Media Bias? CNN ANCHOR VIGOROUSLY PRAISES EGYPT’S MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD

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CIA report on khilāfa

CIA's Report On Caliphate of the Future

http://forum.hizbuttahrir.org/showthread.php?t=55

HILTON OAK LAWN HOSTS ISLAMIC CALIPHATE CONFERENCE!

http://ztruth.typepad.com/ztruth/2009/07/hilton-oak-lawn-hosts-islamic-c...

The Fall of Capitalism & The Rise of Islam Conference in Chicago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN1h2SufeNA

Nah, never mind nothing to see here move along people move along.

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Followed for years, eh?

The Muslim Brotherhood predates Hezbollah by several decades. That being the case, it's hardly a Hezbollah spin off.

Hassan al-Banna established the order in the late 20s. He was also quite a fan of and friend to Hitler. There are many photos of the two together online. Google is your friend.

But worry not. There really is life beyond Rush and Hannity. It's just waiting for you.

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Observerfor me, I´ve just got to ask this question....

Typically we blog with a prurpose, to motivate a change of thinking or support a particular policy or course of action.

In this Muslim Brotherhood story, what would you have us do? What, in your opinion, should happen?

I guess I am missing something.

Cheers

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Good Morning to ya kevink

The purpose is to inform. Mainstream media has completely dropped the ball.

Sort of like listening to the weather report. They know a very bad storm is coming.

Would you rather they tell you or would you rather they didn't?

One allows you to prepare. The other leaves you in relative peace at least until the storm hits.

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A "Storm is coming" Observer?????

I guess I am missing something. How is the Muslim Brotherhood going to infiltrate and defeat the strongest country on the face of the Earth? That's like fearing hamas. There is not a doggone thing they can do to us. They will not convert us. They will not overthrow our government. Our women will not magically start wearing burkas. I'm sorry, but this seems like a prime example of overreacting to a story which will have a minimal effect on our part of the world.

Cheers mate.

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Cheers - Kevink

Cheers

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Nudge kevink Nudge

Just like all things that are removed from us and done to us in the name of Government.

Slowly by a little nudge here a little nudge there.

Let me give you a scenario.

Now here is the setup.

Say gas has gone up to 8, $9, or even $10 dollars a gallon and you are only able to purchase a certain amount.

Food prices are up 140% that is what you can find.

30-40%+ un-employment.

Now just how many Americans would trade a little of their FREEDOM for cheap gas, food and security?

Think about it. You think maybe 45-50%. I do.

Now let's say a strong Islamic Nation has emerged and instead of suicide bombers a different tact was taken.

Cheap fuel. Would the current crop of politicians have the stomach to say no to the offer? What would saying no mean? Egypt styled riots, Greece maybe.
We would only have to give up a little bit right now. We could go back to the movies and taking vacations all would be normal for awhile that is.

The scenario above is from a book titled Prayers for the Assassin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayers_for_the_Assassin

You should read it. Although it is a work of fiction the plot is entirely plausible.

You see being nudged into the direction the Government wants is easy for then to do they just nudge you. You don't really notice it until the salt shakers are removed from the restaurant.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aDv_NovKZYoU

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"prayers for the assassin"

I imagine that book has a place of honor on that single row of books you call your library. It's right next to "The Turner Diaries" and "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion", right?

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Another scenario OOU

The US is attacked by a terrorist group. The government then responds by proposing a law that gave to government the power to access everyone's medical and tax records. Wiretapping of "proximate people" of a suspect is allowed. Warrantless searches are allowed, as are secret searches of homes and businesses if no one is there. These searches never have to be disclosed. Lists are to be kept of the books you buy or check out of the library. The librarian or book store owners face prosecution if they disclose to you that this information is being gathered about you. The legislation gives the President the power to designate someone as an enemy. After such a designation, a citizen can then be detained, they can tried in absentia using secret evidence that does not have to be disclosed. Evidence and confessions can be obtained by coercion or torture and that evidence can then be used in court.

Would the people rise up and speak out or would they support the new legislation as a necessary erosion of their rights if it might make them a little safer? Here on this blog many people rose up and spoke out, but they were clamoring for the new Patriot Act not for their rights.

Why just nudge? All the government has to do is say a law is necessary to fight against terrorists and huge numbers of people will line up to surrender their rights.

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I'm with Jeff on this one, with amendments

We would have to be careful with the "torture" part Jeff mentions.
We are having right now to be careful with blasting Egypt for daily torture that is playing out there now everyday!
Why? Because "we" sent many there during our ten year war for just that purpose---they might tell on us with proof if we go too far!

I find it hard to fathom where "torture" is automatic upon arrest, I suppose to warn others not to have an opinion or a vote. Not only "torture," but brutal--often to death--torture, a little at a time for days. It is unbelievable and I won't enumerate the details here.

So, Jeff let's leave that one out and simply eliminate all those suspicious people quickly and permanently. Someone may tell on us again someday!

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Oh Jeff you are SO correct

scary huh? Sounds a liitle like the Patriot act huh?

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Democrats & Tea Party vs. Republicans & President Obama?

Yesterday was living proof of the old adage that "politics makes for strange bedfellows".

The Obama administration asked Congress to renew two expiring provisions of the so-called Patriot act, the "roving wiretap" provision and the "library card" provision.

The Republican party, which of course loves to snoop into all aspects of American lives in the name of "national security", fast-tracked the legislation through the House of Representatives. Fast-tracking is reserved for "non-controversial" legislation, and requires 2/3 votes to pass.

122 Freedom loving Democrats, together with 26 Tea Party Republicans, stopped that legislation cold.

You read that right: The Democrats and the Tea Party banded together to defeat the Republicans and the Obama administration.

Bi-partisanship we can be proud of!

Edited to add: Tea party nutbaggette Michelle Bachmann voted with the Republicans.

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The Storm

It has been raining Islamic Extremism for quite some time and the local weatherman(big media)continues to ignore it! Speaking of rain, does anyone here remember the bodies falling from the sky on 9/11 like raindrops? I and many more like me will NEVER forget. We can't even call an act of terrorism what it is, we must call it a "manmade disaster"! Just close your eyes america, maybe the bad man will go away..or maybe he will kill you while your eyes are closed, your choice. -GP

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For those that think Repubs screw the poor...

... do your homework... or better yet, just read a book by Liberal journalist and author Arthur Brooks, "Who Really Cares, the Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism", if you dare too.

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It was a joke darrylwd

How many Republican lawmakers does it take to change a light bulb?

Thirteen.

One to point out that the old bulb worked fine before Obama came into office.
One to threaten to shut down the government if the cost of the new bulb increases the deficit.
One to question the patriotism of the old bulb for burning out while we are still fighting terrorists.
One to issue a no-bid contract to Halliburton to take out the old bulb.
One to read the Constitution to see if changing light bulbs is an enumerated function of government.
One to claim that the life of the bulbs should be measured from the time they were manufactured.
One to write legislation making it illegal for children to use the light from the new bulb to study the socialism taught in public schools.
One to amend that legislation to ban illegal aliens from using light from the new bulb for any purpose.
One to reminisce about how light bulbs were better when they were kids
One to condemn the union workers who made the old bulb.
One to be interviewed on FOX and claim that liberals wanted to stay in the dark.
One to hold the chandelier.
And one to screw in the new light bulb.

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JeffC wrote:

How many Republican lawmakers does it take to change a light bulb?

Thirteen.

One to point out that the old bulb worked fine before Obama came into office.
One to threaten to shut down the government if the cost of the new bulb increases the deficit.
One to question the patriotism of the old bulb for burning out while we are still fighting terrorists.
One to issue a no-bid contract to Halliburton to take out the old bulb.
One to read the Constitution to see if changing light bulbs is an enumerated function of government.
One to claim that the life of the bulbs should be measured from the time they were manufactured.
One to write legislation making it illegal for children to use the light from the new bulb to study the socialism taught in public schools.
One to amend that legislation to ban illegal aliens from using light from the new bulb for any purpose.
One to reminisce about how light bulbs were better when they were kids
One to condemn the union workers who made the old bulb.
One to be interviewed on FOX and claim that liberals wanted to stay in the dark.
One to hold the chandelier.
And one to screw in the new light bulb.

My answer is none. The bulb would be screwed in my an illegal worker that walked in due to our open borders policy. BTW, the bulb was probably made by GE (O's lap dog Immelt) in China using unregulated (no EPA/OSHA/etc)toxic (mercury)materials. http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/2011/01/immelt-daley-and-obamas-a... -GP

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Jeff: Egypt & other Muslim countries

How many Americans does it take to turn Muslim countries into republics or democracies? Do we need NATO help? Would that be nation building?

As I have read and agree, Egypt is really run by a Military regime with figurehead ministers. Mubarak of course was and is a military officer.
Egypt has been ruled forever by either military regimes, kings, Pharaohs, or usurpers.

It is also said that given the 7000 plus years of existence with such a heritage, we will need another 5000 to possibly teach them democracy and for it to work.

I think they know that such a government as they have always had will not work for us in the west also.
We are on the verge here of having to live with some sort of coalition government, not necessarily more than two parties, but divisions among the two parties once elected.
With several racial divisions and wealth accumulation among fewer and fewer, along with total polarization, we also are headed for such trouble.

So what do they want from us? The far east (Japan & China and others) currently are trying to re-organize into a mixture of dictatorships and democracy. Like England can't seem to get rid of at least an honorary King.

It appears to me that Egypt must first place the Army under civilian leadership with religion not being a factor; then, they will have to form a coalition government as maybe Italy has. They wouldn't mind Mussolini back either!

How do we all "get along" without coalitions in the future or dictatorships, or theocracies?

"There will be wars and rumors of wars!"

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My other brother, Darryl

Everyone knows that Conservatives in general are more generous with their money.

Liberals are only generous with other people's money. (OPM). They want to "spread the wealth", as Obama said during his campaign

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"Spreading the wealth," already occurs!

Most taxpaying workers supply money through sales and income taxes to make corporations and their stockholders very rich from spreading that around to them!

I bough about $60 worth of gas the other day which makes BP and others very spreaded on with wealth! Also the tax people who also will spread their share that all over the field to fertilize it!

Most Senators, Governors and other executives use their position to gather much money from working people which they don't spread much. A country farmer in GA who got to be a veterinarian from being a football player, is now a multi-millionaire from some fashion of spreading!

No one wants your little dab to spread!

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One week later in Egypt

It's been over a week now since the January 25th uprising in Egypt.

I've been mostly impressed with the response to the crisis in Egypt by the United States Government, the Democratic party AND the Republican party.

Most of the "adults" realize that the situation is complex, that there are no easy answers. Even the usual bomb-throwers like Mitch McConnell have basically muted their usual criticisms.

It's been very interesting watching the right essentially disown the fringe element conspiracy theorists who want to blame anything and everything on the dastardly Muslim Brotherhood. I guess those sort of folks just need someone to hate. It's been especially gratifying to see hard rightwingers like Bill Kristol mock Glenn Beck and his rapidly dwindling horde of malcontents who see Muslim Brotherhood influence in virtually every corner of everything.

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Are you absolutely nuts.
The Muslum Brotherhood is the ultimate terror group.

I suggest you read up on history and get your facts straight.

As for you comments on Israel.."the Zionist State"..just remember that Israel keeps your stupid redneck ass safe every night. They do all of the dirty work for the US in the Middle East..mostly the things that the US is afraid to do themselves.

I suggest you also read up on Israel's history too.

I have never seen such stupid crap fly out of someone's mouth before - you are the ultimate moron!

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Thank you, Galtant!

Thank you for sharing such insightful commentary. Cal Beverly should offer you a column.

From everything I've read, and there's always the remote possibility that I could be mistaken, the Muslim Brotherhood's raison d'etre is to install an Islamic theocracy in the Middle East.

Not unlike the Tea Party's unstated goal to install a Christian theocracy in the United States, but I digress.

This "ultimate terror group" (Mr. Bin Laden would like a word with you, btw) has something like 60 to 80 seats in the Egyptian parliament. Most of their terrorist brethren have denounced them for attempting to work within the system rather than advocatin' wholesale revolution and anarchy.

I was unaware that Israel kept me safe at night. Is there anything those Zionists cannot do?

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Scare tactics on Muslim Brotherhood should end

The Muslim Brotherhood has announced what they have always said. "We do not want one party rule in Egypt. They want Democracy and went on to say there will be no presidential candidate from their group. They do not want control of Egypt as you may think.

If we continue to use one voice as a way of identifying a group of people we will never understand each other. Eric Rudolph said he was a Christian, does he represent all Christians? Hell no.

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T-Man is this who you want to talk to?

Indonesian government orders Ahmadiyyas to return to orthodox Islam -- or face 5 years in prison for "insulting Islam"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/06/indonesian-government-orders-ahmadiyya...

Right now they are rioting in the streets because he will ONLY received 5 years in prison. They want him DEAD!

Afghanistan:Man Gets 20 Years in Jail for Insulting Islam

http://islaminaction08.blogspot.com/2008/10/afghanistanman-gets-20-years...

Go ahead tell me how you would approach these people and have a meaningful conversation.

Between your ignorance and Bacon's downright love of these folks is why we are slowly being turned from the inside out.

Mandatory Arabic in Texas Schools?

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/mandatory-arabic-in-texas-schools

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As-Salamu Alaykum
Observerofu wrote:

Go ahead tell me how you would approach these people and have a meaningful conversation.

I believe the typical greeting is As-Salamu Alaykum (pronounced "A Salami On A Coon" in Fayettespeak).

Observerofu wrote:

Between your ignorance and Bacon's downright love of these folks is why we are slowly being turned from the inside out.

I've said it before, Fayette county is in more danger from zealots like Taliban Trey Hoffman than any "islamofascist" or "islamic socialist" or whatever your smear du jour of non-white non-Christian is this week.

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Mandatory Arabic in Texas Schools?
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/mandatory-arabic-in-texas-schools

Interesting story. "Interesting" in the fact that no one can seem to find the initial news report containing the word "mandatory". I'm thinking this is yet another made-up wingnut nontroversy.

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You probably missed the question mark

as in questioning if it would be mandatory.
"Mandatory Arabic in Texas Schools?"

But I have noticed reading comprehension is a little lacking in some.

More on the story:

TX SCHOOL DISTRICT PLANS TO FORCE SOME STUDENTS TO TAKE ARABIC LANGUAGE, CULTURE CLASSES

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/tx-school-district-plans-to-force-some-s...

"From CBSDFW:

The Foreign Language Assistance Program (FLAP) grant was awarded to Mansfield ISD last summer by the U.S. Department of Education.
As part of the five-year $1.3 Million grant, Arabic classes would be mandatory at Cross Timbers Intermediate School and Kenneth Davis Elementary School. The program would also be optional for students at T. A. Howard Middle School and Summit High School.
Parents at Cross Timbers say they were caught off-guard by the program, and were surprised the district only told them about it in a meeting Monday night between parents and Mansfield ISD Superintendent Bob Morrison.
The DOE has identified Arabic as a ‘language of the future.’ [...]
During Monday’s meeting Morrison stressed the curriculum would not be about religion, but about Arabic language and culture, similar to Spanish curriculum already in place in the district."

I guess you missed the CBS report on it huh?

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Missed the CBS report?

The Blaze appears to have misquoted the CBS website. Can't find the phrase "mandatory" anywhere in the CBS article they link to.

Either CBS edited their copy, or more like, "The Blaze" just made stuff up.

Conservatives love to lie, y'know.

Edited to add: yes I saw your little question mark. You get a pass. You like to gossip like a little ole hen, spreadin' rumors around everywhere, and that lil ole question mark allows you to run like a scalded dog when it turns out not to be true: Oh NOE Mr. Bacon! I never said such a thing! Look at mah question mark! See? I doubted it all along! I was simply parroting what that nice Mr. Beck told me to parrot! DERP!

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Sometimes you make it too easy bacon

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/02/07/mandatory-arabic-classes-coming-to-ma...

Screen copy of original story has been removed:

"Mansfield Arabic Program On Hold « CBS Dallas / Fort Worth - CBS 11
Feb 8, 2011 ... this is a Christian nation not Muslim, make it mandatory in Iraq ... The language is one thing, problem is making it mandatory and teaching ...
dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/02/08/mansfield-arabic-program-on-hold/"

Note the comments. Mandatory is mentioned 173 times. Many note CBS removed the word "Mandatory" in the update. CBS removed the original article.

However note the Internet address. It contains the ORIGINAL story line text.

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Sometimes you make it too easy bacon

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/02/07/mandatory-arabic-classes-coming-to-ma...

Original article removed by CBS:

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/02/08/mansfield-arabic-program-on-hold/
We're sorry! This page is not available. Please visit the CBS DFW Homepage or use the search box above
"Mansfield Arabic Program On Hold « CBS Dallas / Fort Worth - CBS 11
Feb 8, 2011 ... this is a Christian nation not Muslim, make it mandatory in Iraq ... The language is one thing, problem is making it mandatory and teaching ...
dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/02/08/mansfield-arabic-program-on-hold/"

Note the comments:
Mandatory mentioned 173 times. Many note CBS removed the original story mentioning it was "Mandatory"

Last piece of the puzzle.

Look at the first URL. This is the update. Note the title of the story was... mandatory-arabic-classes-coming-to-mansfield.

Clearly CBS edited the story.

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Bacon in fairness to CBS

they originally reported it but as of yet printed a retraction, nor has the School district sent out a press release categorically denying the story.

I wonder why?

Updated Story:

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/02/07/mandatory-arabic-classes-coming-to-ma...

Original article removed by CBS:

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/02/08/mansfield-arabic-program-on-hold/
We're sorry! This page is not available. Please visit the CBS DFW Homepage or use the search box above
"Mansfield Arabic Program On Hold « CBS Dallas / Fort Worth - CBS 11
Feb 8, 2011 ... this is a Christian nation not Muslim, make it mandatory in Iraq ... The language is one thing, problem is making it mandatory and teaching ...
dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/02/08/mansfield-arabic-program-on-hold/"

Note the comments:

Mandatory mentioned 173 times. Many note CBS removed the original story mentioning it was "Mandatory"

Last piece of the puzzle.

Look at the first URL. This is the update. Note the title of the story was... mandatory-arabic-classes-coming-to-mansfield.

Clearly CBS edited the story.

Bacon this took me approximately <5 minutes to get to the root of the issue.
It is the height of intellectual laziness to just regurgitate minor points in the light of the larger issue.

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Well then, if they edited the story

Well, then, if they edited the story, then there was a problem with it, dontcha think? A truthiness problem?

Bottom line: you cannot produce a reliable news report documenting the "mandatory" nature of this new program. The right wing blogosphere got their man-panties all in a bunch over this nontroversy, and you went right along with them, becoz it allowed you to indulge in your new favorite pasttime, arab/muslim bashing.

You sure am smart.

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You know even with overwhelming evidence

you still refuse to admit you may have been wrong.

The story was issued and was picked up by other news agencies. Just because CBS pulled it does not mean it was never written.

You claimed I made it up, Fox made it up or the Right Blogosphere made it up.

You were clearly wrong. You say CBS edited the story then assert that I cannot find a credible story with their original wording. Well duh huh there bacon. Since they pulled the story clearly I can't pull up their story. Obviously they exposed a little seamy underbelly of the progressive movement in the good ole USA and was told to pull it. Too late though wasn't it.

I mean how you must HATE the internet.

Can't get much more clearer then that.

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Lefty Radio Talkers Call for Americans to Rise up in Revolution

PBS’ Tavis Smiley and Cornel West use every Marxist code word in the book to incite the left to rise up.

http://weaselzippers.us/2011/02/08/lefty-radio-talkers-call-for-american...

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Obser - No Revolution non violent protest for the poor

You ignore the fact that a gap which continues to rise between rich and poor threatens this country more than any cocka crap group you say will take over America. We have to address the gap between rich and poor.
As Bacon as said before and I will say it again look at Egypt. Most revolutions are the poor rising up vs the rich. Don't remember seeing the Rich taking to the streets to over throw the poor. 3

Thanks for posting the above link good insight.

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Wealth envy is the new evil empire

Tman no we do not have to address the gap. All we have to do is give the "poor" an incentive to not be "poor". Right now the Government and you liberals all want to give new entitlements which do NOTHING to bring the "poor" out of their situation, it simply enslaves them and takes away their incentive to prosper.

If wealth redistribution was all it ever took then let's confiscate 100% of all wealth and give it out in equal measures.

Will that solve anything? No. Why?

Simple who would create the jobs?

Who would grow the food?

Ask yourself if there is no incentive to prosper then why would you work 12-14 hours a day trying to better your economic situation?

Fact is as soon as the progressive/liberal gets the control of business and makes the government the sole provider where is that wealth going to come from to redistribute to the masses?

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You see observer, some are simply born stupid! Can't never get smart or crooked---too dumb.
But like in Egypt, sooner or later they want something anyhow. They realize one day that they been screwed and they riot.
They also don't like business! It is mostly unreligious and crooked to them.

The government can create the jobs! Even grow the food and build the shelters!

Or, "give them an incentive to be not poor," or dumb either. Starve their butts!

The poor will always be with us---Christian Bible

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roundabout oh never mind why bother

can't fix stupid.

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Wealth envy: strolling down a two way street

I asked my main oracle, the Google, for a definition of “wealth envy”, and received only one reply: a link to Wikipedia that forwarded the inquiry to the page for “class struggle”, and “everyone knows” (correct?) this can only refer to communism/socialism. So there you have it, if you are currently being accused of wealth envy, then you must be a communist/socialist or one of their bed wetting sympathizers. Well, thought I, why is this current use of the concept “wealth envy” only referring to the desire of those that have less to take from those that have more? It is my overall, and every day, experience that those with more want even more, being envious of wealth that is not theirs yet. It is not wealth envy that brings the comment from some of the commonalty about the upper 2% of the US population, “Holy hell, how much more do you need?” it is just wonderment. Power to the People, right on.

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Yes and No Fuzzy Bear don't throw all of the wealthy into the same tub.

While I generally agree some wealthy folks are envious of as you say wealth that is not yet theirs, others are thankful for their good fortune and use it to help the less fortunate.

Greg

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I have had good fortune, am thankful for it, and by the grace of God, have been in a position to help the less fortunate, but I am not monetarily wealthy. The two situations are not dependent upon each other and we all should be grateful for what we have and for what we don't have. I did not intend to assign a bad connotation to wanting more, I was merely pointing out that it is a two way street.

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So do you ascribe to the forced taking of others wealth

to give it to those that have not earned it?

I am just curious. Your post was, at least to me, a little unclear.

Now granted we already have a form of wealth re-distribution called a progressive income tax. But be that as it may, many progressives would like to see a larger confiscation of wealth from business owners and individuals to pay out additional entitlements to the recipitant class.

At what level would you say "enough is enough"? Your statement " It is not wealth envy that brings the comment from some of the commonalty about the upper 2% of the US population, “Holy hell, how much more do you need?” it is just wonderment." may be just an observation.

Last I checked this is still America. We have no limits on the net personal wealth of individuals.

Does that mean there are those that use their wealth for the attainment of additional wealth and power? Of course it does, but does that mean we need to place arbitrary limits on personal growth?

We have relatively cheap and easily obtainable fast food should we limit everyone's intake just because there are some that abuse the eating of Big Mac's?

The acquisition of wealth is the motivating factor for industry creation, innovations and new technologies. Just as in Sales if you put a cap on the amount of money one can earn they will simply produce enough to reach that cap and then stop and produce nothing further. Individual attainment of wealth is the reason we all, well most of us anyway, work and strive to better our economic position.

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Your post was, at least to me, a little unclear

Please accept my apology and a little empathy for lagniappe. My purpose was to point out the absurdity in the use of a term that is basicly bogus, a result of there being no relevant definition of the term in the first place, and then presenting this undefined term as a postulate.

What was not clear to me is where in my post did you see any mention of putting limits on anyone. I admittedly see no real harm in having the very wealthy pay a very fair tax. Everyone should take responsibility for the results of their actions, not just the poor chumps. A bit too much "Let them eat cake" attitude prevailing I would say, and there is no good sense in losing your head over it.

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Carbonunit, regarding "wealth envy"

"Wealth Envy" is simply a code word popularized by Neal Boortz, it's a catchall response he's taught his listeners to use each time someone brings up the fact that the deck is stacked in favor of the rich in America today.

It doesn't require much thought to use, so it's become quite a favorite amongst glibertarians.

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I used the define: feature of Google and received the one reference to Wikipedia, with the forwarding to the "Class Struggle" page. I figure one of Neal's posse made the connection.

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May be a catch phrase, if you want to abribute it to Mr. Boortz so be it, but it is a catch phrase that sums up the objection of the left to wealth.

The concept of wealth envy has been around for some time. Read "The Law" by Frederic Bastiat, circa 1850.

Don't you get tired of being wrong?

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The concept of wealth envy has been around for some time. Read "The Law" by Frederic Bastiat, circa 1850.

Don't you get tired of being wrong?

The phrase fell into disuse until the glibertarians such as Boortz and yourself rediscovered and embiggened it once more into popular culture.

Oh, and I'm occasionally mistaken, but never wrong.

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If you say so Crisp.

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I don't think there's any objection when George Soros opens up his checkbook, do you?

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Is an example of a man that is successful despite his ability, he made his fortune as a hedge fund manager during the "capitalist" craze called the bubble of "greed".

As an immigrant, raised on socialist principles, he is using his wealth to further a society based on this failed system.

You are correct, no one objects to his largess on the left, and they all forget how he made his money.

The other interesting irony about George is that if he had been born one generation earlier, he would have been hunted down by the Socialist Nazis and shipped off to a camp or worse. He claims now to be an atheist which is consistent with socialist ideals of state worship.

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Is an example of a man that is successful despite his ability, he made his fortune as a hedge fund manager during the "capitalist" craze called the bubble of "greed".

Successful despite his ability? Jesus Christ, the guy is a self-made billionaire. Leave the revisionism to Observerofu or Kawfi!

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As an immigrant, raised on socialist principles, he is using his wealth to further a society based on this failed system.

You are correct, no one objects to his largess on the left, and they all forget how he made his money.

He made his fortune as a currency trader. If the guy supported Republican causes, you'd be licking his shoes in adoration...but he don't so you don't.

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The other interesting irony about George is that if he had been born one generation earlier, he would have been hunted down by the Socialist Nazis and shipped off to a camp or worse. He claims now to be an atheist which is consistent with socialist ideals of state worship.

Soros worked for the Nazis as a thirteen year old, delivering eviction notices in Jewish neighborhoods. Ask any conservative, it's very well documented. That's probably where his disgust with Nazis, Glibertarians and Republicans came from.

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but it is a catch phrase that sums up the objection of the left to wealth....The concept of wealth envy has been around for some time. Read "The Law" by Frederic Bastiat, circa 1850.

The 4th law of carbonunit dynamics states that what was bogus in 1850 is still bogus in 2011.

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Wealth envy by the wealthly, better known as initative and goal setting then fullfilled by hardwork, skill, and ability.

Entitled people have no need for initative, they simply elect people to rob for them a fairly simply procedure that takes little effort.

Perhaps you can see the difference in these two concepts, and perhaps you can't, but therein is the problem.

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is seen among the wealthy also, by my own eyes. The virtues that you mention, initiative, goal setting, hard work, skill and ability, are shared by people that are not, and have no real desire to be, monetarily wealthy. What I do not see is people turning into a higher life form when they have a lot of money.

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It is not a requirement to be a "good" or "better life form" to be wealthy. This is again trying to shape your world around what you want the world to be but not what it is.

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