Fed threatens School Principals if they don't spy on their Students 24/7

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One local progressive here loves to shout Nazi, Jackbooted thugs and brown-shirts a lot.

But it's not the Right or the Teaparty that is advocating even threatening School officials with lawsuits and maybe worse if they don't monitor
students Facebook activity. No not just during school time but 24/7 day and night 7 days a week.

"The agency’s threats, which are delivered in a so-called “Dear Colleague” letter,” have the support of White House officials, including President Barack Obama, who held a Mar. 10 White House meeting to promote the initiative as a federal “anti-bullying” policy.
The letter says federal officials have reinterpreted the civil-rights laws that require school principals to curb physical bullying, as well as racist and sexist speech, that take place within school boundaries. Under the new interpretation, principals and their schools are legally liable if they fail to curb “harassment” of students, even if it takes place outside the school, on Facebook or in private conversation among a few youths."

Fed instructs teachers to Facebook creep students

There is one very disturbing sentence among a very disturbing story, "federal officials have reinterpreted the civil-rights laws", and the other fact that "Private" conversations are deemed no longer "private".

I didn't know that the Executive branch had disbanded the Supreme Court, so they could start interpreting laws for us and then deciding on rather they should be enforced or not.

Another factor that is equally as disturbing is that Facebook apparently "happily" agreed to give up information to the Whitehouse on their users. Students today the rest of us tomorrow?

One other disturbing fact is the You will be sent to the re-education camps part of this and again not just the student but the family and even the "Community".

"Following the discovery of “harassment,” officials may have to require mandatory training of students and their families, according to the Ali letter. “The school may need to provide training or other interventions not only for the perpetrators, but also for the larger school community, to ensure that all students, their families, and school staff can recognize harassment if it recurs and know how to respond…"

So now the Federal Government is forcing Schools to spy on your children by threat of fines or law-suits. Whats next forced interrogations by Federal officials of your kids to "give up" their parents radical views or egad gun ownership?

"California's assembly bill 2068 would require children to be asked personal questions such as whether their parents spank them, keep guns in the house, or watch violent television shows. It would require "mental health screenings" as part of the physical exam children take before entering school or in county health screening programs."

Never mind.

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Chickenspit Little

Observerofu, a man without honor and a lying coward as well, does his best "chicken little" (perhaps "chickenspit little" would be a more appropriate moniker) imitation with his "sky is falling" inDERPretation of a recent federal anti-bullying memo.

Note that the cowardly Observerofu does not link you to this "horrible" memo itself, but rather to some columnist's opinion regarding the memo.

Take a look for yourself at the memo in question: HERE

You won't see the word "Facebook" at all in this memo, despite the lying coward Observerofu's claims to the contrary. Nor could I find anything dictating 24/7 student coverage. One must assume that the cowardly liar Observer simply made these charges up (He has a documented history of fabricating "evidence" to back his political positions).

The memo simply urges school systems to take bullying seriously, to have formal anti-bullying policies in place, and reminds them that if they fail to do so that a bullied student often has remedies against a school system under Federal anti-discrimination laws.

Insofar as "reinterpreting" Civil Rights laws, the memo simply states that school systems that don't include anti-bullying policies against LGBT folks could conceivably be sued for sex discrimination. "Re-interpretation"? Read the actual memo and decide for yourself.

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Yahoo news is so right winged

You just can't trust yahoo.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailycaller/20110316/pl_dailycaller/fedinstructs...

You don't like the news don't read it.

This on the facebook story note face book is thrilled.
"on Mar. 11, Facebook declared that it was “thrilled” to work with White House officials to foster government oversight of teens’ online activities."

And this from the letter and your link.

"Harassing conduct may take many forms, including verbal acts and name-calling; graphic and
written statements, which may include use of cell phones or the Internet; or other conduct that
may be physically threatening, harmful, or humiliating. Harassment does not have to include
intent to harm, be directed at a specific target, or involve repeated incidents. Harassment
creates a hostile environment when the conduct is sufficiently severe, pervasive, or persistent
so as to interfere with or limit a student’s ability to participate in or benefit from the services,
activities, or opportunities offered by a school. When such harassment is based on race, color,
national origin, sex, or disability, it violates the civil rights laws that OCR enforces."

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Nah Facebook isn't involved at all according to bacon

"Facebook Unveils 'Social Reporting' Feature Ahead of White House Bullying Summit"

Facebook on Thursday announced that it will soon implement an upgrade to its reporting system that allows users to notify someone they trust if they are the victim of bullying or online harrassment.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2381750,00.asp

Bacon I can always tell when I hit home with you. You immediately go on the attack and start name calling. You really are a immature child. Why don't you argue the story, make your points. Oh I forget you don't have one. You just don't like mine so you have to knee jerk out a response. Just like your tag line I again challenge you to prove your accusation, but you can't can you?
If you are right then you should have no problem PROVING that you are. But you won't because it is easier to lie about someone then actually admit you were wrong. You inferred the reference, that's your problem.

Keep up the insults bacon. They just cloud what little argument you have.

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Once again...

I posted a link to the "offensive" memo in question.

The DERPtard you quoted sez that this memo mandates 24/7 spyin' on students.

He is a liar. There is no such mandate.

I defy you to show me ANYTHING in that memo that remotely suggests that a school is responsible for student conduct off of school grounds.

You can't.

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You also said Facebook wasn't involved

Typical of Government memos you have to read between the lines. The first "ruling/interpretation" was for on-campus during School monitoring, however they "re-interpreted" it and removed such restriction so logic dictates that it is now a 24/7 monitoring. One of the examples given mentioned emails/internet abuse but never mentioned rather it was during school or after. If you were the one threatened what would you assume?
You would have to be a Lawyer to be sure. The reporter that wrote the story and others picked up and carried sure thought so, as do I.

Bacon just because I post something does not mean you have to knee-jerk out a response. You need to think through what you post before you do it. This is how you start inferring meaning or statements never made, your argument, such as it is, or reasoning is skewed from this point on... a true logical or Genetic fallacy.

You have the ability to cogently argue points when you want to. I have read some of them why you feel you can't or won't do so with me is somewhat bewildering. Instead of just attacking me, argue your position, argue that my opinion is incorrect, heck argue that my links or sources are wrong, but argue something Bacon.

This trying to insult me, attempting to convince all that I lie or otherwise attempt to just discredit in an attempt to counter my points or arguments without ever addressing the issue is childish. Hmmm there is a Latin word for that what was it? Oh well maybe I will remember it later.

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Gee Whiz ObU.....

You must be some kind of "Dullard"? But then of course I carry the higher Bacon rank of "Churlish Dullard", maybe it is sorta like the difference between a "Colonel" and a "Bird Colonel"? Don't feel alone here, instead of sticking to the point/argument at hand Bacon always tries to accuse me of having some other association or tie to a group he can demonize, when the TRUTH is my only agenda....well,..that and irritating Bacon by not having any paragraphs in my responses. -GP

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GP it is a battle that will not be won but has to be fought

just the same.

Bacon typifies the progressive left these days. Democrats of my father believed in Liberty, personal responsibility and yes even Fiscal responsibility.

Today Democrats have become radicalized with the Trumka's and Moore's of the world. Progressivism actually had good roots. It's early beginnings exposed corruption and helped reform Government in certain areas that was needed.

However there was a splinter branch that wanted Socialism to be the dominate force in our Government. While other forms of Progressivism went towards Conservation, food and drug reform laws and the expansion of railroads, this splinter group enacted a strategy of political "invasion".

With the massive growth of Government Wilson and Roosevelt accomplished and the growth of social entitlements unfortunately we saw the rise of the Socialist Progressive movement.

Micheal Moore, Richard Trumka, Andy Stern and many others and yes Bacon exemplifies this growth and take over of the Democrat party. We are seeing the rise of the Socialist Progressive movement again and with the typical rise in aggression and lack of civility. This they think is their time to rise up and take the Government and move Social reform to the forefront.

The Unions have long been part of this "reform". Almost every riot we now see Worldwide is a "Workers Union" riot. What is however truly alarming is the melding of Socialism with the Democrat party backed by the Unions and with the Whitehouse we are seeing the beginning of a melding of Government, business, education and ideology all under one banner.

This is not Freedom as we know it.

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Quote "Bacon typifies the progressive left these days. Democrats of my father believed in Liberty, personal responsibility and yes even Fiscal responsibility."

You are so right. My father was a lifelong conservative democrat (although he did give Goldwater a hard look). Today's progressives have hijacked the democratic party of old and morphed it into a quasi-socialist beast that yesterdays democrats would not even recognize.
However, there is some good news to this takeover. It really is quite simple now to draw lines and spell out differences. The choice all citizens must now make between individual freedom and having personal responsibility or depending on someone else and having a government nanny state have never been clearer.
Let us all pray we choose freedom. May God Bless America...again. -GP

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Democrats of my father believed in Liberty, personal responsibility and yes even Fiscal responsibility

Let's be honest here. You have expressed your perception based on your experience. The Dixie-Crats,(southern Democrats) of your father's time believed in separate but equal- a despicable American practice. If we stopped labeling 'groups', and started looking at the policies and actions that a group espouses - maybe we would have a better idea of what we'll get when that 'group' is elected. Any anti-democracy group will divide a group of citizens by emphasizing the weaknesses in the execution of democracy. The communists and others tried without success. They are rejoicing at the success of the radical right in dividing the citizens of the US. However- with continued sharing of your opinion, the majority of Americans will remain centered-neither radical right or left. Thanks.

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Democrats of my father believed in Liberty, personal responsibility and yes even Fiscal responsibility

Let's be honest here. You have expressed your perception based on your experience. The Dixie-Crats,(southern Democrats) of your father's time believed in separate but equal- a despicable American practice. If we stopped labeling 'groups'. And started looking at the policies and actions that a group espouses - maybe we would have a better idea of what we'll get when that 'group' is elected. Any anti-democracy group will divide a group of citizens by emphasizing the weaknesses in the execution of democracy. The communists and others tried without success. They are rejoicing at the success of the radical right in dividing the citizens of the US. However- with continued sharing of your opinion, the majority of Americans will remain centered-neither radical right or left. Thanks.

Not all of yesterdays democrats were racists and in my opinion your insinuation of such here is borderline racist and another example of "labeling" as you like to say.
And where do you get the information that "communist's are rejoicing at the success of the radical right"?
Is the Tea Party part of this "radical right"? It is my contention that the Tea Party is the center!
As far as labeling, it is the new democratic party that has moved and is now mis-labeled. I propose changing their name to UPS, (Union of Progressive Socialist's), that name would do a much better job of clearing up any confusion of their true agenda. -GP

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Thank heavens there were Democrats who stood up to the Dixie Crats. There are policies of the Tea Party that represent the centrist thought. Too bad that the radical right in the Republican Party has tried to use the Tea Party to unseat Obama instead of getting this country back on track after years of lack of fiscal responsibility. Not an insinuation- the DixieCrats hated the Voting Rights Act. To deny an American the right to vote based on the color of his skin has been considered racist. No matter how the intent is covered-guessing how many beans are in a jar; etc.; claiming that someone was born out the country; does appear to be 'racist'. I do respect your opinion- just want you to know there are those who disagree with some of your conclusions . I have never denied that I have entertained racist thoughts . Those thoughts have been based on my experience. My experience here in Fayette County has caused many of those thoughts to change .

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And where do you get the information that "communist's are rejoicing at the success of the radical right

The radical right is dividing this country. They will not succeed. As someone stated - United We Stand - Divided We Fall !

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Obama is dividing the country

Demokkk-rats always like to put the blame on the conservatives for society's ills.

Obama was the one that stated "I won" the day he came into office. He had a chance to unit the country and chose to divide it for politcal gain instead.

He has doubled and tripled the deficit all the while blaming everything on Bush. Pathetic, really.

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So what is the anti-Obama people proposing to get us out of this mess?

Return the country to the leadership or lack of leadership that contributed to this mess? Palin, Huckabee, Romney, which one is our savior? The policies of Reagan would be considered moderate and unacceptable by some today. All we hear is 'beat' Obama. I'm sure you have an answer.

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Dmom we have been giving you the answer since before Bush

Stop spending.
Stop sending troops for police actions.
Stop meddling in the business of War when you do.
Stop raising taxes on the most productive of Society.

Start cutting wasteful un-needed programs.
Start protecting our borders.
Start fighting Wars instead of trying to contain them.
Start getting the other 47% of Americans to start getting some "skin" in the game.

We have been yelling this for years. You just don't listen.

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Years of yelling

But no action by conservative leaders.

Unbudgeted war. Police actions= war/Iraq. Tax breaks for the wealthiest. We hear you; just have to judge your words by your action/ inaction. Based on the past actions of your leaders, by today Palin would have quit and McCain would only deal with one crisis at a time. Our country and the world are confronted with global and diverse challenges. In order to be a world leader, we need to be united. You've got to come up with a new message - both Democrats and Republicans - and the radical right and left don't have the answers. . . only strategies to win the next election. Sad.

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It's Obama's fault

Obama has been the most divisive President in recent history. He isn't interested in listening to conservative/Republican ideas. Remember his "I won" statement when he first came into office. That one statement set the tone for his adminstration. They are not interested in listening to or acting on ideas from the other side of the aisle.

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It took just 10 days for Obama and Clinton to form a 12 country group including the United Nations and NATO to stop the Libyan dictator from killing half his people!

Dumb clucks in the USA were pushing for immediate invasion by us alone at least a week ago!

I heard fox stupids twice yesterday and today say, yes but....he should have gone in earlier! Weak man!

Who is still in Iraq and Afghanistan and with how many currently from other places?

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Budget and Exit Strategy

And what is the budget for this invasion and what is the exit strategy?
How long does Obama plan on keeping us there and how much is it going to cost? Will he blame it Rio?

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Budget: it's a UN mission. We didn't invade. Rio? Cute. Exit strategy? Good question. So far, no troops on the ground. We'll see. We couldn't unseat Castro-it may be the same with this guy in Libya.

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UN Mission

DM, you mean the UN is going to be reimbursing us for all of the support operations and the million or so each of those tomahawk missles we're lobbing into Libya?

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No.

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It's Obama's fault

That retort is getting old and does not lead to solutions. The citizens of our country applaud Obama/Clinton joining allies in stopping the leader of Libya killing his own people. The difficult mission lies ahead. . .assisting a country's move towards democracy without leading the charge.

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and this is where the teaparty that bacon loves to deride

comes from Dmom. No one from either Party would listen to us.

The TPN stands for everything that the Founding Fathers believed our Country should,could and used to be.

Both Party's are driving the car right off Obama's proverbial cliff.

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The TPN stands for everything that the Founding Fathers believed our Country should,could and used to be.

Fortunately, we are still based on the founding principles-but including all citizens-not just white males.

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David's Mom, any conservative will tell you...

Ask any conservative, they'll tell you:

Any problem can be easily solved with either

  • A tax break for the rich, or
  • a stern lecture for the poor
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. . . And Oou has found 100+ ways of telling us just that! LOL.

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Well Davids mom

I don't make this stuff up. There was a lot press last month that federal budget cuts are going hit African Americans, Latinos and yes the poor the hardest. A little "Google" search exercise yields several hits for "black caucus racist budget cuts". Of course, like anything else, a little filtering is needed in the search.

Here's Rep. Barbara Lee's take;

“It’s really especially poignant that this year during Black History Month, the Republican leadership has proposed a budget for fiscal year 2011 that will fall most heavily, mind you, on the backs of the most vulnerable in our society: African Americans, Latinos, and poor, those who have been shut of the American dream,” said Rep. Barbara Lee (D-Calif.), who described the cuts as ill-timed and destructive.

“At a time when we should be remembering and uplifting the accomplishments and contributions of African Americans, to the history, culture, civil rights and economy of America, we are literally during this month debating steps that will severely undercut and undermine that legacy,” she said.

So again, will the new liberal/progressive speech - that you mentioned earlier - entertain ideas to throw out programs that are not working or will the policies of status quo prevail?

BTW, sorry for my tardy response. I had to mop the kitchen floor and take the boss to dinner.

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Wow! You get the husband of the year award! Great! These programs are already being cut-as well as others. But you and I and everyone else know that there are other areas that our legislators are not touching for fear of losing corporate funding for the next election. There are those in our country who feel that their tax money should not go to any minorities. But in this economy, it's not just the minorities that will need a helping hand. Why aren't Republicans demanding better educational opportunities for Georgia students? It just seems if you want to justify cutting a program - tell the citizens that minorities will benefit. Just an opinion. . . And I don't care who says it. Again, spending must be cut - but responsibly. Balancing the budget today won't do any good if there is no country or a weakened country tomorrow. By the way - I know you didn't make it up - just didn't think you would be the one to bring it up in the discussion.

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Education

Davids mom, what better educational opportunities do you suggest? Sending children to school does not necessarily make them better students. Children have to be raised in an environment that encourages them to be better people and better students, and teachers have to be competent in their craft. The U.S. has increased spending for education by over 300% in the past 20 years, however test scores have not improved in the slightest.

http://wac.0873.edgecastcdn.net/800873/blog/wp-content/uploads/mccluskey...

We could cut out the entire Department of Education, save billions of dollars per year and get the same results we are getting now.

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I'm interested in Dr. Rhee's educational reform program. Cutting a dept. Is not necessarily a solution to a problem. Dr, Rhee had some solid results. She was just too honest for some politicians. Many feel she and her supporters are on the right track for meaningful reform. . . . And it doesn't just involve 'funding'. We'll see.

You might find this interesting:

http://www.districtleaderspodcast.org/2008/10/12/ep-24-dr-michelle-rhee/

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I am a fan of Dr. Rhee, however the link that you posted is several years old. Since then she resigned as Chancellor of DC public schools. It appears the progress that she was making wasn't popular with unions even though test scores for students increased in some cases by double digits.

The information below was copied from Wikipedia:
http://www.districtleaderspodcast.org/2008/10/12/ep-24-dr-michelle-rhee/
In February 2008, Rhee announced that 24 schools would close due to excess capacity.[29] District public schools have 302 square feet (28.1 m2) of space per student, nearly twice the average nationwide.[29] Eighty percent of District schools were under-enrolled.[30] Schools with the greatest decreases in enrollment and the most excess space were most likely to be closed.[29] Also announced was a plan to add early-childhood programs, gifted and talented programs, art and music classes, and special education services to District schools.[29] Council members wanted more information about how the decisions had been made.[29] The list of schools to be closed was later revised so that 21 schools would be closed instead.[30]

In 2008, she also sought to renegotiate how the school system compensates teachers. Rhee offered teachers the choice of: being paid up to $140,000 based on what she termed "student achievement" by losing tenure or earning much smaller pay raises by retaining tenure. This controversial move to end teacher tenure and promote "merit" pay was strongly contested by the teachers unions.[31]

In 2010, Rhee and the unions agreed on a new contract that offered 20% pay raises and bonuses of $20,000 to $30,000 for "strong student achievement," in exchange for weakened teachers' seniority protections and the end of teacher tenure for one year. Under this new agreement, Rhee fired 241 teachers, the vast majority of whom received poor evaluations, and put 737 additional school employees on notice.[32] Of the dismissed teachers, 76 were dismissed in accordance with the No Child Left Behind Act because they lacked proper teaching certification.[33] 26 other teachers were dismissed because their students had continually received low scores on the District of Columbia Comprehensive Assessment System.[33] Teachers were observed by administrators and outside professionals for five 30-minute sessions during the year, and the teachers' performance was rated during those sessions.[33] Teachers who received fewer than 175 out of 400 points were deemed ineffective and were dismissed.[33] Teachers who received between 175 and 249 points were deemed minimally effective and given a one-year warning to improve their performance.[33]

Rhee's actions have earned her applause from "school reformers" nationwide, as well as the scorn of teacher unions and community activists. Her supporters claim that under Rhee's chancellorship, D.C. Public Schools have greatly improved student achievement. Since 2007, secondary schools have improved their standardized test pass rates by 14% in reading and 17% in math, while elementary school pass rates have improved 6% in reading and 15% in math. Systemwide graduation rates also improved by 3%, up to 72% in 2009. However, significant achievement gaps remain between students in high-performing and low-performing school districts, and between white and African American students.[34]

Rhee's critics said that Rhee's speed left them without input on the changes.[35] The District Council also criticized Rhee for being unresponsive to Council members' requests for information about school operations.[35] From 2008 to 2010, Rhee's approval ratings decreased from 59% to 43%. 28% of African Americans supported Rhee in 2010, down from 50% in 2008.[36]

Rhee definitely made some tough choices and brought results to the community. These are some of the tough choices liberal claim to desire.
Trouble is, when someone starts to make those tough choices and offer solutions, you get people like Harry Reid crying foul on behalf of 'Cowboy Poets' or VP Biden comparing Republicans to rapists. Liberals talk a big game and when Republicans come up with ideas and want to implement those tough choices, they are accused of being racist and uncaring. So, whats the point in trying to work with Democrats across the aisle on anything if they are just going to be excoriated by the liberals for proposing the 'tough choices'.? Our best hope now is that the Democrats lose more seats in the Senate and Obama becomes a one-termer.

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To tie in politics with education reform a no win situation. If you have already decided that only one party has all the answers, then we disagree. I feel that Dr Rhee is definitely on the right track. Learning occurs under the leadership of competent teachers. Sorry I gave an old link. Thanks. She has established an educational foundation where she can independently implement her goals for improving education in the US. This should be a non- partisan issue. . . and her efforts should be supported.

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And any liberal will tell...

you that the solution is easily solved with either

• the "guv" throwing money at the problem, or
• making a political cause célèbre for their own benefit.

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Any liberal will tell you that the solution is easily solved with either

• the "guv" throwing money at the problem, or
• making a political cause célèbre for their own benefit.

Liberal speak is changing with elimination of programs that don't work; the problem is getting fat cats to realize that the big profit days are over. . . But that is considered UN-American by some/ taking from the haves and 'giving' to the have nots. Some sacrifice must be made in order to get us out of this mess. The 'have nots' have little left to sacrifice. The fiscal conservative has been co-opted by a group that is unwilling or unable to find a solution other than regain the White House. What will that accomplish in today's world economy?

And who will that be?

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Any liberal will tell you that the solution is easily solved with either

• the "guv" throwing money at the problem, or
• making a political cause célèbre for their own benefit.

Liberal speak is changing with elimination of programs that don't work; the problem is getting fat cats to realize that the big profit days are over. . . But that is considered UN-American by some/ taking from the haves and 'giving' to the have nots. Some sacrifice must be made in order to get us out of this mess. The 'have nots' have little left to sacrifice. The fiscal conservative has been co-opted by a group that is unwilling or unable to find a solution other than regain the White House. What will that accomplish in today's world economy?

And who will that be?

Please define "Fat Cats"?
The way I see it is we need to weed out the crooks and thieves instead of punishing everyone that works hard and is able to accumulate wealth or property. We have laws, punish the lawbreakers. A lot of the wall street crooks from Goldman Sachs are now part of government.
Punishing the entrepreneurs and risk takers will stifle any growth we could hope for in this economy.
Stealing the fruits of one mans labor in order to redistribute to another out of a sense of government defined "fairness" will never work, rewarding those who try will work and will make America great once again. -GP

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Please define Fat Cats

Those corporate types who flew to Washington in their private jets to ask for OUR money.

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Please define Fat Cats

Those corporate types who flew to Washington in their private jets to ask for OUR money.

DON"T GIVE IT TO THEM! -GP

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Liberal speak is changing with elimination of programs that don't work; the problem is getting fat cats to realize that the big profit days are over. . ..

Davids mom - Are you suggesting that the government should take the profits from profitable companies? That would probably result in reducing the incentive that they have to grow, make profits, and provide jobs.

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But that is considered UN-American by some/ taking from the haves and 'giving' to the have nots.

No, it's considered "Socialism" by most.

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Dadgummit!!!!

I wanted to answer. You guys beat me to it. :-)

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Cy and others

Same answer - no solutions. Call it socialism and feel you've solved the problem. First we have to have leadership that is willing to take the risk to make the tough decisions . Now we're playing the 'you first' game - so the other guy can be blamed for the discomfort that we all must feel before this is corrected. No opinions will be changed here-just expressing another point of view.

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More interesting

Are the comments you don't address,

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What I'm suggesting is for corporations to have the same tax advantages / disadvantages that the average wage earner/ small business has. The current tax laws are so complicated that most of us cannot be sure that we are filing our taxes correctly with out expert help. What I'm suggesting is for leaders to work together in seeking correction to this economic mess rather than gaining a two term majority in Congress. It took years to get to this point. Only a fool would entertain the idea that it could be corrected in two years. . . but we're on the way.

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You may want to respond

To what is being said outside of the Republicsn bubble.

Boehner's statement: it is immoral to leave deep debts to our children.

Republicans across the country are planning deep cuts to programs that are vital to children.

. Pre k Programs
. Infant nutrition
. Health Care
. Funding for schools and teachers
. Support for colleges

I commend Governor Deal who is taking a stand for students and teachers in a difficult economy. Visionary leadership in not cutting off your nose to spite your face.

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Grizz that is always the inevitable destination they all go to.

They can't help themselves between wealth envy and the "taking" of profits it's a road they always travel.

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Davids mom][quote wrote:

Republicans across the country are planning deep cuts to programs that are vital to children.

. Pre k Programs
. Infant nutrition
. Health Care
. Funding for schools and teachers
. Support for colleges

Yup and I see where the black coalition and friends are proclaiming that budget cuts are racist. So are liberals really concerned about defunding programs that don't work?

Oh BTW, remember when the President promised that health care would only cost $65 billion a year well, that figure is now grown by 3X per year according to the CBO as reported by the WSJ. It's going to happen in that some of those programs you noted are going to go without funding because of that growing budget black hole known as "Obama Care". (Hopefully, the Supremes will kill it)

BTW II. Somebody better tell tax cheat Geithner to lighten up a little. He's making his boss and other liberals look bad.

As for your question of who's going to run in 2012, who the heck knows.

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Racist?? The Hope scholarship only helps blacks? The Pre K program only helps blacks? That's an answer that I thought would be beneath you. What about the 'other' Americans whose children are working hard in secondary school so that they can have a chance at a college education. Many of them have parents who are part of the fast disappearing American middle class. Maybe others will do their own research and determine how their own lives will be affected by the proposed Republican cuts. Only the uninformed will be convinced that only 12% of the population will be affected. A third world country is one with an uneducated populace. . . a two class system . . . the haves and the have nots . . no middle class.
You've been to China - -and you know they're gaining on us through technology and educating their youth. We need to cut spending - but not at the cost of neglecting our future in order to balance the budget on the backs of the working poor. We could learn from the Japanese-and all shoulder the pain of a recovery.

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Cyclist wrote:

Yup and I see where the black coalition and friends are proclaiming that budget cuts are racist. So are liberals really concerned about defunding programs that don't work?

So what about this quote is so beneath him? Did he make this up?

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Cy's comment

I always felt he was above bringing in the rhetoric of the far left as well as the far right into these discussions. My mistake.

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Uh Dmom how is stating a fact rhetoric?

"Black lawmakers on Monday said GOP-proposed budget cuts would move the country in the opposite direction of the civil rights movement.

The lawmakers, all members of the Congressional Black Caucus, used the last day of Black History Month to argue the GOP-backed cuts would fall hardest on black Americans. "

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/146633-black-caucus-members-...

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It's selective fear mongering IMO

There are other Americans that this will hurt. IMO this gives those who don't do their research a belief that the Republican proposal will only hurt minorities. Wrong!

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Davids mom wrote:

The radical right is dividing this country. They will not succeed. As someone stated - United We Stand - Divided We Fall !

Doesn't seem to bother you to do it. Seems to me, if you're going to hold someone to a standard, at least meet it yourself. IMHO.

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Never going to happen Hutch

I am still waiting for her to show a little selective outrage to anyone other than I.

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Lack of morals

We could go on for days throwing out names of unethical actions from both parties.

How about Nixon, Haldeman, North, Newt, etc.? From the discussion on this local blog, there are a few here in Fayette County. I didn't vote for Deal - but I applaud his attempt at keeping an eye on the education that is needed for the future of Georgia.

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Gov. Deal

I voted Libertarian and thought Handell was a better Repub choice, but I have to say he's impressed me some since taking over as Governor and maybe I underestimated him somewhat.

The HOPE situation was one that had been kicked down the road and it happened to be the road he just turned on so Deal had to "deal" with it unlike the spineless predecessor in Perdue and the politicians of both parties who didn't want to have to make touch decisions.

Deal stating he'd sign the Sunday slaes bill despite the fact that he doesn't drink alcohol shows in this case that he DOES believe in limited government,even if it's not something he personally does. That usually blows away most Repubs who feel anything they don't personally do should be declared illegal and immoral.

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NUK, Gov Deal & HOPE Scholarship

Agree that the Gov seems to be making some sommon sense decisions in an attempt to solve serious budget problems. And as a parent who, in large part, financed college education for two, I'm just a little tired of the whining from whatever corner about HOPE. If it had been available when our two graduated from HS, they would have been eligible, but know what, we did a little planning on our own, having been of the opinion that we didn't bring those two into the world for the State to educate (beyond HS). When one (BS_Geology)) graduated, went into the private sector and worked for for two yrs ina coal mine (under & over) and building log homes, them decided to return to college, we said, ok, we'll help some but this time, it's mostly on you. He did it and picked up another degree in Engineering. Through a combo of working & student loans (we helped some with rent & living expenses), he wound up with debt of $18,000. After returning to the work force, he was paying the loan off with double payments. After a yr, we paid it off---why? Because we could and he was showing a good work & financial payment ethic. He learned that if you work hard and do the right thing, a reward is somewhere down the road. I don't regret any of the experience but am disgusted that some adults don't appear to be willing to accept their responsibility and now, once having tasted the desserts of state coffers, are whining about the state assuming their responsibility for costs of their child's secondary education.

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Congratulations! There are students who are not as fortunate as your children. I know of several kids who have been in foster homes. They have worked hard to receive the assistance of the Hope scholarship. No parents to help.
. They're not whining. They'll get a job to insure that they get a fighting chance to make it in this world. Education is their 'hope'.

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DMom & "Fortune"

Fortune had nothing to do with my children getting educated. They worked hard in High School,both had jobs while attending college and we made the appropriate financial decisions to pay for it all--no luck involved. Besided, isn't Hope supposed to be a reward for scholarly students NOT parents who, for whatever reason, ignored their parental responsibilities?
And yes, foster kids are a different issue.

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Congratulations.

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Yes his budget cuts for higher education effect thousands who can not afford college. Get after the gambling more! Would GA provide any assistance to college students if not for the lottery?

Now, Deal said BEFORE the election that something had to be done about illegals!!

Already he has backed away because of the farm and construction lobbists!!

Yeah he has got a good start!

Bet he also leaves office a multi-millionaire just as did Perdue!

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OOU - PRINCIPLE/PRINCIPAL

–noun
1.
an accepted or professed rule of action or conduct: a person of good moral principles.
2.
a fundamental, primary, or general law or truth from which others are derived: the principles of modern physics.
3.
a fundamental doctrine or tenet; a distinctive ruling opinion: the principles of the Stoics.
4.
principles, a personal or specific basis of conduct or management: to adhere to one's principles; a kindergarten run on modern principles.
5.
guiding sense of the requirements and obligations of right conduct: a person of principle.
6.
an adopted rule or method for application in action: a working principle for general use.
7.
a rule or law exemplified in natural phenomena, the construction or operation of a machine, the working of a system, or the like: the principle of capillary attraction.
8.
the method of formation, operation, or procedure exhibited in a given case: a community organized on the patriarchal principle.
9.
a determining characteristic of something; essential quality.
10.
an originating or actuating agency or force: growth is the principle of life.
11.
an actuating agency in the mind or character, as an instinct, faculty, or natural tendency: the principles of human behavior.
12.
Chemistry . a constituent of a substance, especially one giving to it some distinctive quality or effect.
13.
Obsolete . beginning or commencement.
—Idioms
14.
in principle, in essence or substance; fundamentally: to accept a plan in principle.
15.
on principle,
a.
according to personal rules for right conduct; as a matter of moral principle: He refused on principle to agree to the terms of the treaty.
b.
according to a fixed rule, method, or practice: He drank hot milk every night on principle.
Origin:
1350–1400; Middle English, alteration of Middle French principe or Latin prīncipium, on the analogy of manciple. See principium

—Can be confused:   principal, principle (see usage note at principal; see synonym note at the current entry )

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By all means, split those hairs, I'm sure you never make mistakes.

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Oou has class.

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Whatever.

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Dmom you are correct

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Good God

Davids mom who cares

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An employer who feels his employee is educated and knowledgable. That spelling mistake is one that many make - and not sure why. Sorry. Didn't mean to offend you .

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Speaking of uneducated employees

Would someone please tell demokkk-rat Chuckie Schumer what the 3 branches of government are? He doesn't know, even though he is in one of them.

Sen. Schumer‘s ’Three Branches’ of Government No Longer Includes Judiciary

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wrong AB2068, DM!

The bill that the Cowardly Lyin' is moaning pitifully about was passed in Callifornia waaaaaay back in 2001 LINK

Do you know what the bill did? It created a standard, uniform checklist for pediatricians to follow to document suspected cases of child abuse.

Horrors!

Naturally, the tin-foil hat crowd views that as meddlesome gummint intrusion into their lives.

One suspects that Observerofu, his parents, and his children all have quite a bit of firsthand knowledge when it comes to state child abuse procedures....

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Bacon great link on California's creep to Socialism.

Only you would link to a site that yells Socialism all the while proclaiming that to do so is tinfoil hattery.

I have to admit when you screw up you go big....

"A bill that passed the Assembly last year, AB2068, requires the screening of children for their "development history." This bill establishes criteria in which physicians are REQUIRED to inquire of KINDERGARTNERS the following:

·Do the parents or other family members have substance abuse problems? It does not specify what kind of substance abuse (tobacco, caffeine, alcohol, aspertaine, ritalin, prozac, aspirin).

·Are the parents employed?

·Is there stress in the family?

·What kind of child care arrangements are the parents taking?

·Are any family members involved in a gang?

·Are any of the neighbors involved in a gang?

·Do the parents spank their children?

·Do the parents watch violent television shows?

·Do the parents keep guns in the house?

·Do the neighbors keep guns in their houses? Are the children required to inspect neighbor's homes for firearm ownership?"

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Oou/bacon

The ab 2068 that I referenced has nothing to do with instructions to principals. It's dated 2010. Oou, did your source make a mistake on the number? If anyone cares to read the ab 2068, check out the link in my post. It might be wise to post the actual bill rather than someones interpretation of the bill.

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Dmom the story on the Dear Collegue letter

has nothing to do with California Bill AB 2068 that I used at the end of my post. It was just a bit of comic relief to end my opinion piece. It is a real bill, however that was introduced in the California's Assembly I believe in 2000 or 2001.

Here is a bit on it... http://www.progress.org/fold157.htm

Nothing that comes out of California surprises me so surprised I am not.

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Your reply and/or attempt at humor is not surprising . Sad.

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Davids mom

What were their names and which companies did they represent?

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Grizz

Google ' corporate heads fly to Washington' or something similar.

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Davids mom

After retrieving many links for cheap flights and charter flights, here is what came up:

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/WallStreet/story?id=6285739&page=1
Big Three CEOs Flew Private Jets to Plead for Public Funds

It was the Obama administration that gave them these funds, against the will of the people. (except unions, of course)

Have you written to President Obama to voice your displeasure with his actions?

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Don't hold your breath Grizz

Dmom is very selective in her outrage. Usually just expressed to the right winged teaparty types.

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I hope that your lack of knowledge of this event indicates that you are serious students who have little or no time to engage in politics other than currently participating on the Citizen. This event happened in 2008. . .and yes, I was definitely involved in letting the President know that I was not pleased with this action - as were many, many citizens in 2008. I'm sure that if I'm wrong about your political involvement in the past few years, you just forgot to let President Obama know how displeased you were in 2008.

However, you might want to research to see if the funds actually helped the three auto companies, and if they have been able to repay part or all of the 'loan'. Also - if the government/taxpayers gained additional funds from the interest.

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Davids mom,

What did your letter to President Obama state? I keep all of the letters that I send to the President. At the rate that he is sytematically screwing up the country, I am writing at least once per month to voice my displeasure.

These "fat cats" that you mentioned flew to Washington with hat in hand and begged for taxpayer funds. You were the one that brought up the "fat cats" flying in to Washington on their corporate jets, and now you appear to be defending them because you read that they paid the loan back in full. Are you defending them now because Obama was the one that loaned them the money? Selective outrage, indeed.

GM paid back the funds with borrowed TARP funds - in other words, they cooked their books just so that they could announce that they paid back the loan. Meanwhile, Obama robbed shareholders of their rightful money from the transaction and gave it all to the Unions that got him elected into office. Kind a payback. Real sleazy, corrupt stuff - and President Obama was the one responsible.

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I hope you're not going into law. Why would you ask me who these 'fat cats' were if you had already addressed your displeasure with this bail out? Why are you surprised that I have followed up on the expenditure of taxpayer money - and the results of the loan? You have proof that their books were 'cooked'? You didn't even have knowledge of this incident the other day - and now you're an expert. Wonderful. Yeah - you're right, Obama is at fault for everything since the dawn of day. Have a great week!

Now we'll have oou's comment. What a show!

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No answers from you - just insults. Sad.
Do you always do that when you are on the wrong end of an argument or losing the debate?

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Grizz - Kettle/Pot

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Why would you ask me who these 'fat cats' were if you had already addressed your displeasure with this bail out? Why are you surprised that I have followed up on the expenditure of taxpayer money - and the results of the loan? You have proof that their books were 'cooked?'

You didn't answer my questions.

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Gm, Chrysler, and who was the third auto company?

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Just two. Ford said they didn't need it - and they didn't.

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. Oops!

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