Is this being taught in your School?

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We have all read, well some of us, the Preamble to the Constitution it goes like this.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Well according to the New Preamble it does not go far enough.

Here is the new Socialist version being taught TODAY maybe in your school.

Disguised as a reading exercise, the Preamble has been turned into a five page choral project with commentary planted inside this very simple sentence. Here is an example. Make note of what the children (R5, R6, & R7) are being asked to read after the words ‘promote the general welfare’:

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare,
1. Peoples basic needs must be met in a Country

2. Needs for our housing, education, transportation and health care are overseen by our government system

3. Labor Laws ensure that people work in safe environments and that they are paid fairly for the work that they do.

and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

This program was created by the NEA for Teachers to teach the "Constitution" by rote and repetition of grade school students.
Those are the words being chanted over and over and over by school children around the country.

When did the Preamble or the Constitution include the government meeting the people’s needs for housing, transportation and health care?

This program is going on in hundreds of Schools across the Country and is one of the most popular by Teachers in the 6th- 8th grade.

This is how and why we have 20 something year olds "Noodle heads" that think the owners of businesses that they work for should just give the employees the business as equals.

Wisconsin Labor Protests and International Socialism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M3DLGP4UKQ&feature=player_embedded

http://www.teachercreatedmaterials.com/reading/buildingFluency

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All information © 2011 TheBlaze LLC

Passing more copyrighted articles off as your own again, thief?

I wonder how Blaze writer Mike Opelka feels about you stealing his article and not even giving him credit?

Source of stolen article

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Are you saying that no one else has reported it?

So if I now comment on anything that has been reported by any other source you call that stealing?

Have you ever commented on a news story bacon? Did you credit your source?

Now you see if you say yes then I have at least 4 story's of yours ready so go ahead and say it.

You see it might have come from here:
http://www.patriotactionnetwork.com/group/youthindoctrination/forum/topi...

or here:
http://www.missourieducationwatchdog.com/2011/03/teaching-socialism-to-g...

or here:
http://thedaleygator.wordpress.com/2011/03/02/socialist-mantra-hidden-in...

Or any other of a half a dozen story's about this.

You see bacon ole boy I can read from a lot of sources, write a topic using many varied entries and not have to accredit any. I am not a journalist and I am not under any obligation to name my source. That is, no more then you do. Since you use few.

So why don't you argue your points if you have any. Do you agree is this right or wrong.

Bacon you simply are a fool. You can't argue sensibly or with any real intelligence so you go off on tangents and attack the poster in an attempt to divert anyone from the real point.

You do realize no one cares about "our" little dust ups don't you? You do realize no one cares about your's or even my opinion. This cyber stalking and continued insults will not stop me from posting so you can continue to be the obnoxious cretin that we have come to enjoy, but to what purpose, what endgame?

Since you disabled your link here I will help you out.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/socialist-mantra-hidden-in-grade-school-...

Now tell me just how I am not allowed to make comments.

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Theft is theft

Stealing entire copyrighted articles is theft. Period.

You dropped the author's name and the copyright notice and attempted to pass the entire article off as your own work.

That's theft.

Good thing that silly little annoyances like site rules don't apply to people like you, right?

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Well I am back to this.

People can read. I linked the article you claimed I stole. Your link suspiciously won't work.

Bacon you have become a troll. Look at the topics you write. No one reads them and no one comments on them. Have you ever for a minute wondered why?.

Now granted there are not a lot of new people here and it is the same ones over and over. These are the ones that either have time on their hands or engaged enough to express their thoughts. But every one of them will argue their point of view. Right, wrong it doesn't matter they will at least engage and defend their statements.

You don't.

You simply go from topic to topic trolling along looking for something to disagree with. When you find it, you invariably say the person is wrong without ever arguing the point or expressing your own ideas or views. God help the poster if they defend their view, because, Hell itself returns in the form of insults, innuendos, misquotes or just outright fabrications.

You consistently take people out of context and assign meaning to statements they never intend OR you will simply assign meaning completely fabricated to what was really said.

As far as the article goes if the moderator believes I have acted improperly then he can remove it. I linked to the article from the Blaze as well as a few others so he can read it for himself. Again unlike you I don't fear the arguments I don't need someone to fight my battles. This is not the first time you have cried out for help.

But bacon it still does not change the basic fact that you stalk people here and attempt to bully them into silence. You have done this many times in different persona's, sniffles to name just one there are others.

For someone who praises his own "secondary" education status so much you seem to lack even the most basic civility or even ability to converse with others, even those you don't feel are your peers.

btw- did you get Ira Schnapp permission to use his logo he created?
How about DC Comics? You know that pic is copyrighted didn't you

Like you said Theft is Theft.

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Theft is theft

Still trying to rationalize your theft of intellectual property?

You steal the copyrighted works of others and pass them off as your own.

You spam this site with fringe right articles, violating fair use copyright laws (PTC Observer once said the same thing you said, that if Cal and company had a problem with his TOS violations that Cal could take it up with him. Ask PTC Observer how that turned out).

You put words in other peoples mouth and then "quote" them (Your misrepresenting the NY Times quote was a classic).

And when you get called out on your dishonesty, you squeal like a pig in outrage....because the site rules don't apply to YOU

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That's some good comedy right there.

I mean haranguing someone over the improper use of copyrighted material WHILE you use Copyrighted material without permission is some good comedic irony.

Keep calling for mommy bacon. I don't think helps coming this time for you.
Can't be mocking the moderator's Military service and then go asking for help from the same person you mocked.

btw-care to link just one instance where I "put words in other mouths" or are you just going to make the charge without ever backing it up like normal?
That's your tactic I tend to argue points made not something made up like you.

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Still waiting, ObserverofU

The classic example of you putting words in someone's mouth:

Observerofu wrote:

Progressives and Liberals host “Anti-honor” Rally this Saturday. At least that is how the New York Times bills it.

Don't tell us you don't remember this classic!

Still waitin' for you to provide proof that the NY Times said this!

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and here you go again bacon

"Let’s examine what you call a lie I will even use your example.

Progressives and Liberals host “Anti-honor” Rally this Saturday.
Now that was the title of my topic. Nowhere in that title do I explicitly or even infer that this was in any way a headline from any newspaper.

The second line was “At least that is how the New York Times bills it.

Now you used this one line as your absolute evidence of a LIE by claiming I am STATING that the New York Times has written an article with the title of “Anti-honor” or “Anti-Beck”. This never occurred. It was an opinion based on editorials written by the Times and the commentary of Maddow and Oberman on MSNBC. This was later defined in later postings. I provided links to the stories themselves. Nowhere did I ever state I was quoting an article. So by misstating that fact intentionally is what the definition of a lie is.
Definition of a lie:
–noun
1.
a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; anintentional untruth; a falsehood.
2.
something intended or serving to convey a false impression;imposture: His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.
3.
an inaccurate or false statement.
http://www.thecitizen.com/node/4172

Here is the link now look at post #22 through #32 the argument is clearly defined. You claimed I said the topic was from an article from the Times it was never said or even implied. Yet you still persist months later.

You have made this an art. You take statements from others not ideologically aligned with you and then falsely claim they said something else.
Then you go from topic to topic telling the lies trying to convince others of your superior intelligence and moral authority.

Bacon as I have said before you are a pseudo-intellectual. You really should look to JeffC as your example of someone who has intellect and character and would serve yourself best by emulating him.
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Just because you don't like the answer doesn't mean it has never been answered.

Now how did I put words in someones mouth exactly?

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Just get a room

Wow! Will you two just get a room?

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ahh it's all fun and games BHH

Bacon and I have a bit of history. I love to debate points and arguments and he loves to disagree.

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OOU

A bit of advice. Some are broken beyond repair, Bacon's Humpty has already cracked and all the Kings men..well, you know the rest. -GP

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Georgia H8riot, I thought of you...

Georgia H8riot, I read this article today and immediately thought of you...

Why Evangelicals Hate Jesus

"Of course, conservative Americans have every right to support corporate greed, militarism, gun possession, and the death penalty, and to oppose welfare, food stamps, health care for those in need, etc. -- it is just strange and contradictory when they claim these positions as somehow "Christian." They aren't."

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So Bacon

you post a link to an article by an ATHEIST BASHING CHRISTIANITY and I am supposed to be impressed? Check out your author Zuckerman's views here: http://www.atheistmedia.com/2008/10/phil-zuckerman-society-without-god.html And how does your mind go from my opposition to SOCIALISM to my supporting corporate greed, or corruption of any kind as far as that goes? And I support militarism? Does that mean I support the military and believe we should have a STRONG DEFENSE? Well I guess you got me on that one, guilty. You are a lot like your hero Obama, clueless when it comes to understanding REAL Americans, somehow "clinging to God and Guns" because we just don't get it, well, NEWSFLASH...America is Waking up and WE GET IT! -GP

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Interesting Chinese View on Christianity

Seems the Chinese have studied what made America great(in the past sorry to say), Christianty AND CAPITALISM, no mention of islam or socialism..hmmmmm..??.. http://ionainstitute.ie/index.php?id=1336 -GP

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"...wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross."
Georgia H8riot wrote:

you post a link to an article by an ATHEIST BASHING CHRISTIANITY and I am supposed to be impressed? Check out your author Zuckerman's views here: http://www.atheistmedia.com/2008/10/phil-zuckerman-society-without-god.html

True to form, you refuse to address any issues raised, opting instead to attack the author of the article.

Georgia H8riot wrote:

And how does your mind go from my opposition to SOCIALISM to my supporting corporate greed, or corruption of any kind as far as that goes? And I support militarism? Does that mean I support the military and believe we should have a STRONG DEFENSE? Well I guess you got me on that one, guilty. You are a lot like your hero Obama, clueless when it comes to understanding REAL Americans, somehow "clinging to God and Guns" because we just don't get it, well, NEWSFLASH...America is Waking up and WE GET IT! -GP

Yes, we've heard your oft-stated premise that anyone that disagrees with your political positions is by definition (by your definition, anyway) "socialist" and/or "evil".

Sinclair Lewis described people like you when he famously opined that "'When fascism comes to this country, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross."

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NEWSFLASH Bacon is right for a change
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True to form, you refuse to address any issues raised, opting instead to attack the author of the article.

Pot and Kettle thing here bacon.

Chris P. Bacon wrote:

Sinclair Lewis described people like you when he famously opined that "'When fascism comes to this country, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross."

...and wait for it. Drum Roll Please........

"Obama: 'I'm a Christian by choice'"
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2010/09/obama-im-a-...

Even a blind squirrel can find a nut every now and then.

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Observerofu

It's pretty obvious.

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Unfortunately BHH I think Bacon has a crush on me.

Now he is posting Gay articles for me and singing to me. He stalks me from topic to topic just so he can "talk" to me.

It's flattering I admit but I don't play for the other team so he is barking up the old proverbial wrong tree.

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Yea we know

You must have been lovers. Maybe in a previous life.

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Ooooh, Oh no, ..I just pictured.....

James Carville and Mary Matalin!!! Now I need to go take a shower! -GP

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Dude I just threw up a little

Great just before I go home to momma you have to put THAT mental picture in my head. Thanks. ;-)

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Bulimia?

Bulimic, Observerofu? Very interesting....Bulimia is somewhat of a rarity in men. Rare in heterosexual men, that is

♬♬ Sweet Homo Alabama ♬ ♪♪

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Insulting Gay Americans now Bacon?

Well you might as well, you've gone after everyone else so you might as well attack another minority.

Going to put another racist tag line up? How about a Gay bashing one this time?

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BHH, I think we are going to have to start calling these two the

Bickersons---you are probably too young to remember them but that is who these guys remind me of. Sounds like love talk to me.

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MYTMITE & History

Just wondering why we're doing "re-runs" from 2010?

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Need a good laugh....

I heard this yesterday while listening to KRTH - yes Robert W Morgan your last station - while stuck in traffic in the Sepulveda Pass in LA.

Turn up the volume.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C5Rnb7J3sU&feature=player_embedded

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Cy

now that was funny. Thanks.

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Cyclist - LOL

Now we know why DM is so angry and confused.

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Hi PTCO

I must have missed your answer to my question. What does this 'freedom from government' that you espouse look like? I'm not angry at all. . . .nor confused. Just interested in how others think. Thanks.

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Hello DM

Think, what do you mean?

What's to think about in the phrase, "freedom from government"?

What do you think the government does with 83,000 pages of regulations in a year? Every year, year end year out and increasing it's volume of regulations at an ever increasing rate. Do you think this doesn't impact your freedom? Do you think that regulations on every thing from cars, toliets, lightbulbs, recording devices, batteries, ceiling fans, property sitting on wetlands, windows, emissions, CAFE standards, etc. etc. etc. have anything to do with "freedom from government"? Do you think? Do you think it makes us more competitive in the world? Do you think that if they could regulate your body, they would? Do you think? Do you think that failed educational systems that we pour more and more money into every year have anything to do with it? Do you think? Do you think that government regulation over our food supply has anything to do with what is produced in food products? Do you think that the cost of regulating that food supply exceeds the country's net farm income may have an impact on our food costs? Do you think? Do you think that taxing and regulating every step in the production of oil production and delivery have any thing to do with the high price of energy? Do you think?

I could go on, and on, and on, but confused or not, I THINK you get the point?

The real question mom is can you ever see a government that doesn't regulate our lives? Do you think?

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No regulation?

No 'government' stop lights at intersections? No guidelines for safe preparation of food? No inspections to make sure our childrens toys are not riddled with lead? Your broad brush rhetoric is dangerous.. . and thoughtless.

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Where in the Constitution does Traffic lights come in..DM?

Just wondering if you can show me where exactly I can find that power to regulate in the 18 Enumerated powers of Government?

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Sounds like liberalism is a problem Down Under as well

I forwarded this to each member of the school board on the off chance that they are not avid readers of these blogs. Yes indeed, good old personal responsibility, probably the most important part of my generation's upbringing (1950's and 60's) and now 50 years later it is the total absence of this that is the cause of so many problems. How does that degradation happen in such a short time span? Seems like somebody really had to work at that.

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How does that degradation happen in such a short time span? Seems like somebody really had to work at that.

Maybe apathy and/or greed? Parental responsibility or lack there of is certainly high on the list!

In all fairness, to paint the public education offered in Fayette County with such a broad brush is unfair - and unwise if we want young families to come here and buy our property at these low prices!

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Don't worry Mom - we built it and they will come

The school system was changed from a rural system with little thought given to social issues under Trigg Darymple to a nanny state system encouraged by all the liberal yankees moving down here - some of whom got on the school board. We "progressed" with the times and we have a system that seems well-equipped to raise our kids for us. Of course they are $10million out of whack, but that's nobody's fault.

And of course we have lots of young GenX parents brought up on video games by baby boomers who are certainly convinced that the school system should raise their kids for them. I mean both parents have to work to afford that big house, 3 cars, 4 mountain bikes, golf cart and all those flat screen TVs. That personal responsibility thing is something quaint that their grandparents used to talk about back before they were born. Don't you worry Mom, our school system is perfect for hands-off parenting. And with a nod to Lennie Presburg and John Lennon - "No religion, too". Perfect.

And then we have next generation of parents coming up - the Y2 somethings that can talk or have any social interaction unless they are texting, the ones who learned about different kinds of sex from Bill Clinton. The ones who think tramp stamps at age 13 is ok. Oh yea, plenty of hope for the future.

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Geez rwm

Get a little sunshine in your life - that doom and gloom must be depressing! LOL!

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Read what I wrote Mom. Tell me I'm wrong.

Anything I said in my "doom and gloom" diatribe false?

Anything untrue?

Any reason to expect more out of the next 2 generations?

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You're entitled to your opinion. I think you're wrong .

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Right you are Mom, I'll rewrite it so you agree with me

If I was wrong in yesterday's post, then this revised version must be right.

We have a great school system that stresses self-reliance among the student body and is completely free of nanny state meddling that we see in other school systems. Student athletics is especially competitive, but not at the expense of a strong educational foundation. Our SAT scores are among the highest in the state and a very high % of our kids go on to college. Our graduation rate is close to 100% an the dropout rate miniscule. The only reason we are $10million in the hole is that those pesky ambitious kids from Clayton and Fulton admire our schools so much they lie and cheat to be a part of it. Our kids and administrators being good Christians simply look the other way because that's what Jesus would do.

The Gen-Xer's are perfectly positioned to be excellent parents on their own. They have grown up with amazing technological advances. You can look up how to breast feed on Wikipedia and if you want to discuss the birds and bees with your offspring - your i-phone has an app for that. Church attendance is way up and people are contributing more and more to charities. This is expected to increase as the next generation realizes that their success is the result of government giveaways and they step up to the plate to "give back"some of their largesse to the "less fortunate". Dual income couples (not necessarily married) generate plenty of extra income that can be shared with others. Latchkey kids are the result of dual income couples and that is good because they are taught self-reliance at a very early age.

The future looks bright as government has shown its willingness to provide the infastructure for this free-thinking and progressive society in the form of entitlements upon which every citizen receives some money back from the government and of course free health care without the daily struggle to get up early and go to work. Instead these people volunteer in food banks, hospitals, homeless shelters and "give beck" their time to benefit the "less fortunate". Yes indeed, the future looks very bright in that shining city on the hill.

That more to your liking, Mom?

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Sarcasm I like it...

but sadly it will be lost on most.

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Sarcasm, Principle, Love

If you've never had a neighbor help you by bringing in your trash from the street; picking up your mail for you while you're out of town,; a friend or stranger holding the door for you; friend of your child bringing home the homework assignment when your child was sick; - none of these acts is one entitled to nor do they cost anything - but demonstrates "love your neighbor as you love yourself". True, there are those who take advantage of similar demonstration of principle. They're called criminals and in our communities, they come in all colors. It wasn't a student from Clayton County who brought an arsenal of guns to one of our schools. Your fear and antagonism towards people of color or people who are poor is pathetic. You represent the Ugly American to a tee. Fight corruption, greed, ignorance wherever it is found and the majority of Americans will agree with you. Base your fight on a persons income, race, religion, or where they live - and IMO you sir are wrong as wrong can be. There was a sad human being on television today who was against government interference - but wanted his food stamps, because he needed to eat and didn't have a job. There was another human being who was delighted to take advantage of the system- and proud that he didn't have to work in order to eat. The concept of working together in order to maintain our communities and our country is what works. Selfish individualism leads to class warfare, racism, and divisiveness. In our country, given equal opportunity, coupled with hard work and achievement based on principle should be the goal for all Americans. Some will achieve more than others - based on their individual efforts. Americans are moving toward the ideal where color, religion, etc., does not dictate ones success.

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You are a difficult one to please, Mom

It has got to be one way or the other but you don't like either one, so I'm just going to stop trying. BTW, I didn't mention race in either scenario.

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Speaking in code
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It has got to be one way or the other but you don't like either one, so I'm just going to stop trying. BTW, I didn't mention race in either scenario.

My friends are teaching me how to decode ignorance. You and those like you are transparent and a minority in Fayette County.

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Wow DM you just called us all Ignorant and a Racist

all in one post... Padawan you have learned well.

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You and those like you are transparent and a minority in Fayette County.

You, sir are in the MINORITY. The rest of the citizens of Fayette County are hardly ignorant or racist. Get it?

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Oh DM so you are calling me both ignorant and a racist..

I get it DM... Anyone that disagrees with you is both ignorant and a Racist.

Would you like to place into evidence either of those two assumptions or are you just going to call me names then run home and refuse to play?

Let's put it to the test on the ignorant assumption you said:

Davids mom wrote:

No 'government' stop lights at intersections? No guidelines for safe preparation of food? No inspections to make sure our childrens toys are not riddled with lead? Your broad brush rhetoric is dangerous.. . and thoughtless.

Now dust off that vaunted secondary education of yours and tell me just where in the Constitution I might find any of that?

Now since I am the slow one you will need to actually point that out.

Now on assumption number #2 that I am a Racist... what do you base this on.. Please provide evidence if you can.

Please DM show me the error of my ways or is this just another fantasy of yours like that secret knowledge that you have of that racist cabal in the Teaparty.

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LOL! Your own words and expressions are enough for all who can comprehend. You are absolutely correct - I feel you are ignorant and a racist. There are a majority of citizens in FC who are not! The logic as used by our founding fathers and all leaders since 1776 have met the social and economic needs and mores of the changing times. You are having difficulty changing. That's your problem - and does not represent the current thinking in the new south. Your words are evidence enough SL. Keep talking. LOL!

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Still waiting on you DM to prove your assumptions

Can't do it can you..?

Can't find where Government has the authority that you stated in the Constitution can you and yet you call me ignorant?

Where are those examples of Racism DM? Can't find it either can you?

It would seem the only one here who is truly transparent for being what they are .... IS YOU.

Come on DM.. You constantly denigrate others educational levels.. Show us in the Constitution where you find the power of Government to regulate Traffic Signals or even Food safety?

Do you believe the Constitution is just open to interpretation?

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SL - Secondary Education
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Secondary education is the stage of education following primary education. Except in countries where only primary or basic education is compulsory, secondary education includes the final stage of compulsory education

According to the statistics of Fayette County, the majority of residents in this county have completed the compulsory secondary education. (K-12) Fortunately in our country - this is no longer considered something to be 'vaunted'. I'm sure you have completed your education far beyond the 12th grade - formally or through life experience. The 'paper or certificate' is not what is important - but how one uses the knowledge that he/she has acquired. Learning in a lifelong experience - hopefully.

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S. Lindsey

Didn't you know? Ignorance is DM's code word for racism.

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DM, Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, Crazy Louie their all the same

Race pimps and Race baiters... In their view the USA is a Racist Country and nothing has been improved since slavery.

It's a shame really because of people like them race relations will never move out of the gutter where it's been for decades.

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To prefect your socialist vision you need to remove all that Jesus and giving to charity stuff. No need for charity, it doesn't work anyway. Just replace Jesus with "The State", then you'll have it right.

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The school system was changed from a rural system with little thought given to social issues under Trigg Darymple to a nanny state system encouraged by all the liberal yankees moving down here - some of whom got on the school board

A 40 year resident translated this for me. The school system was changed from a segregated system to an integrated system. Sad.

It's integrated and still one of the best in the state.

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Integration in the South

DM, the schools systems in Georgia were desegregated in 1964-1966, I know I was a student then. I never saw any problems in school during this period, unlike Boston, Newark, and several other school systems in the north.

I can tell you that there were more problems desegregating restaurants as a friend and I found out through personal experience. It was not a sit in, just a cup of coffee.

I went to DeKalb county schools system headed then by Mr. Jim Cherry one of the finest educators in the south. We had the best school system in Georgia with SAT scores consistently higher than the rest of the state. Busing was then mandated by the state to "equalize" education. Today, I don't think DeKalb schools are the top rated school system in Georgia.

Here's an interesting article recently published on SAT scores in Georgia, doesn't look too good. Why the dip? Read on.

http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2011/09/14/both-national-and-geor...

So, what's the answer DM? Well I would say that the government schools have failed our students, our teachers, and our parents. The answer is right in front of you, it's called privatizing schools and letting the market reward success. Let's get government out of educating our kids.

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According to Maureen, even the private schooled students in GA are ' dipping'. If you are getting rid of public education, what are you offering to make future generations competitive?

Fayette County is tops in the state, but PTCO, Georgia is #48 out of 50 states in academic achievement. I commend GA's governor for focusing on education. I congratulate Ga. for receiving a GOVERNMENT grant to improve the educational offerings in his state. Should the citizens refuse this help?

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A good education, is the promise.

The fact that Georgia is giving out yet another grant into a failed system shouldn't make us all jump for joy.

Citizens should demand only the best that a free market can deliver through freedom of choice. Teachers, students, and parents will ultimately win in a market based system.

Georgia is 48th out of 50 but it's the 50 that's not competitive in a world economy. Education is only one reason. Privatize the public schools.

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Have you seen the strategies that won the grant? This funding depends on programs that can be monitored for progress - not the same ole same ole. Can you give us an example of a free market program that is delivered through freedom of choice? Thanks.

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of education?

If so, we had freedom of choice up until the turn of the twentieth century.

I recommend "Reclaiming Education" by Jim Tooley as a good start for you DM.

If you can stomach looking beyond government for answers and you're interested in the history of private educational systems read, "Education and the State" 3rd Edition by Edwin G. West.

This should address your curiosity on this subject.

Or, were you just asking a general question about free market systems?

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If so, we had freedom of choice up until the turn of the twentieth century.;

Oh really? As a minority women, I don't recall the history as it affected me and mine as a 'freedom of choice' situation. But that is neither here nor there. What is your picture of this free market concept as applied to education?

Please don't refer me to books that I have already discussed with others. What is your description of this non-government 'freedom of choice' education program for American children? Schools of Choice, private schools that are geared to a childs interest and skill leavel; community schools run by parents with some government assistance; - what are you talking about that would insure that the majority of our children in the United States would be equipped to compete academically with the children in other parts of the world?

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If you have read Jim's book you would know all this already, so why do I need to enlighten you on something you already know?

Here's another book that you should read, The Beautiful Tree - How the world's poorest people are educating themselves by James Tooley.

Perhaps you could do something worthwhile with the rest of your life and go to India. Then again, I don't think you could stand the poverty.

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It's no wonder we rank near

It's no wonder we rank near the bottom when compared to other countries when we engage in collective testing practices and do not teach real subjects in our intermediate schools. Instead of focusing on specific strengths and weaknesses of children at a young age, we lump them all together and force them to take classes that may well serve them no purpose. While China, Korea and other aspiring world powers focus their students on mastering science, math, and business administration, our schools seek to inculcate our children with nonsensical hyphenated study programs.

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Let's hope some of the young researchers are seeing what you see - and are making meaningful changes! The problem with change in the US is that we swing too far in the beginning before reaching a sensible solution to a problem.

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Integration in the South

I agree that what I have found in Fayetteville is an example of American living at it's best. Just wonder why some are so intent to belittle the progress that has been made.

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they are human?

Progress is in the eye of the beholder. I see race baiting every day right here on this blog DM. Some, just can't seem to let it go.....you know what I mean? That's because many use race as their business card.

People who constantly point out our differences as opposed to our similarities divide us each day. They make us question our neighbor's aims, breed distrust and generally make us wary of another group because of the color of their skin.

The only race I want to belong to is the human race. For the most part, I think, most people let me do this.

However, we're all human DM. ;-)

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No disagreement here. I think the humans that I have come in contact with the past 8 years fit the decription of those who are striving for cooperation and peace. (A few obvious exceptions)

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the option I like best is 'if you'd like to hear this in another language'! How very true.

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Teacher tells eighth grade class to dig up dirt on GOP field

This is exactly what is wrong with our education system. With the Teachers Unions and SEIU joined at the hip radical Socialism is being taught in our schools.

"President Obama may have a secret weapon to propel him to victory in November -- an eighth grade class in Virginia, whose students were told by their teacher to do opposition research on the GOP presidential field and then pass along whatever they found to the Obama campaign. Students in the Liberty Middle School honors class were divided into four groups, one for each Republican contender. "This assignment was just creepy beyond belief -- like something out of East Germany during the Cold War," one father told the Daily Caller."

Between having Teachers teach mantras and chants about Obama to outright indoctrination of students we have long ago lost control of the schools system. The Radicals control the Whitehouse and our Educational system..

Our Future doesn't look so bright as it once did... that is unless you WANT Government and Business controlling your freedom of choice.

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Lindsey- Teacher should be reprimanded

I would hope that this "teacher" has been reprimanded!!!!

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Dude.. Right now no...

They are still teaching and the Board is reviewing the situation.

Read that as they are covering their tracks since they have been caught indoctrinating children.