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Pea-Brained Obama tries to scare elderly -

Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on August 3rd if we haven't resolved this issue. Because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it,"

Yet just yesterday he said -
THE PRESIDENT: And this is part of the problem with a political process where folks are rewarded for saying irresponsible things to win elections or obtain short-term political gain, when we actually are in a position to try to do something hard we haven’t always laid the groundwork for. And I think that it’s going to take some work on his side, but, look, it’s also going to take some work on our side, in order to get this thing done.

Press Conference by the Pea-Brain Barry

What an incompetent idiot. You can't trust a word the idiot Obama says.

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Obama threatens to hold back SS payments to Seniors

So the president would prevent seniors from getting their Social Security checks rather than taking back that $2 million of our money the California Academy of Sciences is going to use to photograph ants in the Southwest Indian Ocean? Or cancelling funding for the Aqua City Water Park in Dunkirk, New York? Does Obama really think that spending a half-million dollars on studying atmospheric circulation on Neptune is more important than seniors getting their Social Security checks? Why wouldn’t our president consider reducing farm and ethanol subsidy payments rather than withholding Social Security checks? What about those Northwestern University students who are spending nearly a million bucks to create a machine that makes up jokes? Maybe that machine would consider Obama’s comments to be a joke … most of America certainly does. Perhaps it’s time for Obama to consider acting presidential as we deal with our debt crisis instead of acting like a partisan hack.

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Soc Sec Payment

I don't know who gets paid on the first Wed of each month--I do know that my direct deposit comes either the 4th Wed or the last Wed, depending on how many Weds there are in that month.

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GYM

You take money from those Socialists?

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Turbanhead & "taking"

I "take" nothing-I contributed to the system for more than 21 yrs and I now receive a pittance of payback, especially after the "Govt Offset".

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Yeah, it's the same for Interstate Highways, Dams, Bridges, Armies. disasterts, 911's, wars, moon shots, technology, bank control, unemployment pay, the poor, help for veterans, etc.,---all pay back and not from Socialists!

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A real question for your answer:

Many are saying about the budget debate now in Washington, that the republicans should not increase the debt limit at all no matter what the democrats cut out.
In other words no more money can be spent except what comes into the treasury every day and no bonds can be issued to increase the debt.

Now only 60% of our needs currently come in to the treasury and we simply pay interest on borrowed money for the rest needed.

If the debt limit is not increased, what 40% of the bills and services do you think that we should not pay, and also is there enough expenses in the budget which can be removed to make up the difference right now---not over so many years?

If not, what is the answer?

Forget that we may have a stock crash, bank failures, credit ratings lowered, jobs lost, and a depression, just what is the answer even if we allow all that to happen?

I say we borrow some more money right now, pay all of our monthly bills, and be more careful who we elect in the future to manage all that for us!

Don't destroy the medical plans, or the medicare system, or Social Security, or the defense department in the process.

Then, we build our infrastructure over to promote jobs.

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The budget should be approved only on a monthly basis until

Obama puts his plan on the table for all to see and then approve what is acceptable.

He is too big of an arrogant fool to be trusted with the blank check he is demanding.

This why we have more than one party in Washington and checks and balances in place.

The congress is doing their job keeping this inept lunatic in check.

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I shared earlier what was on the table. McConnell has just told the GOP to accept the raising of the debt limit - or it will be the end of the GOP and insure the re-election of Obama. Interesting drama.

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DM, when did McConnell say that?

I can't find it.

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Read today's AJC.

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The GOP has always acknowledged that the debt ceiling will have to be raised in order to pay our bills but they are just asking for a well defined budget plan from Obama that includes specific cuts in spending.

Obama doesn't want to show any plan or discuss where and when cuts will be made.

The whole issue is, how do we gain control of over spending?

Obama has no plan to do that.

It does not concern him in the least or he would offer some type of workable plan.

You cannot give a man (or woman) like that free reign over our money.

The GOP is just doing their job and the president is not.

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Respectfully, you've got to scan all media to get a hint of the truth. I shared what was reportedly on the table in these discussions (Obama's offer). $3.00 cut in entitlements for $1.00 of the raising of debt ceiling. The Republicans reportedly turned it down. Now this could have all changed. Waiting for the update at 11:00 a.m. Fiscal conservatives pay their bills. Politicians scheme for the next election . Statesmen compromise to benefit country.

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DM yes but now

The GOP does not trust that he will make the cuts as needed right away because he refuses to put it in writing that he will.

If the cuts he mentioned are way down the road in years to come it will not help reduce the deficit at all.

The EPA could be gutted immediately, very few jobs would be cut and a collective sign of economic relief would be heard and felt nationwide.

Many government offices could be put in moth balls until this problem is under control.

Obama said he ordered that all unnecessary government regulations be eliminated.

Has anything like that happened and will it save money?

When the local entities present a budget it has specifics.

The GOP says Obama hasn't put forth this effort at all.

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Announced that Republicans are working on a plan to be presented to the President. (What have they been doing all year!) The only 'plan' that the public has seen in writing is the Ryan Plan - which was shouted down in Republican Townhalls. Let's see what happens tomorrow. Lack of trust and game-playing from both sides has the country in a hostage situation. Postering seems to be the order of the day. Waiting for the Republican plan. Reducing military spending, etc., etc., etc. seems to be reductions to me - but what do I know. Waiting to see if there are statesmen in D.C.

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What DM

have we seen in writing from the Democrats?

Just asking. Just give me a link so I can read about the plan from the Democrats.

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The only 'plan' that the public has seen in writing is the Ryan Plan - which was shouted down in Republican Townhalls.

There's that comprehension thing again.

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I read this DM

I was simply asking you a question. Do you have a link to the Democratic plan? Just would like to see what they are specifically proposing in the way of taxes and specific cuts to spending. I would also like to know when those cuts will kick in. We already know when the Obamacare taxes will kick in, right after the next election. Do you know when their next increases will kick in and what they are under the written Democratic proposal?

Just the link please to the proposal. I have seen the Ryan Plan.

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Dm your response is completely inappropriate.

The responsibility is the President's to provide a budget plan.

Anything from the GOP is simple a suggestion at this point.

The ball has remained in the President's court all along and he refuses to serve it.

It's like he's saying "Okay guys, approve my budget needs." and they are just saying "Sure, show us your needs and we will decide on them.".

Obama wants no scrutiny of his spending and he has no right to expect that.

The Republicans are doing their job and very well.

Obama is playing games and posturing.

It's a negotiation process and the President has continually side stepped the first move which is to present a detailed budget plan for negotiation.

His only apparent plan is to shorten the time for negotiation which is the only thing he has done very well.

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BHH and others

Maybe comprehension was the wrong terminology. Lack of knowledge may be more appropriate . The President rightly told the Congressional leaders to do their job!

Expressed Power or Enumerated Powers
Expressed power is that delegated power of the National Government that is spelled out in the constitution; also called the "enumerated powers." The Constitution makes the legislative branch extremely powerful with its expressed powers.

The Constitution – Expressed Powers
According to Article I, the Congress shall have the power to:

Originate all bills for raising revenues
Collect taxes, duties, and excise, pay debts, and provide for the common defense
Borrow money on the credit of the United States
Regulate commerce with foreign nations and among states
Establish a uniform rule of naturalization
Establish a uniform rule of bankruptcy
Coin money
Promote the progress of science and useful arts
Establish tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court
Declare war (Congress adjusted this power with the War Powers act)
Raise and maintain the military
Make all laws necessary for the execution of our constitution and government
Override Presidential veto with two-thirds majority vote.
(Additional expressed powers)

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It's a negotiation process and the President has continually side stepped the first move which is to present a detailed budget plan for negotiation

Now if he used the 'bully' pullpit - as other presidents have done , the Republican leadership would still cry foul. The Democrats and Republicans have a Constitutional responsibility to write a plan that will pass in Congress. The president rightly told them to Do Your Job! We all need to read the Constitution again.

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More for BHH and others

This president went to the American people and told all of us what he would and would not accept in a proposal. The American people are waiting for ALL Congress members to do their job - it's their constitutional responsibility.

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Dm, please don't get imotional but

this arrogant fool you have for a president has not got the power he wishes he had.

That's why there is a Congress to keep him in check.

They are doing the job they were sent there for.

Obama has no power to tell them to do their job in the first place.

Their boss is the a same as his.

Obama is the one not doing his job.

Read and quote the constitution all you like, they are equal in power for a reason and it is for that reason the congress is standing up to him.

The congress is there to approve or disapprove his recommendations.

He only has veto power over their orders.

He doesn't tell them what to do and when to do it.

He's just a pig with lipstick.

He may as well take another vacation until he decides to do his job.

It's not up to him to accept a proposal.

It's up to him to MAKE a proposal.

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Too nice a day to get emotional. The president has made it quite clear what he would veto and what he would accept. All media, regardless of possible political slant, has reported this. Let's see what Monday brings. The checks and balances in the Constitution protects us from a dictatorship. However, you have a right to your interpretation of the power of the President. Enjoy your Sunday, and keep posting.

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DM - Sorry

Did I miss that written Democratic proposal, just the link so I can read it.

Thanks

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DM, I believe you're mistaken

As per several news sources President Obama has been quoted as saying, "everything is on the table".

Your statement of. "This president went to the American people and told all of us what he would and would not accept in a proposal". One of you is not telling the truth.

Please help me identify which one it is?

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Don't hold your breath

Dmom is long on rhetoric but short on facts and forget about her answering questions won't happen. Like most Libs they talk a good game. I don't seem to recall that press event where the President laid his plan on the table. I seem to recall however the President blaming the Republicans for not giving him what he wants.

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Please hold your breath - that requires one to close their mouth!

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Really???

What happens when I type?

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What happens when you type? Your brain goes into reverse. When you have no cogent retort, you rely on personal attack. Please excuse me for getting on your level. God's not through with me yet.

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Dmom when have I attacked anyone?

Disagreeing with your thoughts or stating fact is not an attack.

Commenting on ones lack of education or level of education or the fact that one must not have graduated high school I think would qualify, but you wouldn't do that would you?

Pot and Kettle again DM.

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Education your sore spot? Go back to school! The acquisition of degrees just let's one know how much more there is to learn! Learning is a lifetime activity - the more you know, the more you realize there's so much more to learn! Have a great day!

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Well there you go again

keep up those implied insults.

Like I told you before I would place my academic pedigree against a School teacher from California any day.

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Really DM?

I think I said this in another post on another subject. But as I see it if Obama does not send out the SS checks as he has threatened he can pack his bags. All his Rep opponent will have to say is look how much money he gave the banking and auto industries but he stiffs you. And all the while he is still collecting his check. Regardless of your perception of this statement the majority of Americans will take this statement at face value and Obama won't be able to be elected dog catcher any more.

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G37 Dude (just accept the upgrade, ok?) question for you..

The Tea Party wing of the GOP says we are broke and can't afford to raise the debt ceiling. But then I see Michele Bachmann among others saying there is "plenty of money" to pay our obligations.

Let's ignore the fact that major budget legislation has NEVER BEFORE been tied to raising the debt limit. Just tell me. How is there "plenty of money" in Michele Bachmann's words, yet we are broke and can't afford to raise the debt ceiling like each and every president in our lifetime has done?

You think Obama is going to be blamed for the Tea Party mixed message? We are so broke that we have to protect major oil companies and jet owners from any increased financial responsibility? While we tighten the belts of fixed income seniors, medicaid, and medicare recipients?

Do you guys not remember how the special elections have gone since Paul Ryan's budget was voted on? New York's 23d district that went democrat for the first time since the early 1900s? The recall elections in Wisconsin? G37, it's already happening to you guys. You don't remember Congressman Allen of Florida and other GOP legislators who voted for the Ryan plan getting yelled at during town halls over their medicare votes? The polling has been very consistent. The recent elections have too. There is no way to defend BP, Exxon, and the Hilton family while squeezing the middle class, and then say you guys re speaking for "the people." Reality, currently anyway, is not supporting your argument.

Cheers

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Be careful kevin...

there are some that believe airline workers, particularly those that work in the "wheel house", make way too much money and should be taxed much more. ;-)

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Kevink, Can I borrow some money?

Make me a loan and I'll gladly make the upgrade!! LOL You see I have the money to live at today's standards, although it can be a little tight at times. If I'm to raise my debt ceiling, (i.e. upgrade to a 37 or implement universal health care ET AL), I'll have to borrow money that I really can't afford to pay back. Now as far as waste goes, be it mine or the governments, there definitely is room for improvement. (More so with the government). I can easily add to your list. We give foreign aid to something like 150 countries. I'd start by reviewing that list and stopping or reducing that for many of these countries. We give foreign aid to China. They then loan that money back to us for us to repay with interest. We give money to countries all around the world for them to rebuild religious temples, churches, and mosques. We give money to banks and car companies so that they don't go broke. This needs to stop. I know that even if we did stop these things it would not be enough. But it's a start. You have to eat an elephant one bite at a time. Instead when push comes to shove who do we look to first to take from? Our own elderly. These people have already paid in more than they will ever get back. (Please tell me that my check is in the mail, I really want a new car)

Oh wait you work for the airlines? Now I really want that check!!!! You can afford it!!!!

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Dude and Cyclist. We know better :-D

My two cars have a total of 290,000 miles between them. I'm holding out for a four year old G35.

I'm not arguing that there is not govt waste. My point is the debt ceiling adjustment and the major facets of the budget should be handled separately, as they were under Reagan, Bush 1, and Bush II; all of whom were deficit-spending Presidents. We default, and everyone suffers at the Tea Party's bidding.

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I hear you Kevin. My disgust is with a President that wants to hold SS hostage to get his budget passed while all of this waste is going on. And I'm not even old enough to get SS yet.

(BTW, my car is 6 years old, see why I need a new one?)LOL

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G35 dude. Who is holding who hostage?

The President wants the debt ceiling raised; as it has been raised for our nation's budget in years past. CONGRESS has the power of the purse. The only members of Congress encouraging us to artificially cap our capacity to deficit spend are House Republicans. If they do not give our President the ability to deficit spend, it is in THEIR hands. Period. We have all heard the Tea Party rally cry of "Shut it down! Shut it Down!"

Go ahead and try to blame that on the man saying we need to increase the debt ceiling so as to meet our obligations. I feel, however, that your "disgust" is curiously misplaced.

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You continue to want to drag me into a debt ceiling debate when all I've said is that if SS checks don't go out it will be political suicide for Obama. And that I'm disgusted that his first target to rob are SS recipients when we have a ton of waste that should be addressed first. It also irks me that he AND Congress (Reps and Dems) will be paid no matter what. I guess you're OK with this?

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G35 Dude, kevinK is all smoke and no mirrors

Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner had previously said that once the government's borrowing authority is exhausted in August, it would be required to cut roughly 40 percent of all its payments.

As of Aug. 3, the government would have only the daily cash flow from payments of taxes and fees and would be faced with deciding which bills to pay. Among the payments scheduled to be made on that day are $23 billion to more than 50 million Social Security recipients.

BTW Kevink, thats where the money would come from.

Lets git real about this for a moment. If President Obama stoped paying SS and the military who do you think thay would thank first?

Just let kevin squirm.

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G35 dude and Bad PTC: This is quite fundamental

The Tea Party caucus is saying we are out of money and refusing to raise the debt limit as was done for Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II.

G35 Dude, do you think The President will just wave a magic wand, "trim waste," and overnight free up funds to meet our obligations? How exactly will that work?

BadPTC, I'm not squirming because this has nothing to do with me. House Republicans are not protecting our financial reputation and they are hoping they can shirk responsibility for our government not having funds available to pay our debts to our citizens and our creditors.

It's an easy trail of custody, BadPTC. Who is the group yelling "Shut it Down" at ralleys?

Who, in Washington, is cutting funds off from our government?

Who is responsible for the aftermath of default?

Easy answers all of these have BadPTC.

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kevin the fundamental part is the part you are missing

WE ARE OUT OF MONEY.

When you borrow more then you take in then fundamentally you are out of money.

You use the justification that the debt ceiling was raised in the past then we should just keep doing it. That's the old "if your friends jump off the bridge do you follow" argument.

Simple question to you. One in which Gort, Lion, Dmom and Bacon never would answer let's see if you will.

Can we keep spending in perpetuity?

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Observer, perhaps your question was avoided because it's empty

Just a retorical question which really does not offer much to debate.

We can spend as long as we have credit; as long as our sterling reputation allows us to borrow, we can spend. That's why we have NEVER defaulted on our debts.

Since you say we are out of money, why don't you explain to Badptc and G35dude and jokeawfi that SS payments, veteran's benefits, and soldiers' pay can't be secured because, as you say, there is no money.

They seem to expect the POTUS to perform magic and make payments when ther is, in your own words, no money.

Hopefully the ideologues will listen to you.

As for your "Marxist" TAG line, you have something in common with Anders Behring Breivik. Here's a quote from his manifesto:

"The creation of similar conservtive organizations, even the creation of revolutionary conservative movements such as the Knights Templar, is just another manifestation that real resistance to the EUSSR/US cultural Marxist/multiculturalist hegemony is about to materialize. The cultural Marxists are losing their momentum to our advantage."

Go ahead and try to distance yourself Observer. I would if I were you. But the influence Tea Party rhetoric has had and is having is inescapable. Here is another DIRECT QUOTE from a mass murderer of children:

"In the U.S., the Tea PArty movement is one of the first physical, political manifestations which indicate that there is a great storm coming."

Observer, I believe the Tea Party members of the House of Representatives are behaving wrecklessly with our financial future and reputation. They are daily, engaging in irresponsible language and inciting anger and violence which you will surely try to explain away.

The behavior of the Tea Party is wrecklace. "Shut it down! Shut it down!" Do they not chant this about our government, Observer? Don't they?

The coming financial impact to Americans and the global economy, as polls confirm, will be laid at the feet of Tea Party Republicans, and wrapped in their "Don't Tread on me" T-shirts.

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Kevink

Hey Weasel - you misspelled "rhetorical"

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You misspelled" I am a coward who is scared of my own shadow. Signed, Jokeawfi." Easy to do.

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We can spend as long as we have credit

Are you sure you're not my ex wife?

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kevin so let me get this straight as long as we can borrow

we can spend right?

How does that work when we don't have the money to pay it back. What happens when the bills come due?

You can try to obfuscate the issue with your little rant trying to associate me with some Marxist ideas, but we know who the real Marxist here is and it isn't me.

To believe that the rich doesn't deserve to keep the money they earned kevin is a good definition of Marxism, something you obviously espouse.

Didn't think you had the stones to answer my little question. You progressive types never do.

btw- also trying to compare me with a mass murderer just goes to show how bereft of logic your arguments really are. Glad to see you and Al Jazeera are so inline on your philosophy.

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observerforu.

The exact anwer I expected from you. Ironic that you used the word "obfuscate." What part of your question did I not answer?

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This question Kevin

Can we continue to spend in perpetuity?

It's a simple yes or no. Just curious Kevin. I don't know why you Progressive types can't answer this simple question. You guys have all the answers for everything else so just wondering.

btw-I would lose that "well they got to do it" argument times change kevin need to keep up.

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This question Kevin
Can we continue to spend in perpetuity?

I don't think anyone would answer 'yes'. A balanced budget includes 'revenue' and all Americans must contribute in this crisis situation. Under our current tax system BP made billions in profit! Why can't they share by closing the loopholes and corporate tax breaks?

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A balanced budget includes 'revenue' and all Americans must contribute in this crisis situation.

Correct - all Americans must contribute. It's time for the moocher class that pays absolutely no Federal Income Tax to pay their fair share to support the infrastructure of the US. End the EITC and make all working Americans pay Federal Income Tax.

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I agree! Let's get Americans back to work so that they have an income to tax!

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I was referring to the moocher class that works and is paid a salary, but yet pay no Federal income tax. You know, the moochers that rely on socialistic income redistribution principles favored by the Democrats.

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Keep posting Grizz

You sound like those crazies who will be recalled if this mess creates a lower credit rating for the US.

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Time to take your meds - You didn't address the issue in your response, but that's typical for a liberal democrat.

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Oh, I addressed it. You just don't like the response. We have two definitions of moochers. Paying a fair share of ones income is not redistribution. We have Russia, China, and Cuba as models of socialist/communist failures. Your attempt to follow the 'party' line is apparent and transparent. Keep posting - you don't represent the Republicans who put country before 'party'. There is a good, cogent debate going on- and both parties say they don't want to see the US default on their financial obligations. This isn't 'spending' - this is paying what we OWE. So far today, unless something happens soon, the credit agencies are ready to lower our rating - even if we lift the debt ceiling. Why? Because the people elected activists and protesters who do not know how to govern. Our elected leaders must be released from their 'pledges' and allowed to vote as their constituents direct. We'll see.

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Grizz & the REAL Problem

Real problem is that folks who WORK for a living are outnumbered by those who VOTE for a living!

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¥To believe that the rich doesn't deserve to keep the money they earned kevin is a good definition of Marxism, something you obviously espouse

How come I can't keep the money I earn?

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I don't know DM maybe you should ask

the Democrats or your accountant.

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Just a thought

Tea Party leads, House Speaker follows.
No compromise, US defaults
US defaults, middle class continues to suffer and disappear .
US middle class disappears, democracy as we know it is gone.

Come on people, show me the error in my thought, that will make my day!

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Ok here are your errors in logic
Davids mom wrote:

Tea Party leads, House Speaker follows.
No compromise,

The Teaparty as it currently exist is no different then any other special interest group. I find it interesting that only this group is singled out as being extreme while progressive special interest groups that want Government to take control of industry is not. The Teaparty is made up of people of all walks of life not Socialist, Marxist or Communist just Americans that want a return to the Constitution and FISCAL responsibility but thats too extreme for the progressives among us.

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US defaults
US defaults, middle class continues to suffer and disappear .
US middle class disappears, democracy as we know it is gone.

Well Dmom as usual your facts are a little lite. The US will not default no matter how many times you and your cohorts say it.
We take in over $200 Billion per month enough to pay the Interest, Entitlements and Social Security and still leave some left over.

How does the Middle Class disappear? How does "democracy" end? Can you be a little more dramatic?

One small fact here DMOM that you and yours overlook is the fact that the Government spends more then it takes in. Social Security now is in deficit spending 5 years earlier than projected. We have a spending problem.

Government MUST curtail spending so that future generations may have some security and not be saddled with this debt. It's our responsibility DM to leave a future for our grand-kids.

You would have us sell that future to China for some security today.

You got yours and to heck with our kids right DM?

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I sincerely hope you're right about the US not defaulting. Why the necessity of the drama? Fortunately the markets are agreeing with you - at least today a.m.. Politics above governance. Congress is dysfunctional - and right or wrong, the Tea Party and the Republicans are getting the blame. Nuff said. Governance means compromise. It appears that some are willing to put the current generation in jeopardy while stating their concern for future generations. Sort of like throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Now for the rest of my errors - that's your opinion, I'm entitled to mine. Continue to enjoy the day.

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He just didn't say what....

........you wanted to hear!

He said: I don't know. The Treasury is required to pay bills according to cash available and in a certain order. If no cash furnished by congress then the payments stop.

What you wanted to hear and what conservatives would have said (with a loud voice) " I will do all within my power to pay social security and no man better get in my way." They would then do nothing.

One is "positive" and the other "negative." Neither means much.

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. ..and you supported McCain. We'll see. So much drama this week. I think Cy is right. We won't default, and everyone will get their checks - and the drama will continue..

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DM are you a mind reader?

How do you know who I supported? And how does that affect what I said? All I said was if Obama follows through on his promise/threat to not pay SS he'll commit political suicide. Are you trying to say that no intelligent person could have supported McCain?

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G35 Dude

I think you're trying to be the mind-reader. Lot's of intelligent people supported McCain. There, I said it. Feel better? Now show me where Obama promised not to pay SS? Hmmmmm. Nite.

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Now show me where Obama promised not to pay SS?

Now you want to play a game of semantics? You know what I'm talking about. In the past your posts have been intelligent even if I didn't agree with you.

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Very positive!

Review this Monday or Tuesday!

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G35

Well, we'll see.

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SS Gym

Don't recall the SS payment plan that went into effect several years ago and also don't remember the prior scheme (could have been birth day of month related). My direct depost is now the 2nd Wed. of the month. It may be alphabetical but I doubt it because if it was I'd be closer to your payment date. Maybe with the O'bumbles threat we'll be on the same day....never.

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AHG, my comes late in the month also around 26-28th. And I too

resent all this foolish about us being given something.I paid into SS and had no choice and they still take SS, Medicare etc out of my check if I do a little work now and then. So I am still paying in--the TOOK my money, I had no choice in the matter and i darned well feel I have it coming to me--not as an 'entitlement' but the return on my money that the government took from me for years and years.

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Those checks (actually bits of info)....

....are sent twice a month to avoid such a need all at one time. Some get theirs early, some late in the month.

I understand what you mean about your entitlement.

I would suggest to you that all money issued by Washington is considered in the same way by all others. This is in spite of your contributions.

The vets didn't contribute for many years, should they get theirs?
Retirees from the military didn't contribute, should they get theirs?

All of them have a reason to continue getting them in full.

Should the suppliers of the government be paid, you know paper and pencils and jets? That new Destroyer they launched recently (One billion).

There will be 60% of the money needed to pay for everything from daily money coming into the treasury.

Hope you will be in that 60%!

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The vets didn't contribute for many years, should they get their

Excuse me if you consider our VETS placing their life's on the line so you can post your BS here not contributing and the same for retirees from the military they are VETS as well. You need a major wake up call. They put their life's on the line for you and your freedom.!!! Do not tell me they did not contribute. You should be ashamed of yourself!!!

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Justacitizen!

You helped make my point!!! It is everybody or nobody if what they say is true! Of course it is not.
It will just lower our credit rating and raise interest rates--Banks could "fly" again.

However, my point that everybody will fight for theirs and have good reasons for the checks will occur. There will be scores of opinions.

Question? Who else puts their life on the line sometimes? Is it limited to Combat Zones only? Firemen? Cops? Seriously wounded in accidents?

Like I said---it will be a battle over just who!

I mam not ashamed. Just stating facts and possibilities. I don't vote on these kind of things. I just vote for the congress and President.

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Piling on

Worst part of this mess is that in addition to the taxes, SS and medicare deduction from my part time check, they (and you know who they are) nail me for income taxes on a significant part of my SS income. I guess should purchase the version of TurboTax that Geithner uses. Suppose it's just a matter of time until the state gets into the act on retirement income.

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Tin Can & Direct Deposit of SS

If it was ordained by last name, I would think you & I would get paid about the same time, what with you being "T" and me being "S". Who knows--all I know is that it shows up and I, like you, get taxed on part of it.

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Well that shoots the hell out of that theory. I believe they did state what the new method was when they changed it, but you know what old age does to memory. I'll have to rummage around in my SS paperwork to see if I can find it. It's pretty easy to peak my curiosity as some of my other posts on this site indicate.

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On the table

For every dollar used raising the debit limit, three dollars would be subtracted from entitlement programs. The Republicans said no. If an agreement can't be reached to raise the debt limit, funds for these programs will not be available. We have to pay our bills in order to protect our credit worthiness. Our faulting on payments affect the global economy. . . and slows our recovery. A pledge of no new taxes on the rich is more important to the 'new guy's in Congress than working towards a solution. Mc Connell has made it clear, he is willing to take down the country in order not to show any agreement with this president . . . and to h___ with the country. Let's see what happens this week.

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No Doe Duh

After that statement, there should be no AARPS, to vote Democratic.

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Blowback. You can't be serious.

Paul Ryan and the GOP want to give out medicare vouchers and privatize social security. Remember how that worked for the last GOP president? Congressman West (R-FL) told a constituent he'd take his hands off of medicare "when it's gone." That's a direct quote. What has the GOP done for seniors whose names aren't Koch or Murdock or Buffett? Nothing at all. You are dreaming.

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That's not a budget plan. It's just a scam of a lure.

There is no specifics of when or where the cuts would be made.

This GOP is not going to fall for a shell game.

The bills can be approved month to month until some decent budget discussion takes place.

The president has no plan to reveal.

He just want a blank check.

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Wrong BHH

Obama has negotiated over four separate plans, they include tax increases on the wealthy the House Republicans refused to negotiate.

Now they are going to pass a law giving Obama the right to raise the debt ceiling and they can vote against it. Obama will then veto their disapproving resolution.

The Tea Party hardliners refused to negotiate and they are going to wind up with nothing but a political vote which will allow them to tell their supporters they voted against raising the debt ceiling. They won't have the $4 trillion deal, they won't have the $2 trillion deal, they won't have any pledges on entitlements. Amateurs.

The Republicans are going to fall for a shell game. One fed to them by the Tea Party leadership to try to convince them that they won something, somehow. Maybe they'll say they sent a "strong message".

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Jeff C - Please

provide a link to the proposed written Democratic plan that is before the Congress.

The one that Mr. Obama is proposing, the one that's in writing for the American people to review to see if it makes sense.

Just a link to the plan please.

Thanks

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C'mon PTCO

You know as well as I do that Obama is having meetings with Cantor and McConnell and Boehner trying to negotiate a deal. There is no plan for public review because the Republicans will not accept anything. This isn't a budget, it's McConnell desperately trying to close a deal against Cantor and his faction who are perfectly willing to push the United States of America into default for no other reason than political purposes.

Quite simply, they are putting their political ideology ahead of their country. It is disgraceful.

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JeffC - OK

So, they don't have a public plan, that's all I wanted to know.

The Republicans don't seem to have a problem with putting out ideas for the public to review, what's wrong with the Democrats?

I don't think either one of them are serious about anything but re-election and as you say "putting their political ideology ahead of their country."

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JeffC - December 2011

Well JeffC as a follow up to your post, looks like they are down to the wire. You know the only thing the American people have going for them right now is the fact that the Congress and President are all cowards. They will extend the debt limit, that's for sure.

However, by December 2011, Moody's will downgrade our credit rating to AA, no matter what they do. This in turn will cause a total restructuring of the US dollar as the global reserve currency, increase interest payments (taxes), and likely bring down the entire government in the next election cycle. At least we can hope that change will finally come to us in the form of greater individual freedom and responsibility. However, I have my doubts; it is just as likely that the American people will rush to the "safety" of a “benevolent” government.

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You are more optimistic than I am PTCO

This is not about the debt limit. It was raised 18 times under Reagan and 7 times under Bush with no controversy.

Boehner can deliver nothing. The TEA Party extremists are willing to be traitors to the country and are willing to significantly damage the United States in an effort to bring Obama down. Their political ideology trumps their patriotism.

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