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Bachmann wins! Palin is aghast!

So Pawlenty, Newt, Cain, and Santorum are out. Santorun was Santorum so he didn't have a chance. Cain turned out to be a bigot. Newt wouldn't kiss the Tea Party and Koch brother's ring, and Pawlenty was fabulous right up until he got into the race.

Romney, Bachmann and Perry are in.

Let's face it, Romney and Bachmann are losers. Can Perry beat Obama? Or is he Fred Thompson/Wesley Clark?

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Locke, so far Gov. Perry

Locke, so far Gov. Perry looks like the new flavor of the month to beat Gov. Romney. I heard on the news this morning, Texas created a third of the jobs in the country during his administration. The bad news for him is the bulk of it was government jobs.

I’m looking forward to the next Republican debate! Gov Perry will beat the former IRS attorney, Rep Bachman like a rented mule and one good ‘Boo’ might scare Romney out of the race. We will see.

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Right you are, gort

The Texas miracle may not look so miraculous under closer scrutiny.

In any case either Perry or Romney has a tall hill to climb, despite the crummy economy. If you look at the 08 electoral outcome (365-173 for Obama), the GOP could flip Ohio, Florida, Indiana, NC, and Missouri, all of which were close states, and still not win. In that scenario it would likely hinge on Pennsylvannia, a 10-point Obama state in 08. The rest of the country is just pretty locked up, and as much as the Me Party dreams of "taking back our (their?) country," I can't see a massive shift.

I think the GOP stands a better chance with the businessman/pragmatist Romney than with Rev. Perry, because independents like me will give him a fairer hearing and not be turned off by the social issues thumping. (I admit I haven’t seen a lot of Perry yet, but so far he sure does remind you of a televangelist…..I’d advise him to lose the high starched collars and undertaker suits asap.) But either one will be an idiot if they don’t pick Marco Rubio as their VP because, although young and unseasoned, he stands a chance of delivering Florida, which they gotta have.

On the other hand the Ryan plan may already have lost Florida because, as much as the oldsters don’t want anyone screwing with their Medicare, they also don’t want anyone screwing with their kids and grandkids Medicare.

My 2c, and worth what you paid.

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2008 or 2010 results?

Repubs flipped Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Illinois that all voted for Obama in '08 and then big Repub in 2010. Not so sure you can draw a lot of comparisons to 2008 at this point as Obama is now an unpopular incumbent with 40% approval rating and the economy is very anemic. A lot can change in a year anyway, just like it took only 2 years to see some swing states that went big for Obama that changed to big Repub two years later. It's going to be a battle.

Rubio is a rising star in the Repub party but needs some quality experience and he'd be wasted as a VP. Repubs bomb out in 2012 and he'd be an early name for 2016 too.

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All the Dems Need To Do Is Tie

the Repub presidential candidate to the nuttier ideas of the Tea Party tighter than Dukakis to Willie Horton and Kerry to the Bunny Suit! The independents will not follow crazy! Perry will win the nomination and Texas but lose Cal and NY, or course. Perry takes the south, Tejas, Arizona, but little else because the northern libs will be afraid of the second coming of Jesus! Perry scares the Cathos! Perry is more Bush than Bush, but without the family connections and experience owning a baseball team!

How's that kill the Fed thing going for Ron Paul OOFU!

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Agree whole heartedly

Yes you dems tie the Repub to the teaparty. Please do.

btw- Kill the Fed sounds great. Past due actually.

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OOFU, But Its All Talk

you see! Ron Paul is now in charge of the committee that oversees the Fed, but nothing has happened! You are being played like a cheap fiddle! I bet you have closets full of stuff bought during Blue-Light specials at Kmart! The brains behind the Teas have read Pavlov--you haven't!

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More of a Lee Wright kind of guy ninj

Ron Paul talks a pretty good game but he doesn't follow through.

He came out against earmarks only after he voted for them kind of thing.

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OOU: Tea Party

Right now, the TP has worse poll numbers than Obama and have been showing a significant downtrend. TP probably will be helped by the entry of Perry and the shift off of Bachmann, but the lack of a cohesive message ,especially the hijacking by the more fundie of social conservatives of their agenda is hurting them now.

If the TP followed to the letter the platform of the largest TP group the Tea Party Patriots, I think they'd have more appeal and success. Right now it's all economy, jobs, and the proper role of the federal govt. Busting down the lines of separation of church/state and howling about gay marriage or abortion may appeal to the usual Repub voter, but it's not going to win the independents that will decide 2012.

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I know Nuk

but time will tell if the TP comes out on top. It is a viable alternative to the status quo in DC.

Only Sarah Palin has had worse press then them. However there is over a year and we should see who is right shortly the Tax and Spend Democrats, the get along RINOs or the let's get Government under control Teaparty.

Besides I don't go to the NYT for my unbiased polling data.

You have to remember Gallup had the Teaparty at 26% in October 2010 and look what happened in November.

That same Poll is at 25% a year out. So what has changed nothing except the TP candidates held to their principles and did their job.

I think 2012 will see another change. Now there's hope for ya.

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The "Get government under control" Tea Party, Observer?

That really took some nerve to write considering the Tea Party rally chants of "Shut it down! Shut it down!" That's how you get something under control? By killing it? Well, The Tea Party will certainly get their presidential campaign "under control"
LOL. Sometimes I stop and read what you write. What disappoints me is when you go to your alternate universe and ignore facts which we can sink our teeth into.

First, you like polls which tell you what you want to hear. When polls don't go your way it's "polls shmolls! Who believes those?"

If you are going to cite polls, then don't tell half of the story, Observer. Iowa likes the IRS Lawyer Michele Bachmann. She, like it or don't, is a republican member of congress.

WHAT GROUP OF POLITICIANS POLL EVEN LOWER THAN PRESIDENT OBAMA?

You figure out the answer, Observer? Congressional Republicans. Bachmann can't pretend she ain't one, as you must be doing to embrace The Gallop poll.

Let's stick with polling for uno momento.

Bachmann wanted us to leave our debt ceiling be and force a govrnment default. How did her idea poll, Observer? Hi 20% supported that. Low 70% thought that was a bad idea.

How is polling on praying people straight? Heck, how is the polling on IRS lawyers running for President as "conservatives?" DUDE!

Now, for your second deficiency of argument. How has your leading candidate "walked the walk?" As if supporting an IRS lawyer (from 1988 to 1993) who has profited on farm subsidies, has a $417,000 Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac backed Mortgage, and who's husband has profited from medicare isn't hard enough, she IS the establishment. She has been in the House 5 years and has not one piece of successful legislation. Not one.

So here's what you have: You have an establishment Republican who signed a bill which would cut medicare benefits; a member who has financially benefited from Medicare; a member who, as Pawlenty pointed out, has ZERO legislative successes in her 5 years on the job; a job paid by taxpayers with medical care paid for by taxpayers.

She even asked 6 different times for FEDERAL STIMULUS CASH while saying government doesn't create jobs and "The stimulus failed." Problem for her is, in her letters begging for stimulus cash, she talked about the JOBS WHICH WOULD BE CREATED IN MINNESOTA.

Observer, you guys have a serious problem. You can hide under the blanket and pretend the Bachmann boogie man(er... woman) isn't out there, but she is; and girl got skeletons that could pass for dinosaur fossils.

I won't even get into governor sessesion televangelist Rev. Perry. Let's just say, they EARN the press they get mate.

Since Bachmann says she became an IRS lawyer because her husband told her to, The Tea Party should just cut out the middle man and support him for president, seeing as he ultimately calls the shots. Which leads me to Hillary Clinton's true roll. She doesn't need to help democratic candidates. Bachmann needs to hire her to learn how one can be a woman and at the same time make HER OWN DECISIONS. Michele could use a pep talk in that department.

Cheers

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Again my little caustic tax and spend friend

I simply point out Gallup had the Teaparty favored at 26% in OCTOBER 2010.
What happened in November?
Today Gallup has it at 25% a 1% drop after a viscous media butt ripping attack against it.

So who is wishing upon a star there kevin?

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Observer, you are proud of a 25% approval rating friend?

That sums it up, mate.

If I'm caustic, do you, in comparison, consider yourself benign?

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I am anything BUT benign Kevin

anything but.

Just showing you the difference in polls and reality there kevin.

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Somebody Tell Me How Obama

is going to lose 96 electoral votes in 2012! In 2008, its was Obama 365 and McCain 173! You think the Dems are going to lose FLA? Not with the kill SS and run the Hispanics out of the country Teaparty folks stomping around! C'mon vote watchers, give the Ninja a realistic scenario for Obama giving up 96 electoral votes! Palin dragged down McCain in 08 and the Teacrazies will do the same to the Repub candidate again in 2012!

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Sure Ninja, happy to help out

Indiana, Virginia, NC, Ohio, MI, MN (this one is iffy)and PA count for over 100 electoral votes. They all voted for Prezbo (or against McCain)in 2008 and haven't seen much hope and change and huge unemployment. Unemployment will trump union loyalty, methinks.

And then when Rick Perry or Mitt Romney (it really doesn't matter which) picks Mark Rubio as VP - Florida's 27 will officially make it a landslide. Rubio may get a couple of those Tex Mex states to go Republican as well.
Or Nicky Haley or Bobby Jindal would work as well. Really need a shade of minority on the ticket to balance the older white guy.

Now this scenario doesn't work if Bachman or Palin is anywhere on the Republican ticket - although either would get Minnesota's 10 votes at a huge cost elsewhere. Let's be sure we don't do something stupid like that.

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RVM

I can see NC and perhaps 2 out of 4 of Indiana, Ohio, MI, and PA going Repub, but not all four. Virginia stays Dem. You really think the Dems will like the Repubs flip FLA? No way--they will boot Biden to keep it if it comes down to that. Plus, they will scare all the blue hairs with Teaparty talk of killing SS and medicare. New hips for all! Perry will get the nomination and alienate some of those northern cathos with his new apostle age talk. The repubs will not let Bachman or Palin anywhere near the VP slot this time around.

Braves Take On the Giants Again Tonight. Make it two in a row!

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Boot Biden: For Florida? How's dat?

Don't understand how booting Biden gets FL. Who would replace him?

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RVM, Boot Biden

for some Dem that is loved in FLA! I don't know who that would be. Do you? Maybe Debbie Wasserman Schultz! I'm not much into FLA politics--more concerned about the Braves and Falcons at this point!

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World Series, Super Bowl and Wasserman-Schultz

I think the Braves and Falcons will be champions before Debbie Wasserman-Schultz is recruited for VP to replace Biden. I don't think there are any Dems in FL that can help Obama. Wasserman-Schltz is in a district made up of displaced New Yorkers and she and her voters are not typical of the state. I really see Perry or Romney taking Florida. I know the "you are going to lose Medicare" BS will dominate, but the super duper 12 on the committee will have had plenty of honest publicity about SS and Medicare changes long before Nov. 2012 and the Dems PR will not carry the day.

Best guess is a deductable or higher premiums for Medicare; higher earnings cap along with higher retirement age for SS - all phased in very gradually over the next 15 years with absolutely no effect on those currently over age 55. That then becomes a great big non-event in the minds of retired voters. And Florida then goes Republican. Arizona too. Betcha a six-pack.

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RVM: I only mentioned DWS

because I saw you had a thing for her on the Steve Brown photo op pic! Even if the Super 12 comes up with a plan, which I don't think they will--the Dems would prefer a reset of the Bush-era tax cuts, especially since the S&P downgrade did not cause the world to collapse--the Dems can say that the 'Repubs will not stop until SS is dead, and so are you!' However, if the Dems do lose FLA, Obama is out to pasture! FLA is the key! Maybe another repeat of hanging chads!

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Wasserman-Shultz. That is one hot looking chick

until she opens her mouth and ruins it all. Just like Bachman and Palin.

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Ninja & Virginia

VA has a Rep Gov and 2 very conservative Dem Senators--why would you think they'll go Dem in 2012?

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AGH: Because

the Teas hate government workers, of which VA has lots of! The Teas want to fire them all! Also, Mike Vick can boost turnout in the Newport News area for Obama! Even if VA goes Rebpub, I still don't see a pickup of 97 electoral votes!

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Bowser, based on the words

Bowser, based on the words and deeds of the GOP over the past dozen years, I think Bachmann and Perry are more representative of the GOP today, than Romney is.

I'm looking forward to the next GOP debate. It should be fun.

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Gort

Don Imus said Perry was like a false Jimmy Swaggart!

Also, that the more attractive a woman candidate is the dumber she is, and that Palin and Bachmann were extremely attractive!

He likes Romney because he is ahead.

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Round, whatever Perry is or isn’t

will be put on display during the primary season. I’ve heard he promised his financial supporters to stay away from the wacky-speak stuff but I don’t think he can help himself.

Wacky-speak is now the official language of the GOP.

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Wacky Speak?

Never heard of it!

But I can guess, for example by Perry:

Let us pray for ten minutes, first. Thank you brothers for that. God will solve all of these problems--he created them AND HE CAN SOLVE THEM!

Now, we need to talk Texas awhile. I runned one of the bigger states in the world--even though the Texas parliament has all the power they were afeardof me.
In my 24 years as Governor, we hung 189 bad people---maybe we needled them--I don't remember (applause).

Also, everbody come a runnin to Texas for some of those minimum wage jobs we have --that is for them what report there wages---which is a few only.

We have a higher unemployed ennyway, 8.5%, than when I started but that is Obama's fault for the recession---not mine. Also, most of the job happenings in Texas wuz government employees to tak care oif all them Mexicans who came here for the $7 an stuff, you know. Heck our unemploy wood be 15-20% wifout them fellers and there kids.

Some folks---not here--- are a sayin that I am just anothe Bush, that I look lak him and talk and act lak him (Bushisms to Perryisms, you kinow, but that ain't so. He went to Yale, I went to Texas Cow College and majored in manure spreading. George wuz skull and bones dude!

Folks, I want to say that family values is my thang. I also am again government treatin people fer there ailments. And, I think Socialism Security is a farce. All them old folks a eatin offn the government is a breakin the bank.

I will pay off the US debt in two years when elected. Not by taxin them what got the money, but by taxin them wif sales tax where thar air more ufem! The 30% sales tax will do it quick.

Texas wil bild a big fence wif a moat on all borders borderin Texas but not in TexAS. wE NEED THEM LABORERS BAD. George has sum at his house, me too. We expect the feds to foot the bill.

Ever regulation that I think hinders corporate crooks from succeeding in growin, I will void quick. Banks wil be left alone to prosper.

Now, let us pray agin fer the end of the talk: If you want me to do enny of this stuff fer y6ou---let me know plainly. Otherwise I'll just wait on you. A men and thanks folks.

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Round, Perry lasted one day

Round, Perry lasted one day and he already got Karl Rove sucker punching him on Faux News. 8 - )

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Rove knows Perry is a fake and has a lot of skeletons that are not TEA party!

If they don't run Huntsman they can kiss it goodbye forever.

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Rondy,

Only a Teaparty ring kisser can get the nomination, and that dooms them in the general election! Independents won't vote for crazy! I thought Perry was it, but since he accused Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke of borderline treason, I take that back! The Bushes will not support crazy--drunk yes, but not crazy, and the Bushes still hold the ropes!

Falcons need to take down the Eagles in Game 1! Can they do it?

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Gort, True Conservatives

will never support magic underwear! Where are the Repubs going to pick up 97 electoral votes? What Repub candidate can do that!

What other big state is solidly in the Repub corner?

Texas is now a cornerstone of the electoral college for Republicans.
Ed Gillespie

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Ninja Guy, conservatives

Ninja Guy, conservatives won’t support magic underwear? Please, someone explain Christine O'Donnell to me! 8 - )

If I knew where the GOP could pick up 97 electoral votes, I certainly wouldn’t tell them. The only help I’m considering giving them is voting in the GOP primary. Whoever OofU likes I’m voting against just so I can cancel out his vote. 8 - )

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Gort, I Said Magic Underwear

not foot-long corn dogs!

Braves Win Again! Wildcard looks to be a lock! Young pitchers doing it up!

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Ninja Guy, my bad! Sorry

Ninja Guy, my bad! Sorry about that. 8 - )

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Gallup Daily: Obama Job Approval

OBAMA’S JOB APPROVAL RATING SINKS BELOW 40% FOR FIRST TIME

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

You guys might want to see if Hillary will run. Just saying.

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Polls and job approval

In a series of polls taken of the carbonunits on The Citizen blog, Obama has stayed steady at a 75% approval rating whilst the Repuplican tea party bandits have also maintained their rock steady .05% approval rating. Not much news here, so let's go to Mr. Munford for a report on an earthworm diet, meaning what earthworms eat, not eating earthworms doncha know?

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Hey Carb dusted off that Hillary for President button yet

Newt went after the Teaparty next day his campaign shuts down.
Pawlenty goes after Bachman and viola he's gone too.

Come get some folks we got plenty.

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No Hillary buttons yet

I hope the Republicans can keep it interesting for a while yet. There are enough pretty people involved to be an American Idol show.

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Carb, how is Bachmann going

Carb, how is Bachmann going to keep them down on the farm now that they've seen Perry?

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Gort: hahahaha

Pretty clever there, thumbs up!

Perry probably will gut Bachmann's support unless he really stumbles out of the block. He's a pretty dynamic speaker and knows how to dish-out the red meat to conservatives, so I think he's going to be the answer for a lot of social conservatives. It's just a matter of whether he'll lock himself in so far to the right that the independents will get very concerned and head back towards Obama.

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NUK_1, oh, yeah, Perry’s a

NUK_1, oh, yeah, Perry’s a smooth talker on the stump all right but when you drill down and do a little fact checking you find out its all “Perry-Air!”

8 - )

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LOL...Perrier/Perry Air

Did you used to be employed in ad campaigns or political speeches? Hee-Haw? Will you be here all week? RIMSHOT!

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NUK_1, I'm just having a little fun

during the primary season. Blogging, writing letters, and voting is about as close to politics as I want to get.

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Yep Perry is all air yuk, yuk, yuk

"SAN ANTONIO -- No state is thriving in the wake of the Great Recession. But compared to the rest of the country, Texas is experiencing something like an economic boom.

Pick your category, and Texas dominates. Three of the top five most resilient major metro areas for employment are in Texas: McAllen at one, Austin at three, and San Antonio at five. El Paso and Houston make the top 15. How about state debt? Texas ranks fourth in the country. Texas cities claimed four of the top five spots in the Milken Institute's Best Performing Cities Index, four of the top ten of Forbes' "Cities Where the Recession is Easing," and another four spots in last year's Top Ten in Homebuilding (admittedly, a bit like winning a Warmest Ice Cube contest). " The Atlantic

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OofU, you are correct, those

OofU, you are correct, those Texas cities are doing great! They certainly benefited from the stimulus bill didn’t they?

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No they benefited from a Governor that is business savy

and knows how to help businesses create jobs by saying out if the way.

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Observerofu: About that Texas debt. They ARE fourth.....

"How about state debt? Texas ranks fourth in the country. "

Observer, they are the fourth WORST state in indebtedness. I wouldn't use tha point in future debates friend. On a brighter note, both democrats in Wisconsin won their elections last night. Unlike two of the repubs last week. I believe the writing is on the wall for 2012.

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Leaping logic there, Observer?

Any politcian oppose the Tea Party and POOF! They're gone? New York's 23d? Harry Reid's Nevada? I'm not a witch? Two fewer Republicans working in Wisconsin's Congress as of last Tuesday? Really Observer? How does Obama poll against Bachmann (so to speak ;-) )

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Not unreasonable Kevink

It is not unreasonable that the Tea party's luster is fading after people saw how willing they were to damage the country by taking America's credit rating hostage. Finally, S&P came out and said bluntly that it was the extremist politicians willing to let America default that was their major concern.

Bachmann will probably take Iowa then be out after NH. Perry vs. Romney will be fun though. Mitt will probably take New Hampshire and Perry will probably take South Carolina leading up to a media war in Florida where they deliver the state to the Ds by trashing Medicare and Social Security. I see today that Perry is already changing his position on Social Security and spinning his past.

I think Palin might get in. She can't let Bachmann steal her shtick. Can her narcissism stand being made to play second fiddle. I don't think so. She reminds me of that old Jimi Hendricks song: "I used to live in a room full of mirrors and all I could see was me." Maybe she won't get in. Maybe she'll just show up in NH a couple of days before the election, then show up in SC, then show up in Florida, kinda follow the spotlight around the country like she's been doing.

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Howdy, Locke.

It will be interesting seeing the rush to the center after Perry and Bachmann try to out right eachother. But just like a destructive wave, the damage will already be done as the ebb brings their waters back off of the damaged coast. Perry wants to come to Washington to get the government out of everyone's lives.....during a recession. I don't think he has really thought that to a logical conclusion. Michele thinks that we should have let the government default on some of its obligations to prove a point. I am truly amazed at what the Republican party has become in word, but never demonstrated in deed. They still love to spend, they just don't want anything paid for. I'd like to ask Bachman where the funds for her congressional paycheck come from. I don't think she can admit it is from TAXPAYER money.

The funniest thing about Bachmann, though, is how she had to run from her gay bashing past this weekend. On Meet The Press she said she has not judged gays and lesbians.

"I'm nobody's judge. I'm running for the Presidency of The united States."

Uh oh! They've got your quotes Congresswoman:

November, 2004 at The National Education Conference, Bachmann said,
"If you're involved in the gay and lesbian lifestyle, it's bondage. it is personal bondage, personal despair and personal enslavement."

Oh snap!

But she wasn't done. She called homosexuality a "sexual identity disorder" and "sexual dysfunction."

Kind of sounds like judgement calls to me. I'm not sayin.... I'm just sayin.... No what I'm sayin?

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The states of the Republicans
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Kind of sounds like judgement calls to me. I'm not sayin.... I'm just sayin.... No what I'm sayin?

Oh yeah my friend, I do no and know. In addition to their constant state of denial, they have added the political quantum state: their spin is determined by when they are observed.

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Carbon. Coffee tomorrow morning?

Here thru wednesday. Holla!

Do these guys not know they are being recorded?

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I'll miss 'em Carbonunit52

Tim Pawlenty gave us the best announcement video ever. I he could have backed it up, he would have gone far. He blew it when he caved to Romney on the Obamneycare thing in NH.

The video was excellent though:

Tim Pawlenty - Courage to Stand

Newt and Herman are out. No money. Newt never wanted it anyway. I think Cain has been surprised. All of a sudden his talk radio style ran up against a scenario where his musings were analyzed and at the same time he couldn't hang up on the caller. A vicious trap for him.

Santorum is mercifully relieved of his Google problem since no one will ever Google him again.

Bachmann has raised expectations now after winning the straw poll. Those things work both ways. If Perry beats her in Iowa she's out. The story will be that voters swung to Perry and he'll have the big mo. Bachmann has practically no NH presence now and now she has a must win in Iowa which is going to keep her there. Perry has no NH organization either and Mitt's probably going to win there. So that makes the Bachmann/Perry showdown South Carolina to see which one takes on Mitt; assuming Bachmann survives Iowa.

The funny thing is that she paid $180,000 for 6000 tickets and got 4200 or so votes in the Ames poll. So she got about 80% of the votes she bought. Even so, a very good investment.

Perry is a amazing campaigner. He put Bachmann on notice yesterday when he opened his Iowa campaign in Waterloo, her hometown. On the other hand, he might not be up to the big time either. He won't go quietly one way or the other.

It is getting interesting.

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Well it depends

Gallup has it 35% Generic Republican to Obama's 45%

Rasmussen has it 47% Generic Republican to Obama's 45%.

Either one show Obama will likely be beaten in 2012.

Dust off them Hillary for Pres buttons it might be your only real hope.

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Observer. you made me truly laugh out loud :`D

Tell me, when will "generic republican" enter the race? Where is his or her home state? What does he or she do for a living?

That was a good one!

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Well that's the problem isn't it... they don't have a job

and they live in a Motel cause they lost their house.

So they feel our pain while Obama golfs and goes on 10 day vacations.

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Exactly ObserverofU! Quick man embrace to you. U have arrived.

They are out of work and almost out of their houses...... so, the rich unemployed Mitt Romney, the cuff link clad Perry, and the 200 dollar hair Michele Bachmann want their social programs cut. They want social security privatized. they want medicaid and medicare cut. They want a flat tax that will further tax the middle class. And all of this they want without one penny more being contributed to fix the problem from Exxon Mobile, Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, or the Koch brothers.

Now you are seeing why the Ryan plan got so many republicans in trouble with their constituents.

When Mitt Romney joked, to unemployed people, "I too am unemployed," He really thought He was showing empathy. Funny things these career politicians say.

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We already have your answer

you think we can spend as long as we can borrow......Your words kevin.

How does that work in you personal life there? Keep filling out those credit card offers kevin post it here when you file bankruptcy I am sure someone can give you the name of a good attorney.

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Observerofu

Obama didn't sink to below 40%. He 'saved or created' 39 points!

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Carbon Unit

At least Bachmann didn't sit in the pews of some nutjob-marxist church for 20-years taught by that whack job Jeremiah Wright and then claim that he never heard the hate speach spewed regularly from the pulpit.

Obama gave some speech today out in a cornfield. He sounds like such a complete idiot without the ol' teleprompter. Come to think of it, he sounds and looks like a complete numbskull that he is with with a teleprompter.

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Gwizzly bare: It is important, when calling someone an idiot...

to know that

1) "SPEACH" is not a word, but "SPEECH" is :-D. Teleprompter malfunction Grizz? LOL.

and B: Syntax also be important. So, instead of,

"...he sounds and looks like a complete numbskull that he is..."

You might go for,

"... he sounds and looks like THE complete numbskull that he is..."

I'm not usually a stickler for grammar, but if you are going to attack someone's intelligence, it's best not to sound like a three-toothed bafoon while doing it. The medicine called irony can be a bitter swallow.

On a lighter note, keep working the Rev. Wright angle. It worked well in 2008. I mean, how will nutty things Bachmann herself has said ever measure up to words one guy said who has a church President Obama attended. I mean, it's pretty clear which carries more weight. Right? Wright? Right?

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kevink -- irony

I see that you claim to not usually be a stickler for grammar, but I felt it should be pointed out that the word "bafoon", which you used in your post, is not actually a word. Perhaps you meant "buffoon".

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mcg

Maybe he meant "baboon", but then if he did that would be racist.

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mcg: Check your Urban dictionary, yo!

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bafoon

It be in there. I did, however, use very broken English which is quite available for correction ;-)

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kevink

Nice of you to chime in. My typing and grammar ain't so good, but then I'm not potus, so who the heck cares except for people with small minds like yourself, huh? I'm not so self-important like the rest of you yah-hoos to think that my spelling and grammar actually count here.

The fact of the matter is, Obama has roots in Wrights Marxist Black Liberation Theology church. It's probably where he learned neat catch phrases like "spread the wealth" that seem to be working so well for him now.

It really must be hurting you right now that people are seeing Obama for who he really is: Nothing but a big spending marxist, beholden to big labor and someone with no original ideas of his own.

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Grizz: I'm hurting?

Who is YOUR president, Grizz? Who is MY president? Same answer. And saying it don't hurt me none :-). So, it makes sense to you to criticize The President's intellect using broken english :-D? True Tea Party material, mate. Rev Wright! What a knee slapper. Retreaded candidates and attacks. Let's see how they werks fer yuh.

ps: Your girl Bachmann wished Elvis "Happy Anniversary" today. I don't think she knew which anniversary Elvis has every 16th of August :-O

http://www.elvispresleynews.com/ElvisDeath.html

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Finally Obama puts forth his plan

http://www.stevebridges.com/obamavideos-promo-july2010-lg.html

I thought he would just tell us he had and never do it. Boy was I wrong.