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Arizona shooting survivor in custody after allegedly making threat

James Eric Fuller, 63, was involuntarily committed after he made threats against a Tea Party member at the Tucson event sponsored by ABC News, Ogan said.

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Maybe "lib" has nothing to do with this?

The man with the camera who said, "you're dead," was shot twice by the Tucson shooter.

Hell of a time to have a "Tea Party" meeting anyway! That bastian of guns and roses, Arizona, is no place for aggravating KKK like meetings!

What is the "Tea Party" anyway? I thought they weren't another political party and had no leaders! Now they are.

Just how far are they hoping to get?

They don't want affordable health insurance for individuals
They want to eliminate Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid
They want the federal budget balanced, yet want money for the states
They want every individual to have a gun and carry it
They want no federal or state regulations on Wall Street or Banks
They want original birth certificates approved by them, not the nomination process
They want a war going all of the time
They despise the NAACP, watchdog lawyers ACLU, and welfare
They want tall fences at borders and 40 million rounded up and deported
They want laborers let in once a year to work in farms and construction
(they are not to use our hospitals or welfare nor have children)
They worship all law officers and anything they do
One of their candidates must vote for all of the above, every time.

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Yes, a lib. (Democrat - same thing)


Democratic activist wounded in Tucson massacre arrested after allegedly shouting death threat at Tea Party spokesman


Fuller was a Democratic activist who volunteered for Giffords’ campaign. According to media accounts, he shouted “You’re dead!” at Tucson Tea Party spokesman Trent Humphries when Humphries was being interviewed by television news reporters about gun control. Fuller reportedly snapped a photo of Humphries before making his ourburst.


Pima County Sheriff’s Department deputies took Fuller into custody and involuntarily committed him for a mental health evaluation.

This man was a Democrat activist, incapable of rational thought - Of course, that describes 99% of the democrat party.

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Roundabout is just anotherin a line of bleeding heart liberals-
When confronted with the facts, they go silent. Roundabout, you're a real jagoff.

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I am an Independent voter.

Where are YOUR comments about all of the TEA beliefs I sent you?
If they were ever voted in what would replace them?

They are just bunk ideas ro attract nuts.

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No No No Joe didn't you get the memo

Only Teaparty folks are violent. You see them all the time at the G20 summits hurling bottles and burning cars.

Our speech causes people to go so nutszoid that they take up arms and attack.

Liberals are totally peaceful eunuch like gnomes that just want peace, love and harmony.

I mean the very thought of a gun makes them go water their undies.
So you must be mistaken. This peaceful loving person could not have uttered those words.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article68481...

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Observer and Joe. Why not describe this victim fully?

Why just call him a lib? Too difficult to villainize him if you accurately describe him isn't it:

A victim of a shooting who was shot twice.

A Naval veteran.

So here you two bravely take pot shots at a guy who served his country; a guy who was shot twice and undoubtedly is suffering emotional as well as physical wounds. But you will say, cut and paste, and make up anything to make Sarah Palin, the TEA Party, and conservatives the vicitms.

Don't think it's gonna work, but if you want, I'll send flowers.

By the way, did the FBI figure out what domestic terrorist tried to bomb the Washington State MLK Day parade? Probably a liberal organization.

ps. Joe. The whole "jagoff" thing just isn't workin for us, man. Is it workin for you?

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Jagoff: An irritating, inept, or repugnant person [From wiktionary.org]
Who is "us", Kevin? Do you speak for everyone on this blog now? Does it hit a little close to home for you?

The point was, that here is a liberal activist that openly threatened a conservative during a discussion, and the media and bleeding heart libs out there are silent about it while they wail on about conservative talk radio being responsible for the shooting. They are nothing but a bunch of whining hypocrits. .

You are probably right about the culprit in the Washington MLK Day parade though.

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KK just showing a little hypocrisy is all

If the situation was reversed and it WAS a Teaparty guy that did the shootings, the Media would STILL be on this story and about the violent Teaparty. The threat made would still be justified in todays news story's about how the Teaparty rhetoric drove him to it.

But since we all NOW know that this guy was just a nutjob who had threatened her before and "talk radio" had nothing to do with it nor Sarah Palin. The Media has just dropped the story and decided to not even cover the threats made against the Teaparty.

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The media - oserverofu

is correctly focusing on the remarkable recovery that Gabbie is making - and the support that ALL CITIZENS are expressing for her healing. That is thankfully more newsworthy than the constant blame the lib / blame the right wing 'stuff'.

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What do you mean by "concentrating on Gabby" instead of........

Do you mean perpetually and all of the time?

You are a mastr at diversion away from dislikes.

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And you roundabout are constantly proving that you are a master at nothing. Keep it up - shows your poor attempt at being 'intelligent'.

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My, I suppose I'll get an invite to meet with swords like some on here?

I am rather sick of all of the "Gabby" stuff.

Except for the little girl occasionally, there is no discussion of the other dead and wounded---reminds me of the cameras following OJ running down the road!

Now, further than that, I think the Houston Hospital is the one where many of the scores of thousands of soldiers are taken for surgery and rehab for head wounds. Thousands, there and other places.

Other than curiosity and self aggrandizing each other over a celebrity wounded, we need to help those soldiers and their families who are broke.
They do not get free jets, time off free, and forty doctors watching them.

Besides it is known that such head wounds will likely leave her sufficiently handicapped so that she will be so for life. (90% chance). I'm afraid prayers will only make the prayer well!

However, I can assure you she will get more attention and total free treatment for the rest of her life than will our wounded soldiers. I hope she does.
I am a fortunate veteran who isn't one of the stalking ponies of war that our current vets are. Nor am I a politician!
I do however worry about the lack of attention that our soldiers, especially ones with families from Guard and Reserve, get since there is so many of them. Now they are losing their homes from lack of funds.

There is enough junk on the parking lot in Tucson to support several soldier families.

I can see why some like soap operas and reality and CSI shows so much.
Wars are above their "intelligence" I suppose.

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Now they are losing their homes from lack of funds.

Chase Bank has been found guilty of this - according to them an error that they are correcting, You are entitled to your opinion - sorry that the country's interest in a civilian (elected official) being shot in front of a super market while communicating with her constituents makes you 'sick'. Thank heavens it is not a 'usual happening'. There are many who are just as concerned about our returning veterans - and instead of spending time on the computer - they are visiting them while they are hospitalized. Because of the advance of medicine, we have more survivors of the horrors of war than before.

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focusing on the remarkable recovery that Gabbie

This is what I said - not what you 'quoted' me as saying, Meant what I said, Geeeez

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Needs explanation..........you said exactly that!

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You are arguing that a half empty glass is half full! Stupid.

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Is your argument a half full glass is completely empty? If in your wisdom , this is truth - so be it. LOL

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Is your argument a half full glass is completely empty? If in your wisdom , this is truth - so be it. LOL

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Observer. I feel like I'm in one of those slow motion running...

towards one another tearful reunion movie scenes. How did I make it so long without the friendly head butting?

The situation was REVERSED???? Really? Do you mind telling me who the republican representative nursing a head wound is in this role reversal? False equivalency maybe?

By the way, are you following the FBI's investigation of the remote back pack bomb planted to frag MLK Day marchers in Spokane? Give me the liberal equivalent of that. Don't you remember one of my last blogs last year where I kept saying the violent rhetoric from the right was flirting with danger? The talks of revolution? The guns being brought to political rallies by Tea Partiers?

Us liberals are not clairvoyant. The killing of Dr. Tiller was a logical progression stemming from the "Tiller the Baby Killer" clap trap on Fox News. The shooting of a Democratic Representative is a logical progression of a mantra of target maps which mentioned her BY NAME, "tyrannical government", "if ballots don't work bullets will", "armed and dangerous", "second amendment remedies."

The Tucson shooter was a sick man having an obsession with Rep Giffords going back to 2007 or 2008. But he didn't shoot back then, did he. He shot in 2011. What changed the atmosphere? If our liberal sounding of the alarm offends you guys, tuff. If one life is spared by our re examining dangerous political rhetoric, all of the Republican disdain will be worth it. Frankly, it's not like ya'll have been enamored with us anyway, so why should we hold our words and opinions so that ya'll don't have to self-examine your potential rolls in an American tragedy?

I do care about the feelings of my fellow Americans who are conservative, but the need to do a candid self-examination of who is being motivated to act violently....against Whom..... and by whom... trumps my desire to tiptoe around the obvious. Conservative representatives aren't being shot. Liberals aren't, by and large, proudly displaying their guns at political rallies. Liberals aren't speaking of 2nd Amendment remedies and revolutions. And we aren't bombing conserv ative parades. That's just the fact of this matter.

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Odds are that the bombing of the MLK parade (I guess the libs hold all title to MLK parades? - Conservative thought not welcome there) was probably perpetrated by a liberal in order to bring more hateful speech against conservative talk radio. They will go to any lengths, dontcha know.

If you will recall, the only violence that we saw at Tea Parties was by a bunch of liberal union thugs - beating up a conservative. Go figure.

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Joe. "Odds are" you are making things up again.

Let's look at reporting on the actual history of this area.

From the Associated Press:

"The Spokane region and adjacent northern Idaho have had numerous incidents of anti-government and white supremacist activity during the past three decades.

The most visible was by the Aryan Nations, whose leader Richard Butler gathered racists and anti-Semites at his compound for more than two decades. Butler went bankrupt, lost the compound in a civil lawsuit in 2000 and died in 2004.

In 1996 white supremacists placed a pipe bomb outside City Hall in Spokane. The bomb exploded, blowing out a window and sending nails and screws across the street.

In December, a man in Hayden, Idaho, built a snowman on his front lawn shaped like a member of the Ku Klux Klan holding a noose. The man knocked the pointy-headed snowman down after getting a visit from sheriff's deputies."

What are the odds, Joe? I don't believe the FBI is following your very unique leads.

As for "conservative thought" WRT The MLK holiday, we are anxiously awaiting conservatives to actually start THINKING. It would be like a late Christmas gift to themselves. They could start by asking Arizona when they are going to join the rest of the country. But I, for one, am not holding my breath on the birth of conservative thought.

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what!

why must social disfunctions like racism be linked to political parties or--even more unbelievable and offensive--anti-government sentiment. do you seriously believe republicans at large are racist, and that democrats are not?! or that people who dare object to the increasingly intrusive role the federal government plays in their lives are somehow also convinced that white people are genetically and biologically superior to other races?!

wow. i mean, really, i'm stunned. please tell me i read your last comment wrong, that you did not attribute the mlk bombing to "conservatives" and then proceed to list Aryan nation- and kkk-attributed atrocities as examples.

i'm not saying that if you lay down with dogs, you don't get up with fleas, but please tell me the concept of the individual has not been *that* forgotten by the modern democrat.

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Crazy squirrel. You have one of the site's coolest names.

Let me help you decipher this collage of conversations. Joe suggested that liberals attempted to bomb the MLK celebratory march in Spokane:

"Odds are that the bombing of the MLK parade (I guess the libs hold all title to MLK parades? - Conservative thought not welcome there) was probably perpetrated by a liberal in order to bring more hateful speech against conservative talk radio. They will go to any lengths, dontcha know."

I posted the ACTUAL reporting on the region where the FBI is focusing on anti-govt and anti-minority groups.

I don't think anyone here is saying liberals are not racist and conservatives are. I'm pointing out that The Aryen nation is not at all a "liberal" group as Joe would have us think the perp or perps were.

What do you think?

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i'm not saying; i'm just saying

gotcha. well, i had a very sanctimonious response ready where i got to lecture about the dubious distinction between saying things and "saying" things. it was a train of thought that left the station when i saw robert's comment that the 19th amendment should be repealed... but don't get your panties in a wad because i'm not saying women shouldn't have the right to vote (paraphrased). i'm as annoyed by the media-driven hyper-PC atmosphere as most common sense folk, but i also don't cotton to people masking their insinuations as someone else's paranoia.

anyway, speech filed away under "u" for useless; thanks for the clarification. as an aside, i will say i find the comment structure (top-down, indent for response) of this site difficult to follow, but it probably wasn't intended for the lengthy, heated debate such innocent articles as Man Saves Kitten seem to generate around here. not that i object; i sort of think of it as porn for inmates.

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Kevin - Attack at Tea Party

Did I mention that the Tea Partier that got attacked was black? Huh - must have been a racially motivated attack. (by liberal thugs)

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So, Joe, about that Tea Party attack...

It must have been well reported by conservative news agencies. Who was charged? What has the victim said? What was the court ruling on the assault charges that certainly came from this? I haven't been able to find anything. Help a brutha out.

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Kevin - Tea Party Attack Link

Here you go - I made it easy for you. You must have "lib-block" installed on your computer. It was very easy to find.

Union group attack at Tea Party

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OK Kevin - here you go

You need to turn the filter off that blocks all rational thought and facts regarding attacks by libs on conservatives.
There are other sources than Soros media matters and the NYT, dontcha know.

Link for Kevin

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Instead of reading what the producer of the video wants the viewer to 'hear' - slow down the video and listen to the comments of the people surrounding this incident. What a show! Wasn't very effective in 2009 or 2010 - and is really getting tired in 2011. Chao.

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That attack that Joe referenced happened in 2009!

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So

your point is?

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The resident race pimp/defender of voter intimidation by the black panthers doesn't have a point. It was just another one of her brain farts.

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Joe Kawfi seems to be non-annoying to you. We'll enjoy your discussion with him. He is so articulate.

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My Point - Obser

Wasn't very effective in 2009 or 2010 - and is really getting tired in 2011.

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DM burying your head in the sand

is never a viable option.

You want to heal the Country. OK let's do that. Now we decided to do that. Now what?

Ok here is an idea. How about an honest dialog. Let's have an open and honest debate about the issues.

If you want Government to run our businesses....fine... but let's debate the idea. Instead of heated rhetoric or just outright denial. This has become the game we play.

DM you tend overlook the more radical elements of your party or ethnicity.
Doing so does nothing to correct the wrongs in our system.

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You're right KK Liberals aren't speaking of 2nd Amendment

remedies and revolutions.

They are just hurling Molotov cocktails and burning businesses and Hummer dealerships.

While those radical Teaparty folks are singing the National Anthem.

btw- on that revolution thingy you might want to check with Van Jones and Francis Piven on that one and let them in on your secret. They seem to not be on the same page as the rest of you are.

FRANCES FOX PIVEN RINGS IN THE NEW YEAR BY CALLING FOR VIOLENT REVOLUTION
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/frances-fox-piven-rings-in-the-new-year-...

Van Jones and “revolution”
Naked Emperor News strikes again by finding revealing clips of an interview conducted by “Uprising Radio” with Van Jones seventeen months ago. Jones, the green jobs czar, explains how his allies want to conduct a revolution on the sly. Call it radical incrementalism, call it an offshoot of the Alinksy method, but it certainly seems that Jones is easily the most radical White House aide in many, many years:

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/03/video-van-jones-and-revolution/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh4Z0V0zNQg

And of course no libs said this.

CHILLING VIDEO: OPENLY ROOTING FOR REVOLUTION, THE LEFT CALLS FOR AMERICAN CIVIL UNREST & RIOTS (FRANCES FOX PIVEN, LIB TALKERS, JOURNALISTS, VAN JONES, REV WRIGHT, ENGLISH PROTEST LEADER, ETC)

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/chilling-video-openly-rooting-for-revolu...

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Who in the world is frances fox piven??

And Van Jones? So, what kind of following do they have? I haven't even heard of Piven, and all I watch is news. They definitely have the media pull of Sarah Palin and Laura Angle, two national conservative symbols who held elected offices. Definitely. BTW, my comments are ooozing with sarcasm.

And I'm still waiting for you to tell me what conservative victims to send flowers to....

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Sarcasm noted

But these two radicals are well known amongst your progressives and have many followers.
Valerie Jarrett Obama's number 1 advisor knows Van Jones very well and had followed his career as a radical for some time.
Obama made him the "Green Jobs Czar" even though Van Jones is a SELF avowed Communist.

So I would say they were known, don't you?

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But these two radicals are well known amongst your progressives and have many followers.

Really? Glenn Beck and Fox News listeners are more aware of this 'radical' - by attacking him as a proponent of Obamacare as a 'reparation supporter' in disguise. Scare the insecure and ignorant. In the meantime, we're taking a back seat to competitiveness in the global economy while SOME Americans feel that winning an election is more important than healing this country.

BIRTHERS ARISE!! LOL!

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DM really never knew that there are radicals on the left????

Have you ever heard of the Weatherman. I did I remember the bombs the 60's riots. You being from California never heard of these events? I find it hard to believe.

I guess if you lived under a rock you might not have but I can assure you I did.

How is "healing" our Country as you put even viable when you have the RADICAL left calling for Greece styled riots in America. These people are fomenting violence in the streets. I mean we are not talking about peaceful marches they are talking about a violent overthrow of our Government.

So DM tell me how if the RADICAL left is calling for violence, just how is this in any way going to heal our Country

9/11 TRUTHERS ARISE LOL back at cha.

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Radicals/Extremists

are not the main stream in this country. Why are you afraid of joining the 'main stream' and seeking resolution to our country's problems? Our enemies seek to divide. Are you an enemy? There are groups in this country who have differences of opinion - but as Americans, hopefully have the same goal of peaceful resolution to our problems. Why the cheering section for those who seek to dismantle by hurtful words? Given: There are radicals on both sides. Are you a radical? Radicals calling for limiting the vote for citizens, limiting admittance to this country by 'color', etc., etc., etc. - returning to the 'old' way of living in America are being heard as ‘racists’. I'm sure you're not one of THOSE.

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DM fine flowery ideas and words

but ideas and flowery words do nothing to make this a better world.

First let's admit you nor I will save the world. So making speeches about saving the world is a little too big for us right?

However every journey begins with the first step. That first step is recognizing the blockades to our path. The first blockade is a lack of understanding the Radical elements that want us to stay where we are.

An honest and open debate of the issues. That is the first step we must take.

Denying that these blockades exist does nothing towards getting us on the right path.

Claiming that radicals exist and failing to show them is just as bad as denying that they exist. However showing that the radicals exist and then ignoring that they do is worse.

DM you do tend to ignore certain individuals that under any definition would be a radical either because of party or ethnicity. This does nothing for an open debate.

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Nothing 'flowery' about 'racists'. Difficult to discuss issues based on accusations that the government is taking all of your money and GIVING it to others. It's very difficult to ignore 'radicals' when one is their target. Right? Or is this whining about you being a target of liberal radicals just a flurry of talking points to ignore the issues that confront this country. Let's talk about JOBS - and what happened to them and what can we do now to insure that Americans get the jobs that have gone overseas. Let's talk about the lack of manufacturing in this country that makes recovering our economy difficult. Let's talk about SOME citizens’ refusal to realize that we need to focus on alternative energy sources - or lose our status as a world leader. Let's discuss our undereducated work force!! Government stepped in when needed. We're on the way back - slowly but surely. Georgia is a state with slightly over 10% unemployed. What can our leaders do in order to get this problem of lack of work for Americans solved?
Is your solution to this problem that government should stay out of 'private business' entirely and let them go it alone? No help in order to get the credit that small business needs? No help with education in order to attract businesses to the area - businesses that need an educated workforce for at least the next two decades?
I’m ready to discuss actual ideas – we may not solve the problems of the world – but I believe that sincere citizens – regardless of labels – can discuss the problems intelligently. The country and many of our leaders are becoming more centrist (moderate) – because many have given up on anything happening with our current leadership in the House and Senate. (Congress) But we’ll see what legislation goes forth after this feeble attempt at repealing Health Care Reform. It would be encouraging to see our elected leaders work together to improve the bill – but repealing what is already in place is a waste of time, IMO. I’m not living in some unrealistic world. Those of my age have experienced what some here call ‘history’. Flowery words, turned into action, changed my life. Nothing is more powerful than words/ideas. Negative words/hateful ideas create chaos and failure. Positive words/ideas create forward movement. Constant attempt to denigrate or belittle those who disagree is also a waste of time. If your answer consists of the same ‘get government’ out of our lives – then I have to accept that you don’t see yourself as part of ‘government’ in this country – this country of government of the people, by the people, and for the people – and I won’t waste your time or mine

Observerofu - I have not had the luxury of ignoring the 'radicals' in this country. I have stated that extremists and/or radicals - regardless of ideology are a detriment to progress. You seem to ignore my statements - and that does nothing for open debate.

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DM you have an annoying habit of

making statements then responding later as if you never made the original statement.

You said just a few post up:

Davids mom wrote:

Really? Glenn Beck and Fox News listeners are more aware of this 'radical' - by attacking him as a proponent of Obamacare as a 'reparation supporter' in disguise. Scare the insecure and ignorant. In the meantime, we're taking a back seat to competitiveness in the global economy while SOME Americans feel that winning an election is more important than healing this country.

BIRTHERS ARISE!! LOL!

You more then implied that the two Progressive's I mentioned to Kevin are totally unknown except to certain listeners of talk shows.

Then your post here completely ignores the original intent of your first post. Annoying to say the least.

The "Flowery" words I mentioned is your habit of grandiose statements of "saving" the World type of speech. Healing the Country, coming together, all this.

The problem, as I have said before, is a lack of dialog. Until we can have an open and honest debate we will be moving nowhere fast, but as long as we have the Alan Grayson's of the World in politics this will never occur.

The Progressive wing of the Democrat party does indeed push and believe in little "s" socialism. They believe that big Government is the key to our problems. They use people like Bill Ayers, Van Jones, Andy Stern and others to push their agenda. What they fail to understand is that the Radical left is using them in turn.

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There are some heritages who simply will not put the blame where it belongs! All is excusable, I'll bet even the Atlanta School Board and Superintendent were simply aiding poor people who have been mistreated!

Boy, is that group masters of slide around, throw off, and alls OK.

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There are certain heritages that have difficulty accepting Americans as individuals - and enjoy lumping culture and gender together in making statements. Six years ago I was guilty of that - and learned that not all white males who drive pick up trucks are racists. (That was an opinion that I held for a long time based on experience) All is not excusable - and all of a certain culture and gender do not excuse all behavior. Right? What exactly are you 'master' of Roundabout? And Observerof u - any other answer to solving problems other than 'read' the Constitution and do exactly what it says (regardless of the need of a Supreme Court to constantly rule on interpretation); get 'government' out of our lives - with no specifics? Roundabout belittles the attempt at more civility - but we already see that legislators from opposite sides of the aisle are working together to present bills that may move this country forward without the gridlock that we have experienced in the past. Cutting back to 2008 budget - does not solve the deficits that existed up to that point - and what does that do for the daily lives of the millions that are still unemployed in this country? Does that give more people JOBS? I hope that our legislators are doing a little more in depth thinking than is being exhibited in this discussion. (There are citizens in our country who are doing just that - and I hope they are sharing their ideas with their representatives.) Poor Rasmussen had to explain why their poll is different from other polls. Interesting. I hope the majority of Americans will listen to the president’s speech tonight and make up their own minds rather than listening to their favorite 'pundit' to tell them what they heard. There will be disagreement regarding the economy. 'Investment' seems to be the operative word. Hopefully it will not close the ears of some. A plan to ‘invest’ should be a demand for cutting/eliminating government programs that don't work - and supporting programs that will provide jobs and education for the future - so that American citizens can once again be the best-educated and productive citizens on the globe.

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Discussion topics: jobs; education; economy. Are these topics on your list? No answers to my questions? Do you really feel that your lack of meaningful dialogue is not annoying? It is - but very revealing about your limitations. IF you care to discuss these topics in a respectful manner - let's go! If not - that's fine. Have a nice day!

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Would you just give a specific opinion for a change?

1. Did the Atlanta school system change tests, and did some lie about it?

2. Do some families from northern counties bring their kids to counties with better schools, illegally?

3. Do some families have randomly concieved children so as to live on welfare?

I could go on but just answer those few directly, please.

(yes some of all races cheat on tests occasionally. Yes, some of all races cheat on school boundries. Yes some of all races depend upon welfare by having such children.)
Doesn't excuse others, does it?

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Yes to all three. Now - your point? Don't remember ever having this discussion with you. Anyone who reads any Atlanta paper could answer these questions. You could go on - but what would be the point? I do not make an excuse for any of the above - since you and I have never discussed this. . . and I doubt if it would be of any value to even engage in a discussion with you since you seem to go off on tangents. Given: There are those of all races who do not act ethically (you have alluded to this fact ) Have a nice day.

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What has us ever discussing before got to do with anything?

You stated that you didn't want to discuss such things further---I think because you know what my next questions would be and you would not answer them:

1. Should all found guilty of cheating or contributing to cheating be fined and jailed.
2, Should the Superintendent and at least the Principals be fired for this occurence? All who are guilty.
3. Should counties take to court all who allow their kids to attend the wrong school, and those also who allow them to attend their schools?

Things like this will never stop without punishment. Just retiring a few (like the Superintendent) and others guilty of conspiracy just be reprimanded, will provide no good reason for others in the future from trying the same thing.

A grand jury needs to be called on this subject for the sake of the kids.
Will you recommend that?

Your usual answer will probably be: let's move ahead, what is past is past!

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Why change the discussion topics that Observerofu and I MAY HAVE DISCUSSED? Jobs, economy, in our country. I’ll answer questions regarding education.

#1. Those who have admitted to cheating have been dealt with. Others I believe have obtained attorneys. I’m not that familiar with the Atlanta cheating affair. I find it disgusting - but not unbelievable. When funds are tied to student achievement - this has happened in other districts.

#2. If found guilty - of course.

#3. If that is the county's rule - of course. . .including students who participate in sports or raise the grade average. (or help the school to qualify for Title I funds)

Until the education process of evaluation is reformed, this will continue - and has been going on throughout the nation for some time. Student progress should certainly be a determining factor for the success of a school - but other elements important to the 'turn-around' of a school should be assessed also. You have assumed what my answer would be – based on your questionable ability to analyze anything with creditability. You think that you are adding to the conversation with your swing between common sense - and attempt to disrupt and denigrate. Have a nice day - time for football!

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DM you made my point

Ok let's work through this.

First there is this:

Davids mom wrote:

Discussion topics: jobs; education; economy.

Since you have outlined the topics that I must discuss then the first thing we have to do is establish just what it is we need to accomplish.

What is it that we can do?

Can you or I change the National direction on any of these?

We can only effect the economy on a macro level so no amount of discussion on these topics will effect anything beyond that.

So limiting ourselves to grandiose statements of unity and healing does nothing to actually further the debate.

Neither does the denial of events like the Black Panthers voter intimidation case or the beating by Union thugs of a black teaparty member.

I have read your posting on this matter and others. You seem to have a singular view that is colored by either experience or prejudice. In order to have a discussion we have to agree on the premise that not all things are as they seem nor can we deny events that actually occur.

A healthy debate is needed by all on the issues. Not this Left vs. Right vs. Middle vs. everyone else.

DM that debate begins with the acknowledgement by the Government that the people are the sole arbitrators of what we need. Not the other way around.

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Both parties - obser

Say we need to:

Cut spending
Move towards paying the debt
Assist American business (the private sector) in creating jobs
Protect our credit rating in the global economy
Continue to provide security for our troops
Educate our students so they can compete in a global economy
Move our country away from dependence on foreign oil/energy resources

These issues trump two 'black panthers' or 'the Aryan nation '. The American people are expecting the members of Congress to listen to the experts, each other, and their constituents regarding these issues and others that affect our future.
If they deadlock or create the gridlock that has been hampering finding solutions, they have failed in their responsibility to govern. The people' allowed this mess to happen for well over 20 years. I don't think the majority of Americans are going. to continue to put up with the arrogance of corporations, politicians who pay more attention to lobbyists than to their
constituents, or polls and entertaining media pundits. I am not debating you - but will continue to post my point of view- and you can continue to discuss the extremist and radicals in our midst. Again - they exist on both 'sides' - but they don't represent the majority of the American people. The next month will be very telling. I repeat: We the people are the government. Stop giving the governing power to the lobbyists that pay for elections . The Tea Party was a good thing. But watch carefully the move towards centrist compromise in order to move ahead.

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Maybe Obama will

move to the center. Any movement would be a change.

btw- you said both parties want to cut spending/debt etc..-Since when?

The National debt has risen 4 TRILLION DOLLARS in two years. Both Parties have spent us into debt, but this last go round has bankrupted us. So DM how do we "Heal"? How do we come "together" if the politicians in DC don't have a clue and won't let those in bed with them fail?

The teaparty folks banded together because of three major issues:

1. STOP ignoring the Constitution and live up to the oath you took to uphold it.

2. Stop the massive expansion of Government with programs that we do not want or need.

3. Stop the MASSIVE debt and spending that is bankrupting America and racking up debt that our Grandkids will have to pay for.

The State of the Union address is coming up. Already reports are coming out about the call for MORE spending.

So DM where do we begin?

You know there is an old saying: Talk is cheap.

We need politicians with spines.
We need politicians with principles.
We need politicians with a knowledge of the Constitution and the WILL to follow it.

There is room for the Liberal and Conservative alike but only if fiscal responsibility is returned to DC. We can no longer afford the entitlement mentality for votes any longer.

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We need politicians with spines.
We need politicians with principles.
We need politicians with a knowledge of the Constitution and the WILL to follow it.

We need voting citizens who are involved with their representatives in Congress. We need principled citizens who, if elected, will remain principled after being elected. They become tainted after election because the citizens back home lose interest and the lobbyists take over. Thank heavens Obama was elected. Scared a lot of citizens into action. Our economy has been in trouble for a long time. Some questioned Nixon, Reagan ,Carter, Clinton, etc., - but the scrutiny that has followed the Obama election is great for our country. History shows that compromise and centrist positions may help the political process - but what we need now is help for the majority of the American people.
Hopefully, that is the middle class. (the class that is slowly disappearing). Americans have to be willing to make additional sacrifices for the uncontrolled spending that has been going on for years- during Republican and Democrat administrations.

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Here is the answer!

In order to make everything right in our economy and in our pocketbook, we need to be real good to one another.
We ought to pay off the national debt real soon but not raise my taxes and give old people on Social Security a raise.
We need to fix our schools so those who don't do well can do well. It is easy, just throw out the highest grade and the lowest grade, (the grade, not the student), and then give "A"s to the next top 1/3, "B"s to the next 1/3, and "C"s to the rest.

Do same on SAT and competency tests. Give teachers a competency test for teaching. Don't allow any white teachers in white schools and no black or other teachers in black schools. (wait a minute, didn't we do away with such schools?

Then we need to always be positive and move forward (to where) and forget all transgressions claimed by the state government. We need to retar them what want to retar at any age as teachers and principles, then brang in more smarter 1's!

I suggest we don't start kids into school until they are at least 10 yars of age and kin handle oneth grade OK. Then ifn they can't make it to twoth grade, send them to plumbers school from 11-17 yars of age. All they gotta no is thet watr runs downhill, and ask the boss the rest! Applies to all colors of people.

Really only thang import is the daily glory of livin and ceptin peeple as whut they is. If they live thru today then glory be, thar is tomorow.

Then we need to centrist compromize and muve a head swiftly. We are rat now workin on movin a head at ever opportune. We have shufled these papers fer days on end and found no gilt to punish. We need to move ahead and ferget sich trash as sum cheatin--we are all humans.

These issues trump two black panthers of the Arayan nation and shude have precedents. Listen to experts and move forward.

The most of us are not radials and shouldn't listen to lobists in the lobby. Just listen to us the peeple.
Then can we just get along and move ahead away from all this silly talk?.

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The most of us are not radials and shouldn't listen to lobists in the lobby.

We all know you're trying to be a little cute with the use of a rural vernacular but seriously, radial just doesn't fit.

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Cy, Roundsnout & spelling

Cy, he just left out one letter--cut him some slack, he was up early!

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Hey Gym

Are you sure roundabout is only off by one letter? Some would venture to say that he's a few marbles........;-)

BTW, hello from DFW.

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Whut do vernaculars, town or rural, use or say fer the word radicals? May not be in there vocabu-lary-the-cable-guy!

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Hey roundabout

What's with this blogging at 0400? Can't sleep because you had that post buzzing around in your head? You do know that there are meds for that condition?

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What is wrong with 0400? Even pilots have to work at night!
The world is still turning, the sun is on it's way. There are hundreds of thousands who work all night--not days!
I know they are different than you---probably communists---but they exist nevertheless!

You would have a hell of a time in Alaska where it sometimes is dark or light all day! Wouldn't know how to set your watch, or gripe at others for working after dark!

I worked all kinds of shifts in the military, and in my younger days worked up to four shifts in a cycle! 2 days first, 2days second, 1 day third, 2 days off.

I am thankful for hospitals, police, firemen, Waffle House, Grocery stores, factories, Pentagon, War Room, Obama, Hillary, The Chinese--who work in our dark time, and many others who have responsibilities.

Your world is apparently small!

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roundabout SMALL?

Not hardly. I'll be in Singapore and Hong Kong soon. But anyways, you are retired so 0400 should be....well should be spent sleeping or at least catching up with it.

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Hey roundabout

I see that Jack LaLane past away at 96. I'm most surprised that you have not made a comment about that.

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Well, the man was unhealthy when he died!
Drank too much juice.