President Obama: The Economy is suffering because of ATM's.

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Really?

Is President Obama truly this clueless of how our economy works? Well, Yes, yes he is. The last three years of the Obama Recession has taught us one thing really well. Obama does not know how America works. His statement recently on why America's Economy is slow shows his ignorance.

There are some structural issues with our economy, where a lot of businesses have learned to become much more efficient, with a lot fewer workers. You see it when you go to the bank and use an ATM -- you don't go to a bank teller. Or you go to the airport, and you're using a kiosk, instead of checking in at the gate." President Obama

I guess the thousands of workers BUILDING those ATMs and Kiosks and those hundreds of workers that service that equipment don't count in his view.

DNC Chairperson Debbie Wasserman Schultz said recently in a spate of honesty that the Democrats "Own the Economy".

"“We own the economy. We own the beginning of the turnaround and we want to make sure that we continue that pace of recovery, not go back to the policies of the past under the Bush administration that put us in the ditch in the first place,”

So three years of unprecedented spending and racking up more debt then anyone before them, they finally admit their failure. They should because blaming the past administration, although well deserved, pales in comparison to the spending recklessness that this administration and crop of politicians have done to us.

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We're in charge of the economy....

so says the vice perpetrator.

Source: USA Today

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Welcome back cyclist

If the GOP ever decides to do anything other than say 'no' to every idea from the White House; EVEN ideas they had previously supported, will you support them? Will you support the Ryan plan to privatize social security? Will you support the increase to the nations deficit as long as it's due to republican ideas? They've worked so well in the past lol?

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Cy, Kevin, & Saying "NO"

Sorry Cy, I can't resist: Kevin haven't you noticed that it's the Dem controlled Senate that is refusing to even bring up the proposed "Jobs Bill" that the President is clamoring for Congress to pass? Even many Dems don't think it's a good idea! And they know they don't have even the Dem votes---what's wrong with this picture? How about no prior coordination with either House or Senate but simply an attempt to ram a white house proposal through--looks like it just aint gonna work! We have egos at work here and Dem Senators know it won't pass muster back home.

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Gym, about the Jobs Bill....

proposed by the President. It creates a new class of "protected" individuals called the "unemployed". Anyone who feels they're discriminated against because of their employment status can find a willing lawyer - whose ads will be on late-night TV - and sue any company they feel denied them their rights as a protected individual.

I'm sure companies that would like to hire will weigh the risk of costly ligation versus what that new employee would contribute to the bottom line. This could end up being a jobs killer. Honestly, this sounds like something straight out of Hugo's playbook and his little socialist paradise.

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Cy & The Jobs Bill

Maybe, just maybe, the Dem Senators are smarter than the white house weenies who constructed this bill. Regardless, it's a sad story. You on the road any time soon?

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Hey Gym

Only to Charlotte (conference) and then to Greenville (audit). After that, I'm pretty much office-bound.

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Athome and cyclist

I think Biden is spot on. The truth is no foot in mouth. The dem executive, senate, and repub house own this. No one is blameless. But the house has even shot speaker boehner's bills down twice. They are stuck on no. I believe the senate has shown much more willingness to try solutions. Something. ANYTHING to get the economic gridlock broken. But my question was dodged. Do you gents support the Ryan plans idea of tying social security to the markets, while raising the national debt? That's what the GOP house supports. Are you gents on board?

Cy. I hope the silver guys have some character building in their future ;-)

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Kevink & Ryan's plan for SS

Quite frankly, I haven't paid any attn to anyone's plan for SS--I do get a monthly payment (paid into it for 20+ yrs) but frankly if it went away, I wouldn't really miss it. It's a supplement to me, not a necessity--which, incidentally, is all it was ever intended to be anyway! Some foks bemoan its possible loss or reduction--I'm guessing those who do didn't plan for retirement in their earning yrs, deciding instead to rely on govt support.

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Planned for retirement, AtHome...

...my brother did, retiring from Boeing after 25 yrs; nice little pension, but was struck with dementia (cognitive pre-dementia impairment, which will be full-blown dementia in a year or two and does seem to be progessing that way). His wife quit work to care for him, he now receives, at age 60, full SS benefits (about $2300/mo.), would be quite worse off w/o it. So, just a example - albeit probably not representative of the greater group - of how SS is a necessity for some.

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kc Andy & Retirement

Certainly there are exceptions to probably every case. Best to your Brother and SIL.

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AHG - KC Andy - Planning for the worst

You can get catastrophic health care coverage quite reasonably as well as long term health care insurance. Both are available from a number of sources including AARP. I have both. If we are ever to break free of depending on the government, then we must take reasonable precautions and plan for the worst as part of our personal responsibility.

Sorry to hear of your brother's condition Andy.

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PTC-O & Retirement Planning

Of course you're right--that planning consists of more than some sort of guaranteed income. My wife & I both signed up for LTC when I retired in 2001. But I wouldn't buy a pickle from AARP--they only act as agents for real insurance companies. I threw my AARP card away yrs ago when they veeredd way left!

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Uncle Omar Obama & Social Security

Gee, who would have guessed that an illegal would be able to get into the social security system. I'm shocked.

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kevin: Ryan's plan on SS

Ryan's plan that wen through the House had little on SS besides a few reforms and talk of structural changes that were rather vague. His previous "Roadmap for America's Future" was much more specific and proposed allowing workers under 55 to put 33% of their SS money into personal retirement accounts with some guarantees. This isn't tying the entire SS system to the markets.

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Dems in disarray

Obama's jobs bill can't even get introduced. Durbin is whining that BOA is going to start charging $5/mo for debit cards in response to HIS bill that mandated the maximum fees banks could charge merchants for processing debit cards. He seems to be calling for a bank run on BOA even.....maybe he's hoping BOA will go under so they can get a big gov't bailout!

It appears that after several years, the 3 free trade pacts with South Korea, Panama and Colombia will finally get an up/down vote and plenty of Dems will be voting against Obama on that. Most unions and Harry Reid especially will have a hissy. Meanwhile, Maxine Waters and the CBC will continue to question why a black President isn't trying to implement policies that only benefit one group of people.

Robert Johnson, founder of BET, had a great response to the Obama class warfare message:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/politicolive/1011/Obama_needs_to_recalibra...

Now, Romney leads Obama in every major poll and non-entrant at this point Chris Christie is tied. Dems best hope that bonehead Rick Perry would win or Michelle Bachman last a long time have evaporated. It's got to the point that Obama is calling himself the alleged "underdog" and saying that people aren't better off than 4 years ago. LOL. They still have a year to fix their message and whatever and it's not like the Repubs are going to propose anything of substance or seize the advantage, but Dems are flailing all over the place right now.

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True Nuk, all true about the Dems -----BUT

A big but - sure it is all going against the Dems - making 2012 the Republicans favored by far. As they say, it is their race to lose and never was that expression more fitting because the Republicans are capable of losing it. Yes there is 1 year to go and lot's can happen, but will it? Republicans are immersed in trivia except for Cain and his 9-9-9 plan and I doubt the rest feel the need to come up with a winning strategy - they are coasting on Obama's implosion and that puts them in danger - just like the 1964 Phillies.

Democrats can win easily by dumping Biden for a younger VP or dumping Obama for Clinton (Mrs., that is). Too early for either move, but rest assured both have been discussed.

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RWM: All true

Repub strategy of simply running against Obama/Dems/economy might be enough, but that's a pretty sorry way to "win." They simply lack the spine to really go out to the masses and try to sell them on plans like Cain's or Ryan's or the specific reasons about why SS is solvent now and totally screwed in 20 years or how Medicare/Medicaid will need serious structural reforms or drive the country into insolvency. They also need to do a serious PR campaign on educating some on why deficits and debt are a "big deal."

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Funny Nuk. Ronald Reagan, the GOP's Jesus, addressed class

warfare comments as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uxpv7y5Vvvc

WOW! Who knew? Ronald Reagan said it was "crazy" for a millionaire to pay a lower tax rate than a bus driver. He said workers shouldn't pay higher tax rates than the companies they work for.

Nuk, you can say democrats are in disarray, but you ignore the rest of the political spectrum for some very odd reason, you being an "independent" and all. Doesn't that mean you see both sides of the coin?

The GOP, in my opinion, is in a quandary. No one is far enough to the right. As Sara "I might or might not run" said: Each front runner is the flavor of the week. Then we actually learn WHO they are:

-Obamney Romneycare flip-flopper Romney.

-Blacks are brainwashed, Sharia law is coming, no Muslims on my bench or in my cabinet Cain.

-"N-word head Ranch" Perry. I know, man! I asked the same thing. How can you hunt there for years before figuring out the name is a tad bit offensive? (BTW MadMike. Even Tosh would agree N-word Head Ranch is RACIST).

-Michele shrinking staff two-dollar-a-gallon gas, pray away the gay (husband) Bachmann.

-Tiffany's million-dollar-man three wife shrinking campaign staff Gingrich, who, BTW, left Washington via disgraced resignation last time around.

-Ron term limits after I'm done with my thirty years Paul, who I hope lives through this campaign without suffering from any age-related illnesses.

The rest I need not even mention. We all know that Chris Christie who thinks civil unions are fine (as do I), who thinks talk of Sharia law threats to the U.S. is "crazy talk" (as do I), who helicoptered to his son's little league game (govt waste?) has no chance with the Tea Party. None. Nada.

If you think an actual campaign between Barack Obama and Mr. tripling the size of my house, sent American jobs overseas, and backed away from my own health care plan Romney will find 2008's GOP primary loser a winner, I'll gladly put ca$h on that bet, brother.

As for party infighting, how many bills that Nancy Pelosi brought to the floor got rejected by her own party?

How many times has John Boehner's own party embarrassed him by voting down their leader's bills? This article,

"Vote on House spending bill reveals John Boehner’s lack of control," sums up the GOP disarray nicely.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/64102.html

If you don't want to read the article, this quote and the article's title sum it up well:

"Wednesday night’s rank-and-file rebuke of GOP leadership — with 48 Republicans bolting on a temporary spending bill — underscored the fact that the House Republican majority is still struggling to find unity on major spending bills. It also showed they still need Democratic votes to help them govern."

As is quite often here on The C, folks like to give but one perspective of the national political environment. But truth be told, no one is smelling like roses, are they?

As a footnote on the thesis of "Democrats in disarray," West virginia Democratic Governor Earl Ray Tomblin just beat his GOP opponent, Bill Maloney. go figure.....

The GOP could always bring a Grizz / Joekawfi ticket. You get all of the anti-Obama vitriol with half the calories :-D

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Dems and GP both in constant disarray

....it just appears to be that the Dems more so at this time. Barely holding on to the governorship in WV where Dems outnumber Repubs 2-1 and the Repub was a total unknown is not a good sign. Neither is Harry Reid blocking a vote in the Senate yesterday on Obama's toxic job bill.

The way Obama and idiotic Durbin are screeching this week about debit card fees, might as well amend the Constitution to mandate that every person is guaranteed the right to free checking accounts and free use of debit cards. Maybe that's coming potentially in the next term: governmental price fixing.

I sort of like that China bill in the Senate right now. Anything that upsets Geithner is likely to be good for the country, but he's highly concerned that we might really upset our huge creditor China and then they might stop buying our debt. What Geithner actually knows is that a main component of how China manipulates their currency is by PROPPING UP THE VALUE OF THE DOLLAR BY BUYING OUR DEBT and they really cannot stop because if the dollar falls, they lose their big advantage in currency exchange. Shut the hell up, Geithner. You already irritated everyone in Europe with your BS and have little credibility. You and Eric Holder are two big reasons to not vote for Obama.

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Nuk. Did you see my "GOP in disarray" response?

I think using the actual name of Perry's ranch before the name change caused it to disappear.
Basically pointed out that if the early polling was accurate, giuliani or Paul would have been the nominees in 2008.

Perry has ranch, secession, and as problems.

Bachman is incoherent and has lost her key campaign staff.... as has
Gingrich, the Tiffany's million dollar man.
Romney the flip flopper not only has romneyobamneycare to deal wth; he's an "unemployed " guy who is crippling the size of his house, and made his money moving US jobs abroad.
Perry had a ranch for decade with a name I apparently can't type here. Said that already though.
Cain has sharia law is a threat to us problems which chris frosty calls "crazy talk"; which is probably a problem for him.
As to GOP disarray; look at the number of times Boehner's bills have been rejected by his own house. It's embarrassing. Nancy Pelosi never had that happen. If u don't have the votes, you don't bring the bill.
I'd say for both parties, it's the SNAFU.

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kevin: yes I did
kevink wrote:

I'd say for both parties, it's the SNAFU.

Yes it is. Never I have I seen either side both have certain advantages over the other that they manage to squander away over and over. It's like they just don't really care or are just pretty stupid.

I saw your GOP in disarray post first and it's true too. I don't know if Perry is getting unfairly smeared or not, but that's not a story that should even be any kind of issue if anyone had bothered to do a little bit of vetting before most Repubs anointed him THE CANDIDATE TO BEAT OBAMA.

If Romney could downsize the federal government's size and scope like he did with some ventures at Bain(someof which needed it too that the media leaves out), I'd vote for him in a second and start sending campaign cash. Alas, I don't think that's really his plan just like I don't think he's truly to the right of Perry's thinking on illegals. He isn't really flopping around on Romneycare and I don't think he hates Obamacare as much as he's trying to sound right now in order to get independents and a portion of TPers on board. He's definitely a moderate above all else and that is probably a winning place to be in the general election, but real tough sledding in Repub primaries full of fundies and hardliners who think you can wipeout the deficit in a week, gas will be under $2, defense spending won't be touched, gays are bad, almost all Mormons are too,no one will suffer from entitlement reform,
etc. etc.

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Hey kevin....

did I tell you that Biden said that "we're in charge of the economy'. I'm assuming he means himself and President AKA the executive branch or do you think he meant the rest of the demos as well. Nonetheless, some analysts are saying we are heading for a double dip recession. This is such a classic Biden...you know, putting his foot in his mouth.

BTW, keep an eye out for that silver fleet of aircraft that call DFW home. Some say they're going to burn through their cash reserve soon and seek court protection.

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USA TODAY

Interesting how we get different messages. This is from today's USA TODAY

http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/story/2011-10-02/cnbc-consumers-ec...

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Biden: We're in charge of the economy
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Since replacing people with machines is not a problem....

Perhaps we can find a blame Obama computer program to take over for all of our online economics experts ;-)

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Why not, Kev...?

The 'Blame Bush' program ran well for the last 3 years! ;)

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Obama is a very small man

Obama is very small minded. Thank God he will be voted out of office in 2012.

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Grizz. Obama is a "very small man?"

Dude! He looks pretty tall to me. And have you seen how big his feet are?!

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Poor Grizz

A sad case of 'big' man worship from one who lives in a little mind and body. Why else the BEAR for an avatar?

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Using your logic, it appears that you wish that your skin was white.

Obama is a very small, immature, ineffective little man that will be voted out of office in 2012. Hallelujah!

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Obama's economic computer program: http://www.mattelgames.com/demos.asp?demo=mb , with the only answers being be tax and spend! -GP

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OOU - Obama

Every man has lived through unique individual events, Mr. Obama is no different. His vision of the world and America was shaped by his upbringing. An excellent book on why Mr. Obama is the man he is explained in some detail in "The Roots of Obama's Rage" by Dinesh D'Souza.

The depth of Mr. Obama's disconnection with everything that has made the USA a great capitalist success is amazing. The letters and writings from a father that abandoned his child and his father's Marxist/Leninist philosophy made a profound imprint on our President. The further reinforcement of this philosophy by his sick mother simply added to his impressions of the United States as an evil capitalist society. Therefore, it is not surprising that Mr. Obama is the way he is, he is certain that he is right. Even when all the evidence shows that he is wrong. In his mind the problem with the USA is business and nothing else. He is at war with capitalism.

The people in the streets of New York are his followers, they parrot his class warfare rhetoric, they are his creation and we can expect more of this before the election. All that remains to be seen is how long will they remain "peaceful", how long will it take for Mr. Obama to encourage them to violence? We may see the same theater that we saw in London played out on the streets of New York and other American cities, and Mr. Obama will not stand in their way. On the contrary, he will encourage it with his words. It plays to his belief system. He is frustrated that he is President and not Ruler.

Read the book.

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PTC Observer. Hate to point out that you're coo coo 4 cocopuffs.

You said Obama's father abandoned him.

You then implied Obama was influenced by the Marxist philosophy of the father.... who... did...not...raise.... him.

It's always fun to watch the words you type in your posts spar with each other. There's usually never a winner in the contest though. :-D

When I look at the Obamas with their education and family values and all, it's easy to see how he draws the ire of *conservatives. How unAmerican of them!

As for his "disconnection with everything that has made the USA a great capitalist success," is this the same success that ended up laying under a T A R P?

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kevink - read

read the book, then we can discuss its points.

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Great Book Ob

Before I read D'Souza's book I was having a hard time understanding what motivated Obama, this book does an excellent job of explaning O's vision and motives. -GP

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GP - LOL

Somehow I knew that book would make you 'feel' better!!

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DM, Feel Better?

Understanding Obama does not make me "feel" better, it does however help to explain the motives behind his destructive policies. -GP

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The book represents one mans opinion based on assumptions - the reality of which he doesn't have a clue. It's laughable. But what counts is who will be able to beat Obama. Cantar and his minions, with his 'save the rich' philosophy /Ryans Plan or Obama with his 'I'm looking out for the 'little guy' who's been hurt by this mess we're in - and also working with world leaders so that we aren't devastated by the world economy. All of the US is not in the same condition as those who live in Fayette County. Take a ride down some of the back roads in Georgia -let alone other states- and you'll see Americans living in conditions that are disgraceful. Race has nothing to do with what is observable in Georgia. It's a class of citizens who have not had good health care, education, - let alone job opportunities. . .and that class is growing!! Many middle class citizens are getting help from neighbors, friends, and family in trying to maintain a middle class lifestyle - because what the government offers as a 'safety net' does not provide a middle class lifestyle. Can you help us understand Bush/Rove/Cheney's destructive policies? That will make for interesting reading. How is the Ryan Plan different? Looking forward to yours or anyone else's answer.

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Now that D'Souza has written a book that helps to assuage the 'racist' label from the conservative/Republican party - what what will conservative Republicans do when Cain comes to the convention with the most votes? I wish I could be a fly on the wall in the Rove/Koch brain sessions!!! The rest of the country is listening to a Republican who has fresh ideas about solutions - and heavens to Betsy - they (the party) may not be able to control him!! There are people, including me, who feel that the Republicans will never anoint Cain - but I could be wrong! The bottom line - can Cain beat Obama? Or will Obama 's contact with the American people restore their hope - and give him four more years to overcome the 'no' party - a party that the American people are beginning to distrust? (The 'party' - Republican/Tea - is even saying 'no' to 9-9-9)

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DM - read

read the book. Then we can discuss the points made in it.