New immigration law turns Arizona into police state

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Guilty until proven innocent. Or more to the point: illegal until proven innocent.
That's what the racist immigration law signed by Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer last Friday does to the people of that state. Now, anyone can be stopped by the police at any time and for no reason other than the color of their skin. They can be questioned about their immigration status and forced to carry papers 24 hours a day.
Ironically, it was Fox News anchor Shepard Smith, not exactly an immigrant advocate, who best defined the already infamous SB1070 as the "breathing while Latino law."
It "sounds a lot like the old 'driving while black' law," Smith correctly pointed out, referring to a time when African-American drivers were allegedly stopped by New Jersey State Police in inordinate numbers.
It seems that in Arizona - rapidly making a name for itself as the Alabama of the West - brown is the new black.
Rep. Charles Rangel (D-Harlem) asked the relevant questions: "Tell me, how does an undocumented person look? What does an illegal look like? And how far will one go to prove it?"
Obviously, in Arizona some are willing to go as far as ignoring the Constitution, trampling human rights and becoming a police state.
The new law forces the local police to question people about their immigration status if they suspect they are in the U.S. illegally. That's the same as saying if you "look foreign," you can be asked for "your papers, please."
You don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize that SB1070 makes racial profiling and discrimination the law of the land in the state of the former maverick, John McCain.
While speaking about undocumented immigrants, the old senator once said, "We need to sit down as Americans and recognize these are God's children as well." It now appears McCain has joined the sorry conga line of immigrant bashers and become a big supporter of SB1070.
But let's not be too harsh on McCain's flip-flopping. He is after all fighting for his political life in a GOP primary against J.D. Hayworth, a conservative with extreme anti-immigrant views. And if in order to get Arizona Republicans to vote for him, the good senator has to betray God's children, so be it. Sad.
Yet, much to the chagrin of the menagerie of assorted proto-fascists, spineless politicians, white supremacists and professional hate-mongers that are salivating at the prospect of legal racial-profiling and discrimination against Latinos, SB1070 could be a blessing in disguise for immigrants.
For one, it has made clearer than ever that the foot-dragging on immigration reform by Congress and President Obama has to stop. Also,anger among immigrants and their supporters has injected a new militancy into the movement for immigrant rights.
Since Brewer signed the law, organizers have seen a huge rise in the numbers planning to join the nationwide demonstrations on July 29th -a designated day of activism for immigrant rights.Arizona has yet to realize that they don't have the full support of their own state much less the rest of the nation, there are politicians,police chiefs,and police officers among others who oppose SB1070 and find it detrimental to the work they're trying to do in catching violent criminals and drug dealers.It will be interesting to see how this plays out on July 29th,since without 100% backup from the people of Arizona the chances of passing SB1070 are slim to none.Other states are waiting to see what's going to happen and I'm sure after all is said and done those states will quietly go back to living their their lives the way they always did.If everybody just stops pushing this issue it will get resolved to everybody's satisfaction ,otherwise look what happened in Utah the mistake made there has now slowed the progress of any kind of reform.Oh and having NAZIS patrolling our borders won't help anyone or anything.

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indocumentado: papers please

The way I see it is any illegally ensconced person who can't find a fake driver's license (or a legal one if you pay a gas bill and have the receipt) or a SS card of a rest home person who is senile, should probably be deported or jailed.... he isn't very smart.

I really find it hard to think that an Arizona cop (half Hispanic) is going to send Maria Sanchez who is illegal back to Mexico, and leave her two legitimate kids and her Reagan pardoned husband here! He puts them on welfare immediately.

Ain't gonna work and not worth the effort. Those cops don't know Alien laws anyway. Where are they going to put all of them upon arrest. The Federales don't want them. The locals and the state do not want to feed, house and do medical care on them either.

We fought a very brutal, uncivil and bloody crippling war in the 1860s over states wanting to make their own national rules. (hundreds of thousands killed and maimed).
Next thing is we will have Rhode Island making a homosexual treaty with a homosexual group in the Lesbo Islands! Move between as you desire!

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Feds' latest answer to desert.....

smuggler violence: warning signs

"Danger - Public Warning
Travel not recommended
-- Active Drug and Human Smuggling Area
-- Visitors may encounter armed criminals and smuggling
vehicles traveling at high rates
-- Stay away from cash, clothing and
abandoned vehicles
-- If you see suspicious activity, do not confront!
Move away and call 911"

Yep, these are signs warning American citizens about illegal alien criminals. What is wrong with this picture?

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Cyclist: Warnings

No one lives there except that old dude with a hunting rifle going around looking for someone to shoot. He sure put his house in an odd area!

I fear what is next is that Mexico will begin to send the South and Central Americans they catch at their Southern border to their Northern border and turn them loose with their cargo if any! Stuff mainly from Colombia.
The elite who run Mexico want all that cash their people send back from the USA! Have you ever heard of a Pedro Gonzalez as President of Mexico? No he will be some Spaniard dude with 6 names, horse stables, with no Indian blood.

I guess they want their land back---you know Texas, New Mexico, Arizona.....
We should have annexed ERverything North Of Panama and South of Russia a 100 years ago.

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Old dude and his house...

is on land that he owns. As for Mexico and it's problems perhaps it stems back to the days of Hernan Cortes.

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Well he only owns it there because he bought it or inherited it there.
I wouldn't live there just to be a problem!
Like buying a home in Antarctica!

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You know CHR$

Some people would rather not live in a city and put up with stuff like banning gas carts. I suspect you can relate to that.

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I may die sometime but I'm not moving.

It is definitely cheaper to buy a stair lift than to move! Saw it on TV!

How do the conservatives, TEAS, and Libertarians, and all other schisms of the republicans feel about banning golf cars of gas, asking DC for millions for schools and cops, imprisoning crooked local judges and DAs, firing female lawyers who wear clothes too tight to court and riding in cars backwards, bailing out some of these (90) local GA banks who have a bunch of foreclosures and half-finished houses and strip centers, in order to save the developers and bank directors, laying off cops and firemen and aids, meeting city budgets or selling bonds and passing SPLOSTS, building more fire departments here, bubbling the swimming hole in PTC, paying off the Tennis Center with PTC taxes---not hotel taxes, extending the airport runway for my corporate jet, bypassing Fayetteville, building a new police station off of a moldy dump, devaluing PTC homes to what they can be sold for, and etc.

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Well then CHR$....

if you are a candidate for a stair lift thingy then you can't be far from a Hoveround. Just think you can take that favorite mutt of yours for a walk using that PTC approved 6 foot leash. Just make sure that wheeled contraption is not gas powered. Because we all know that the gas model can quickly be serviced with gas while your poor neighbor has to wait for his battery powered wheel chair to charge.

Oh, Oh, Oh, and the Hoveround can be purchased with little or no money from you. We'll just let Medicare pay for it.

...riding cars backwards... You should have said "riding cars backwards and getting caught by the local constable".

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Think I'd rather crawl!

You didn't answer a single question. You are Like DM or Sherrod!

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You didn't answer a single question. You are Like DM or Sherrod!

You didn't do your homework assignment. So I guess we're even.

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cyclist: overrunning the comment space?

Have you noticed lately that the only way to keep up with the reading on here, due to a lot of one line or one word comments, is to go directly to the click under the second more comments area.
One can read it all there at least for a day or two.

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Yes CHR$ I have noticed that.

It's particularly bad if the thread is already into a second page.

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If one has to find a comment on the page four of more comments

.....then you have to scroll thru all of page one to the bottom and then find page four and then scroll again down to where you left off! Unless I don't understand human nature that won't happen often!

Like I said before many working people anymore spend about one-half their time fooling around on a computer "trying" to get to work!

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Cyclist, one thing wrong with the picture

is that it assumes you can read and comprehend.

Seriously, the border needs to be secured, I have always been in favor of that. The problem is at the border, the solution should be at the border also (well, duhh!). Why the federal government has failed the border states so severely for so long regarding their security is beyond my limited comprehension. We don't have to go to Afghanistan or Iraq to find terrorists, there are plenty of them at and within our borders, they are the lawless thugs, and there is plenty of terror associated with them.

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Don't forget the terrorists on Wall Street and in banks-----they caused a serious recession ruining millions! About 2 of them went to jail, the rest took hundreds of millions and skedaddled!

I suppose it is the same problem: how and what to do with 30 million illegals or 10 million crooks.

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Why worry CHR$

The liberals want to give out some sort of amnesty. You know pay a fine, learn English and finally re-register to stand in a “new” line - eyes rolling. The same can be done to those "crooks". Why the liberals can tax them, make them vote for other Democrats and then make them register. See problem solved.

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Arizona Law

That's a whole lot blather when you have obviously never read the law itself and seem to rely on the lib hysteria for "facts" because you state right away that it gives the police the right to question a person's immigration status any time they feel like, and it specifically does not. Whether one feels like that might be the end result of this legislation or not is an opinion; the law itself isn't.

As far as this leading to "racial profiling," only a real idiot thinks that cops and everyone on up the food chain don't already engage in racial, cultural and geographical profiling to begin with. When some white boy teenager shows up late at night on Moreland Avenue, cops seems to always classify this person as a dope buyer and want to know what he is doing. When there is a group of black people hanging out on a street corner in the extremely high crime zone near Turner Stadium, these people are thought of and treated like gang members and asked the same thing as the white dude trying to buy dope on Moreland. That's reality.

The AZ law wouldn't be necessary if the feeble feds had done their duties to begin with, yet the Dems and Repubs are too cowardly to tackle the issue because no matter what, some large groups will be angry. They lack the spine to address the problem and make a reasonable compromise. Since the feds have decided their own laws are unenforceable and anything goes, states are going to step in and fill the vacuum. If the AZ law survives the court challenge, maybe that will finally compel the elected bums to stick their necks out and attempt to solve the issue.

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You know NUK

I just hope that "reasonable compromise" doesn’t turn out to be a sellout of this nation’s sovereignty.

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NUK: profiling

Of course we profile! FBI always has.
You first say it won't happen due to the law, then you say it happens all of the time! Caught your own-self!

It takes a pretty dumb cop not to come up with a reason to ask for Identification!

The real problem though is the states can't deal with State Department problems!
Are the companies who hire Hispanics going to call the local cops to come arrest them when they apply but have fake id or none? Of course not and the locals wouldn't come anyway.

What they are doing is using a scare tactic.

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Distinction Bonkers

The LAW doesn't give police the right to racially profile, though in this case, we aren't even talking about a "racial group" to begin with.

Yes, profiling of may kinds already happens, some of which is illegal but very difficult to prove. What the law doesn't give the police the "right" to do is question anyone at any time solely on the basis of whether they are here legally or not.

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I'm a legal citizen of the U.S. and......

I'm a legal American citizen and I must show my ID when:

1. Pulled over by the police.
2. Making purchases on my department store credit card.
3. When I show up for a doctor's appointment.
4. When filling out a credit card or loan application.
5. When applying for or renewing a driver's license or passport.
6. When applying for any kind of insurance.
7. When filling out college applications.
8. When donating blood.
9. When obtaining certain prescription drugs.
10. When making some debit purchases, especially if I'm out of state.
11. When collecting a boarding pass for airline or train travel.

I'm sure there are more instances, but the point is that we citizens of the USA are required to prove who we are nearly every day!

Why should people in this country illegally, be exempt!!!!!

Why shouldn't we guard our borders as closely as every other country in the world does?

Go ARIZONA !!!- Doing the job that the feds won't do!

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Great cut and paste there illegal

I am new here but not new to posting.. Don't you usually give credit to others that actually wrote the articles?

Your whole post was C&P from other 3 or 4 other stories..

But then again you take short cuts with our laws why expect anything different here?

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Sounds a bit like most "professional" news organizations doesn't it?

BTW, nothing is illegal about this unless the stories lifted were copyrighted.

If you have links to those "3 or 4 other stories", your charges would me more creditable.

Thanks for the post.

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and here they are.. PTC

1. Statement..

Guilty until proven innocent. Or more to the point: illegal until proven innocent.
That's what the racist immigration law signed by Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer last Friday does to the people of that state.

Story

http://assets.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/04/29/2010-04-29_new_immigra...

2. Statement..

But let's not be too harsh on McCain's flip-flopping. He is after all fighting for his political life in a GOP primary against J.D. Hayworth, a conservative with extreme anti-immigrant views. And if in order to get Arizona Republicans to vote for him, the good senator has to betray God's children, so be it. Sad.

Story..

http://free-times.com/index.php?cat=1992912064017974&ShowArticle_ID=1101...

Most are all from the same source story but at three different takes..

Don't much care about C&P stuff but at least give credit where credit is due.

Sounds like Indoco makes a habit of taking what is not his.

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For those of you that think

For those of you that think that there’s nothing wrong with this law, and that if ‘you have nothing to hide, then you shouldn’t worry about it, you’re missing the real reason why people are against this. Yes, there are many good cops out there, who won’t abuse this law and execute it in an appropriate and respectful manner, but they are far outweighed by the kind of cops that are something more like Sheriff Arpaio, who do in fact pull over people with the only probable cause being because they look Mexican. My friend was detained at the border for almost 24 hours and treated unfairly (they used words like “beaner” when referring to him on their walkie talkies). The funny thing is he was 0% Mexican! He was Filipino, but I guess the brown skin was enough to spark the fires of racism. I also had another friend whose house was literally broken into by the cops because he was having a party and got a noise complaint. He obviously didn’t hear the cops knocking because of the music, but (and this is all speculation here) since most of the people in plain sight through the window were Mexican and it was in an area that was known to house a lot of illegals, the cops took it upon themselves to literally kick down his door as if they were going after some fugitive trying to escape. They were actually caught by his security system while doing it (adt alarm cop break in pics). So yes, there a lot of good cops out there, and if they were the majority of the police force, this law would be more palatable, but the reality is they aren’t the majority, and that’s the true reason why people are scared of this law.

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Majority is not against it

in fact a majority of Americans INCLUDING legal Mexican immigrants are for the law.

You are simply ranting without facts.

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The "majority" and their thoughts has nothing to do with it..

We are not a "majority rule country". We are a Constitutional Republic, and for that I'm thankful.

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A Question..

Actually the Majority has a lot to do with it. Take the Universal Healthcare argument for an example most of America was against it but the Politicians did it anyway. Are you saying this was the proper action our Government should have taken?

btw- my post was to correct the other poster comment of how a Majority of Americans are against SB 1070. They were in-correct.

Remember we are a Republic yes but a "Representative Republic". If the people we elect no longer seem to represent us then what do you suggest?

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