given command of all the cavalry forces in Mississippi. (Walthall was promoted to Major General)

By this time, Forrest knew the war was lost, but continued to harass the Union army as ordered, and continued to fight with the same determination and spirit that he had had throughout the war. (actually, he had admitted that the war was lost as early as 18 months before the surrender.) The word that Lee had surrendered reached the west while Forrest was fighting at Selma, AL. Forrest was approached by Mississippi governor Charles Clark, and Tennessee governor (exiled) Isham Harris, to discuss taking the army to join unsurrendered forces in Texas. Forrest replied, "Men, you may all do as you damn please, but I'm a-going home...To make men fight under such circumstances would be nothing but murder. Any man who is favor of a further prosecution of this war is a fit subject for a lunatic asylum." Forrest surrendered his command, and gave his final address to his troops:

Soldiers: By an agreement made between Lieut.-Gen. Taylor, commanding the Department of Alabama. Mississippi, and East Louisiana, and Major-Gen. Canby, commanding United States forces, the troops of this department have been surrendered.

I do not think it proper or necessary at this time to refer to causes which have reduced us to this extremity; nor is it now a matter of material consequence to us how such results were brought about. That we are BEATEN is a self-evident fact, and any further resistance on our part would justly be regarded as the very height of folly and rashness.

The armies of Generals Lee and Johnston having surrendered. you are the last of all the troops of the Confederate States Army east of the Mississippi River to lay down your arms.

The Cause for which you have so long and so manfully struggled, and for which you have braved dangers, endured privations, and sufferings, and made so many sacrifices, is today hopeless. The government which we sought to establish and perpetuate, is at an end. Reason dictates and humanity demands that no more blood be shed. Fully realizing and feeling that such is the case, it is your duty and mine to lay down our arms -- submit to the "powers that be" -- and to aid in restoring peace and establishing law and order throughout the land.

The terms upon which you were surrendered are favorable, and should be satisfactory and acceptable to all. They manifest a spirit of magnanimity and liberality, on the part of the Federal authorities, which should be met, on our part, by a faithful compliance with all the stipulations and conditions therein expressed. As your Commander, I sincerely hope that every officer and soldier of my command will cheerfully obey the orders given, and carry out in good faith all the terms of the cartel.

Those who neglect the terms and refuse to be paroled, may assuredly expect, when arrested, to be sent North and imprisoned. Let those who are absent from their commands, from whatever cause, report at once to this place, or to Jackson, Miss.; or, if too remote from either, to the nearest United States post or garrison, for parole.

Civil war, such as you have just passed through naturally engenders feelings of animosity, hatred, and revenge. It is our duty to divest ourselves of all such feelings; and as far as it is in our power to do so, to cultivate friendly feelings towards those with whom we have so long contended, and heretofore so widely, but honestly, differed. Neighborhood feuds, personal animosities, and private differences should be blotted out; and, when you return home, a manly, straightforward course of conduct will secure the respect of your enemies. Whatever your responsibilities may be to Government, to society, or to individuals meet them like men.

The attempt made to establish a separate and independent Confederation has failed; but the consciousness of having done your duty faithfully, and to the end, will, in some measure, repay for the hardships you have undergone.

In bidding you farewell, rest assured that you carry with you my best wishes for your future welfare and happiness. Without, in any way, referring to the merits of the Cause in which we have been engaged, your courage and determination, as exhibited on many hard-fought fields, has elicited the respect and admiration of friend and foe. And I now cheerfully and gratefully acknowledge my indebtedness to the officers and men of my command whose zeal, fidelity and unflinching bravery have been the great source of my past success in arms.

I have never, on the field of battle, sent you where I was unwilling to go myself; nor would I now advise you to a course which I felt myself unwilling to pursue. You have been good soldiers, you can be good citizens. Obey the laws, preserve your honor, and the Government to which you have surrendered can afford to be, and will be, magnanimous.

Forrest surrendered himself and his command, and after he was exonerated for war crimes, he signed his parole in Memphis, his fortune gone, he one again began living as a civilian. He once was quoted as saying "I went into the army worth a million and a half dollars, and came out a beggar."

Forrest took a job as president of Selma, Marion & Memphis Railroad, which he was successful at.

Forrest was a local celebrity after the war. He tried to help former Confederate soldiers, and their widows and families all he could.

Forrest gave many speeches and talks around the Memphis area from 1866 to 1874. Most of these speeches talked of peace, patriotism for the US Constitution, and trying to bring the country back together. Addressing an African-American group, he was quoted as saying, "We are born on the same soil, breathe the same air, live on the same land, and why should we not be brothers and sisters?"

In August, 1866, a troop of Federal cavalry was riding by Forrest's place, as much out of curiosity to see him as for any more definite reason. Forrest's war horse, King Phillip, was grazing in the front lot. As the blue-clad cavalry filed into the lot on the way up to the house, King Phillip's training in many a melee reasserted itself, and he rushed the bluecoats, teeth bared and front feet flailing. When some of the soldiers, astonished at his onslaught, struck at him, Forrest's wartime body servant Jerry- whom the other Negro's in the Forrest command had referred to, and obeyed, as "the Gin'ral"- rushed out to defend the horse. After Forrest himself had come out and the horse was back in the stable and things had quieted down, the Federal captain observed, "General, now I can account for your success. Your negroes fight for you, and your horses fight for you."

Forrest was also known to have a soft side. He held women in the highest regard, and was said to "melt" in the presence of children, whom he loved. At the battle near Okolona, Miss, his favorite brother, Jeffrey, who was also one of Forrest's division commanders, was shot in the neck and died on the battlefield. Forrest went to him, knelt on the ground, and was said by witnesses to have been visibly shaken and pained by his brother's death.

"Reconstruction", the 17 year period after the war when the south was under martial law, and the people basically lost their rights as Americans, was a terrible time for the citizens of the former Confederate States of America. It was intended by the US Congress as punishment for secession. The south was controlled by military leaders, who may have been excellent commanders in battle, but were pretty much universally horrible as governors. A "carpetbagger" government was put in place...men that were generally scoundrels and often criminals, served as "rulers" of the states and communities. They appointed former Union sympathizers and former slaves in positions of authority, to infuriate and humiliate the people. This was pretty much a lawless time throughout much of the south, not unlike that in the western territories. Forrest described that government as "I believe that party to be composed, as I know it is in Tennessee, of the worst men on Gods earth - men who would not hesitate at no crime [sic], and who have only one object in view - to enrich themselves."

The Ku Klux Klan is a secret organization that has always been shrouded in mystery. Even its very beginnings are sketchy. It is known that 6 former Confederate officers at Pulaski Tennessee, approached Forrest with the idea of a "police force", for the blessings of Forrest, who held the respect of the people. Forrest gave his blessings, and for it, he was appointed their first leader. The controversy stems in whether Forrest actually played an active part in the organization.

The KKK quickly spread throughout the south. Secrecy was, of course, an important part of this organization, because it was considered illegal by the "carpetbagger" government. Forrest, in an interview with the Cincinnati Commercial stated:

"Yes, sir. It is a protective political military organization. I am willing to show any man the constitution of the society. The members are sworn to recognize the government of the United States. It does not say anything at all about the government of Tennessee. Its objects originally were protection against Loyal Leagues and the Grand Army of the Republic; but after it became general it was found that political matters and interests could best be promoted within it, and it was then made a political organization, giving its support, of course, to the democratic party...."

"...Since its organization, the leagues have quit killing and murdering our people. There were some foolish young men who put masks on their faces and rode over the country, frightening negroes, but orders have been issued to stop that, and it has ceased. You may say, further, that three members of the Ku-Klux have been court-martialed and shot for violations of the orders not to disturb or molest people."

When asked if he was actually a member of the KKK, Forrest stated "I am not, but am in sympathy and will co-operate with them. I know that they are charged with many crimes that they are not guilty of."

By 1869, for several reasons, including fear of retaliation on the Tennessee people from the militia, who had been given the order from Governor Brownlow to "shoot down the KuKlux on site", it being well known that Brownlow called all southerners "KuKlux", Forrest asked the KKK to disband, stating "being perverted from its original honorable and patriotic purposes, becoming injurious instead of subservient to the public peace."

Though the KKK is now known as a hate group, and is known primarily at that time for lynchings and terrorizing former slaves, the Klan did serve a useful purpose. They helped take care of poor Confederate widows; they took care of criminals and fought crime, and they basically restored order to the South, where there was none.

Forrest's health gradually declined for the last few years of his life, probably from diabetes. During much of that time, he was cared for by some of his former slaves, who had come to live him at his house in Bailey Springs, TN after the war. He attended a reunion of of his former regiments in 1876, and addressed the former soldiers from horseback, being too sick to dismount his horse. Pale and thin, Bedford said, "Soldiers, I was afraid that I could not be with you today, but I could not bear the thought of not meeting with you, and I will always try to meet with you in the future."

On October 29th, 1877, former president Jefferson Davis came to visit Forrest, along with obviously a small crowd of people, a common act at the time for someone that was dying...he was in and out of consciousness, and barely recognized Davis. At 7pm, he breathed his last breath. He was buried at Elmwood Cemetery, in Memphis. His remains were reinterred to Forrest Park Cemetery...of course named after the general.

Forrest's legacy is determined by who the interested person is, where they live, what their interest in Forrest is, among other determining factors.

Forrest's contemporaries showed much respect for the General. Reportedly, someone asked Robert E. Lee to name the greatest soldier produced on either side during the war and he replied, "A man I have never seen, sir. His name is Forrest." General Sherman, who during the called him "that devil Forrest", also had a high opinion of Forrest and said, "Forrest was the most remarkable man our Civil War produced on either side." General Joseph E. Johnston said essentially the same thing as did General P. G. T. Beauregard. To Beauregard, "Forrest's capacity for war seemed only to be limited by the opportunities for its display."

Military historians and tacticians study Forrest's tactics and movements, and still utilize his tactics in battle plans. Forrest's battles have been and are still studied today. The war colleges for most armies around the world study Brice's Crossroads. German Field Marshall Erwin Rommel, and four other German military leaders, visited the battlefield in 1937, while touring the United States.

For the first two or three generations after the war, the people of the south, especially in the area that he served, loved Forrest. Towns, cities, counties, streets, parks, etc, all over Mississippi, Tennessee, Alabama, Arkansas, and Georgia, still bear his name. This author, who grew up in Northern Mississippi during the 1960's, remembers many older people that spoke of Forrest with reverence.

Many Civil War buffs and activists place Forrest on the same pedestal as Robert E. Lee, Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson, James Longstreet, and others.

Unfortunately, to most of the rest of the population, mostly due to the work of civil rights activists, Forrest is mostly known for being a slave trader, and the first "Grand Dragon" or whatever, of the KKK. Those same people have worked for years at destroying the memory of the Confederacy.

Perhaps the most fitting epitaph for Nathan Bedford Forrest, were the words his friend, Minor Meriwether, was heard to tearfully say to his son Lee, within minutes of Forrest's passing away: "the man you just saw dying will never die. He will live in the memory of men who love patriotism, and who admire genius and daring."

Bibliography:

That Devil Forrest -The Life of Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest, John Allan Wyeth, New York: Harper & Brothers Publishers, 1959.

Bedford Forrest and His Critter Company, Andrew Nelson Lytle, New York: Minton Balch, 1931

Fustest with the Mostest: The Military Career of Tennessee's Greatest Confederate, Lt. Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest, Edward F. Williams III, Memphis: Southern Books, 1969.

First with the Most: Forrest at Brice's Cross Roads and in North Mississippi in 1864, Edwin C. Bearss, Dayton, Ohio: Press of Morningside Bookshop, 1979

The Civil War: A Narrative. Vol. 1: Fort Sumter to Perryville. Shelby Foote, New York: Random House, 1958.

The Civil War: A Narrative. Vol. 2: Fredericksburg to Meridian. Shelby Foote, New York: Random House, 1963.

The Civil War: A Narrative. Vol. 3: Red River to Appomattox.Shelby Foote, New York: Random House, 1974.

Hughes, Nathaniel Cheairs Jr. "The Civil War Memoir of Philip Daingerfield Stephenson, D. D., UCA Press 1995

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Why do you try to confuse our resident paranoid race baiters with historical facts???

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true...I just keep hoping

I read my 1st book on Forrest because of all the controversy. (and he married into the family!) I was hooked! The man was brilliant but so maligned. If people would only read about him instead of repeating what someone told them.....

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Skyspy: We are only confused by the book she just pasted here

and her constant harping on race and bad black people taking over Delta; all while criticizing D's M for talking too much about race. What?! Have fun egging her on, but me thinks the lady needs a drink :-)

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for those that hate to/won't read

the parts you may find of interest are:

In August, 1866, a troop of Federal cavalry was riding by Forrest's place, as much out of curiosity to see him as for any more definite reason. Forrest's war horse, King Phillip, was grazing in the front lot. As the blue-clad cavalry filed into the lot on the way up to the house, King Phillip's training in many a melee reasserted itself, and he rushed the bluecoats, teeth bared and front feet flailing. When some of the soldiers, astonished at his onslaught, struck at him, Forrest's wartime body servant Jerry- whom the other Negro's in the Forrest command had referred to, and obeyed, as "the Gin'ral"- rushed out to defend the horse. After Forrest himself had come out and the horse was back in the stable and things had quieted down, the Federal captain observed, "General, now I can account for your success. Your negroes fight for you, and your horses fight for you."

.......................and..

The aftermath of the Battle of Fort Pillow in April, 1864, is still heatedly debated today. An inquiry by General Sherman soon after the "massacre", and a congressional investigation by the US Congress after the war, exonerated Forrest from any personal wrongdoing there. The gist of the controversy stems from accusations that Forrest's men allowed no African-American soldier in Union uniform to surrender, but shot them instead. Although these were the first US Colored Troops that any soldier in the western theater had seen, Forrest had both slaves and freedmen fighting in his ranks, it could have come as no shock to see black men in uniform.

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Nathan Bedford Forrest

was of Scots Irish descent!

From wikipedia:

Nathan Bedford Forrest's father was an Ulster Scot and his mother was born in Glasgow.

Nuf said!

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Nuf said? beware the Scots Irish?

For such a small group of people..they certainly made themselves known.

Andrew Jackson- 'Old Hickory' the People's President. 7th President, 1829-37: He was born in the predominantly Ulster-Scots Waxhaws area of South Carolina two years after his parents left Boneybefore, near Carrickfergus in County Antrim. later moved to Tennessee and became governor.

James Knox Polk
11th President, 1845-49: His ancestors were among the first Ulster-Scots settlers, emigrating from Coleraine in 1680 to become a powerful political family in Mecklenburg County, North Carolina. He moved to Tennessee and became its governor before winning the presidency.

James Buchanan
15th President, 1857-61: 'Old Buck' cherished his origins: "My Ulster blood is a priceless heritage". The Buchanans were originally from Deroran, near Omagh in County Tyrone where the ancestral home still stands.

Andrew Johnson

17th President, 1865-69: His grandfather left Mounthill, near Larne in County Antrim around 1750 and settled in North Carolina.

Ulysses S. Grant
18th President, 1869-77: The home of his maternal great-grandfather, John Simpson, at Dergenagh, County Tyrone,

Chester A. Arthur
21st President, 1881-85: His succession to the Presidency was the start of a quarter-century in which the White House was occupied by men of Ulster-Scots origins. His family left Dreen, near Cullybackey, County Antrim, in 1815.
Grover Cleveland
22nd and 24th President, 1885-89 and 1893-97: County Antrim in the 1790s. He is the only president to have served non-consecutive terms.

Benjamin Harrison
23rd President, 1889-93: His mother, Elizabeth Irwin, had Ulster-Scots roots through her two great-grandfathers, James Irwin and William McDowell. Harrison was born in Ohio and served as a brigadier general in the Union Army before embarking on a career in Indiana politics which led to the White House.
William McKinley
25th President, 1897-1901: Born in Ohio, the descendant of a farmer from Conagher, near Ballymoney, County Antrim, he was proud of his ancestry and addressed one of the national Scotch-Irish congresses held in the late 19th century. His second term as president was cut short by an assassin's bullet.
Theodore Roosevelt
26th President, 1901-09: His mother's Ulster Scots ancestors emigrated from Glenoe, County Antrim, in May 1729. Roosevelt praised "Irish Presbyterians" as "a bold and hardy race."

Roosevelt said something that you might want to think about today....as he thought of himself as American...and didn't like people who wanted to point themselves out as say, 'African American' as your bunch has done.

"... a hyphenated American is not an American at all"

Woodrow Wilson
28th President, 1913-21: Of Ulster-Scot descent on both sides of the family, his roots were very strong and dear to him.

Richard Nixon
37th President, 1969-74: The Nixon ancestors left Ulster in the mid-18th century; the Quaker Milhouse family ties were with County Antrim and County Kildare.

Then there is Sam Houston..do you know who he was? and Davy Crocket.

Besides my hero, Nathan Bedford Forrest, there is George S Patton..know who he was either? He and "Monty" Montgomery, another Scot Irish, kind of had a lot to do with the outcome of WWII.

Bill Gates ( the computer guy? ever heard of him?)

Andrew Mellon? banking industry

Andrew Carnegi- industrialist and philanthropist

......................

I could go on..but my fingers are tired...

but the deal is

none of these people EVER got to go to the head of the line for the oppression of the Scot Irish. They were just too dam proud to ever suggest such a thing. In fact, I think we can all agree, they have stood aside and let YOU go first. I'm sure that is their way of saying you need it and they can make it on their own!

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Suggarfoot. You're killing us here. Pretty soon you're gonna

need a legal release from the publisher. Think Cliff's notes.....

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Scots Irish

not a small group! They basically flooded our fine country! Its not surprising a few turned up as president or town drunk! First, they were sent to Ulster from the Scottish lowlands/English border to pillage and squat on the landholdings of Irish gentry! Then, they came here after being evicted from Ireland! They might have been good at one time for chopping trees and fighting Apaches, and each other up in the hills, but we no longer need such hard headedness! Also, Nathan Bedford Forrest was pretty dang ugly, even for a Scots Irish!

Why do you hate the Braves so much? Is it because they are not owned by Ted Turner anymore! They have some brown players but no authentic African ones even! One Australian, but he is not an aboriginal!

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"First, they were sent to Ulster from the Scottish lowlands/English border to pillage and squat on the landholdings of Irish gentry! "

They didn't 'squat' as you put it. They ...got the land from ..Con O'Neil. Thousands and thousands of acres. These were very wealthy and industrious people, so much so, it was their downfall there. They started the colony..before.. the US colonies were started. In fact King James was so taken by what they did there he decided to colonize the US and tried to pattern it after what was done in Northern Ireland. He made several blunders and didn't copy what he should have.

The Northern Ireland Colony was formed by people invited there by Hamilton and Hugh Montgomery. Most were relatives because it was such a large track of land the king gave them only a few years to colonize or he would take it away from them. You see you might buy land from someone, but then the king owned all. You always paid taxes on the land to the king and he could take it away at any time.

When they got there they found the Irish had been ruined by the English, hunted down, caught and sent to the US as life slaves. The ones that were left could only live in the woods or caves and practicing canabalizam, not permited to build homes. The Scot Irish felt sorry for them n tried to hire them. The King of England told them they would have the same fate if the kept trying to help the Irish.

The Colony was a hit. So much so that the King of England tried to mimic the results in the US. The big difference was that the Scot Irish used no slaves, they did everything for themselves. And everyone came willingly and could leave at any time. Pretty soon the low cost they could produce grain and wool put the English and Scottish at a disadvantage. By this time the King's American slave/penal colonies were NOT doing so well. He put huge taxes on all the goods coming out of Northern Ireland in order to make up his losses on the US colonies.

The terms that Montgomery and Hamilton gave the people that followed them were liberal and generous. Hugh Montgomery had a brother that was the Bishop, and what land he didn't own, his brother controlled through the churches. He gave the people 66 year leases. No going up every year. In fact at the end of that time, the leases were to renew at the same amount. The Montgomerys had plenty of money, they wanted to get away from the English control, this was as good as they felt it was gonna get. Everyone that followed them felt the same way.

The problems were that the poor starving Irish rose up against them. 1. The English did nothing to help as they hated both groups and hoped they would kill each other off. So the Montgomerys and Hamiltons spent their wealth on hired armies to keep the people of Northern Ireland from being murdered by the Irish. 2. As I said earlier, the English taxed them to death and as soon as Hugh Montgomery died and more importantly his brother George, there was a new sherrif in town (Bishop) all the low rents were thrown out the window and the Scot Irish were then paying higher rents and higher taxes to the crown.

In the 1700s, which was late for immigration, you saw the Scot Irish start to come from Ireland to the US. They couldn't make a living there any more. When they came here and the English started up with them again, they rose to the occasion. You might say that England foolishly pizzed off some of the strongest willed people on earth, then was fool enough to go after them again in the US.

Have you ever heard of the 'Over Mountain men' in the Rev War? They were Scot Irish who settled on the frontier of the US. When the king wasn't having the expected results in the North, he sent his troups to the southern area to threaten them that if the didn't join on his side of the war, he would attack their families. Not only did they not join..they came 'over the mountain' after the English! They took the war to them and whipped their butts.

These people that you have in such low esteem, never owned slaves and always stood up for what they believed was right and for the common man. They are the backbone of this county.

ps

What you also don't know is that there were 'underground' railroads through Tennessee, big ones, and the Mississippi river was one too.

http://www.hamiltonmontgomery1606.com/

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this and only this

Is why these people were such a tight knit group. The Houstons, Montgomerys, Polk, Knox, Bucannons, Calhouns, Forrest, Crocket, Boone.....all these people are related. They are who you want in your corner.

You are talking about a group of people with different values.

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Like I Said Sweet Tootsies

The Scots Irish were good for making trails and fighting Apaches, but everything is paved now and the Apaches have given up! We don't need hardheaded folk like that anymore unless we need to blast some off to colonize Mars! Their short time has past! You prove my point! Also, King James sent those Scots to Ulster to beat down the Catholics and steal their property under the guise of a 'Colony'! And, Nathan Bedford Forrest fought for a lost cause! God was not on his side!

Amen!

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you are ignorant

and refuse to learn...or read!

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Sweet Pedals

Well, okay the roads might not be paved where you live, but I will read up on that later to remedy my ignorance! Why do you hate the Braves?

The South Will Never Rise Again! Too Many Scots Irish Holding it Back Still!

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grizz - Al Gore Sr.

I have always been told/read that Al Gore Sr. (Democrat) was the closest thing that this country has ever had to an elected communist.

other news from CBS news:

"President Obama's long lost uncle was arrested for drunk driving in Framingham in August, and is now being held by Immigration and Customs Enforcement as an illegal immigrant, the Australian Times is reporting. According to the paper, Hussein Onyango Obama, 67, was arrested outside the Chicken Bone Saloon in Framingham at around 7 p.m. on Aug 24. Police say he nearly crashed his Mitsubishi into a police cruiser before failng a breathalyzer test. Obama was charged with driving under the influence and driving to endanger, as well as failing to use a turn signal. He was detained as an illegal immigrant because of an outstanding warrant with ICE. He was previously ordered deported to Kenya."

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And that's because...

...Al Gore, Sr. was too busy to be bothered as he was stomping out moonshine stills that put out CO2 that were causing global warming!! :P

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Grizz -Jim Crow

Jim Crow and 'lower intelligence'. That cracked me up!! Grizz- it doesn't take an above 80 IQ to 'understand' go to the back of the bus!!!! I think, with your attempt at research - even you now realize that there was no one named Jim Crow who was a Democrat! Spin on my friend.

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Oou, I think McKinney...

...has some mental issues/problems. Hard to imagine someone w/ such a good education conducting themselves in an almost psychotic, destructive way, but, I suppose it happens. BTW, I like your quote from Machiavelli; fits well in this instance.

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Grizz - patronize?

Keep posting. Your interpretation of political history is illuminating. Unfortunately today's Republican Party represents the image of those Democrats who were locked arm in arm against integration. Please share with us your research - Dixiecrats. Thanks.

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Yes, patronize Davids mom

So now you imply that the Republican party is full of racists after I just named off 2 from the Democrat party that opposed integration and was a member of the KKK. So much for trying to have an intelligent conversation with you. You obviously have a big racial chip on your shoulder and are too stupid to carry on an intelligent conversation with.

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There's that 'venom' that someone mentioned earlier. Stick to facts and not emotion. Image is in the mind of the beholder and does not necessarily demonstrate 'fact'. To many, the Republican Party after Johnson had the image of wanting to maintain states rights - and halting integration. Get the facts - and don't get caught up on labels. You didn't do your research regarding Dixiecrat - and I'm sure you'll use the opinion as found in Black and Right. Have a nice evening!

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Tell it to Kerosene Maxine

It doesn't matter what I say, Davids mom. What matters is the venom that is spewed by an elected Democrat like Maxine Waters when she states that people with differing opinions can go "straight to hell". The Democrats are the party of racism. The Democrats are the party spewing hate and venom on a daily basis.

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LOL!! Now I get it! You're a disgruntled Democrat!! Sorry about that. Peace and love to ya!

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Surf's up. Rather be stirrin up trouble there.

But want to quickly point out the elephant's short memory.
Does anyone remember the outrage shown by conservatives when the Vice President they helped put in office told Democratic Senator Patrick Leahy to "Go F yourself?"

http://articles.cnn.com/2004-06-24/politics/cheney.leahy_1_kevin-kellems...

Anyone remember that outrage?..................

Yeah. Me neither.

Cheers

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Happy Sunday, Kevin

There's many others within the beltway other than the good Sen Leahy that have there comeuppance due. My only regret is they outlawed dueling.
Both McConnell and Kerry come to mind as neither side would realize the loss.

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KevinK, Cheney, & Leahy

Ah yes, the infamous "Leaky" Leahy, who has no problems revealing state secrets to unauthorized recipients! I would never condone such language on the Senate floor but I can understand the former VP's frustration with Leahy.

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Hey Athome and Big Mike. Great day today!

This thread, of course, is not about the motivation behind the language, but the language itself. The very easily researched linguistic style of the initiator of this thread is enough to make me laugh. Jokeawfi finds 'go to hell' hurtful and offensive :-). Seriously. That's good stuff right there. I'll save him the trouble and call myself a miserable weasle jaggoff :-D. Funny stuff.

I kind of do like the ten steps and turn around firing option. Id put my money on Kerry due to his time in boot camp ;-)

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Careful, There Kevin....

....those folks from Kentucky have been shootin' and feudin' for years, which means that ole Mitch may have inherited a a real mean streak. Not sure about Kerry, but I will defer to your judgement.

Nevertheless, neither would be much of a loss.

Have a great day!

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I do have to smile - but I'm concerned at the hesitancy of younger persons taking the time to research issues. Every issue has it's spin, but this Grizz guy won't even indicate that he understands what he's offered as 'fact'. I wish he'd change his picture! He's giving the 'bear' or 'bruin' a bad name! He is fun to read tho! LOL

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D_Mom, I’m just some old guy

that somehow managed to survive in a large corporation. I look at the young people coming on board the company now and I get a completely different feeling. I think they’re better now than ever before. (I feel the same way about my kids and other youngsters in our family.)

If you want to understand how Grizz feels just listen to right wing talk radio and Faux News. He has conditioned himself to feel the way he does and it’s beyond me why he and others do it to themselves.

Speaking of “pictures” what do you think of Joe Kawfi’s new one? It looks like old Joe is whispering something distressing into PTC_0’s ear! From the sour look on PTC_0’s face it must be that old story about Ayn Rand was sent to America by the KBG to destroy the US by creating the religion of selfishness. 8 - )

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Good to hear that about the 'younger set'. You know, Joe is so far gone, I hardly even notice his pictures. He, Grizz and suggarfoot are lost causes. I just can't understand why my comments 'upset' them so. :-) Religion of selfishness - LOL!

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