"Beat Whitey Night" At Iowa State Fair

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"Beat Whitey Night" At Iowa State Fair

A report by Sgt. David Murillo noted that, “officers at the fairgrounds advise there was a group of 30-40 individuals roaming the fairgrounds openly calling it ‘Beat Whitey Night.’” The victim, 36-year-old Jammie Carroll, suffered “severe injuries to his eyes, cheekbones, and nose,” and was hospitalized at Mercy Medical Center with multiple facial contusions.

Interesting how this was not picked up by any of the major news networks. Now, if it had been the other way around, Sharpton and the rest of the race hustlers would have swarmed on Iowa.

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Sharpton would have had to leave DC

from protesting the Restoring Honor Rally.

Now why would Sharpton protest Americans restoring Honor to America?

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Sharpton is the number one racist around

He and his group should have been on the steps with beck. As a united group of americans trying to take back this country. But no sharpton makes a big damn race issue out of it. Lets hold hand and march crap.

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A Quote From A Friend Who Attended The Rally

My report on the restoring Honor rally; at LEAST 500K ppl, orderly, friendly, polite, gracious......very well planned and executed. Wonderfully NON-political. Uplifting, inspiring, motivating. An absolutely outstanding day in all respects!

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A report from the MLK Memorial March

was actually the same. Too bad they could not have been at the 'same' rally or joined one another between the two sites. King and Lincoln would have smiled.

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The MLK'rs Would Have Been More Than Welcome

But if reconciliation took place then David Duke Sharpton would become irrelevant.

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. . And it's my understanding that the 'white' people at the MLK Memorial were welcomed. Too bad leaders couldn't have seen this as an opportunity for 'healing' instead of 'grandstanding'. Reclaiming the Dream is a theme that is being used in the 'black' community - since the dream of all Americans working together has been sidestepped while dealing with 'other issues'. I will not engage in denigrating either one of the leaders of these events - except neither exhibited the leadership skill of MLK.

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EDUCATION SEC URGED STAFF: GO TO SHARPTON RALLY

EDUCATION SEC URGED STAFF: GO TO SHARPTON RALLY

8.31.10 -President Obama's top education official urged government employees to attend a rally that the Rev. Al Sharpton organized to counter a larger conservative event on the Mall.

No, nothing political at all...... Not according to the libs. They'll deny it.

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August 28

Since 1963, this speech and the commemoration of it have been identified as non-political. For years, throughout the nation, there have been events to 'remember' this speech - which is considered historical and memorable.
What is to deny? The commemoration of the I Have A Dream speech is celebrated throughout the country on this date - in schools, cities, etc. It is interesting that a largely 'conservative' political group led by an avowed 'conservative' would elect to hold a Restore Honor on the steps where the speech was delivered in 1963. Of course, this was not political.

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Politics is as Politics does

even the huff said it was "strangely" non-political. But then again why let facts mess up a good story. MLK would have undoubtedly hated a rally to restore Honor in America.

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If Jon Stewart says Herr Beck

If Jon Stewart says Beck didn't know the date, I believe him. Go to about 1:40 or around 2:05-2:18 or watch it all w/ Bloomberg & the Mosque.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/thu-august-26-2010-michael-blo...

It's over & all 100,000 of them got home safe & sound & no reports of them having to fight their way out of the baaad metro area. Hey, I guess none of them used the METRO. Time to move on.

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Your continued Nazi reference is a look into your character

but then again I didn't know Liberals had any.
Using Jon Stewart as a News reference explains a lot about your comments. Now I get it. At least that's a step up from the usual clowns at msnbc.

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Restoring our nation's honor?

For some reason I haven't heard exactly what "restoring our honor," means!

Did we lose it somewhere along the way?

Is it because we fought two unnecessary wars with no results?
Is it due to the current great recession?
Is it because we elected a minority race President?
Is it because everyone in the USA isn't an Evangelistic Christian?
Is it due to 30-40 million illegal people in the USA?
Is it a loss of respect for certain organizations? (police, firemen, High Ranking Military Officers).
Is it a loss of integrity about theft? (difference in hood robbers and Wall Street Robbers),
Or just what is it?
Beck's rules, maybe? (sex, alcohol, weed, conning, instability).

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Observeofu

The Sharpton March was not in protest to the Restore Honor rally - it was in commemoration of MLK at the site of the MLK Memorial.

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dmom in Sharpton's own words

""The folks who used to criticize us for marching are trying to have a march for themselves," the AP reported Sharpton said."

Sharpton said in an interview that Beck was hijacking MLK. I just find it interesting the only King in actual attendance was with Beck not Sharpton. Seems like the only one trying to hijack a legacy was Sharpton.

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Comments after the 'rallies

Validate that the leaders of these two rallies had personal aggrandizement in mind - rather than honoring MLK or uniting Americans. Many rallies were held throughout the nation that realized that 'Reclaiming the Dream' of all Americans working together has yet to be realized. The re-opening of the question of Obama's religious beliefs and Beck's academic achievements and past social history proves the US media is more interested in sensationalism than 'facts'. Beck and Sharpton's post-rally comments have done nothing to give credence to their stated purpose for the rallies. It is becoming evident that Restoring Honor and Reclaiming the Dream are not on the same thought path of many Americans. Sad. Most Americans are interested in JOBS, JOBS, JOBS. IMO - neither one (Beck or Shartpton) are relevant to bringing unity in our nation. If we as individuals know that we are judging those that we meet by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin, then we are doing our job. No matter what rally one supported, the individual effort is what counts towards healing the 'race' question. Conservative vs. liberal has been going on for a long time - within both the Democratic and Republican parties - and now it appears the Republican Party has become solidly conservative in all issues - not just fiscal. Oh well. . .so be it. The rallies are over - let's move on.

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Jobs, Jobs, Jobs

I wish the president was interested in creating an environment where companies feel comfortable about hiring more people. Instead, they have to just wait for the next ax to fall. Will it be higher costs for ObamaCare? Will it be higher taxes? Will it be more unionization? Will it be higher costs due to cap and trade? No one knows, so they sit and wait. Nothing else they can do. Meanwhile, the president and his cabinet continue to promote ideas that stifle jobs.

DM - You never answered my question. What did I state that was hateful?
(or were you just spewing again?)

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Kawfi: jobs

Might you be a little more specific?

Waiting for the ax? Makes no sense. It is my understanding that small businesses are waiting for cheap government loans, without too many questions, to run their businesses until sales get better! You know open up some of these empty, new, retail buildings and hire some people for unlikely sales!

That is pretty much what got us into this mess.

Obamacare won't have much effect on small business. Unless they make millions, they won't have much tax effect.
As to cap and trade--noone understands that yet.

We simply got too far into debt over about the last 9-10 years. That has to level out to a smaller economy before anything much can happen.

All this false accusations will die once the November elections are over, and even if a miracle happens and the conserves win a majority, it will be interesting to see where they get the money to instantly create jobs!

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Small Business Legislation

I'm sure you feel that will not help the small business in this country. What will? Sitting and waiting can be trumped if some would put their heads together and try to solve these problems - political party aside.

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DM: political party aside?

DM, that is more flourishing use of words without meaning!

It is never going to happen. Politicians bargain and compromise and end up trading one bad thing for another bad thing! Can't change that or there is no two party system!

It is like saying: Invite the Pope over to the AME Church Sunday to work out Papal Powers with the Reverend Wright. Al will also be there along with the Cardinal from NYC. No Methodists, Baptists or Lutherans needed.
Mormons----are you kidding!
Asian religions aren't interested anyway.

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Rev., Wright is not a member of the AME church. He is a member of the United Church of Christ. http://www.ucc.org/ In your illusions - at least have some facts on which to base them. The purpose of our Congress is to have persons represent the populations and communities of our states to meet and solve problems and govern. We haven't been able to do that with a Congress that is composed mostly of the majority racial, gender, and religious parts of our country - why? BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENCES IN THE LIBERAL AND CONSERVATIVE CONCEPTS OF GOVERNANCE. IS THE TWO PARTY SYSTEM WORKING - even though most are men, white, Christian? Looking forward to your response.

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I know Wright isn't an AME member! It is just where they were to meet!

By the way, what is the difference in AME and United Church of Christ?

One black, other mixed?

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Courthouserules

Look it up. The difference is more than the racial makeup of the church congregation.

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DM: the difference

I see that you don't know either!
I must assume that those differences are acceptable by heaven's judgment?

I don't handle snakes myself. Nor roll in the aisles, nor wriggle and shake like Sarah!
I don't repeat everything the pastor says and say, Amen.
I don't play honky-tonks on the weekend and for church on Sunday (for a few bucks).

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You need help. Some might think you are describing what you think occurs in some churches that may have AME or United Church of Christ services. Why don't you look it up - and see what the difference may be in history, governance, services, and beliefs. Many readers here are quite aware of the differences and similarities - neither have ' snakes' as part of the service.

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Obama is Not a Muslim

Obama is Not a Muslim

Yes, the guy bellowing "God dam* America!" is the one vouching for Obama's Christianity. That's like saying you got sober with the help of your A.A. sponsor Lindsay Lohan.

Classic Coulter - great read....

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Tears in the eyes of King and Lincoln

How I wish that we could have seen a sea of American humanity in DC this weekend celebrating how far we have come in this country regarding race relations. Instead, what was witnessed was the continued separation for the most part of black and white Americans. Our enemies continue to win. We may be destroyed from within. We can reach the moon, travel long distances in a short amount of time, cure diseases such as polio, but we can't get along as Americans. The Christian doctrine teaches that we are all the children of God. . . not black, white, Jew, Buddhist, Muslim, conservative, liberal, etc. This is a difficult lesson for mere mortals to learn and/or practice. Some are criticized here for reflecting spiritually on our problems - yet that was the announced purpose of the Restore Honor assembly/rally. King's 'I Have A Dream' speech was a call for all Americans to join together. Hope resides in the next generation. That goal is commendable, and we're still on the journey to reflecting the words of our Constitution. The two rally's Saturday show that we have a little further to go on the journey.

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"Our enemies continue to win"

Not sure what the Restore Honor rally and the I have a dream speech have to do with a bunch of thug rapper want to be's deciding that they want to beat up white people.

Who are "our enemies" and what do they "continue to win", DM?

The Restore Honor rally was meant for all Americans. No one was excluded.
Did you see some of the speakers at the rally? If some decided that they did not want to participate in resoring honor to our country as the founding fathers built our great country, that was certainly their choice.

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Who are "our enemies" and what do they "continue to win", DM?

Thug rappers, vendors of hate paraphernalia and concepts, etc. . .OUR ENEMIES! There were a 'few' minorities at the Restore Honor rally and a few 'whites' at the I Have A Dream rally. Lincoln and King would have rejoiced at one celebration. . .but that is not your goal. You continue to TRY TO WIN with you desperate attempts at hateful remarks that many here simply ignore. You are the enemy of a United States of America - and I stand corrected - YOU ARE NOT WINNING! LOL!

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Only an idiot

Would inject race into this rally.

But...it is all that many have have.....

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Only blind idiots refuse to

Only blind idiots refuse to see 'race' as a problem in our country. If this was not so - there would have been a sea of American faces of all colors in front of the Lincoln memorial on the memorial date of the MLK I Have A Dream speech. . .and the proposed site of the MLK Memorial.

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Typical

How right you are. Race IS a problem in this country. And yet even when it is not the issue at hand, idiot bigoted clowns make it an issue.

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Only lefties see race while the rest of us see Americans

I was there and saw many of my fellow Americans of Color. But why is it that the left must see blacks to make an event legit?

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What DM?

What exactly did I say that was hateful?

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Hateful

may have been too strong for your recent contributions since Cal has made it clear that certain standards must be observed. However, you, IMO, are one who never has any constructive comments on any issue.

Sharpton and the rest of the race hustlers would have swarmed on Iowa.

More garbage from the paper with the news that's fit to wrap dead fish in.

Atlanta city government is nothing but a good ol' boys club. These crooks will protect each other and no one will go to jail or be punished.

I respect your right to voice your opinions - I don't think you add much to the conversation, and I'm sure you don't think that I add much to the conversation.

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DM - The truth really bothers you doesn't it.

DM - The truth really bothers you doesn't it? Have you not noticed that even the liberals in these blogs don't defend your racism / race apology any more? You are truly disgusting but you are certainly right about one thing; race relations still have a way to go in this country.

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Major Mike

You seem to have a problem with 'truth'. There are persons in this discussion who don't agree with those who have identified themselves as 'Beck' conservatives. I have never 'apologized' for racist attitudes. THEY EXIST! AND I HAVE STATED THAT I FEEL THAT THE UNITED STATES STILL HAS RACIST CITIZENS. .AND RACIST ATTITUDES. I am proud of the progress that I have seen in this country during my 71 years. Progress should be acknowledged - and continued growth should be attempted. Many citizens are working towards continued growth. Attacking me and others that you consider 'liberals' tells more about you than about me.

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DM - You just love to twist things to

DM - You just love to twist things to suit your own agenda, don't you? I make a comment that even liberals no longer will defend you in these blogs and your self serving translation is that I am attacking liberals. I am a social moderate and I actually value the liberal perspective in these blogs and from other sources. You however, are in the category of self serving racists / race apologists and as such, deserve to be recognized as what you are.

Race relations in this country are degenerating daily and the fault lies with people like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Barrack Obama , and YOU. To repeat myself - "you are what someone far more eloquent than I has labeled you; nothing more than a racist old biddy".

Let us know when you finally realize that that dead horse you keep flogging is no longer mobile.

BTW & ROFLMAO - You claim to have been a school teacher therefore you SHOULD have the rudimentary skills needed to look up and define the term "race apologist".

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a·pol·o·gist
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a person who makes a defense in speech or writing of a belief, idea, etc.

I think you are the one who 'twists'. I have never defended 'racism' or 'racist'. However, your definition of eloquence is 'telling'. I have the right to express my views - and will continue to do so. The discussion of 'race' is not a dead horse. This discussion is being held throughout the country by intelligent persons who have enough self-assurance to not accept blame or make judgments of actions of the past - but to take steps so that mistakes of the past are not repeated. Your attempts at insulting or silencing one who does not agree with you are a waste of time. Just don't read or react to my contributions - life will go on.

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DM

It's difficult to state something constructive about a destructive administration, the media that enables their destructive tendencies, and race hustlers.

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Constructive

You are following your directives to the T! Keep up the good work! Anyone who disagrees with your assessment of this administration is a blind follower of the media and/or a racist. I think this election will show that the citizens want representatives who will work together for CITIZENS and not PARTIES. We'll see.

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And what would those directives be?

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DM -

Again, what are my 'directives'?

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Kawfi - the follower

You're such a good little person - I might guess that you are being directed to demonize Obama and discredit all persons you consider 'liberal'. (Just a guess.)

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It Appears...

That your demi-god doesn't need Joe's help in being demonized. By the way the polls look and the anger toward he and is cronies, they appear quite capable of demonizing themselves.

So much for that New Years Resolution. It didn't work did it?

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New Years Resolution

Of course it's working! I have been civil, and expressed myself courteously. Have I been rude to you or anyone else? If anyone feels that I have - I sincerely apologize.

the anger toward he and is cronies, they appear quite capable of demonizing themselves.
Take your time in responding - I know you are outstanding in written and oral language.

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Another Radical with Obama

She is in the Department of Labor and her name is Dolores Huerta. She is a self avowed Socialist and we are paying her to teach Socialism in Schools. She teaches that Capitalism is bad and the Hugo Chavez revolution is good and America needs to emulate it. Oh and Republicans hate Hispanics.

These people just keep popping up in this administration. The American people are not radicals and when they continue to see these Mao loving socialist in government November will be a slaughter.

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Dolores Huerta- Socialist in Obama Administration

Wikipedia - Dolores Huerta

From Wikipedia, Dolores C. Huerta (born April 10, 1930) is the co-founder and First Vice President Emeritus of the United Farm Workers of America, AFL-CIO (UFW), and a member of the Democratic Socialists of America.

Oh, and look- She was a 'Community Organizer' too!

In 1955, Huerta co-founded the Stockton chapter of the Community Service Organization

Birds of a feather, you know. Just sayin'

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The rest of the story

One would need to be a Chicana or a member of stoop laborers to care for this lady.
She co-founded NFWA with Caesar Chavez
Organized a grape boycott, obtaining a three year contract for pickers
Driver's license test printed also in Spanish
Got law in CA passed for aid to children.
During non-violent actions was arrested 22 times
Once beaten severely (broken ribs and spleen removal) by SF police
Escorted Robert Kennedy when he was shot
Awarded an Honorary Degree from Princeton University 2006
Placed Hilary Clinton's name in nomination for President
Awarded University Of California Medal, it's highest.
Has 11 children yet champions freedom of choice.

No doubt is a very liberal proponent of individual rights over masters.

We need all kinds of "birds of a feather" for this to be the USA!

Even Herr Beck and Herr Limbaugh.

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Thanks for sharing why some recall her achievements with pride. I'm not Chicana nor a member of stoop laborers - but I admire many of her accomplishments for those who usually don't have a 'voice'.

We need all kinds of "birds of a feather" for this to be the USA!

. . .and that's the truth!!

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DM: "with pride"

I didn't say with pride! It is just a list of who she is. That sort of accomplishments doesn't suit every one. Thomas Jefferson isn't appreciated by some.

I just happen to think that people should take into consideration all of one's contributions to humanity.
We wouldn't want a President who totally ignored any of our people even though we may as individuals do on occasion.

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I understand. Thanks for sharing anyway. That's the beauty of The Citizens' discussion groups - it gives everyone an opportunity to see another point of view. Agreement is not necessary.

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Directed, DM?

By whom? I take direction from no one.

You libs always assume there is some sort of conspiracy or cry racicsm when you lose the argument.

Obama has been a complete and utter failure as a leader. The sooner that you learn to accept that fact, the better.

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Kawfi

What you have difficulty understanding is that there is no 'argument' - just differences of opinion. I don't agree with your opinion. . .you don't agree with mine. Nothing to argue about. My experience is that my freedoms are not deteriorating - and the price has been high. I'm grateful to those who have fought and continue to fight for the freedoms I enjoy. I remember when I didn't have them.

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Were blacks really there
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DM -

What exactly did I state that was "hateful"?

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Glenn Beck crowd: Not so white as advertised

Glenn Beck crowd: Not so white as advertised

WASHINGTON – Hundreds of thousands of Americans – of many creeds and colors – made what ended up being a pilgrimage of sorts to the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, D.C., for Glenn Beck's Restoring Honor rally.

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kawfi it doesn't fit the template

all Teaparty members are racist, bigots and homophobes.

Even when presented with photo evidence their response is "who are you going to believe me or your lying eyes".

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Observer, if a tree falls in the forest

If a tree falls in the forest and 500,000 people stood around to watch it, would that make the event significant?

It doesn't matter if 10 million people showed up. Beck has no credibility in matters of spirituality. He talked about God. He talked about civil rights. But, for all of his Jimmy-Swaggart-esque "I have sinned before God" national call to penitence, he only spoke of God and civil rights as concepts.

What does he really mean by "restoring honor"? Setting aside the question of how "honor" was lost and who lost it, how will we know when it is "restored"? what should people do to restore it? Turn to God? Okay. Then what? Pray? I do that every day without any encouragement from Beck.

Beck-a-palooza was the equivalent of spiritual tourettes syndrome. He spat out Christian-sounding themes and conveniently (or more likely out of spiritual ignorance) left out the underlying biblical substance. Call it what you will but, seems to me that it was more about the man and his ego than God's message.

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Well thankfully many disagree with you

in fact most of America does. So I suppose we will let the people decide if Glenn was and is correct. Considering the Whitehouse and the fringe media of CBS, NBC and ABC wish to shut him down. I for one will take Beck's side.

God will judge us as to who is right.

Huffington Post most ridiculous in photos: Note American Flags, Constitutions,
quotes from George Washington all fall into the Huffs most ridiculous. Tells all you need to know.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/30/glenn-becks-restoring-hon_2_n_6...

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Liberal threats

This is what Liberals are reduced to when they lose the argument:

Sean Hannity, FreedomWorks, and Rush Limbaugh receive death threats

Listen to the caller in the link.

30, 2010/Paulding County, GA – Conservative radio and TV talk show host Sean Hannity reported today that Tea Party Patriots are being threatened by unknown sources and individuals. The threats, death threats were aimed at Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and Freedom Works.

At this point, no threats are known or have been said about citizens involved with the Tea Party movement, including members here in Paulding County.

The threats are so severe that the conservative FreedomWorks organization had to move its headquarters for safety.

FreedomWorks moved their headquarters into a high-security location near the Capitol building due to the threatening and very vulgar phone calls and emails. Sean Hannity played one call that contained vulgar and threatening language. The caller, a female, stated in the voice mail that both Hannity and Limbaugh would be destroyed. The caller went on to say, “Those two guys are dead.” She also stated that she was sick and tired of TeaBaggers.

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Teaparty radicals and racist

at least that is the script the left uses anyway. We are the ones that threaten their way of life. You know the one where they don't have to think for themselves or do for themselves because the Big ole Government will do it for them.

Yet every event where we gather is peaceful and shows the spirit of America. Heck we even leave the area cleaner then it was when we arrive. But just look at a few progressive/liberal protest or gatherings. It may start peaceful but soon cars are burning, windows are breaking and counter protesters attacked. But yet we are the ones that the left portrays as violent.

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Were you at either rally?

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There are 30 Blacks in Iowa?

Just kidding. I guess you expect US Liberals to come & defend this. Since what I have read there was 1 victim. I doubt the Des Moines Register reported about that woman who was killed at Mrs. Winners last night in Atlanta. Not burst any bubbles & Herr Beck did draw a crowd w/ Palin as a headliner (wonder what that kid of her's is up to?) but CBS paid for an estimate and it was more like 100,000. I can't believe they all got into & out of DC. It was very brave of them to go naked, No Open Carry.

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You get what you pay for

and CBS paid to have an estimate. Nuff said.

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/44950/

Look at the photo of the crowd. From the steps to the WWII memorial is estimated in the past by other events to be about 150K. From the Reflection pool right another 50-75k.
The field on the left of the Reflection pool is estimated 250K to 300k.

So all together the crowd was estimated at 400k-500k. Not the 87,000 CBS and the 10,000+ AP is reporting. 100k would not even fill the Reflection pool area. So like I said you get what you pay for.

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OK, 4-500,000

But the rest of us 314,500,500 don't want him or anyone like Herr Beck!

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If by "Us" you mean progressives

I am sure you are correct. Thank GOD you are in the minority.

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Minority?

My candidate won the election, I don't feel in the minority. Now back to that crowd est. You paid how much for your survey or did we get what we paid for, which would be nothing for nothing = nothing? I am actually amazed he didn't attract one million like minded fear mongels all carrying guns (as is their right). How dare the system fail us so that a non-American, secret Muzlom (no matter now that he went to that church of that white hatin' Wright [couldn't make that stick during the election]), domestic terrorist associate, socialist (secret communist). Now gawd forbid, the "govment" is going to make us take personal responsibility to have health insurance before we actually are a drain on the health care system..after years of paying nothing. Why it is just un-American.
This country actually lost its Honor, when it backed a corrupt govt in what was essentially a civil war in SE Asia. "My Country, Right or Wrong" is only a slogan. This country lost its honor when it followed a half-wit son-of-a-Pres to war over made up lies for at best personal family honor & at worst capitalist greed. Mired itself in its longest war over ineptitude at the highest levels. This country began to regain "its" honor by electing the best candidate w/out regard to color (or religion).

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There's that Patriot Math™ again!

I commend CBS for retaining the services of professional crowd estimators, who used independent aerial photography analysis experts to correctly estimate the crowd at Beck's "I Have a Scheme" weekend at about 87,000 people, plus or minus 9,000.

Of course, 87,000 equates to "400,000 to 500,000" for those who prefer to use Patriot Math™.

Hmmmm....I wonder how many of those 87,000 attendees pronounce the word "Negro" with two "g's"?

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Patroit Math

Reminds me of the very old westerns where a few in a Fort stood up dead soldiers on the wall with a gun to make the Indians think the fort was jam-packed full of soldiers!
What they didn't know was that the Indians could care less how many there were in that Fort, they were all going to die!

I don't know who all these Herr Becks and TEAS are going to vote for, but if they were to win something important, like a MAJORITY, I suppose they might re-write their beloved Constitution!

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Patriot Math

Here's an interesting article written by the guy who was contracted to do the crowd estimation LINK

I found it amusing that this man was lionized as an "expert" by the right wingnuts when he declared the Obama inauguration crowd estimate to be "only" 800,000 people, not the one million claimed by the Obama inauguration team.

Of course, now that he's come in with his 80,000 person crowd estimate for the alleged "400K to 500K" Beckstillnacht Reichpartie, he's a damnable Librul partisan hack.

In any event, he's got quite an impressive resume of crowd estimating.

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Beck and "Honor Restored"

Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor' rally was mainly an exploitation of "white fright."

America's honor was restored/reaffirmed in November 2008 with the election of Barack Obama. After a long history of slavery, segregation, and racial discrimination, a comfortable majority of Americans elected our first African-American President. It was a proud moment for America and was cheered around the world as the United States demonstrated it was still a symbol of hope for the world.

But the extreme wing of the Republican Party immediately chose to demonize our new President. Not satisfied to challenge President Obama and the Democrats on policy issues, they attacked him personally trying to delegitimize his Presidency. They charged that he was not born in the United States, that he was a socialist, probably a communist, They attacked his religion suggesting that he was a secret Muslim and therefore un-American. They attacked Obama as associating with terrorists. President Obama was in some way just a product of Acorn and a supporter of the New Black Panthers.

In short, he was not really a President to whom we owed respect.

And Glenn Beck has played into this extreme anger. Beck accused President Obama of being a racist, of hating whites and white culture, and described his administration as like the Planet of the Apes.

You cannot ignore race as a major element in Beck's rally. Many white Americans are afraid that their vision of America is slipping away. An African-American is President, millions of immigrants want to become citizens, gays want to marry. This is not Reagan's America. These people long for an America in which they felt comfortable but in reality excluded too many of our citizens. But times are changing and change frightens many.

Liberals are not injecting race into this discussion. Beck and other extremists are the ones playing to racial fears and this is dishonoring America.

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Progressives rejecting Honor why am I not surprised

Wow look at the fear here. You guys are so afraid that your socialist utopia is now in doubt that you have to lash out.

If you guys want to believe CBS fine who cares NBC, MSNBC, ABC has all said the crowd was at least 300K but then again who's counting. I find it hilarious that you progressives all want to throw the bigot racist card out but conveniently forget the Niece of Dr. King was in attendance as was many prominent pastors of color as well as many African Americans. But go ahead
and cry. November is coming soon and we will put a halt to the progressive agenda.

Note here 500k to 1 Million estimated for We are one for Obama.
http://chicagoist.com/attachments/Marcus%20Gilmer/2009_12_31_obama_05.JPG

and another:
http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt137/bambam8909/4405_17676915.jpg

and now the Restoring Honor:
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/44950/

and here is a crowd of 85k
http://tnjn.com/content/storyimage/2009/03/07/bmscrowd.box.jpg

Now please tell me there was only 87k and I will simply call you an idiot.

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Definition of Honor

Herr Beck proposes a return to honor. I have been baffled as to what he meant by that so I looked up most definitions:

honesty?; requiring credit for acts; respect for wealth and rank; respecting the dead; fame; glory; being associated with respected people; titles of all kinds; deferential to officials?; success?; purity of women?; high bridge cards; winners go first; worship an honor; accept; bow while dancing; accept responsibility for actions without lawyers; absence of fraud; and how others see you!

I have never been a big fan of selecting certain people to worship or title. I suppose the Wall Street Dudes if unregulated and made billions each would deserve honor for success and wealth and honesty?
Heil mien Fuhrer!

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Lion

You are right, we are wrong. Why, Obama's doing a bang-up job!

That's why unemployment remains at 9.5% and economists state that is where it will be for a long time.

That's why his approval ratings continue to slide.

That's why the value of the dollar continues to go down.

That's why the deficits continue to rise without a thing to show for it except for more people on welfare and foodstamp roles.

That's why foreign dictators thumb their noses at the U.S.

All that hope and change was really a good thing for America! What was I thinking?

Keep it up Barry! Your permenant vacation starts 1/20/2013!

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Sarah Palin to Make Foray Into Iowa

Sarah Palin to Make Foray Into Iowa

Let's hope her visit does not coincide with "Beat Whitey Night". It could get ugly.

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Foray?

To raid, ravage, plunder and pillage!
Yeah, prety true.

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"Beat Whitey NIght" ??

This sounds like something organized by the black panthers/sharpton and rev. WRONG!! How typical that the major news networks didn't want to report on this. I'm so surprised that they ignored this racist hate event.

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Of course they ignore it- It's all one sided. Notice how they ignored the fact that Sharpton ranted about Beck's rally, but Beck rose way above it and did not reciprocate. Two completely different people with two completely different agendas. One wanted to bring all people together for a common cause and the other (Sharpton) is nothing but an illegitimate race pimp.

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The real funny part is the idea was Sharptons

Glenn took his suggestion and ran with it.

Apparently ole Al forgot about that.

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Kawfi: It's only Hate Directed @ Whites

You can't expect them to get too excited. Hate directed at white people is ok according to the dems/black panther/sharpton/weather underground/obumbles crowd. So who cares? Right?

Typical American style RACISM!! This is also typical of our "news" media.