A Day of RAGE in a city near you this weekend. New Black Panther Party to confront and boycott white businesses. Social Justice

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The now infamous video of the NBPP standing outside a voting precinct while brandishing nightsticks and Erik Holders decision to not prosecute
only emboldens the radicals. Now they want to rally for Social Justice rather they have the permits are not. But just chanting slogans and singing
Kumbayah is not on their agenda. You see the fight for Social Justice has to get a little bloody. "Every once and awhile
you need to get out on the streets and get a little bloody when necessary."
Rep. Michael Capuano (D-Mass.) The NBPP is only taking a page
from the Unions and Radicals Worldwide. So they want their "followers" to take to the streets and well "take the streets and businesses of all non-black
owners". They want a confrontation. They want chaos. For in Chaos CHANGE can be made. They see in the Middle East whole Governments toppling
and they want ours to topple as well. They want what's theirs, whatever they think that is.

So be careful this weekend folks, because the Leftwing Radicals will be in a City near you.

Don't worry Erik Holder won't prosecute if you beat a couple of crackers-NBPP website

NEW BLACK PANTHERS PLAN MASSIVE EGYPT-STYLE PROTEST & BOYCOTT OF ‘NON-BLACKS’-The Story

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Leftwing radicals are here????

Does Bacon know about this?

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They need to boycott the white house

Take their marching and boycott to the man in the white house. He and his hacks are bankrupting the good old usa. You dont pick on business that are just trying to get by. Vote for anyone who supports the fair tax

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FairTax again?

I'm coming around on the FairTax. Gasoline up another 24%, a tax on rents, and best of all it applies to the interest on all debt: mortgages, credit cards, student loans, etc. And some people still believe they'll get an instant 24% raise.

Go for it.

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Fair Tax Savings

Below are predicted savings based solely on business not needing as much administrative personnel to track tax records and a reduction of IRS personnel for the same purpose.

"A 2007 study by the Beacon Hill Institute found that the FairTax would save $346.51 billion in administrative costs and would be a much more efficient taxation system from the point of view of the administration, collection, and filing costs.[12]

One additional "cost" more difficult to quantify is the cumulative cost of business decisions made, not in the interest of delivering more/better product and services, but rather in tax avoidance behaviors. An example might be the purchase of a small company with tremendous financial losses just to avoid corporate income tax on the larger, more profitable business. With 60,000+ pages now in the tax code, the impact of these decisions both on individual companies and on the economy at large is doubtless significant."

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One additional "cost" more difficult to quantify is the cumulative cost of business decisions made, not in the interest of delivering more/better product and services, but rather in tax avoidance behaviors

Thanks for sharing this. We have become so consumed with 'taxes', that our productivity has suffered IMO. Sad.

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G35 Dude: Beacon Hill Inst. and the unFairTax

Interesting comment about the Beacon Hill Institute. I hadn't been aware that the BHI had branched out from their historical advocacy regarding "Smoking doesn't cause cancer!". I guess promotin' the flawed unFairTax is just a natural progression for them.

Here's an interesting link (PDF format, sorry) of a slideshow put together by the BHI. It contains the $345.6 billion savings claim, of course.

What interested me, though, were other slides:

  • Slide 19 said that the oft-mentioned "23% tax inclusive/30% tax exclusive" rates were actually 23.82% and 31.27% respectively. I don't know about you, but 23.82% seems a heckuva lot closer to 24% than 23%!!
  • Slide 20 claimed that the 30% unFairTax rate (23% inclusive) would NOT have been revenue-neutral in 2007 (a long time claim of the unFairTax supporters). It would have resulted in an additional budget deficit of almost 3%!
  • Slide 26 was the biggest eye opener: in order to not penalize state sales taxes, states must adjust their taxation structure to levy a tax on a product AFTER the unFairTax has been applied!! In other words, if you pay $5.00 for an item and a 30% unFairTax (for a total of $6.50), you'd then pay the 7% state tax on the $6.50 (NOT $5.00) or $6.96 out of pocket instead of $6.85, which is essentially raising the state sales tax to 9.2%!!
  • If, God forbid, the unFairTax was enacted then businesses would be forced to lower their employees salaries by 23% or raise their prices 23% to accomodate the unFairTax structure (JeffC got Neal Boortz to admit this). The BHI recognizes this as well, calling the employee pay-cut the "No Accomodation" scenario and the price raise/no employee pay-cut "Full Accomodation". "No Accomodation" is a worst-case scenario (for employees) while "Full Accomodation" is a best-case scenario (again, for employees).
  • Slide 16 of the BHI presentation is my argument AGAINST the unFairTax in a nutshell: In the BEST CASE scenario (i.e. "Full Accomodation"), a family of four earning $100K a year would pay $17,996 in unFairTax per year. Under the existing tax structure today, that same family would pay only $12,700. The BHI admits that the unFairTax would raise the tax burden on a typical family almost 50%. The Charlie Sheens and Paris Hiltons of the world, however, would have much more money to spend on cocaine!
  • Slide 31 plainly states that the "bottom 5 deciles" (aka "bottom 50%") of ALL Americans would pay more under the unFairTax. So much for "revenue neutrality", eh?

G35 Dude, thank you for bringing this important presentation to our attention. I've bookmarked it to use in the future when one of our resident mouthbreathers brings up that inanity called the unFairTax again!!

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Good To Hear Jeff...

...Now maybe a credentialed liberal like yourself and a realist like me will agree that some 60K pages IRS tax law is simply too much. Maybe we could compromise and have a "Flat Fair Tax." Something on the order of reducing the personnel strength of the IRS by 25% would be nice. Next would be that useless Department Of Education.

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Well then Jeff

The current system is a joke. The government continues to spend money they do not have. This by stealing it from we that work. The senate, and white house are both jokes to the entire world. We are bankrupt thanks to our government. Anything else you have been sleeping through. And just think even mexicans here illegally would pay their fair tax instead of no tax.

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Normal

how can you say about the schools ????

"Only a handfull maybe
There is probably only a handful of kids from out of county here.... We are talking about american citizens coming across the county line for a better education. WHO CARES. When we have 12 millions illegal mexicans running around and breeding like rabbits. Get your priorities straight."

you are over here saying ..

"This by stealing it from we that work."

I'm a little confused at your thought processing. It is ok to steal from Fayette county taxpayers by sending your kid across the line to go to school here? It is OK because you are US citizens? You are nuts!
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Every one has an opinion

I may be nuts suger, better be careful what you say. No one knows for sure if these kids have moved here or not. You can not go by license plates. There are many out of state tags at the schools. Do you want to track them down also. I dont have a problem with legal citizens wanting a better education. I will support mexicans coming here legally for a better life. I will never support illegal immigration. If thats nuts then I am.

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I better be careful?

Or what?

Many many different people have said they are here. One guy just said he has followed them ..down.. 74 to the schools because he leaves the airport that time of morning coming home. Do you think he is lying?

I have seen them. I have taken children home that have come home with my child. I crossed the line into Clayton county to take them home. Do you want me to spell it out for you? I reported them...nothing was done.

One was Hispanic and one was not.

Other parents have had the same experiences. You may want to educate them.. have at it. Why don't you move to Clayton since you are so liberal?

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I might add

you have ..ONE.. MONTH.. after you move here to change your plates. Out of county or out of state.

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Suggar

Ok you win. Happy Easter

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Conservatives- beware

There are liberals in Fayette County! (Some may even be 'closet' members of your own families.) Heaven forbid-some may vote for Obama in 2012, aghhhhhhhh!

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..and many former Dems are not

most are severely disappointed that he has moved away from the wacko Moore side, others who still believe in fiscal conservatism see no change from previous administrations.

What's his promises not kept count up to now?

"Barack Obama Scorecard - Promises Not Kept 75"

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Why normal?

Why would you think the FairTax would cause them to spend less?

And that revenue neutral 24% was calculated back in 1992. I wonder what a revenue neutral percentage would be now?

But I might agree about having those pesky Mexicans pay their taxes. Of course most get paid by check and we'd lose out on keeping all their withholding that they can't get back. Still, it's irritating to see all of that vast wealth they accumulate by spreading pine straw go untaxed.

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gasp!! JeffC

You don't mean you use those people to spread pinestraw......do you?

They're stealing American jobs, oh wait, come to think of it there's no reason for good Americans not to get out there and do the same thing.

Umm....I wonder what it is about pinestraw?

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PTCO - Pine straw

Pine straw, eh? I'm sure roundabout can craft up a response or possibly another sonnet about that. :-)

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Cyclist - you

You know I never read roundabout's posts, just not very interesting and always a bit disjointed.

Am I missing something?

I like to concentrate on reading Bacon, Ninja, Lion, and DM....good solid socialists.

They are far more interesting to me as they expose their philosophy and methods to those reading this board. They always have something to say but a cogent argument; well that's a different story.

Anyway I find them entertaining and I hope they keep it up, by exposing their thoughts and aureate rhetoric they are doing a service to all the rational readers of this board. They in fact are their own worst enemy.

Love it simply love it.

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A little bit of knowledge

A little bit of knowledge coupled with little understanding is evident in the repetition of 'government intervention ' and 'redistribution of wealth' in
all of the posts of certain contributors. It appears that when a clear explanation of the logic to the comment is unavailable,they feel these phrases explain all. When one whose income is below $250,000 may pay up to 35% income tax and a billionaire pay 1%. . . something is wrong and the tax system needs to be reformed. I remember when the idea of taxing the food we eat was reprehensible. Are there really individuals who believe that by lowering income tax, but taxing everything else such as the air we breathe, we will have more money in our pockets? Amazing. There is an interesting proposal to end income tax and tax all consumable goods.

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DM - Yes

A little bit of knowledge, a very little bit.

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I aint gonna do it! I aint gonna comment on no pine straw! Im not gonna be cogent neither. I tried that and the igits don't clear understood it that way.
My joints aint unjointed niether.

Ive noticd thet no matter howe sum writ terible on here, if they say whut you wont to here they are magnifico!
Nowe I probable dont say whut you want to here.

I writ fer all not jist such as yew.

Long liv the indefatiguable, masterful, super intelligent, genius professor, Pres Obama.

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PTCO--Shiri Ga Aoi!

From where I stand, in reality, it seems that Bacon comes out on top in ripping apart your arguments rather than vice-versa en masse res ipsa loquitur Как посеешь, так и пожнешь!

Good day sir! I salute your naiveté and blind devotion to Lew Rockewll and the gang! Remember, I was Austrian before Austrian was cool!

I wonder if Lew went to the BCS championship game?

Hawks and Braves did it up yesterday! I told you Heyward in the 2 hole would work!

I think Thomas Szasz said it best when he said,

Doubt is to certainty as neurosis is to psychosis. The neurotic is in doubt and has fears about persons and things; the psychotic has convictions and makes claims about them. In short, the neurotic has problems, the psychotic has solutions.

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In mass (sic) - Ninja

You’re correct of course; pardon my slip, but a good attempt at seizing upon the irrelevant to counter the argument for a vast restructuring of the government. How is it that you and Bacon counter ideas that are contrary to your philosophy of the power and legitimacy of the state with personal attacks? Don’t you have any ideas? What are your alternatives to a massively dysfunctional government? Oh, I forgot you don’t have any because you feel that the government is doing a satisfactory job and government services provide you a good return on your children’s investment.

If a person is psychotic for expressing ideas on solutions to a government that has completely run the country off track fiscally, then what is a person called that wants to keep things as they are? Are they called conservative or merely delusional?

Instead of a reasoned response to a set of solutions proposed all we get from you and Bacon is personal attacks, this is intellectually dishonest and speaks to the shallowness of your ideas and position. But what can one expect from people have their heads buried deeply where the sun don’t (sic) shine?

You have lost the argument using the logical fallacy of argumentum ad hominem. It is something that you are familiar with and use to deflect rational ideas. However, it doesn’t work with me pal, try something else. Try ideas.

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Awww....Petey C is butthurt....

Aww, somebody is lashing out today!

Petey, if one looks objectively at the exchanges you've had with Ninja, it's very apparent that you have, at best, a cursory and shallow understanding of Von Mises and the whole Austrian school. He's bested you at every turn, and no amount of chest thumping and unilateral victory declarations can disguise the fact that you are quite lacking in the intellectual firepower department.

One of you less endearing traits is your incessant (note the correct spelling) habit of labeling other people here (socialist, unionist, government worker, etc) while simultaneously eschewing them for yourself (not a Republican, not a Teahadist, etc).

I've noted that you produce very little original thought in your vast posting output...this became very noticeable when I simply asked everyone back in January to make a prediction of inflation for the year: you couldn't (or wouldn't) make a prediction. You couldn't find anything to copy/paste, so you froze. You made lots of noise in my thread, and tried to change the subject, but you and your buddy NotLindsey (both prodigious cut-and-pasters) couldn't come up with original thoughts.

Now, I will admit that I do poke fun at your laughably simplistic ideas, you seem to have a "simple" solution to the complex problems of the world. Sadly, most of your "solutions" are basically "too much gummint intervention". I've locked horns with Nuk, and though I find very little to agree with him about I can and do respect him for articulating a classic libertarian viewpoint. I can't say the same for you and/or NotLindsey, you two strike me as "situational libertarians" or as I like to call them: "glibertarians". NotLindsey uses glibertarianism as a cover for his lack of intelligence, but I believe you hide behind it because you have trouble grasping complex issues.

I will admit I laugh at your constant attempts to have me defend the status quo. You fail to realize that as a member of a fringe element of political thought, the onus is on you to make a case as to why/how your alternative is "better". Hint: "Because I really really really think so!" is not likely to gain you many converts!

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Bacon, Based on Your Response to PTCO

you must be a Braves fan! How do you like Heyward in the 2 hole? Has Mclouth performed well enough to keep the CF spot?

I think Bobby Cox said it best when he said,

“It's a baseball team, and I look at it that way.”

Go Hawks!

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Nice tag team

But Bacon you and Ninja do in fact defend the status quo, not me. You’re both conservatives. I am in fact in support of dismantling the government big hunks at a time. You and your buddy are of the opinion that we should have more of it and a lot more of it.

In the end, it won't and can't work. Now you can respond in your typically glib way but it won't change the fact the government is broken, our financial house is in shambles, and it is the policies of the US government that got us to this place. I don’t care if it is Republican, Democrat, or something in between that got us here, all I know is it is upon us.

Clever quips will not solve our problems, radical change will. Why? Because I really really think so. Oh and reality says so, less government more individual freedom and free markets.

I think Gregory Bresiger said it best when he said:

"Government enterprise is an oxymoron. The words "government" and "enterprise" should never be used in the same sentence."

Go watch a Braves game.

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Tagging in
PTC Observer wrote:

But Bacon you and Ninja do in fact defend the status quo, not me. You’re both conservatives. I am in fact in support of dismantling the government big hunks at a time. You and your buddy are of the opinion that we should have more of it and a lot more of it.

Let's not resort to ad hominem, m'kay? My politics are center-left, so calling me a conservative is unfair and inaccurate. Also, your assumption that I believe we should have a "lot more" government is without merit. I challenge you to find any posts by me in my lengthy posting history here that advocates MORE government action.

PTC Observer wrote:

In the end, it won't and can't work. Now you can respond in your typically glib way but it won't change the fact the government is broken, our financial house is in shambles, and it is the policies of the US government that got us to this place. I don’t care if it is Republican, Democrat, or something in between that got us here, all I know is it is upon us.

You're welcome to your opinion that the government is "broken". I disagree with your assessment. Restoring Reagan-era tax rates would solve a great many current problems.

PTC Observer wrote:

Clever quips will not solve our problems, radical change will. Why? Because I really really think so. Oh and reality says so, less government more individual freedom and free markets.

Again, I disagree with your conjecture that "radical" change is needed.

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Bacon - Now

that is a reasoned response and something we can build on, but only if you try.

Should I dare hope?

Please respond a rational dialog is welcome by me.

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Bacon - OK

no response so I will try this:

Conservative - adj - disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., OR to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.

Do you then not want to limit changes in government policy? Traditional government as we have seen since the 1860's? Not cutting spending and such? Or raising taxes to maintain the current level of government "sevices"?

When I say you and Ninja are conservatives, this is what I mean.

So, aren't you?

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PTCO, You Sound A Bit Wound Up

today. I guess that is because both the Braves and the Hawks are off!

I guess you didn't get my inside joke about Thomas Szasz, whose ideas are very big in the classical liberal arena.

Yes, I understand your and Lew's definition of conservative, the one used by 'classical liberals.' But, I am not even a conservative by the classical liberal definition you noted. As we went round and round a week or so ago, I maintain that our government is a product of the market, whereas you said that it was handed to us by God through the founding fathers, who borrowed heavily in their writings from several philosophers that were active around the time of the Enlightenment (at least I think that is what you said, but not really sure).

So, just like the generation of iPhone that is out there now, we have the best (ie, the one that meets the needs of the times) generation of government as demanded by us (the people) and that we (the people) are able to supply.

The US's problems like the national debt, budget deficit, social security will get worked out over time. Why, because they are problems that have to be solved and they are problems that are ultimately solvable. Doesn't really require a libertarian revolution.

As for socialism, I have lived in various countries around the world, some with socialist leaning governments, especially in terms of healthcare. The care was about the same as I get here in the US, so the cries of death panels and year-long waiting lines for surgery ring hollow with me. Perhaps you have had a different experience in the socialist nations that you have lived in for extended periods of time, say for more than 10 years?

Now, don't get me wrong. I do get your enthrallment with the Austrian school, as I was heavily into Ludwig and the gang many years back (probably more so than you are now).

However, your dogmatic embrace of everything Austrian seems to be a lot like the Randians and their blind adherence to Objectivism, which turned out to be whatever Ayn Rand said it was. There is a certain segment of classical liberals that are similar to the inner-circle Randians in demanding blind obedience to whatever is posted on their website (that's you Lew), just as Ludwig cut ties with Hayek for offering up the idea that perhaps, just perhaps, the gold standard was not the only way to ensure that governments pursue a system of 'sound money.'

I have been down the path of Austrian economics and Atlas Shrugged a long ago, and exited both a better person for having traveled that path. I think you will do the same, given time. It's an interesting journey, but not one I care to take again. So, while it is fun yanking your chain every now and then on certain points, I don't care to revisit in depth a topic that I have put behind me. Just like I would not like to go back to elementary school (now, high school, that's a different story--lots of football, beer, and cheerleaders!--yes, I matured early and before they carded everyone at the package store!).

As I said a few posts ago, I am now thinking about the post-capitalist economy and what that may look like, at least in industrialized nations. Thinking about how to bring religion and the possible disappearance thereof into the equation.

Now, as for your demand that I read certain books and report back to you and these books and list all the books that I have read that shape my philosophy, coupled with your lack of writing about real world experience, plus your deep interest in Austrian economics and Randian ideals points to me that you have yet to crack the 4-decade mark on earth, and perhaps not even the 3-decade mark. But, I might be wrong.

Gosh, way past my bedtime! Gotta run!

Anyway, Go Braves! Swept the World Champion San Francisco Giants!

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Wow - Ninja

Except for one or two minor verbal jabs, this is a pretty well thought out response. Could an actual dialog of ideas be breaking out here?

I would like to hear about your thoughts on a "post capitalist" economy and what it may look like in industrialized nations. Does it have anything to do with state ownership or something? That's a question, not a jab.

Most of what you and Bacon have written about me and my positions you have dismissed as juvenile thinking, intellectually shallow, somehow contemptible or uninformed. I would say that self evident truths are not so complicated and speak for themselves. These truths don't need much in the way of defense from me or anyone else. The question is why you believe that these rights are not fundamentally true. There must be a basis for your argument.

But I digress, it is your ideas that I would like to here. Since you have dismissed a wide array of great thinkers there must be fundamental reasons, I would like to hear them. It is ideas and the argument around those ideas that's important. Not your or Bacon's judgment of me, to me this is meaningless in its entirety.

Civil dialog is always much more difficult than personal attacks, one requires thought the other just thoughtless rambling. Finally, I don’t believe myself to be dogmatic; I am open to logical ideas based on fundamental truths. If these truths are reveal to me and they make sense I am open to change. Really, but so far I have not read or heard anything from you or anyone else that has changed my thinking on the proper role of government. Nothing has persuaded me to give up the idea of God given rights of life, liberty, and property. If you don’t believe in God, it’s ok with me, but these rights are in fact fixed in the human experience with nature and should not be violated, even for the greater good.

Your turn, let’s see how this goes. Should I dare to hope for civil dialog? Maybe Bacon could manage to carry on a civil discourse as well, but perhaps that's asking too much.

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PTCO, That Was NOT ME

I left my computer unattended and my 10-year-old got into my blog account again! Sorry about that! Perhaps I can set up a play date for the two of you to discuss Ludwig and the gang! You get out of school at 3:40, right? I will even provide the Slurpies and Little Debbies!

Go Hawks--Padres took one from the Braves last night (they weren't off after all!) because of a bad pitch in extra innings! Boo Martinez! Time to go to AAA for a rehab assignment!

Just when you think it is safe to engage in civil discourse....

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Ninja - OK

I get it, you don't have any ideas, just conservative opinions.

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PTCO, NO YOU DIDN'T

really say this in a post, did you? I see it in front of me now, but please tell me I am wrong!

'Why? Because I really really think so.'

I thought Bacon was just making light of you!

Good grief! Have I spent all this time writing back and forth with a teenager!

Tell me I am wrong, please!!!!

Ahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!

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Ninja - Yep

I am a teenager, you caught me.

Thanks for your indepth ideas about the "Post Capitalist" era.

Finished reading Human Action yet?

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Yes, I Finished Reading Human Action

about 15 years ago! I still have a few scattered pages in the bottom of my bird cage, but its hard to make out all the words now! Did you know that if you cover up certain words in Human Action with bird poop that it is actually Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice! Thank you Polly!

Well, I wouldn't want to give away my ideas on the post capitalist era for free on this blog--that would be un-capitalistic!

Go Braves!

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Pinestraw

For anyone who is interested, I can hook you up with a business in Meriweather Co. who will deliver & spread (if you want to pay extra) for a better price than any local business. And they only use local labor, no imports.

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GYM

I like that "deliver and spread" part. But that must cost more don't it?

What are the locals there any way? Born and bred there? Git paid in cash do they?

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Roundie & Pinestraw

Company name is "B & B Sales, owners name is Bennie, current delivered cost is $3.25--$1.00 more if you want it spread. Straw comes from Florida and employees are family and other local Meriwether Countians. Phone nr is 706-846-3665.

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Jeff

You can stop arguing with the "fair taxers."
The whole concept is so stupid that it will never occur. It is simply a vote getter by the moneyed.

Can you imagine, just imagine, someone making a purchase and the business adds about 30% tax onto your bill for say, groceries, or the electric bill or phone bill?

Many of whom only pay 10-15% income tax anyway, (or less) plus Social Security, which I can't imagine the "fair tax" will cover.

Just sorting out what transactions will be taxed and what not is impossible!
Will insurance premiums, lawyer fees, tips, listening to Boortz, state-county-city fees and taxes, underground black market transactions, knife swapping, yard sales, roadside tomatoes, etc., pine straw off a truck, handy-men, (or women), prostitution, gigolos, (get the idea)?

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Agreed OOU

They should have been prosecuted and put in jail next to Scooter Libby.

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Be real fearful

Americans striving for justice; Americans demanding that their brothers and sisters become educated; self-reliant; supportive of their community; be on time!!!(LOL); returning to Africa. What are you afraid of? In the 50's and 60's it was noted that those in power didn't listen to the moderates until the 'radicals' raised their voices. Americans of all hues have learned this lesson. Nothing new here.
An after thought. Fayette County need not fear. If a Black resident feels mistreated at a business, there are many in the county who welcome 'black' business. Fayette County needs to worry about the possible Hispanic boycott. It won't be announced- they'll just disappear along with their 'funds' and student population. This has happened throughout the country. If a district is not prepared, the district is faced with empty classrooms and too many teachers.

NEW BLACK PANTHERS PLAN MASSIVE EGYPT-STYLE PROTEST & BOYCOTT OF ‘NON-BLACKS’-The Story

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DM - Then

"...the district is faced with empty classrooms and too many teachers."

Then there will be more teachers to try and teach kids that don't want to be in the classroom. One teacher can be the policeman, the other can try and teach an unwilling "student".

Who cares about the BPP anyway? Let'em boycott their little hearts out. If blacks want to favor only black owned businesses let'em. What's all the noise about here, I don't get it.

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Note: Not much disagreement here regarding NBPP. However, school financing is partially based on student attendance. Districts predict how many students will be served by our tax dollars. When students don't show up, teachers are released - not held over for 'police duty '. Additional schools are built based in predictions of how many families are moving into or leaving the district. Fayette County has some unused classrooms because several developments were not built due to the recession. This situation happened all over the country. Under achievers garner federal Title I funds so that the district can afford to give them the extra services that they need. Right or wrong, losing students poses funding problems for schools. In some communities, parents held fundraisers to augment the schools budget so that programs and teachers could be retained.

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we dare to hope that government schools will simply go out of business?

Parents wouldn't have to hold fundraisers for public schools if they were working. They're not, never will.

Let the parents keep their money and send their children to school of their choice, or teach them at home.

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So a man starts a blog telling us to fear the Blck Panther dudes

Why? The city I was in this weekend had a gathering of less than a hundred of them. The gathering was peaceful as the paper reported. And they were very critical of President Obama who they said "caught the Wall Street Virus."

Why should I fear these guys? But when I look at who shot a Congresswoman or tried to blow up a mall in Colorado last week, profiling Black Panthers, Muslims, or Immigrants from the south would not have protected me one iota from this brand of terrorism. Funny no one blogged about that. Lots of people could be hurt in a burning mall ya know.

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Fearin' them Black Panthers

I agree, I watched highlights of the Jacksonville FL Black Panther rally, most of the rhetoric was anti-Obama. If the Tea Party started allowing more than one African American per chapter, these guys would have felt right at home!

The truly interesting phenomenon was the day prior to these rallies, there were maybe 10 articles in total advertising the rallies. There were over 100 articles, though, on conservative websites, frothing about the Negroes were gonna RIOT! Observerofu was just doin' his part, I guess.

It's interesting how formulaic the outrage has gotten from the right. Observerofu's rants read like a "Conservative Mad-libs":

"The (Blacks/Mexicans/Jews) are coming to our fair city! They want to (riot/go on welfare/sleep with our white wimmen)! etc etc etc"

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I Would Love To See

locked and loaded groups of Black Panthers 'monitoring' all the polling stations in Fayette County, exercising their God-given 2nd Amendment rights! They could even help little old white ladies locate their drivers licences to speed the ID check process along! I'm sure the local Tea Party stalwarts would welcome their help!

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Keep that head buried there bacon

nothing bad will happen to you. I on the other hand listen, when a radical group makes statements about beatings, terrorist actions etc. I tend to watch and be vigilant. You and kevin keep on being PC.

Predators tend to look for the sheep in the crowd first. You guys will make useful cannon fodder.

Look at it this way. You finally have found your purpose. Sacrificing your liberal PC self for the betterment of society.

Well done.

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Well kevink you need to listen to the rantings of Shabaz

and then tell me what group the nutjob represented that shot Giffords.

The NBPP has aligned themselves with the radical left and radical Islam. To ignore their own words is to ignore a clear warning.

But keep on being PC there kevin. You can be sure not to stare at the radical thug as they beat you half to death.

btw-I have been profiling the threat of the lone attacker/terrorist for some time you just haven't been listening.

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If you would be so kind, Observerofu.....

"btw-I have been profiling the threat of the lone attacker/terrorist for some time you just haven't been listening."

Would you link me to the blog you started about disgruntled white gentlemen who try to blow malls up? I haven't been able to find it through all of the "The socialists are coming" stuff.

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kevink when I see the threat of the lone white guy

killing thousands then I might focus my attention there. Blogs no postings by the dozen yes. However a few million fanatics Worldwide and a few hundred thousand home grown revolutionaries are a more immediate threat and one with catastrophic results. Look what happened to the Airline industry after 9/11.

But then again should that lone gunman telegraph their moves ahead of time like the twelvers do and those of the Islamic faith then an appropriate response by law enforcement is assured. It's the unexpected suicide bomber that is the issue. No amount of vigilance can stop those intent on killing themselves in order to kill others.

Ignoring and/or excusing the threat that you and other lefties seem to want to do is not the answer either. Until we correctly asses the threat and deal with it, then we will never truly be safe. Unfortunately another 9/11 styled event will have to occur to hammer this home to you guys again.

How many more Americans will have to die for your go along get along ostrich attitude I do not know but I fear there will be many.

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Freaking out Observerofu

Your inability to see good in people is our down fall. The Islamic faith in itself is good. There are people who practice Islam that aren't good same as Christianity. As said before you do not possess the ability to see others as you see yourself. If not white it isn’t right in your eyes. Read your post and people are labeled in groups and not as individuals. These people, that religion etc. etc. your hate spilled messages are getting old. In the last month are so you have said Egypt is the next extremist colony, Black Panthers are taking over; Islam is out for all Americans. What is the White man out for? Let me tell you for the most part the white, black, red and yellow men are out to do good in this world. All colors have their extremist. Wake up dude you are the enemy when it comes to peace.

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Tman are you daft man?

Where do you get I am against ALL Islam or it's faith or followers?

I believe I said Islamic Extremist. Oh wait I forgot they don't exist. It was fuzzy wuttle bunnies that flew the planes in to the World Trade Centers.

No Peace until the Terrorist are DEAD.

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How do you identify the Extremist?

How do you propose we single out these Islamic extremist and kill them? Terrorist will never die. There will always be a person with a cause. The revolutions that are occurring in the Middle East scare you. May I ask why?

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Well Tman now you have asked the right question.

How do we identify the extremist among the devoted.
Well one way is to simply listen to their words. If a group or individual says they want you dead I personally don't believe diplomacy would work.
If a group or individual acts towards that end then I don't believe diplomacy will work.
So first we identify who is saying these things, recognize that as a majority they represent Arabic males 18-30yoa and almost all have had some contact with radical Islamic clerics.

I find it absolutely amazing that we knew the Fort Hood shooter had contact with a very Radical Cleric and knew that he was becoming radicalized himself, but we were to PC to do anything before he killed his fellow solders.

Until we realize who we are fighting we will never be ready to defend ourselves. But don't worry nothing to see here. You guys just keep on denying there is a problem.

Cannon fodder can be very useful too.

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Mitch Rapp where are You?

Mitch Rapp would know how to thin out the Bad Ones!

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The Problem

The Problem. There are and unfortunately always have been mortals who are consumed with evil thoughts. These individuals come in all genders and hues. We have been fortunate lately - and those who would harm us have been stopped. Many innocent children died because we didn't recognize Mr. McVeigh, or a Mr. Muhamad(sp) Or whatever! Actions - and words - not just skin hue or gender must be noted in order to remain safe from terror and evil.

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Timothy McVeigh, the Unabomber

Nuff said. Many Americans - dead.

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"disgruntled white gentlemen who try to blow malls up?" Now that's classic!

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kevink, tit for tat

Kevin, you can't seem to get over the attempted tit-for-tat responses that you, (as diva or warthogor or whatever) fancied several years ago. Do you have access to TV news reports? You're going to have to dig up a lot more examples to keep up.

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Tincan: For simplicity you can use Kevin

(I am truly flattered that you have followed my blogger name evolution). And for simplicity's sake, I will strip away all of those confusing word thigys and give you my point which you missed:

"But when I look at who shot a Congresswoman or tried to blow up a mall in Colorado last week, profiling Black Panthers, Muslims, or Immigrants from the south would not have protected me one iota from this brand of terrorism."

Tincan: While many of our *conservative buddies start blogs convincing us to fear groups like the Black Panther Party who, to my knowledge, haven't bombed a mall or shot elected officials, they ignore the crimes of other demographic groups. Why do you think that is Tincan? Can you answer that? The New Black Panther whoevers are not local, so we can't call it a local story. Someone went to the interwebs and tried to trump up fear of these folks. But nothing on a guy who tried to blow a Colorado mall up? He was an unsuccessful Timothy McVeigh, but NO WORDS ON HIM?

How can you be a "law and order" conservative yet somehow consistently fail to sound the warning when the criminal elements are not black or Muslim?

As for digging up examples, can you give me one example of The New Black Panther Party trying to blow up a building full of American citizens? I'll give you all of the time you need.

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What Kevin? No mention of John Allen Muhammad?

From Wikipedia: "John Allen Muhammad (December 31, 1960 – November 10, 2009) was a spree killer from the United States. Often labeled a serial killer by the media, he, along with his younger partner, Lee Boyd Malvo, carried out the 2002 Beltway sniper attacks, killing at least 10 people. Muhammad and Malvo were arrested in connection with the attacks on October 24, 2002, following tips from alert citizens."

"Born as John Allen Williams, Muhammad joined the Nation of Islam in 1987 and later changed his surname to Muhammad.[1] Drawings by Malvo describe the murders as part of a "jihad" (Arabic for "struggle in the way of God").At Muhammad's trial, the prosecutor claimed that the rampage was part of a plot to kill his ex-wife and regain custody of his children, but the judge ruled that there was insufficient evidence to support this argument."

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Ummm..... Grizz?

Is John Allen Muhammad a member of The New Black Panther Party which is the subject of this blog? If not (which he is not), what is your point?

Are you saying The National Guard is a terrorist group? Or Gulf War vets are terrorists? Or Expert Marxmen are terrorists? I don't follow you. But A+ for quoting Wikipedia, the premier research tool of the internets.

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No, but he was a member of the Nation of Islam. Same thing -NOI and NBP are both groups that hate white people.

I would never accuse our men and women in uniform of being terrorists, except for the Army "psychiatrist" at Ft Hood (another convert to the peaceful religion of Islam) that killed 12 people in cold blood and wounded 31 others.

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Kevin, not too difficult to follow your identities

Not as easy as $/bonk/round but there is a pretty consistent theme. I have to admit I did stray a bit off topic because I was thinking back to your postings regarding local "events". I questioned your motives back then and you chose not to respond. DM did intervene on your behalf however.

"How can you be a "law and order" conservative yet somehow consistently fail to sound the warning when the criminal elements are not black or Muslim?"

If that question is more than a general statement, I'd like you to point out what it's based on. Frankly I've only seen a few posters take that approach.

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You nailed it Tincan.

"If that question is more than a general statement, I'd like you to point out what it's based on. Frankly I've only seen a few posters take that approach."

I'm only talking to a few posters.

Cheers

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Joint Chiefs of Staff 1, Observerofu 0

Fantastic article HERE, about a 15 page American Strategy assessment developed under the auspices of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (written by senior policy staffers at the JCS, a Navy Captain and USMC Colonel).

Basically, they put out a fascinating case that America has devolved into a mindset of "Oh, we'll just send in the military" rather than engage in diplomatic heavy lifting. The JCS actually recommends REDUCING the size of the military to correct what they see as an imbalance.

The part that will get everyone's attention, though, is the section that deals with Americans who routinely demonize all Muslims as extremists and/or use the words interchangeably (not unlike our own Georgia H8riot and religious bigot Observerofu) and how counterproductive they are to military effectiveness. That comes as no surprise to me!

If you'd rather bypass the CNN link and go directly to the report itself (PDF format), that link is HERE. It's a fascinating "big picture" view on the military's take on current affairs, from the 50,000 foot level.

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Bacon - Isn't

Isn't 50,000 feet the maximum operating limit of the Phantom Eye HALE Drone? Or is it 65,000 feet?