March 2009: Obama administration vows not to use "waterboarding"

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March 2009: Obama adminitstration vows not to use "waterboarding"

U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder ruled out the use of "waterboarding" as an interrogation technique for terrorism suspects on Monday, calling it a form of torture that the Obama administration could never condone.

A Look at Osama bin Laden's Death: Geronimo E-KIA and Waterboarding

The storyline about how 40 American Navy SEALS came to find the terrorist is incredible. It boiled down to finding the courier linked to Osama bin Laden. The startling revelation? Some of the most important details emerged during President George W. Bush's administration and their harsh interrogation practices carried out on captured terrorists, often at the controversial Guantanamo Bay. This will reignite the conversation around GITMO and the role it played in killing al Qaeda's top minion. Some of the information came from an overseas prison after Khalid Sheik Mohammad had been waterboarded.

A great deal of credit also goes to former President George W. Bush, who carried out the unpopular, but necessary, War on Terror. For eight years, Bush was crucified by the media and even President Obama, but didn't let up. Say what you want about Bush, but the man cared so much about protecting this nation that he made it the most important issue of his presidency. Obama did not thank Bush, but that's to be expected.

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Joke Awfi wrong again!
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March 2009: Obama adminitstration vows not to use "waterboarding"

U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder ruled out the use of "waterboarding" as an interrogation technique for terrorism suspects on Monday, calling it a form of torture that the Obama administration could never condone.

A Look at Osama bin Laden's Death: Geronimo E-KIA and Waterboarding

The storyline about how 40 American Navy SEALS came to find the terrorist is incredible. It boiled down to finding the courier linked to Osama bin Laden. The startling revelation? Some of the most important details emerged during President George W. Bush's administration and their harsh interrogation practices carried out on captured terrorists, often at the controversial Guantanamo Bay. This will reignite the conversation around GITMO and the role it played in killing al Qaeda's top minion. Some of the information came from an overseas prison after Khalid Sheik Mohammad had been waterboarded.

A great deal of credit also goes to former President George W. Bush, who carried out the unpopular, but necessary, War on Terror. For eight years, Bush was crucified by the media and even President Obama, but didn't let up. Say what you want about Bush, but the man cared so much about protecting this nation that he made it the most important issue of his presidency. Obama did not thank Bush, but that's to be expected.

Former secretary of defense Donald Rumsfeld throws cold water on Teahadist claims that waterboarding produced information about Bin Laden. LINK

Another day, another Joke Awfi lie.

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No lie, Krispie Kreme
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Former secretary DERP DERP of defense Donald Rumsfeld throws cold water DERP DERP on Teahadist claims that waterboarding DERP DERPproduced DERP information about Bin Laden. LINK

Another DERP DERP day, another DERP Joke DERP Awfi lie.

All of a sudden you bleeding heart liberals believe Rumsfeld after all of those years of villifying him and everyone else in the Bush administration?
Bottom line, Bush was directly responsible for obtaining the intel for Obama. Barry wouldn't have squat with out the information obtained at the prisons that he closed in order to appease the jihadists.

Officials: CIA interrogators at secret prisons developed first strands that led to bin Laden

Officials say CIA interrogators in secret overseas prisons developed the first strands of information that ultimately led to the killing of Osama bin Laden.

Former president George W. Bush authorized the CIA to use the harshest interrogation tactics in U.S. history. President Barack Obama closed the prison system.

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Bush finally got him smoked out

While President Obama was riding his big airplane around all over the place, President Bush finally determined where Bin Laden was and ordered Secretary Gates to order him killed by Seabees.

Ordinarily, the current President would make such an order after hearing all to be said by the top officials in his office, but Gates mistook Mr. Bush for President Obama on the phone and went ahead and did the thing!

When the current President (Obama, I think) heard of the success, he immediately took credit for issuing the order. Of course the USA military actually pulled the thing off but the waterboard information of 6-7 years ago about letter carriers of Bins caused them to follow the letter man around for 4-5 years until he obviously was a courier!

Not a thing had been done during the entire 2 and 1/2 years of the current President's term (Obama, I believe)--as he was busy spending 14 TRILLION dollars that Bush neglected to spend while there.

A parade is scheduled in New York for Mr. Bush to re-award the "Mission Accomplished" banner and certificate. A new "bull horn" will also be available.

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You know it would be nice to hear a little shoutout

from the left. If it were not for the persistence of Bush on this Kinetic Military Operation fighting those Manmade Disasters while considering the Overseas contingency actions then this day would not have arrived.

Oh well we will just keep praising the President, well this President, for his work.

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Obama succeeded where Bush failed
Observerofu wrote:

from the left. If it were not for the persistence of Bush on this Kinetic Military Operation fighting those Manmade Disasters while considering the Overseas contingency actions then this day would not have arrived.

Oh well we will just keep praising the President, well this President, for his work.

The harsh reality, which you appear unwilling or unable to accept, is that President Obama succeeded where President Bush failed

How's that for a "shout out"?

As Brave Terry Garlock, Hero of Vietnam™ would no doubt tell you, losers don't get victory parades.

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Sorry, It'll go down in History

As Bush gets the Win, Obama gets the Save!

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Sorry Dondol...

Bush gets the loss at Tora Bora
Obama gets the win at Abbotabad!

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ROUNDABOUT

That clarified it!! LOL!

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What should a principled President do?

If a "principled" President condemned our interrogation tactics of enemy combatants that he claimed were immoral and illegal and if he threatened and harrassed those connected with those interrogations through his Justice Department, should that President use any information obtained from those interrogations in his decisions to pursue and kill others?

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Woody

If any were used, which I doubt or we would know it by now, it was by agencies--not President Obama.
The President listens to all and then decides what to do.

However, if a President approved the use of "waterboarding," or whatever, then he would be responsible for it. Bush did!

Right now however, TV is singing, "Ding Dong, the witch is dead," sang to that tune from "Wizard of Oz."

Sounds juvenile to me.
Over 5,000 of ours are DEAD, and 35,000 wounded--some terribly. Thousands of families ruined for reserves and guardsmen.

Plus 1-200,000 of theirs!

Is this all we are to get out of all this--both countries will be same within 2 years!

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Funny Woody, but Valerie Jarrett actually made the same point

The dithering and delaying by our new hero President is starting to leak out. The 16-hour delay is being laid at the feet of Valerie Jarrett who had the President's ear and was in every single meeting up until Dailey and Panetta convinced the President she was the sole opposition to the operation. Even Hillary Clinton has a leading role in the story that is starting to leak out about how Prezbo had to be dragged kicking and screaming into his heroic decision. Notable that Biden was in the room before Obama. Can't wait to read Hillary's next book.

Didn't see Valerie in any of those photos during the raid and Prezbo sitting in the corner makes more sense with these tidbits of info. It will be interesting as this story develops as it would be impossible to silence the 20 or 30 people who were actually there. Likely scenario is Panetta emerges as the real hero (and new Sec Def) and Jarrett resigns and goes back to Chicago or wherever she belongs.

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Poor, poor, pathetic Robert Morgan. Struggling to spin

the death of Osama bin Laden, ordered by PRESIDENT OBAMA BTW, into a negative. You poor soul; writhing around like a slug which has been covered by salt (Hey. I like that one. Remarkably accurate :-)). You are now trying to push a 16 hour delay story? OMG! 16 hour delay! Stop the presses. :-D. Funny thing is, I asked your conjoined twin of hate, Joe coughy why we didn't get OBL 7 years ago when we started torturing people. Here is what he said:

" It took time for the intelligence community to put the pieces together."

Robert, you might want to roll over in bed and tell your mistress in misery joe coughy that even a 16 hour delay is simply unexcusable.... whether your story has any merrit or not. Dude, your melt down is truly historic, and I LOVE IT. I can imagine you having to turn the station every time an OBL is dead story plays. Oh the horror RWM! The horrorrrrrrr!

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This whole thing is probably above your intellectual pay grade

but please follow the story that insiders (not me) are telling about the lead up to this operation and the delays. Link on Eric Erickson's newsletter today. Great story, certainly not proven - yet, but just wait and see.

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Proven? Like the birthers?

Now some nuts in California, (John Birchers?) claim the Hawaii certificate is fake. Come on people, prove that Obama's mother was in Kenya at the time of his birth -and the issue is settled!

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Natural Born Citizens For Dummies!

Because of my family circumstances, I have researched this 'natural born citizen' thing in depth. Contrary to what the residents of the Inman community and other outlying areas of Fayette County believe, natural born citizen DOES NOT mean 'born on US soil.'!

Here is a brief description of how one my be a 'natural born' citizen!

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?

The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps. The Constitution authorizes the Congress to do create clarifying legislation in Section 5 of the 14th Amendment; the Constitution, in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4, also allows the Congress to create law regarding naturalization, which includes citizenship.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

Anyone born inside the United States *
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
* There is an exception in the law — the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.

So, beware the kids of the Ninja, who are eligible to become president and are probably eligible for not one, not two, but three passports!

Go Hawks and Braves, who are playing a double-header tonight!

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Kansas?

Is that part of the US?

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Why are you wondering about a President with principles, Woody?

Don't have one now, won't have one in 2 years, haven't had one since FDR. It is all about show biz and reelection.

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Cold blooded murder of a private citizen, Joe K

Try this one on for size, Joe. If this operation happened when Bush were President, how long would it be before some lib in the media or a Michael Moore type stepped up and put forth the argument that this was simply murder of a private citizen. He wasn't an enemy combatant, he wasn't in uniform, he was not the head of state of a foreign country with which we were at war, none of that. Furthermore the "proof" we had that BinLadin was actually behind 9/11 was obtained illegally through secret CIA prisons, waterboarding, Guantanamo, etc. Plus we entered a foreign country without their permission. It goes on and on. Yep, next thing would be let's impeach Bush and try him for murder.

Any doubts that the libs hate Bush enough to try out those silly accusations?

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Robert - you are correct

The double standard and hypocrisy of the left is the reason they are mocked and laughed at. Who can't recall the conspiracy theories from the bleeding hearts about Cheney's "assassination squads". Now that it was Obama's assassination squad, they are as silent as the sheep that they are.

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Kawfi

Can't you just imagine what hullabaloo would be going on if the assassination had failed and all of the soldiers killed!

Of course that would have been Bush's fault, just as the success is his according to joe and others.

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No hullaballo, just a new CIA Director

It was Panetta supposedly running the show and would have been his failure and it would not have been a public failure - just a few hushed up combat deaths or a helicopter crash.

To have a hullabaloo, you need a Republican President for the sharks in the press to circle around. The sharks are on a 4-year leave of absence. They'll be back soon.

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Morgan

That wasn't exactly what happened and is still happening to President Carter, was it?

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Sort of, but Carter overreached

He was trying to do a Hail Mary too close to the end of his first term so he could get a second term. And he didn't have the clout with the military to have a cover-up. Of course Mr. Carter also set back intelligence-gathering in this country with the help of Frank Church when they hatched this foolish notion that we weren't going to use unsavory characters as agents or sources of information. Probably enabled 9/11 to a certain extent as we didn't have any insiders in any of the Al-Quida cells.

Live and learn.

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Morgan, Carter & The CIA

You can lay a large part of the blame for the loss of our Human Intelligence capability in the Carter yrs right at the feet of Stansfield Turner.

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Yea, Turner was the hired gun

He probably did most of the dirty housecleaning work, but it took a true liberal mind to think that it was workable to bring political correctness to an organization that used to be the OSS in WWII. The OSS, now that's how you run a spy agency and fight a war.

BTW, Do you think we could win WWII today with all we have done to the military and society in general?

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Morgan, Intelligence, & postulations

Agree that there had to be unanimous consent within the administration for all that decimation to happen.
Next, I have serious doubts about the resolve to do whatever it would take to achieve victory within today's society. The times and mindsets are just so different from what I perceive they were then. In many venues, "patriotism" is an ugly word and of course there is no longer any sort of mandatory citizen participation in military service. Strange, but in the last 3 yrs, my Son, who is 39 and who never served, has been expressing to me his regret that he did not serve in any capacity--some of that perhaps brought on by his discussions with a close professional business associate who was a Staff Sergeant in the Montana National Guard and a Bradley Commander in one of our current engagements.

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Maybe then you would like my Israeli model. 6' 2", eyes of blue

No my model is not tall and blond. The deal in Israel is mandatory military service for everyone at age 18 and after 2 or 3 years they get on with their education and the rest of their life and that includes big time support for Israel's defense and certainly does not include Bill Ayers type protesters. And it certainly does not include lawmakers like Barney Frank and John Kerry. Or Dianne Feinstein - did you see that dope today?

Freedom is one thing. Stupidity is another.

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Morgan

That wasn't exactly what happened and is still happening to President Carter, was it?

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Republicans rush to rewrite history

Republicans are in full-throated roar today, attempting to rewrite the sorry history between Dubya and Bin Laden LINK

Here in Fayette county, local White Citizens Council president Robert Whitebread Morgan and his VP of Lynching Joe Kawfi continue to pretend that they support troops and love America.

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And now we find out he was unarmed

Wow, we killed an unarmed man. If George Bush had done it, we would be hearing war criminal charges from the elites in the press.

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Morgan

I know you don't want to hear this - and you don't hear it much here; but there are those who are saying if W had been on top of it - 9'11 never would have happened. Go figure.

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I think you actually mean Clinton, Moms

9/11 was planned for 2 years by a group we did not infiltrate because of Jimmy Carter and Frank Church and their dismantling of human intelligence including over 800 people dismissed from the CIA in the late 1970's. Clinton of course had a chance (some say 2 chances) to eliminate binLadin, although to be fair even he didn't know what was being planned - because of the intelligence failure outlined above.

Bush did a great job of keeping us safe after 9/11 and all the actions he took that the Dems and Obama specifically criticized led directly to binLadin's killing.

You want a nightmare? Imagine 9/11 happening under President Al Gore. Not quite as bad would be if we were in the middle of John Kerry's second term - that would have at least kept Obama in the Senate, but I don't see the hero of Vietnam pulling off the Sunday operation.

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I think

To many, those two words in your statement are 'inoperative'. But if your analysis is a comfort to you, swell. 'Bush kept us safe' isn't going to play well in 2012 against 'Osama is dead.'. Evidently our intelligence gathering has improved under this administration. ( Maybe because leaders from both
parties worked together to get the job done.) If possible, we need to take politics out of security and the economy - and concentrate on what is best for our country.

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need to take politics out of security and the economy, says Mom

Good advice. But what the heck do you think Obama has been doing since he got in office? Why in the world was Valerie Jarrett, of all people, in all those meetings leading up to Sunday's takedown of binLaden? Because she knows a lot about military operations? Or is it because she is a political operative? Fortunately she got shoved aside by Daley and possibly Clinton and the President was forced into the right decision - the one he didn't make while she was giving him liberal idealogy.

Yes Mom, pay attention to the 16-hour delay and who the real heros in this turn out to be. It will leak slowly out because Hillary Clinton will want it to. Might even set her up as a challenger to Prezbo in 2012.

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Rove/Jarrett

Hmmmm. He should have 'left the room' also. . .don't ya think?

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No, Rove knew his place and didn't interfere with policy

Jarrett (according to the insider reports) was trying to discourage a mission supported by virtually everyone else solely for the reason that it might fail and hurt Obama's reelection chances. Only when Panetta set himself up as the scapegoat and was going to proceed on his own and Hillary started leaking did she (Jarrett) relent - reportedly after being strong-armed by Daley. Notice she wasn't in the famous situation room photo.

No Mom, Rove never did any of that stuff. Of course Bush had a very strong VP in Cheney as opposed to the cartoon character who is in there now. I guess Jarrett is simply filling in as VP while Biden snoozes.

When Jarrett resigns, that will be the first chink in the armor and the leaks will grow exponentially.

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Robert Mwas there

Morgan please give us a little more info. Finally we get to here from someone who was in the situation room when the order to kill OBL was given... We didn't know you were there when all this happened. You weren’t in the photo. Do tell. Tell us how it all went down from your eyewitness accounts.

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Not there, dopey dog. Just informed by someone who been there

Valerie Jarrett - not in the famous photo.
Valerie Jarrett in all the meetings during the 16 hour delay.
Valerie Jarrett resigning soon.

Obama going mainstream? Maybe that's too much to hope for, but he sure got a dose of what it is like to be a real person and even a leader the last several days. Good for him. Good for the country.

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No Mom, Rove never did any of that stuff.

Wow! That is funny! Maybe you didn't read his book! However your responses appear to be straight out of Rove's 'playbook'.

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DERP DERP Valerie Jarrett DERP
Robert W. Morgan wrote:

DERP DERP DERP Valerie Jarrett DERP DERP DERPDERP DERP DERP DERP DERP DERP liberal idealogy DERP DERP DERP DERP DERP DERP
16-hour delay

Yeah, let's take the politics out of this, but while we're at it let's include an anonymous smear about Valerie Jarrett from the political hacks at Pajamas Media that questions President Obama's leadership.

Funny how Jarrett wasn't in the White House situation room photo, when this supposed conflict was said to have occurred, but facts never mattered much to Robert DERP DERP DERP Morgan.

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DM & 9-11

The FBI had leads & info that may have prevented 9-11 but didn't share and didn't realize what they had. Director Mueller knows that and has reorganized much functionally to prevent a reoccurrence.

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Thanks. I remember when that was shared. I agree, it looks like some lessons have been learned and there is better cooperation.

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Morgan is right Mom

"W" had only been in office since Jan 20th. 7 months and some odd days and 9-11 is Bush's fault?

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Fault for 9-11

To place fault on one guy or another for 9-11 is stupid. Who in America was prepared for someone or people to hijack several planes and crash them into a building? Even the FBI couldn't put 2 and 2 together. That was beyond our train of thought. We are better prepared today for this crazy stuff. Maybe we should have kept alive the image of a Kamikaze pilot from WWII.

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Morgan

Stop. A man who took credit for killing men, women. and children around the world and on 9-11
declared war on the US was killed in a military operation . He was declared a war criminal and has been a fugitive from justice for far too long. Makes one wonder who is paying you for this propaganda.

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It is not propaganda Moms, it is simple supposition

Easy as well. My point is simply that the wacky left wingers - some in the press, some really out there like Michael Moore would raise all these points about murdering an unarmed civilian, non-combatant, not in uniform, civilian after entering a foreign country illegally if Bush were President on Sunday. It is obvious to me and Joe K as well. Everyone else just ignores that and tries to change the subject or kill the messenger like the well-trained libs that they are. And of course nothing even close to that happens now because Obama is still a protected class in the eyes of the media.

Don't forget though that the information that led to binLadin's house was obtained illegally - under torture - according to Obama and most other Dems over the past several years. The President (correctly) used that info and the results were good. I hope he appreciates the irony and at the very least gives Bush and Cheny and Rumsfeld a shout out on their illegal and immoral (Prezbo's words during the campaign) contribution to this operation. Maybe Sunday on 60 Minutes. I'm holding my breath.

Edited Thurs AM to add: Leon Panetta actually admitted that some of the info was obtained through torture or whatever the polite term for that is - on NBC last night, although he forgot to praise Bush.

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Morgan

Well, I have to agree with you about the hate, but I think much of it now comes also from the conservatives.
You must know that Obama didn't create the TEAS, the fair taxers, the Palins, the O'Donnels, five billion debt (not including a trillion for wars, doing nothing about health plans when he could have, doing nothing about Wall Street (who got caught too soon), spying on all of us--creating everyone doing it now, and pure incompetence mixed with a late false religious air.
Not to mention he was beat in a majority vote way and used the supreme conservative court in state business to win election.

Many simply could not understand why conservatives nominated George Bush the first time.

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Armed or unarmed?

And tell us just how were the folks in the Trade Center armed! Wimps all around!

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Look at dondol and kawfi and morgan and observerofu :-)

I love this. We have found a whole group of local citizens who refuse to be purely happy with recent events. They want to make this about torture or play very odd "but but but Bush" games. But Only one President ordered this killing. If it was all about water boarding, why did we not have Bin Laden 7 years ago when torturing detainees started? Hmmmmm. Good question.

I hope *conservatives run a pro torture Christian candidate in 2012 so we can here their twisted "how would Jesus torture" logic.

Look at these guys implode :-D. This is Epic Failure in plain view.

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Oh kevin, kevin, kevin....

The intelligence gathered at during the enhanced interrogation process took time only gave us the names. It took time for the intelligence community to put the pieces together. But then, I wouldn't expect someone of limited intelligence such as yourself to understand that. As is with most liberals, you don't have a clue, so why don't you just bugger off, you insignificant little jaggoff.....

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Kawfi

I can't read your mixture of sentences! Sorry.

Why didn't you call these fellows some unusual names--that would tell them off!

How would Jesus torture, someone asked?
He wouldn't heal them I suppose!

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Joe. Lashing out again?

Just how intelligent is any aspect of your argument, Joe? You have a tag line below your post of Government being "a necessary evil" and "intolerable," yet you are now the spokesman for the effective nature of government-sponsered torture? Like I said, you are a one-trick poney who serves as the stereotypical grumpy *conservative. Actually, my apology to grumpy conservatives because they did not deserve that slur. You are a one-off that I imagine no particular group would care to take credit for. You said:
" It took time for the intelligence community to put the pieces together."

You might tell your fellow Osama mourners that 7 year waits are just fine. Morgan and his fellow mourners of Osama seem to be fretting over a few month delay. Anywho, I will step aside and let you continue mourning the fact that President Obama is THE ONE who gave the order which killed Osama bin Laden. He reformed the OBL task force. He focused efforts on Pakistan just as he promised he would do in the campaign. You might recall that debate moment where John McCain felt it would be wreckless to act in Pakistan without their approval.

What a great day; a great week; a great season for non-politically myopic Americans.

MAy I offer you a tissue? :-D

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Kevin

I’m glad he ordered the Seals to kill Osama, but after two years of destroying our ability to interrogate prisoners and then making a sham of our military judicial system, killing him was the only choice we had.
Now go crawl back under your rock, you miserable little jaggoff.

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Joe Kawfi

Kevin and others seem to bring out the 'best' from this poster. Sadly, not much to draw from.

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Joe coughy. Queen of the meltdown :-D

Crawl back in my hole, Joe? I'm not the one hiding in plain sight like Osama. You are the nameless, faceless, hurler of insults who has never in your blogging life had the stones to meet any of your fellow bloggers. So, WHO is in a hole of misery? Under a GOP rock of dispair? In a bat cave of bluster? A closet of contempt? A cabinet of calamity? I can go on.... Shall I?

A fog of dispair? An attic of anonymity?

Cheers to you and me, Joe! OUR PRESIDENT FINALLY GAVE THE ORDER AND APPROVED THE PLAN THAT GOT OSAMA BIN LADEN! Hip hip hurray!

And to think. Some people didn't think much about OBL these days.....

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Kevin have pity on Joe

Joe has graciously displayed his laughable knowledge and comprehension of world events: "... after two years of destroying our ability to interrogate prisoners and then making a sham of our military judicial system...", for our evaluation.

Joe has spoken! We mere mortals shouldn't question because if we do, Joe will call us a bad name. Oh, the horror.

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Uhh...Kevin?
kevink wrote:

I love this. We have found a whole group of local citizens who refuse to be purely happy with recent events. They want to make this about torture or play very odd "but but but Bush" games. But Only one President ordered this killing. If it was all about water boarding, why did we not have Bin Laden 7 years ago when torturing detainees started? Hmmmmm. Good question.

I hope *conservatives run a pro torture Christian candidate in 2012 so we can here their twisted "how would Jesus torture" logic.

Look at these guys implode :-D. This is Epic Failure in plain view.

Kevin please state what statements I have made in reference to Torture, Waterboarding etc.. in relation to this event?

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Observer. I clearly noted two different groups of unhappy *cons

The "Torture made this possible" crowd, and the "but but but Bush" crowd.

You have said this:

"If it were not for the persistence of Bush on this Kinetic Military Operation fighting those Manmade Disasters while considering the Overseas contingency actions then this day would not have arrived."

And you said this to Jeff C:

"Jeff the exact same thing you guys said of Bush
of the "Mission Accomplished" is my guess. That's the political blame game for you."

Observer, you are clearly a "but but but Busher."

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Ok Kevin I will own up to that one.

I suppose I am so used to you guys saying but, but, but Bush it rubbed off.

But at least this time it was deserved.

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STOP THE PRESSES, new headline

STOP THE PRESSES, new headline,

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Observerofu Puppy-Trained by KevinK

I wouldn’t have believed it if I didn’t read it for myself!

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Who gets the $25 million bounty for Bin Laden?

Maybe the Obama administration should give part of the $25 million award for information leading to Bin Laden to the interrogators who did the waterboarding and got the necessary leads.

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Let's give it to the Seals. Wouldn't they be surprised!

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Probably better to give it to General /Gummint Motors

With that kind of money they could subsidize the Volt and get the sales price below $40,000. Pretty good for a glorified golf cart.

Mine cost $2,500 and I go anywhere I want in this beautiful city, Went to Kroger and Fresh Market today and how nice that was. Wonderful weather. Good people. $4 drugs. Freshly ground coffee. Hummus, olives, sushi and cheesecake. Already had Bushmill's at home, but could have picked that up on the golf cart if I needed some. Life here is good.

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25 Mil

Obama isn't even man enough to admit that the interrogation policies of the Bush administration were primarily responsible for the downfall of Obama. He's just a scared little boy that will only serve one term.

Obama bin Biden - He really puts the "dim" in dhimmitude.

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Joe - While

I would like to agree that Mr. Obama will be a one term President; it is highly unlikely he will be voted out of office in 2012.

He has way too much money to use for his re-election.

He is currently campaigning on OSB and will have a "big event" tomorrow at ground zero. If someone doesn't think this is a political event they are completely naive.

He hasn't passed up any opportunity to campaign including this one. Just turn on a camera and he'll be there.

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A victory lap indeed

Why is it now OK to use Ground Zero? A bit unseemly. If he wants to do a memorial I'm all for it. He could do it on the Whitehouse lawn, Battery Park etc.. but to do it there is clearly stringing it out. I suppose as Charlie Sheen would say "WINNING".

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I disagree. One event masterminded by the CIA and military does not a President make. Unless he is able to get oil prices down and employment up, I don't think he stands a chance. There are just too many domestic issues that he is fumbling miserably that will send people to the polls to vote him out.

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Nothing on the face of this earth that President Obama might do would make him a President in your eyes!

Even if he turned out to be "The Second Coming," he would be unfit in your eyes!

Nothing, absolutely nothing, he could do, have done, or help do would garner any praise from you whatsoever!

He is a black democrat and that does it for everything, forever.

Even President Bush did one good thing--he kept the banks from failing!