Obama's Critics Win a Round

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Obama's Critics Win a Round

Since January, he has arrogantly wagged his finger as he demonizes Congressman Paul Ryan and the Republican budget saying: "This is a vision that says up to 50 million Americans have to lose their health insurance in order for us to reduce the deficit. And who are those 50 million Americans? Many are someone's grandparents who wouldn't be able afford nursing home care without Medicaid. Many are poor children. Some are middle-class families who have children with autism or Down's syndrome. Some are kids with disabilities so severe that they require 24-hour care. These are the Americans we'd be telling to fend for themselves."

This is a statement that on its face is a lie. Obama knows the Ryan budget would spend billions on these very programs.

Of course, what more would you expect from a "president" that tells bald-faced lies on an almost daily basis and uses fear mongering in a pathetic attempt to villify true leaders that are trying to get our country back on the road to prosperity. Obama - what a jaggoff.

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Oh Joe it's just more of let's scare granny.

it what the Liberals have loaded in their guns. They're like the Barney Fife of Politics. One bullet. one theme.

What is however extremely funny, Granny is now part of the Teaparty.
The elderly makes up a major portion of the teaparty because they see what they and others are and have been doing to their grandkids future.

For awhile they fell for the "Granny gonna eat dogfood" scare tactics then they saw Democrats vote to increase their taxes and Democrats not approve COLA increases. Then came the realization that the Country's debt is mortgaging their grandkids future and just what party and which President is racking up record debt?

Guess what it wasn't Bush. He was bad but Obama makes him look like an amateur.

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observe

The president may be the only one looking after granny and your kids!

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Not the President's job roundone

His job is to secure the Country from threats both Domestic and Foreign.

His job is to be the spokesman for the people of this Country.

His job is to oversee the growth of our Country's assets.

On these he has failed miserably.

His job is not to take care of my family. That's my job.

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You make no sense! Trying to limit a President's job to only the Constitution!
Even you don't believe that!

No president has ignored the people who need help from those who would take advantage of them. It is a matter of quantity of help and quality of the help.

As to growth of assets, I don't know how that got to be his job!
Assets are far more than dollars. The United States has more real assets than any country on the face of the earth. The only president to ever slow inflation or debt was Bill Clinton, and that was fabricated somewhat.

As to President Obama creating the vast debt, how did he do all that in 2 years? He did stop a Depression for certain and has already gotten most of that loan back!
Even GM announced yesterday that they are going to now pay off their debt to the USA! Many banks are again making a fortune due to loans and have paid their debts to the USA.

Be thankful we didn't get another klutz who only listens to oil and bank interests.

I know he is half black and scary to some but he is understandable of what really made this country what it is---not capitalism but people.

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If you even believe half of what you said

here it would mean debate would be impossible with you.

There is no factual doubt about the Debt roundone. Obama's and the Democrat congress spent $4.3 TRILLION in deficit spending and committed us to $10 TRILLION more over the next 10 years. ALL DEFICIT SPENDING.

His deficit dwarfs Bush's by a factor of 3.

First go read Thomas Paine's Common Sense then go read the Constitution and Bill of Rights and get back to me.

btw- Tell me why the great economic engine that Russia, Venezuela or heck just about any other Country that Capitalism is not the driving force does so well? The people the American People is Capitalism roundone.

Hint:The question is a rhetorical one.

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Can't come up with the 4.3 trilion

The 10 trillion is pure speculation depending on tomorrow's actions!
You are hopeless and helples. It all came from BUSH.

Soon, the part loaned to banks and cars will all be paid back with interest!

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koolaid drinker and "pothead" too

you must be smoking something there but the rest of us will move right along.

Never let facts stand in the way and all that:

"As of Jan. 4, 2007, the national debt was $8,670,596,242,973.04 (8.67 trillion), according to the Bureau of the Public Debt, a division of the U.S. Treasury Department. At the close of business on Oct. 22, it stood at $13,667,983,325,978.31 (13.67 trillion), an increase of 4,997,387,083,005.27 (or approximately $5 trillion)."BPD

I actually gave him Bush's stimulus plan of $860 Billion that Obama signed.

So $4.3 Trillion.

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OOU

So you are saying that between the time President Obama took office, JAN 2009 and OCT 2010, President Obama overspent 4.3 trillion?

The wars were "of the books."

Now you know better than that! What are you trying to prove? That Bush didn't overspend at all?

I'm afraid you are wanting to believe all those FOX numbers thrown around.

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Bureau of the Public Debt roundone

issued the statement of debt. They are part of the US Treasury.

Now are you saying roundone that the US Treasury is part of Fox News?

The $5 Trillion DOES NOT INCLUDE THE WARS with the exception of Libya. That's a new one that is now over and above the $5 Trillion they stated.

Why do you think I have been screaming that Obama added more to National Debt in his first 18 Months than all Presidents from Washington through Reagan COMBINED.

I know how you liberals hate facts but those are just that....facts.

Bush and the Democrat Congress spent money like there was no tomorrow, however Obama and the Democrat Congress made sure there was no tomorrow.

btw- My Statement "The people, the American People is Capitalism" is fairly clear. The American Entrepreneurial spirit is embodied in Capitalism. That free market spirit is what made America what it is.

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I'm sorry, but I can't respond to such gobberish as:

"The people the American people is Capitalism"

"read Common Sense, Constitution, and Bill of Rights and get back to me"

"Obama's and the democrat congress"

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OofU, bin Laden been gotten!

OofU, have you heard, Osama bin Laden been gotten! How about that?

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Yep was up until 1 or 2 am watching

Great job General Petraeus, our military and Special Forces. Kudos

Mess with America and it might take 10 years but eventually your butt gets dusted.

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A message for joekawfi and observerofu

Joekawfi. Honestly, you have made yourself into a bit of a joke; a one trick poney. So you are quite easily ignored. you have a right to hate the president for whatever reason you choose. You call us all names. Nothing new. Observerofu serves as your ditto echo chamber; no surprise there either. It's your right as Americans.

But let's look at what we have here. OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD. And Observerofu thanks General Patraeus and the military. For him, General Petraeus is as close to a president as observer has. He can't thank The Commander in Chief. Can't even hack up his pflegm ball of hatred long enough to thank the man who gave the order.

To jokekawfi, observerofwhoever, and the Tea Party: Your anti-govt, anti-Obama, and, quite often, negative messages about America having lost its greatness.... COULD NOT BE MORE HOLLOW.

God Bless this nation. God Bless the families and friends of 9/11 victims. And as many try to derail every single thing our nation's President tries to accomplish, God Bless The President of The United States; as much an American-born patriot as any other native son among us.

Gentlemen, time to go back to the drawing board to figure out just how to make this guy out to be the "weak on terror" "unamerican" guy you so desperately want him to be perceived as.

And Observer, as an aside, how popular is that Ryan budget amongst even *conservatives? Do you ever get tired of eating your words?

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kevink, OofU and some of the

kevink, OofU and some of the others will be a little vague, until their instructions on what they are allowed to say, comes down from the Koch Brothers and communicated to them via Faux News.

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kevink what a chump you are

to assert I did not give props to Obama. I most certainly did, he deserves it. But you my friend and the other left progressives do not. All of a sudden you guys want to beat your chest and chant USA, USA.

My question to you is where were you a few years ago?

Your left leaning colleagues have denigrated the Military and Bush over and over. Do I need remind you of Murtha's words calling out troops murderers or even Obama's own words over Air raiding villages and terrorizing civilians? T name but just a FEW.

Now all of sudden when it's your guy in place now the War was worth it. Dude your statement is not worth my spit.

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Observerofu's "props"
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kevink what a chump you are to assert I did not give props to Obama. I most certainly did, he deserves it.

Yeah, we saw your 'props', little man.

Observerofu wrote:

...Obama deserves props for continuing a War he voted against but ....The real bump should go to ...

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Keep thumping your chest bacon

finally are you guys proud of America?

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Observer: Your logic is not worth your spit.

You can't be trained, observer. You have been mis-programmed from the factory and you have no means by which to receive correcting input.

"Now all of sudden when it's your guy in place now the War was worth it. Dude your statement is not worth my spit."

"The war." "The War." "The war."

In your mind, somehow, there is but one war; a war "us guys" have always opposed.

Problem is, observenothing, there is a war in Afghanistan which virtually the whole country, including myself, supported.

So what war are you referring to as "the war?"

And which "war" has always been focused on killing Osama Bin Laden?

I have lost hope for you.... the Tea Party is doomed with such logic free support.

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kevin first let me apologize for the chump remark

I was caught up in the emotion of the moment and didn't take a step back first.
Falling into the same old routine that Bacon often uses is easy, sometimes too easy. So I do offer a sincere apology.

Obama did the right thing. He signed an op plan order for the capture/elimination of Bin Laden. For that he get's kudos. I am concerned the plan apparently sat on his desk for 2-3 months before that action, but that is a debate for another day.

My issue is and always has been the derogation of the Military by the Progressive left. For 8 long years we have heard your side call them murderers, terrorist, cold blooded killers etc...

Now that the Military has handed Obama a political windfall all of a sudden the Progressive left is in the streets pretending to love the troops now.

All day I have heard Obama got Bin Laden from some of the very same people that have been calling our troops killers. Now oh now they just love them.

As I said and I fervently believe Obama deserves the kudos but it's our Men and Women in the Military who planned the mission, executed the mission and brought Bin Laden to Justice, not Obama.

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KevinK, Observerofu does have a point!

Kevin, I don't know how closely you've been following the news, but Observerofu DOES have a point: President Obama has lost control of the military!

(Oberserverofu Spin Mode)
Case #1:
Last night, in the sleepy town of Cold Springs, NY, residents were awakened at midnight by an incredible roar coming from the USMA ("West Point") directly across the Hudson River, over 1 MILE away. The good people of Cold Springs claimed it was the first time in the 200+ year history of the town they had been able to hear noise from the Academy! The Corps of Cadets obviously has no respect for civilians!

Case #2:
In direct defiance of standing "lights out" orders at 11 p.m., the midshipmen of the US Naval Academy held an impromptu celebration outside their barracks last evening. They even refused to stand at attention as the National Anthem was sung! LINK to video This never would have happened had a Republican been in the White House!

(/Oberserverofu Spin Mode)

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OofU, do tell, 2 AM, that

OofU, do tell, 2 AM, that late! You are superman! Tell me, is the Tea Party going to split their time demanding to see ‘bin Laden's death certificate or are they going to work full time to kill Medicare (heh, heh,)… “, to make America free again?”

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Petraeus had nothing to do with this trip to Pakistan. He did what he was ordered to do once the CIA determined the location---he ordered everyone to cooperate with the Pentagon and supply whatever aid the Seals and helicopters needed.

The little details such as killing him for sure, taking the body, disappearing the body so no memorials could be built arouinf the body, etc., certainly did not come from thje General. From CIA department heads, maybe. Obama had to say yes, it sounds as if we should, go ahead Gates.

Petraeus is being move into the CIA early so as to not be blamed a year or two from now that we made no progress in forming a good Afgham goverment!
What did we accomplish if we didn't leave it different than it was when we went in--there are and will be plenty of Al Quieda and Taliban left and they will continue to run everything with a figurehead leader.

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We'll see OOU

"House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan on Friday dismissed the impact of the coming Senate vote on his budget plan, saying Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is “playing politics” by holding a vote on the House budget after the recess."

Paul Ryan: Harry Reid playing politics with Senate vote on 2012 budget

What??? The House passed a budget and they accuse Reid of playing politics by bringing it up for a vote?

Did you catch Alan West's townhall meeting? West’s staff did not allow constituents to get anywhere near a microphone.

Granny isn't going to be drinking that tea very much longer.

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Birthers calling Obama a liar? LOL

I love it when birthers call Obama a liar. They don't even recognize the irony of their lying about Obama for years.

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Now Jeff....

Each of us, including you, knows that Mr Obama has been caught in more than one lie since his Presidency. Wasn't it Joe Wilson who pointed it out at a State of the Union and proven correct? Hint: It had a little to do with federal funding for abortion.

Could it be that your spin has him as simply being mistaken? I'm no birther, but don't piss down my back and try telling me it's raining (Outlaw Josie Wales).

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About as bad as the Truthers there Jeff

The only difference is Media coverage.

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Media coverage

That's because the Dems don't have the network television stations and the entire radio spectrum to broadcast their lies.

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Dang spit take again I got to quit drinking coffee

when I read this stuff.

Nah.... NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, NPR, and a host of Sat left are sooooo unbiased.

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Naturally OOU

Naturally you would consider news organizations that report real news as biased since reality is biased against you.

How about Obama getting bin Laden! Bump in the polls coming...

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It wasnt obama

He did not get him. He deserves a big zero in the poles. It was our military experts that give everything for us. No credit to obama, he surely never served and knows nothing about serving in the military.

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Like it or not normal

The President gets the credit. Have you see the crowds gathering around the White House?

Congratulations to the SEALs!

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Huge white house crowds!

Some serious celebrating going on in Washington DC tonight.

Meanwhile, back here in Fayette county, sour faced partisan wingnuts plot their strategery to prevent President Obama from receivin' any credit for this triumph.

I heard "Normal" wants to see the long-form death certificate...

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Yes Crispy

Did you read the Townhall article Joe started this blog with?

Obama was directing the operation to kill bin Laden and the top Republican candidates were chasing a birth certificate as if it mattered. Their top opinion magazine celebrates Obama releasing a document which proves the Townhall columnists and birthers have been wrong and/or lying for two years and they want to "Score one for the Birthers". Why they chose this issue is beyond me. It makes them look like silly people chasing moonbeams.

The contrast is striking.

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Guantanamo detainees gave up bin laden

Bin Laden was found at luxurious Pakistan compound

They were led to the fortress-like three-story building after more than four years tracking one of bin Laden's most trusted couriers, whom U.S. officials said was identified by men captured after the September 11, 2001 attacks.

"Detainees also identified this man as one of the few al Qaeda couriers trusted by bin Laden. They indicated he might be living with or protected by bin Laden," a senior administration official said in a briefing for reporters.

Let's see now, Obama wanted to close Guantanamo, and try the detainees in civilian court. Thank goodness GW Bush was in office at the time, otherwise we may have never received this important tip.

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Yep, Obama was directing the operation for sure

The CIA and others located the house in February and confirmed that BinLaden's courier and his brother were living there and Obama had 5 NSC meetings to discuss all this and finally in April says ok and the Seals are in and out in 40 minutes. I would have preferred that he skipped the time spent on the birth certificate and moved the schedule up instead of wasting more time.

I can't wait until we hear from those involved about how frustrating it must have been to wait 3 full months for the politicians to decide what to do. I read somewhere that interrogations at Guantanamo and elsewhere led to either the courier or the house. Wonder if Prezbo still wants to shut that place down. I also find it very hard to believe that Pakistan - our ally, sort of, didn't know he was living there. That's what all that hysteria over the drones was all about.

Terrific job Seals. Shows once again that boots on the ground are essential to any war effort.

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Morgan

You gave Bush credit for all the Bull Crap about, "hunt em down, snoke em out," an producing nothing, but none for the Current President for getting the job done.

Tere is a big difference in Bravo stuff and doing a little thinking!

Bet you lak rasslin and nascarrin!

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There is not a Townhall article like the the one named in your quote. I have never mentioned a word about Obumbles birth certificate - You libs sure do love to make stuff up.

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Let's let the bloggers here decide Joe
Joe Kawfi wrote:

There is not a Townhall article like the the one named in your quote. I have never mentioned a word about Obumbles birth certificate - You libs sure do love to make stuff up.

Well Joe, I would refer you to, Townhall Magazine, "Obama's Critics Win a Round", by Floyd and Mary Beth Brown

"But the capstone was this week when he attacked the grassroots movement of millions of Americans that for nearly three years have been calling for the release of his long form birth certificate. In his statement spoken from the White House he said, "We're not going to be able to do it if we spend time vilifying each other. We're not going to be able to do it if we just make stuff up and pretend that facts are not facts. We're not going to be able to solve our problems if we get distracted by sideshows and carnival barkers."

"In one breath he does both. He calls for us to end vilifying each other and then he vilifies grassroots citizens as "sideshows and carnival barkers."

"His refusal to send a short letter to the Hawaii Department of Health requesting his birth certificate for all these many months has undermined his credibility and created the perception that he is dishonest. It has also done immeasurable damage to the media that has slavishly protected him. Political figures lose when they refuse to be transparent and open."

"Score one for the so-called "Birthers"."

There is a link to the article at the top of this blog if you ever want to read it. I'm sure you can find it if you look in your initial post.

So, did I make it up Joe or was it in the article that you posted?

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You changed the wording to try to make yourself sound credible. First you quoted, incorrectly "score one for the birthers", then you quoted the actual article, which said "score one for the so-called "Birthers".

Two completely diffent statements. One give support to the birther movement (your quote), and the other puts "Birther" in quotes, because that is what you libs call all Repulicans.

Face it Jeff- you changed the wording completely to change the meaning of the statement and now don't have the balls to admit it.

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LOL. Like I said Joe

Your reading skills and comprehension abilities are in doubt. As I said, I'm letting the bloggers decide. It's right here for everyone to see for themselves.

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Yes Jeff, Thank you to the Seals

And to the men and womem in the intelligence community

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norma?

You should know that you have the understandng of a Possum!

Either that or you simply want attention for your ignorance!

No more from me.

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Again normal, the Poles were not involved. Nor were the Czechs,

Hungarians or even the Paki's - thank God.

Obama did take credit which he should get for green-lighting the raid, but you will notice that the raid was under the "Command" of CIA Director (soon to be Sec Def) Leon Panetta. Just guessing if we had a failure like Carter did in Iran, there would not have been a huge announcement from the White House last night - just "8 die in helicopter crash"

That being said, normal, Mr. Obama's poll numbers will be going up as he milks this very important accomplishment for all he can. Sadly for him the story will fade long before 2012. Privately, I'll bet he's upset we didn't capture the scumbag alive so he could be put on trial somewhere, say about Sept. 2012 just in time for another spike in poll numbers.

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RobertMorgan. No other way to ask.. Are you a serious person?

"Sadly for him the story will fade long before 2012."

Now, my friend, I don't want to speak to 9/11's impact on your life, but speaking for myself, the death of Osama Bin LAden is kind of a big deal. And it won't be fading any time soon. All we will have to do is look at the price tag in American lives, allied lives, Muslem lives, and capital.

I seriously can't believe you even had the nerve to suggest this death will not have long-range significance...... wow.

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Yes it is a big deal. Yes, the story will fade by 2012 election.

Sure it is a big deal putting this scumbag down, but the story does not have legs. There is simply no future in the story of killing BinLadin. It happened, it is great and it is over. Sure everyone will have some follow up and a few new facts will emerge, but long term it will settle down. Think about it. What else can possible happen? The body floats to the surface? They find his IRA account? No, nothing to advance the story except the rehash.

Now 9/11 is a different matter. That has huge ramifications to this day. Killing him is a big deal, but it is a singular event in that larger story. Just like capturing the other guy - although was a 2-pronged story because of the flap about the trial's location.

That's why Obama is so subdued about this. He is using Bush-era techniques and people and while he gets some credit, it is hard to make anyone believe that the Obama credit will extend to the election in 2012. And of course there will be another terror attack - possibly in retaliation for killing BinLadin and Obama will catch all the blame for that one. Obama and Homeland Security will take that one on the chin.

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Morgan proves me right!!
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DERP DERP DERP Sure it is a big deal putting this scumbag down, but the story does not have legs. There is simply no future in the story of killing BinLadin. It happened, it is great and it is over.

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DERP DERP DERP And of course there will be another terror attack - possibly in retaliation for killing BinLadin and Obama will catch all the blame for that one. Obama and Homeland Security will take that one on the chin.

Wow...not even an hour after I posted the five possible Wingnut attempts to downplay bin Laden's death, along comes Rino W. Morgan, yammering Talking Point #1 ("It Doesn't Matter!") AND Talking Point #3 ("Reprisals are ALL OBAMA's FAULT!").

Thank you so much for proving my point, Morgan!

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R W M: I'll only say this:

1) I am not wishing a terroristic attack on the country.

and 2): Gone are the days of campaign ads calling our President weak on the battle against Islamic extremists.

Who is going to be our next President, in your opinion?

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Rose colored glasses

Need take them off for awhile Jeff the World is different then your view.

I guess you still believe the CBS story on Bush's Military service huh? Yep that was some unbiased reporting right there or the 70% negative reporting from NBC on Bush vs. the 80% favorable for Obama during the election cycle or the unbiased reporting on the teaparty.

Or that fact that the majority of (sic) Journalist vote democrat.

“I believe it is true that a significant chunk of the press believes that Democrats are incompetent but good-hearted, and Republicans are very efficient but evil.”
— Wall Street Journal political editor John Harwood on the April 23, 2005 Inside Washington

Obama deserves props for continuing a War he voted against but for you to automatically swing it political is not surprising.

The real bump should go to our Men and Women in the Armed services, the CIA, who you might remember you guys wanted to prosecute and our Special Forces. Props should go out to General Petraeus whom you remember was dubbed by you guys General Betrayus.

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Observer... Just so you are not allowed to spread untruths

"Obama deserves props for continuing a War he voted against but for you to automatically swing it political is not surprising."

The killing of Osama Bin Laden had NOTHING to do with the war we declared on Iraq. Very dishonest of you to conflate the two. Here is what President Obama told the VFW back in 2009 reported by Stephanie Condon:

"The war in Afghanistan is "fundamental to the defense of our people," President Obama said Monday, addressing the Veterans of Foreign Wars conference in Phoenix, Ariz. -- but the fight will not be easy.

"The insurgency in Afghanistan didn't just happen overnight. And we won't defeat it overnight," the president said. "But we must never forget. This is not a war of choice. This is a war of necessity. Those who attacked America on 9-11 are plotting to do so again. If left unchecked, the Taliban insurgency will mean an even larger safe haven from which al Qaeda would plot to kill more Americans."

Let's not make up our own facts observer.

"Props should go out to General Petraeus whom you remember was dubbed by you guys General Betrayus."

Observerofu: Who put out an advertisement with the term "Betrayus?" Did Jeff Carter have ANYTHING AT ALL to do with that group? If you want to attack Moveon.org, then be man enough to call them by name, but your very broad paint roller of inaccuracy does not go unnoticed. Is there an honest bone in your body, or must you try to twist any and everything to make points unsupported by facts?

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Oh so he was for it before he was against it

then once elected for it again kevin? This is what you are saying?

He voted to de-fund the Wars kevin this is what I referenced. If you mistook what I meant, sorry.

"Senator Obama ... after promising not to vote to cut off funds for the troops, did the incredible thing of voting to cut off the funds for the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan"

Obama was very clear in his campaign about getting us out of both Afghanistan and Iraq. He did say once that Afghanistan was the war we should be in, but then pushed for an exit strategy for leaving as early as the end of his first year. What if he had of kept that promise?

All I am saying here kevin while you and other Libs are slapping each other on the back, pounding your chest and all that, remember Obama didn't pull the trigger our Navy Seals did that.

So while you guys go on and congratulate yourselves and Obama I will continue to congratulate our troops who really deserve the credit.

You guys will quickly forget the troops as soon as the warm glow of the political windfall wanes. You always have and always will.

btw- You guys were quick to claim moveon.org was your political arm and represented your views. Some here quote them quiet often.

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You are absolutely right Observerofu..

"You guys will quickly forget the troops as soon as the warm glow of the political windfall wanes. You always have and always will."

I am forgetting the troops as we speak. I truly rarely think of them. No libs do. Why, I don't know if we have ever had a democtratic senator, congressman, or president who has ever cared for troops or been amongst their ranks wearing the uniform.

When you think and talk in platitudes, observer, you can tend to miss the oh so important details. Good luck with your ideas and ideology. May they find a champion in time for 2012.

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My glasses are black iridium OOU

A story that is wrongly reported by a news station and corrected is a little different from a TV station run by the former head of a political party as a propaganda wing of that Party.

Of course most reporters vote Democratic. They are highly informed, aware of what's going on and follow world and national events.

Politics? Yep. This is a hate Obama site. The story starting off this forum is a hate Obama piece and a stupid one at that. Did you read it? "Score one for the Birthers"? LOL. What was their great victory? That they lied and lied and lied about the President's birth certificate until he released more hospital records proving that he was right all along and that the Birthers were lying and wrong. Some victory. Score one for the Birthers for being howling-at-the-moon lunatics.

Then they moved on to their next oh so pressing issue, the release of Obama's college transcripts.

President Obama has made them look like the small minded total fools that they are.

My guys didn't call him General Betrayus. MoveOn was criticizing my guys. My guys appointed General Petrayus as Commander, International Security Assistance Force and Commander, U.S. Forces Afghanistan.

As to credit for killing bin Laden, what would old Joe and the rest of the bloggers here be saying if the operation had gone wrong? Would you all be saying that it wasn't Obama's fault? Yeah, right....

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Jeff the exact same thing you guys said of Bush

of the "Mission Accomplished" is my guess. That's the political blame game for you.

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Observer -

Give credit where credit is due. At least Obama didn't completely botch the mission like the feckless Carter did on the Iran Hostage crisis.

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Joe what I think is funny is that

during Bush's reign as President the left constantly criticized him for every loss and every success. Now that it's a democrat that hold that seat they get all indignant when some of the same remarks come back at them.

It's not he right that constantly blames the Military for every action that plays badly on the 6 o'clock news.

It's not the right that takes an event from a few bad apples and uses it to tar the entire Military.

It's not the right that jumps on the bandwagon calling our troops murderers without gathering even the minimum of evidence.

It's not the right that makes statements comparing our Men and Women to terrorist.

No that's only on the left. Now don't get me wrong there are left leaning Military service members that love the service and love their Country.

However it is their ideological brothers doing so, but now all of a sudden the Military is their flavor of the day. Tomorrow the Military will be lying dogs, baby killing, warmongers they know and despise.

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Obama Gets Boost From Death of Bin Laden: NBC Poll

"A new NBC News poll showed that the president's job approval rating ticked up to 52 percent after the successful strike against al Qaeda's leader. That's just three percentage points higher than the approval rating he received in April, before the raid."

http://www.cnbc.com/id/42934735

Bush got a 9 point bounce for Saddam's capture. At this rate KSM had better watch out for that attempted prison break where he gets shot attempting to escape. Obama might get another 2-3 points.

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Inevitable OOU

But temporary. The political value comes later with the ads and the blunting of the "Dems are weak on foreign policy" mantra. A strong defense might be a Dem issue in 2012. Who would have ever thought that?

Romney is breaking his pattern of not going to Iowa. He is in. It's over. It's Mitt. It's going to be fun though.

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Jeff: Romney

I think you are incorrect about Romney being the republican candidate.

There are several reasons for this. One, there aren't enough bedrooms at the White House for his family. Two, his family once made Ramblers and Nashes, I think.

Third, he would never shoot an ICBM into the stratosphere, afraid some relative would be hit.
Fourth, his Father played 18 holes of golf in 30 minutes by running between shots and not aiming his putts well! He never drank beer.

Fifth, he screwed up his state's health plan (not Utah) and it needs reworking already. Of course he could change his philosophy on this as he has done on most other things he was for.

Anyway, Newt has it wrapped up! He knows exactly what to say to his fellow conservatives that they want to hear. Of course Newt can't win, but his contacts will pay him even better for the publicity.

It doesn't matter anyway, the conservative candidate, whomever it is, will not win anyway! They all have to suffer for a long time for their screw up of our economy and unnecessary wars.

The sooner Georgia learns this the better we will be also. Deal, Ugh!

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Not bad at all!

Latest AP poll shows President Obama's approval rating jumping to 60%, the highest in 2 years. LINK

Observerofjews and Joe Coughy will be along shortly to explain how this is terrible news for President Obama.

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Stop Watching TV!

if you want a real life! I haven't watched TV in many years and am a better Ninja for it! If you think the media exists to supply the public with real news, you are wrong! The media exists to run commercials to influence our purchasing habits! Break free! You would be better off reading or sitting on a rock thinking! Fight back, buy only store brands, or nothing at all!

I think Stephen Butler Leacock said it best when he said, 'Advertising may be described as the science of arresting the human intelligence long enough to get money from it.

Way to go Braves--Conrad turns the dial back to 2010!

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So Ninja Guy... tell us

Did you hear the Braves game on the radio?

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Yes, a liar

Obama is not only a liar, but a pathological liar. What is amazing his how the lies flow so smoothly from his mouth. And the liberal media is all too willing to sop it up.

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But grizz he is clean and well spoken

Like the grizz picture. I think it was the Vice President who said barack is clean and well spoken. So he is a well spoken clean liar. It comes with the job. Just like being in the senate. You have to learn to lie for a living. Oh and steal money with a straight face. We need someone in the white house who isnt kissing the asses of the union bosses like barack. Someone who will tell it like it is and stop this madness. Evey year it gets worse. Really sucks doesnt it. Happy May day.

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Grizz and normal: As you morn the loss of your credibility...

Let me rejoice, again, in your suffering :-D. I love this. The non-christian (Muslem actually) Kenyan-born President who did not really even go to Harvard is a liar. Oh, and he took 30 Naval vessels to India at a cost of $2 billion. You guys are instructors in Clown 101 class, and I love watching your nashing of teeth. What a horrible week for you guys.

First The Birth Certificate. Now O S A M A B I N L A D E N I S D E A D.

Oh Snap! You guys are going to be FORCED to suffer through weeks of positive stories about YOUR President. And, YES, HE IS your president too. Like it or don't.

Write some more bitter *republican stuff for me to laugh at. Please?

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♫♫ OB La Di, OB La Da, OBL Dead.... ♫♫

It's been a very bad week for the bottom feeders of Wingnut Nation, as evidenced by the number of sulking churlish posts here by the usual fringe-right suspects.

President Obama could cure cancer and develop an interstellar warp drive, but he'd still be referred to as "that *** EDITED AND WARNED *** president" at the dinner tables of Robert Morgan, Observerofu, Joe Kawfi, grizz and all the others...

It's been a good week for America, nonetheless!

♫♫ OB La Di, OB La Da, OBL Dead.... ♫♫

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You may be right

especially if while doing all that he bankrupted America and turned the Lincoln Memorial into a Chinese Fast Food joint.

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Ding dong the terrorist rag head is dead

Thank goodness the king rag head Osama Binladen is dead. Hope they display his body for the world to see

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Bin Laden

While some Americans discussed birth certificates, this administration :

Captured and killed a terrorist that killed over 3000 Americans

Stopped a depression

Started a difficult, but promising economic recovery

Garnered the support of Arab nations in stopping dictators from killing their own people.

Not bad for only three years in office. The American people are grateful to the Seals and our intelligence community for a difficult job well done. The new organization of our security team has a difficult job ahead of them. The War on Terror is not over.

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All for the low, low cost of $4 Trillion dollars

are you kidding me. He did all these things really? WOW... Obama is a God.

"On the cover of the latest issue of Newsweek editor Evan Thomas, who once said that Obama is “sort of God,” decided to now call Obama the “God of all things"

Speaking of wearing rose colored glasses.

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observerofu. Instead of calling the President God, best get busy

Finding someone who can beat him in 2012. Otherwise you will be forced to grumble through 4 more years.

"All for the low, low cost of $4 Trillion dollars"

Sorry if you don't think getting Osama Bin Laden was worth the expense. Most of us are smart enough to know that President Obama did not write all of those checks.....

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Disingenuous at best deceitful at worse

Kevin I was referring to Dmoms giving Obama credit on things like the "improving" economy stopping a depression, Arabic Nations just loving us and such nonsense.. For you to twist that is well so progressive of you.

Keep pounding your chest there kevin.

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Oou

To believers, there is only one God - and Obama is doing a pretty good job of reflecting God. What/who are you reflecting?

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Hi Davidsmom and fellow liberal thinkers.

What an incredible day! I still am in disbelief. After so many years of searching for this guy; so many distractions. We were able to, over years, bring our technology, intelligence, will, and determination to bear. And have no doubt that at the tip of the spear were the most brave human beings the planet Earth has known. I wish I could shine each and every one of their boots, but I'm not even worthy of that. I do hope that our fellow liberals remember that President Bush played a very large roll in this. He laid the groundwork, passed the torch, and we all won last night!

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Great day for the USA!

I don't care if it took almost 10 years or 20......DOA, scumbag freak. Congratulations to Obama, all the military intel, the SEALs, and even the "enhanced interrogators" at Gitmo who squeezed out the initial intel that helped put the wheels into motion.

I never thought I'd be so elated over another person's death, but I'm not sure Bin Laden qualified for personhood or humanity.

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Americans working together

United we stand!

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Well said, Hack.

From what I've heard it was the perfect operation - a bullet through the left eye, dump the body in the ocean, and not a single American casualty. Well, almost perfect - they had to scrap a helicopter. Small price.

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Maximus. I wish I could have been there!

But I would have just been out of breath and in the way :-). Hey, I could have carried some bodies though. Or held the helicopter door open.... or handed out water bottles, or pulled the chocks, or handed out gatorade...

What an operation.

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Agreed props and kudos to the Special Forces

Having a brother being a retired Seal he was jumping for joy, it was reported that it was Seal Team 6. No such animal, that is no such animal that is officially recognized.

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OofU & Seal Team Six

Perhaps we can just let "JSOC Forces" suffice, because there were more than just the "shooters" involved.

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Agreed AHG

either way just like the Somali Pirates this is the only way to deal with them. Talking with a 200gr 3250 fps sierra boattail from Lake city Armory works wonders for Diplomacy.

That's the only talking to they need.

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On this we can agree!

After all what could a squad of SEALS do without all of the supporting military involved, and of course the intelligence groups.

Don't want to sound like a local sheriff's office--mentioning 20 local jurisdictions who cooperated but did little, but facts are facts

The best way to destroy a good thing such as the Seals and Delta, is to pretend they are invincible and require no help. they are simply a special skill which is highly selective.

I remember a couple of fellows in my organization who left for SEAL training many years ago. (the predecessor to SEALS). They reported back to us for duty in three weeks!

The best way to recognize these fellows as a separate group is to assure they are taken care of when their tasks are completed.

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Google Seal Team 6

Very interesting history. Highly trained, highly intelligent Americans getting the recognition they deserve. Our best!

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Food for the fodder

"Officially, Team Six doesn't exist," says former Navy SEAL Craig Sawyer, 47, who advises Hollywood and acts in movies about the military.

Many things on the internet are well not really factual.

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Max & Kevin

Max, it was a "Double-tap"--not unusual course of action that situation. And Kevin, though we know the MH-60s came from Afghanistan, we don't know (or I haven't seen) who they belonged to--Spec Ops or Navy. May have been some TF-160 guys! Regardless, it worked and all got out safe, that's what's important.

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Props to The POTUS, Observer? How do you do this, my man?

Observerofu, How do you try to Jedi mind trick us into thinking we read what hasn't been written and we did not read what is right there in black and white? If by "chump" you mean "dazed and confused" by your slight of pen, you are correct.

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I'm proud today to be an American and I'm proud of Obama

I'm proud of those kids that went over there and did what they had to. We have grown some great children that we can be so proud of...and today, I feel those Rambo kids that did the deed are mine too.

Thank you for being what you are from the bottom of my heart and thank you Obama.

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Now observerofu: You know apologies are not in order.

Look at all the twists I've put on your name. I am a firm believer of "If ya aint rubbin ya aint racin." Not a problem. The broad brush / paint roller? Problem. Truly every main stream politician of every party including independents supported the War in Afghanistan which has always been the war against al Qaida and Osama bin Laden. Cherry pick procedural votes as you wish, but our President's actions, and my words in particular, have been in support of this campaign. I could easily say that the Tea Partiers chanting "Shut it down. Shut it Down" meant that they wanted to defund the govt and the military with it, making them anti military. But that just aint honest. Anyhow, every American should be happy today. And Bush, Obama, military member buck Sgt, midshipman, cadet to colonel should get glory and praise... even from Code Pink and Move-On. Let's see what those groups have to say. Should be interesting.

Cheers

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A step towards unity

As one listens to and reads the various news media , there is a feeling of our country moving together in a realization that we are all Americans who rejoice in the demise of the monster who took credit for killing 3000 American citizens. We can be unified, and still have different viewpoints and/ or opinions. With the real possibility of an act of terror dircted at Americans all over the world, we must be vigilant and
protect one another. . in our cities, when we travel etc.

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DM: vigilant

I keep hearing this word, "vigilant," and I don't think I know what it means in the context used on here.

What do you mean when you tell me to be vigilant? Don't p/u strangers?

If it is the airport screeners, everyone seems to hate that "vigilence!"

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Not so fast, Moms. We think the "demise" may be illegal

So far we can't determine whether Eric Holder was along on this operation in order to Mirandize binLadin before he was killed resisting arrest. He could still be over there - sure haven't seen him on the news since Sunday.

And vigilant we must be because as Rush said this afternoon, this action will be a recruiting windfall for new terrorists. Must be so since the whole reason to close Guantanamo was to take away the reason so many young terrorists signed up. Killing the head of the snake is bound to be viewed as 100 times worse. I swear, this President is a real cowboy. Look at what he's done now. We are really in for it.

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