Repeal of the new health plan

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A few of those newly elected to congress had told their business partners (almost all citizens want the health changes)
that when they got elected that they would repeal the health plan.
They are setting about wasting everyone's time now trying to do so. Even IF it passes the house, the senate is sure to stop it.
The President certainly won't sign it.

The games to stop payments are useless.

This sort of ylling to the ignorant should be stopped.

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President's Birth Certificate

Is attached to my forum now for those who wanted to see it!

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What You Attached

Is known as a certificate of live birth, it IS NOT a birth certificate. If you look carfully the CLB is printed by a DOT MATRIX printer, something that was yet to be invented when Obama was born in 1961. Obama may have a birth certificate but for some unknown reason he has not produced it. 2012 should be interesting as several states have passed bills requiring a BIRTH CERTIFICATE to be on the ballot. -GP

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DERP !
Georgia Patriot wrote:

DERP DERP DERP DERP DERP DERP DERP DERP DERP DERP DERP DERP DERP DERP DERP DERP DERP DERP DERP DERP Obama DERP DERP DERP birth certificate DERP DERP, DERPY DERP DERP DERP DERP DERP DERP DERP DERP

You birthers contribute so much in the way of intelligent conversation to this site.

(and yes, I was being sarcastic)

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OK SMRTAZZ

You disagree with any of the FACTS I stated above or just want to stand back and point fingers? Maybe call the FACTS a fetish? FWIW, I have no idea if this man has an ACTUAL birth certificate and neither do you. -GP

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Thanks for the option!

Given a choice, I'd just as soon point fingers at you and laugh.

Life is too short to debate birther nonsense.

I'm quite sure you really really believe this birther idiocy.

Unfortunately for you, very few rational adults believe this WHARGARBL.

People recognize it for what it is: barely concealed race-baiting propaganda designed to cast doubts on the legitimacy of President Obama's election.

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Bovine Excrement
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People recognize it for what it is: barely concealed race-baiting propaganda designed to cast doubts on the legitimacy of President Obama's election.

Really. A middle aged white guy of a liberal ilk that beats the racism drum if people question any aspect of the current president. There are better ways to present facts and debate than this. It is truly a bit tired in 2011

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Birther nonsense

So tell us, Wedge, are you one of those folks who choose to believe that our President is not an American citizen?

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No, I beleive that he is a native of Hawaii

but I also believe that he has handled the whole thing incredibly poorly. I know that you disagree with my thoughts on this, but you probably also thought that Dan Rather got the story right and he should not have had any reprecussions. Our biases damn us, right? I think that it is a Nazi debate tactic to immediately attack criticism in any form of the current president as racist. I have met you and I do not believe that you would look good in jackboots

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Good to know, Wedge

I'm glad you haven't thrown your lot in with the retard right (oops, not politically correct! should've said "Palin-Americans").

I'm not sure what you mean about Dan Rather getting the story right, perhaps you could enlighten me. Was this about the Crawford Coward's military desertion?

Insofar as Nazi Debate Tactics go, you're welcome to your opinion, obviously my take on things is a bit different. I feel that if you let silly old innuendo queens like Ga Pat or chronic liars such as oofu get away with spreading lies and falsehoods, it just embiggens them.

I enjoy calling them out on their intellectual dishonesty, it's been fun watching Pattycakes explain to us how a "certificate of live birth" is not a "birth certificate".

Given time, I believe Patty could convince herself that 2+2=5.

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Wedge

By "handled the whole thing incredibly poorly," I think you mean that he doesn't repeatedly say that he is a citizen, shove out more paper-work for consumption, have others say he is a citizen, etc.

The President is smarter than that. He was accepted as a qualified candidate by proper officials and he doesn't owe every complainer in the USA any further explanation. If he tried that, then every candidate in the future would have to satisfy for their entire term every member of the opposite party.

It is just more of the radical bunch's crap. By the way does Boehner have a birth Certificate? Many don't, you know. I'll bet Lincoln didn't have one.

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Wedge

Accusations of racism is the mantra of the left. If you don't agree with them or vote their way, you're a racist.

Just listen to the numbskull Howard Dean accusing the Tea Party of racism.

Dean: Some Tea Party members find black president 'unsettling'

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Facts

I stated facts and you seem to have a problem with them. Instead of arguing facts you responded with childish emotions and race-baiting. I repeat, what did I state that was not True? -GP

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GP do you believe

there is an issue with our current president’s citizenship? If so call the FBI and ask them to investigate. If the CIA or FBI have not found that he is a foreigner in sheep’s clothing, you need to call them so they will invetsigate. It seems you and your friends are on the right track. To the nut house that is.

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Facts

Has ANYONE seen his birth certificate? Or as far as that goes, his college records? I stated facts, provide information if you think the facts I provided are incorrect. Childish name calling does nothing to counter the truth. Provide facts. -GP

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Facts

Fact - Not all states provide a copy of original birth certificates when requesting a copy of the same. From personnel experience they give you a Live Birth cert. when you request a replacement. The state of Hawaii would be at fault if what they have provided does not meet your standard. Start with them maybe they need a laugh with someone as gullible as you.

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Conjecture ≠ "Fact"

What you've done is thrown a ton of innuendo around in a pathetic attempt to cast doubt on the legitimacy of President Obama's presidency.

To answer your question about ANYONE seeing President Obama's birth certificate, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the the Hawaii State Department of Health has.

The gold standard for myth-debunking websites is snopes.com. They have an interesting section debunking your specious claims regarding President Obama HERE

It also contains a photo of that pesky birth announcement in the Hawaiian newspapers.

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Real Birth Certificate From Hawaii

Fact, an original Hawaii birth certificate looks like this: http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=105347 I never said Obama does not have one, the only thing I stated is that what is being passed around as an actual birth certificate is not a birth certificate but is called a certificate of live birth and was created at a later date using a dot matrix printer. http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=122427 I actually believe he probably does have a real long form birth certificate but has not produced it. I am much older than Obama and can easily provide a long form birth certificate. -GP

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I see...

Mighty magnanimous of you to finally admit that President Obama "probably" has a "real" birth certificate.

I notice that salient little point hasn't stopped you from spreading scurrilous little innuendos that he doesn't.

You're quite the gossipy little woman.

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Scurrilous Innuendo?

Please explain where that was. Facts speak for themselves. -GP

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Bacon & Birth Certificate

Rest easy greasy! New Gov of Hawaii is determined to bring that issue to a close. Let's just see what he does! Just as a side issue, I'll bet that every one of us who routinely posts here has a copy of his/her birth certificate from whatever state in which we were born and would not hesitate to release it to settle a dispute or avoid controversy. Takethe bet?

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Dance, Negro, Dance!

I'd normally agree with ya, Gym, but this is a case of gossipy old women like Ga Pat playing the "Dance, Negro, DANCE!" game.

Prodded along by Satan's favorite website (wnd.com), the braying right wingers keep moving the goalposts: "Produce your birf certificate, Negro!" "Okay, here you go" "NO, Negro! We wants the ORIGINAL!"

That sort of stuff gives meaning to the pathetic lives of birthers. They are trying to take control of the debate, constantly changing the terms to give themselves the advantage (not unlike the Citizen's Coward-in-Residence, observerofu)

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Oh now. Mark Twain....

....got into trouble with that kind of talk!

We are now changing masterpieces to suit PCs.

Does the "History of The Popes," detail money taken in for dispensations?

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Not About Race!!!!

Why play the race card? Ever consider there might be something on the original birth certioficate that Obama doesn't want to get out? FWIW, Obama is no more a black man than he is a white man, ever consider that? -GP

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Not About Race GPAT?

Hmm, did you have the same birther concerns about John McCain running for president? He was most certainly born outside of the US, in the Panama Canal zone at a time when it was not a US territory (1936). Do you think he is a 'natural born' US citizen?

You can respond but I won't respond back--I am stooping way to low even in writing this post, but the Falcons off-week is leaving me bored.

Go Falcons!

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Ninja & McCain

Certainly no need to respond, but you show your ignorance by not recognizing that McCain's Father was at the time serving in the US Armed Forces which automatically qualified McCain as a US Citizen.

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Response to At Home Gym Only

I will respond to you because you are a decent fellow and not prone to illogical rants. I don't think there is a special clause under USCIS for children of military personnel to automatically receive citizenship at birth. Perhaps you could kindly direct me to that info?

The citizenship of persons born outside of the US has to do with the nationality of the parents, at least one of which needs to be a US citizen and meet some other requirements.

I have researched this issue for a while now, and not because of the birther nonsense, and in all the info about McCain's citizenship status did I see anything referring to 'because his father was serving in the military.' The US is a jus sanguinis (by blood) and a jus soli (by soil) nation when it comes to citizenship, so there are various ways to be a 'natural born' citizen, which does not mean 'born in the US' as most birthers believe.

Thank you.

Go Falcons!

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Bacon & Dance

All I'm asking is what is being asked that is different if you or I had a situation where we needed to prove our birthplace/birthtime? Would we hesitate to release the info? I don't think so. I have had to do that a number of times for a number of reasons and it always cost me a few bucks to get a certified copy from the NC Dept of Vital Statistics--no problem.

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Not dot-matrix, laser

Dot matrix documents are very easy to alter and I can't think any state would be reproducing "official documents" with a dot matrix printer. The certificate of live birth that a very, very few people in the world give a damn whatsoever about was clearly printed from a laser printer.

Not that it matters, but I don't see anywhere in the article where the author says anything about dot matrix printing anyway.

Also, I don't know where you got the wrong idea about how long dot matrix printers have been around, but IBM was making them in the 1950's before Obama was born in 1961. Again, not that it matters whatsoever in this issue.

EDIT: Here's a link for anyone that cares at all about ancient history of printers:
http://gadgets.softpedia.com/news/History-of-Computer-Printers-032-01.html

"In 1953, the first high-speed printer was developed by Remington-Rand for use on the Univac computer, while the first dot matrix printer was marketed by IBM, in 1957, the same year that the dye-sublimation printer entered the market."

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Wasn't that "certificate of birth"...

....printed in recent years from data?

What is the matter with people anyway, all African-Americans weren't born out of the USA!

He was accepted and elected.

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I made a mistake

it should have read "laser printer" instead of dot matrix. Interesting to note that dot matrix printers have been around since 1953, i would have never guessed that. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2133500/posts -GP

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Obama Care - will it unravel?

According to several news sources the president has informed congressional leaders that it cannot implement long term health care AKA "CLASS Program" because it couldn’t have been structured to collect enough in premiums to remain solvent.

Well, imagine that.

I wonder when the geniuses will figure out that the rest of the program is not sustainable.

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Obama and long term care

I was sorry to see the Obama Admninistration abandon the long term care element of the Affordable Health Care Act.

But Cyclist's delight in this is affirmation of what conservatives believe --that a real America is an unhealthy America.

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We all invite...

...our own death, for the most part. Maybe the Federal gov't can save us from ourselves, if we give it enough $$$.

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lion & LTC

My wife and I have had LTC for 9+ yrs--don't you know how to get it? It's readily available--if you meet the physical rqmts and pay the premiums. What? You want it for free...ah yes, shoulda figured.

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AHG and long term care

Glad that you and your wife have long term care.

My wife and I have also had long term care insurance for 9 years. We could afford it and got it when we were both reasonably healthy.

The LTC under the Affordable Healthcare Act would not have been free. Why did you think it was to be free?

The program was cancelled because it depended on large numbers of healthy, working people to join the program and analysis showed that was unlikely to happen.

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Good riddance to CLASS
lion wrote:

The program was cancelled because it depended on large numbers of healthy, working people to join the program and analysis showed that was unlikely to happen.

It was common knowledge that it was impossible for CLASS to be in any way self-sustaining. Maybe it was the fact that its biggest proponent(Kennedy) died that CLASS was ever included, but anyone even barley proficient in math knew it was completely doomed as a self-sustaining program, just like SS is. Fortunately, this ponzi nonsense just got cutoff before it could be ingrained as another "right" and another drag on the country and a strong encouragement for those to depend on "everyone else" to take care of them.

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Freeloaders Unite

Aww shucks I thought we are supposed to get everything for free in this country. What the?

I want everything for free. Just like the pilgrims, they would stand in line on Fridays while Washington signed all of their welfare checks......right?

Hmmm....maybe real Americans work for what they want or what they think they need instead of stealing it from the people who do work. Nobody owes you anything. Work hard for what you think you need.

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SkySpy & Freebies

Hey, FEHBP ain't free! And before you retire, you might want to consider signing up for the Federally administered Long Term Care--it's cheaper than what CLASS would have been.

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At Home

I know it's not free. Have a good weekend. This is perfect flying weather.

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Flying Weather

You're right---you have a mighty fine CAVU weekend! Too bad you couldn't make our last outing at El Ranchero---Kevin was expecting you!

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Affordable Health Care Act - Is it a Lie?
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But Cyclist's delight in this is affirmation of what conservatives believe

Affirmation of what conservations believe in? Well some believe that Obama Care is not financially sustainable. The fact that CLASS is gone even though the CBO said that it was sustainable and, in fact, would reduce the deficit $70 billion through 2019 begs the question of how much more of this so-called Affordable Health Care act is nothing more than smoke and mirrors.

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Hey Cy, Senator McConnell called the AHCA

nothing but a budget gimmick! And the administration was told back in 2009 that CLASS would not be sustainable and of course they chose to totally ignore that advice.

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Hey Gym

But I know it has got to work because.....well because the CBO says so.

I think the WSJ said it best;

"Washington insisted on treating CBO's cost estimates as if God Himself had carved them into stone tablets, but as Class's mercy killing shows all they proved was that Democrats were good at manipulating its assumptions and synthetic budget conventions."

In other words, the whole thing is starting to take the shape of a big lie. Of course, many knew that it was just that.

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cy & Who Knew

Not many knew BECAUSE NOT MANY READ THE DAMN THING!!

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Wisdom - Cy

May indicate a need for thinking people to sit down and discuss/ evaluate this program instead of using it as a political football sponsored by special interests. If parts of this program promotes healthier Americans, wouldn't that lower some healthcare costs? Do we still put out a lot of funds to care for polio victims?

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Davids mom - Wisdom....

coming from Washington. Is that possible???? I'm not sure about Poliomyelitis funding.

BTW, how is your mom?

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Cy - LOL

If we can't hope that Washington will improve and work for the American people, WE'RE IN TROUBLE!! My point regarding polio was prevention does save money. My mom will be 101 in December! . . .and she's getting stronger!!!! Her long term health care is me!! ( Plus she and my father planned for the future. However, without LTHC, she would have to assign much of her property to a care facility.). Statistics support that our elders live longer in their own home with family / familiar surroundings. If we become a healthier nation, we may be able to care for ourselves well past 80. My mother was not in need of daily supervised care until she was 95.

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Obamacare

Obamacare, like the Obama presidency, is nothing but a sham.