I want a Divorce

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DIVORCE AGREEMENT

Dear American liberals, leftists, social progressives, socialists, Marxists and Obama supporters, et al:

We have stuck together since the late 1950's for the sake of the kids, but the whole of this latest election process has made me realize that I want a divorce.... I know we tolerated each other for many years for the sake of future generations, but sadly, this relationship has clearly run its course.

Our two ideological sides of America cannot and will not ever agree on what is right for us all, so let's just end it on friendly terms. We can smile and chalk it up to irreconcilable differences and go our own way.

Here is a model separation agreement:

Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by landmass each taking a similar portion. That will be the difficult part, but I am sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that, it should be relatively easy! Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both sides have such distinct and disparate tastes.

We don't like redistributive taxes so you can keep them. You are welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU. Since you hate guns and war, we'll take our firearms, the cops, the NRA and the military. We'll take the nasty, smelly oil industry and you can go with wind, solar and biodiesel. You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore and Rosie O'Donnell (You are, however, responsible for finding a bio-diesel vehicle big enough to move all three of them).

We'll keep capitalism, greedy corporations, pharmaceutical companies, Wal-Mart and Wall Street. You can have your beloved lifelong welfare dwellers, food stamps, homeless, homeboys, hippies, druggies and illegal aliens. We'll keep the hot Alaskan hockey moms, greedy CEO's and rednecks. We'll keep the Bibles and give you NBC andHollywood .

You can make nice with Iran and Palestine and we'll retain the right to invade and hammer places that threaten us. You can have the peaceniks and war protesters. When our allies or our way of life are under assault, we'll help provide them security.

We'll keep our Judeo-Christian values.. You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism, political correctness and Shirley McClain. You can also have the U.N.. but we will no longer be paying the bill.

We'll keep the SUV's, pickup trucks and oversized luxury cars. You can take every Subaru station wagon and Volvo (now owed by the Chinese) you can find.

You can give everyone healthcare if you can find any practicing doctors. We'll continue to believe healthcare is a luxury and not a right. We'll keep The Battle Hymn of the Republic and the National Anthem. I'm sure you'll be happy to substitute Imagine, I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing, Kum Ba Ya or We Are the World.

We'll practice trickle down economics and you can continue to give trickle up poverty your best shot.

Since it often so offends you, we'll keep our history, our name and our flag.

Would you agree to this? If so, please pass it along to other like minded liberal and conservative patriots and if you do not agree, just hit delete. In the spirit of friendly parting, I'll bet you anything which one of us will need whose help in 15 years.

Sincerely,
John J. Wall
Law Student and an American

P. S. Also, please take Ted Turner, Sean Penn,Martin Sheen, Barbara Streisand, & Jane Fondawith you.

P. S. S. And you won't have to press 1 for English when you call our Country.

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Gee, SL

I thought this was going to be about Tipper and Al. silly me :-)

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Wedge, Poor Al, spent too

Wedge, Poor Al, spent too much time on the road selling global warming while the temperture at home cooled.

A similar story can be told by most traveling pitch men.

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Gort, I am truly sad to see a married couple fail

especially with so much history. I agree with your assessment. The only somewhat humorous thought in this is to wonder who will get the internet?

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Wedge, Poor Al, probably

Wedge, Poor Al, probably won’t need the internet for a while and I’m sure he won’t mind if the rest of us use it while he is busy settling his personal affairs.

A man getting divorced at his age usually enters into a state of mild euphoria, followed by a purchase of a red Ferrari, a desperate attempt to make that comb-over work for him, and a Herculean effort to get the old cow catcher behind his belt buckle where it belongs. Once that is mastered, (ahem,) he will begin to chase women he shouldn’t be chasing, followed by catching a woman that should never have been caught. A little more time will pass and he will realize it was he that got bagged. Papers will be served, a heard of lawyers will rake him over the coals, and he will be left alone again, an angry and bitter man.

To strike back at the world he will most likely join the Tea Party, register to vote Republican, become pen pals with S. Lindey, and start to verbally abuse women on some internet forum like Joe Kawfi does here on ‘The Citizen.’ Not a very appealing prospect for his future, is it?

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Gort, thanks

I am sure that you will be correct on the first half-probably not on the second. I can picture you in my mind as I remember you (I think it was you) at the coffee. Good sense of humor for a lib. Have a good weekend

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You too Wedge, see you in the

You too Wedge, see you in the funny papers.

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double posting

It got hung up in a weird way

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Wedge & Al & tipper

or better yet, how do you divide carbon footprints?

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AtHomeGym, in a rare display

AtHomeGym, in a rare display of corporate kindness BP has agreed to distribute the carbon footprint for the Gore's. Go to BP’s corporate website, they have a webcam of their carbon footprint distribution fountain. If you don't get enough by just watching it, you can drive to the gulf shores and pick up as much as you want off the beach.

The generosity displayed by BP makes you want to break into a repetitious chorus of “Drill Baby Drill” don’t it?

BP was so pleased with the conservative response to the carbon footprint distribution program, they have launched a $50 million dollar add campaign to keep you folks singing!

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I've got a better idea

Why don't y'all move to Costa Rica with Rush? You could take over the country and Mr. Wall could use his legal expertise writing justifications for torturing poor people. A win-win for everybody! You could get John Galt to build you a railroad.

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Nah JC

There are more of us then there are of you.. So Costa Rica and Haiti are all yours...

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Oh thanks lot SL

For giving us Haiti. One of those places where the winner gets a week vacation and the loser gets two weeks.

I'm assuming there is no argument the we get California and especially San Francisco? With all the illegals and the gays, our gardens will be nicer and our houses will be decorated better.

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It's only fair JC

California is lost already.. Please take Washington DC will ya?

Thanks.. ;-)

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Of course we get DC

But you don't get a pick to offset it. It's not a state anyway. We also get the Left Coast: California, Oregon, Washington; and the Liberal Northeast: Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont, New York, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New Jersey, Delaware. And it goes without saying that we get the unionized states, you wouldn't want them anyway, so we get Hawaii, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and of course the second most unionized state in the Union: Alaska. Y'all can keep Sarah. No use arguing that she is yours. That's a foregone conclusion, right? You Betcha!

Now about those redistributive taxes you hate so much. John Wall said we can keep them so we'll take them. Since our unionized states, Left Coast and Liberal Northeast pay way more in taxes than they get back from the Federales, I checked with the Tax Foundation, some of your guys, to see which states were getting back more per dollar than they were paying. We get the welfare states: Alabama ($1.66), Alaska ($1.84), Arizona ($1.19), Arkansas ($1.41), Georgia($1.01), Idaho ($1.21), Indiana ($1.05), Iowa ($1.10), Kansas ($1.12), Kentucky ($1.51), Louisiana ($1.78), Maryland ($1.30), Mississippi ($2.02), Missouri ($1.32), Montana ($1.47), Nebraska ($1.10), New Mexico ($2.03), North Carolina ($1.08), North Dakota ($1.68), Ohio ($1.05), Oklahoma (1.36), Pennsylvania ($1.07), South Carolina ($1.35), South Dakota ($1.53), Tennessee ($1.27), Utah ($1.07), Virginia ($1.51), West Virginia ($1.76), Wyoming ($1.11).

Now that we've accepted all of your problem states, we can divide up the rest between us. That leaves Florida, Texas, Colorado, Nevada, Wisconsin, and Minnesota.

I propose we agree right off that you get Texas and since Florida is just infested with illegals and Social Security recipients, we'll take Florida in trade. Between Minnesota and Wisconsin there surely is no question that we get the bastion of liberalism so we'll take Minnesota.

We've got it pretty well divided up now except for Colorado and Nevada. I really like skiing in Colorado. Can we have Colorado and you take Nevada if we agree that we'll take Harry Reid, too?

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Nobody wants Illinois

And I guess there is enough Alaska for everyone.

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jevank we have to leave them some resources

since they have pretty much cut off all of the Midwest and Northeast to oil or coal exploration they will need a source of energy until they get that windmill deal worked out with T Boone. But of course that won't last long just like Anwar they will soon cut off the spigot there as well.

I expect our biggest oil export will go to the NUSA.. That is until they run out of money which I expect will be danged quick..

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S.Lindsey, what are you still

S.Lindsey, what are you still doing in town? I thought you would be at the Limbaugh-Rogers wedding and reception? The bride is supposed to be a real beauty. You don’t want to miss the bride throwing the wedding bouquet, and feeding Rush the wedding cake do you? You better hurry to the airport buddy.

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Illinois Jevank?

Illinois is ours by default. It has been ever since Daley stole the election for Kennedy.

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Jeff:

I thought $2 bills (or was it fives) given to coal miners near the polls bought West Virginia for Kennedy!

I also recall a friend of mine asking me one day who I was going to vote for once and I said I had not decided yet. He said, I'm voting for Jimmy Carter and I said who is that? He said that Carter has a real cool straight-shooting brother and a mean Mama.

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You win some, you lose some, JeffC

If that's the case, you should count do a recount on Texas.

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Looks almost right JC

but the issue here is a pretty equal split... You see we will just end all of the entitlement programs and all the freeloaders will go to your side of the Country the NUSA.. The SUSA will take the workers and those that want to live in freedom..

We won't need lawyers either so you can have them. Criminals won't be coddled here so prisons won't be needed. All of our citizens will be armed and have an absolute RIGHT to protect life and PROPERTY. Criminals captured alive will have a choice leave or be hung.

Of course Unions are yours as well..

You will be able to trade with us.. Gold only though we won't take credit.

Since we will have the Military we will take care of Mexico.. We will place units on the border just like Mexico no matter what their President says.

One American is killed or kidnapped by one of their cartels.. well a daisy cutter should handle that issue.

I think we have an agreement.. Let's get the Lawyers (the last time WE will need them) and draw up the papers..

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Now we've got a problem SL

How do you think we'll be able to trade with you in gold after the NUSA government confiscates it all? Your position now is that y'all won't do business with any of our private citizens?

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JeffC - I know you think you are making a clever point

by saying you will take all of the states that get back more in federal aid than they pay in taxes, but isn't that the real point of all this? Just the fact that you can find that information so easily should infuriate you. The money they are getting didnt come from nowhere, other people had to pay for those programs in taxes. You think you're getting a deal but once the country was split up, the flow of money to those places would dry up, and then you'd be stuck with all the moochers but no one to mooch off of. And even if, after realizing I'm right decided to make us keep those states, we would certainly change the entitlement system to a model they ( the ones getting so many undeserved benefits) would not like and they would promptly move to your half of the country, so they can go right back to doing what they were doing before, absolutely nothing. Of course you would take them in, since ridiculous, unfettered immigration is the only reason the Democrats retain any relevancy in the world at all. Its just a fundamental difference in view about the nature of self-sufficiency, responsibility and where wealth comes from.

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California is lost.....

And just think we (Californians) had Nixon, Reagan, a guy named B-1 Bob and Proposition 13 (tax payers revolt).

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Aw Cyclist

California is not lost. Instead, think of it as a great place for those people who like it to live, so that they don't live near you.

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Jeffc

Most of your references are either patently false or misleading at best. This is no different.

Haven't even read the book, have you Jeffc? John Galt did not built rairoads, he merely refused to be a victim/slave to the socialists.

Reference: Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand

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C'mon MajorMike

It was a joke. In fact, I've read it twice. James and Dagny ran the railroad but if I said you could get James to build you a railroad, how many people would catch the reference? I even know who John Galt was.

I've read The Fountainhead, too.

The next time I make what you consider a patently false reference, you call me on it and if I can't justify it, I'll admit you were right about it. Deal? Surely you're not referring to Republican lawyers writing legal justifications for torture or Rush saying he was going to move too Costa Rica. Both are documented facts.

BTW: You know that the letter from John Wall is a fake, right? The first version was written during the Clinton administration by a Republican blogger that worked for the RNC and circulated under the title "From the Red States".

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Ok Jeffc

Ok Jeffc - deal. It will not be a long post but I will nail you when I catch you next time. And no, I did not realize that the letter was a fake. That is unsettling. I have found that there is little difference between the two parties today except for whos in power at the moment. Both entities will rob you blind in the name of their own superior morality when in truth they are buying votes with our money.

I don't listen to Limbaugh.

Our country now has far too many James Taggarts and not enough Eddie Willers. We probably have more John Galts than we realize - those talented men and women who love our country enough to not contribute to it's fall.

BTW - If torturing a terrorist saves American lives, I don't care about justifications. As the old expression goes "fair is when I bring all my people home".

P.S.: Try "We The Living".

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We The Living

I'm looking forward to our deal and thanks for the 'We the Living" recommendation. I did not know about that one. Frankly, I'm chagrined.

I read 1984 in high school. I was talking about it to my professor of political economics one day (yes, private school) and he pulled a copy of Anthem out of his desk drawer and gave it to me.

Whoa.

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John J Wall

You may be an American - but you'd better do a bit more studying law and American history as it relates to human/civil rights . .before you take the bar.

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Davids mom, the letter is

Davids mom, the letter is from the land of make believe, a cyber land known far and wide as “Conservapedia.”

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Jeff/Gort

What a joy to wake up to sunshine and humorous banter!! Have a good day!

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DIVORCE AGREEMENT

From one GDI to another, couldn't agree more with most of the terms of your “DIVORCE AGREEMENT”. I love my Chevy truck, but love my Honda Accord too. We can't agree on every issue. Ain't it great to be a citizen of the U.S. where we don't have to agree on everything, but can still be “united” ! Hard to believe your message comes from the mind of a “student”, unless you're a Boomer back in school. ! Been there, done that too !

P.S.: If you didn't press 1 for English, you're welcome for a very brief and peaceful visit. But if you don't learn the language and pay taxes too, go back where you came from !

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No speakee english?

how about those braves players who make big bucks and can't speak English? Oh, yeah, probably here legally, but still no effort to learn our language. French pitcher (Kawakami) who has to have a hired full-time intrepreter (incidentally, he's 0-8 this yr) and a Shortstop (Escobar) who's played in the USA for 4yrs and can't speak the language. Now that's real dedication, motivation & individual effort for ya',

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GYM

Speaking English and understanding our heritage is two much different things!
It is embarrassing to speak but not be understood. I can read Spanish but can not converse in it due to speed and heritage!
I can't even talk with hip-hoppers and understand them.

Baseeaball bin a verry gude tuh me!

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Foreign Language/slickharry

I guess there are citizens in Japan who ridicule Americans who play sports in their country - because they don't speak Japanese; or citizens in Italy who ridicule Americans who play sports in their country/on their teams - because they don't speak Italian. I happen to know that more than just a few of the Spanish speaking players on our American teams do speak passable English - but don't feel comfortable speaking in public - because of the rude ridicule. Sad. Thanks for sharing slickharry.

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Divorce

Lindsey/Wall - I could not have said it better myself. This is an excellent summation of where the US stands today. If only we could make this happen!!!!

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Dear fellow patriots, This is

Dear fellow patriots,
This is your best friend, an atheist, liberal, feminist, higher education loving, public transit user, pro-choice American. Yes, born and raised in the great U.S of A. I just wanted to let you know that I would love nothing more than this divorce to go through, but remind you that you can keep your abstinence sex-ed programs, teen pregnancy, hilarious mispronunciations of common English words (as well as the hatred of those who don't perfectly speak your language), belief in a book 2000 years old (although my professors tend to switch books every semester), and if it's possible could we perhaps put a bubble over your territory so we don't have to inhale the ever increasing emissions from your fantastic luxury cars, hummers, and other vehicles surely making up for a void somewhere in your life? Please, keep your capitalism and selfish ideals, as your doctrines really get in the way for those of us who have regard for the rest of the world. I apologize that the life you're able to live because of your parent's well paying jobs has really scorned you into detesting those that are less endowed. Those of us paying for college ourselves, especially those planning to go into public service fields (like it or not, YOU are part of the public) really appreciate the minimal help we get from the government, so please be sure to let us keep this in our colony. We also demand the art museums, animal shelters, and public parks. It would be great if you could take Ann Coulter, too. She's hilarious, but in the wrong way. We'll also take culture. You can keep the Polo outlets.

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yawn

yawn

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Wedge & yawn

10-4 on the yawm--I'm just choked up with the altruism.

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Spoken like a true airhead 666

Safe behind that College bubble not having to produce anything but a paper or two every now and then.

Ahh the idiocy of youth which blossoms into true Progressive lunacy.

A classic case.. thanks.

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duplicate post

......grrrrrrrr...

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Why yes.. Yes it was

Don't cha just hate'em..?

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taxes666

Perhaps you should just find a country that does not value private ownership or capitalism. I would suggest the Soviet Union; however, that idea failed a few years back. I did hear that Hugo Chavez is looking for a few good chumps.

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Cyclist, we already have a

Cyclist, we already have a county, the USA ;-)

Besides, the notion that people don’t value private ownership or the benefits of capitalism is just a conservative talking point. I value these things and when you tell "people like me," that I don't, it demonstrates to me how full of crap that kind or rhetoric is.

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Well it is a broad brush

but generally it fits.. I hardly ever hear of a Liberal fighting for Capitalism.. but I know there are exceptions..

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2009/09/06/michael-moore-film...

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S.Lindsey, you sent me a link

S.Lindsey, you sent me a link about Michael Moore? Is this the same Michael Moore that took $50K of his personal fortune and started an independent film company? By definition, doesn’t that make him a capitalist?

You may not like the product but his longevity does suggest he is filling a niche in the marketplace, doesn't it?

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Gort that was exactly my point..

A liberal/Progressive that rails against Capitalism while making money as a Capitalist..

Hypocrisy at it's finest... and Liberal ideology at work..

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S.Lindsey, those capitalist

S.Lindsey, those capitalist are clever people. Some say they play both sides of the fence and some pretend they don't. I bet Fox News, and the radio heads, provide more free advertising than Moore could ever dream of paying for on his own. Fox News, and the radio heads, get a dragon to flay, so everybody wins!

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but here is the rub, though Gort

In the minds of many liberals, the government's (or the "people's)whims and desires trump private ownership. To wit, if a shopping center covets your land and can convince a local government to exercise eminent domain, they can. If the hare-footed turtle (imaginary)lives on your land, you may not be able to use it as you see fit. Liberals are also okay with the statement eminating from the President "Now, what we’re doing -- I want to be clear, we’re not trying to push financial reform because we begrudge success that's fairly earned. I mean, I do think at a certain point you’ve made enough money." Who gets to decide what is "fairly earned"? Who decides that you have made "enough money" ? Yes, I think that the rhetoric is overly done in all quarters, but when the national debt surpasses the GDP of the country and we laud a jobs report that has 95% of the job creation in the governmental sector - we have to conclude that we value governmental enterprise more than private enterprise.

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Eminent domain and Liberals

I have not met a liberal who agreed with the 2005 Supreme Court's decision that non-blighted property can be taken by a private developer.

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look to the northern cities

They are filled with those types of liberals

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Wait a minute!

That eminent domain ruling was decided by the Bush-Gore Supreme Court.

And all of a sudden the liberals did it???

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What is the Bush - Gore Supreme Court?

Is that something new? I do believe the wacky liberals like Stevens and the hyphenated woman led the liberal charge on the taking of property for shadow developers. BTW, you know what that property is doing now? How about the Kelo house? Good job Supremes. Real productive.

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Finish the quote, Wedge

You've taken it somewhat out of context;

"We’re not, we’re not trying to push financial reform because we begrudge success that’s fairly earned. I mean, I do think at a certain point you’ve made enough money. But, you know, part of the American way is, you know, you can just keep on making it if you’re providing a good product or providing good service. We don’t want people to stop, ah, fulfilling the core responsibilities of the financial system to help grow our economy."

Probably, his teleprompter musta've been broken.

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Jeff C, finishing the quote

does not change the import of the statement "I do think at a certain point you've made enough money..." But let's look at our history, the Federal government certainly has felt that way in the past. The income tax has been collected since 1913. The top income bracket has been taxed as high as 94% and remained above 50% until 1982. If the government has seen fit to tax anybody at a rate of 94%-it has made into law the concept that "you have made enough money". The continuation of his comment highlights another aspect of classism. He can begrudge earnings from manufacturing/Sales/and Services-he admits that making money is at least part of the American way. His omission of investment income is interesting, is it an oversight or are those considered ill gotten gains?

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The Wedge, not meaning to rub

The Wedge, not meaning to rub you the wrong way but I think it takes a little bit more than a whim to trump private property rights. Eminent Domain requires both due process and just compensation, does it not?

I don’t know what you got against the “hare-footed imaginary turtles,” but I’m guessing in the whole US there is no place that allows one to do ‘anything’ they want with their property. Why is the protection of an endangered species in particular, so repulsive to you?

You ask “Who decides when you have made enough money?” If you’re an out of work fisherman from the Gulf, then BP is telling you how much money is enough. If you’re a business officer, manager, or a member of a board of directors you make those decisions for your employees. The fed, state, and local governments restrict the maximum amount of money government employees are allowed to make? Even if you are the owner of your own business, if you plunder your business account for the sake of your personal account, you may risk killing the goose that lays the golden eggs. These decisions get made every day, are they not?

If you worry we run the risk of running out of millionaires perhaps we can have them added to the “endangered species list” so they will be protected : - )

That brings us to the national debt. IMHO, it is too high for comfort however the only thing that could be worst is standing by, doing nothing, and watching the economy completely collapse.

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Gort,
Gort wrote:

Why is the protection of an endangered species in particular, so repulsive to you?

You ask “Who decides when you have made enough money?” (snip)

The repulsive statement annoys me. My illustration is to show that it is a general liberal trait to value the government's desires. The endangered species act has been a generally good law, but has also been used as a bludgeon to stop legitimate uses of land in the West. In a country that values the separation of powers and even has something called a 10th amendment-how is it possible that the Federal government owns 84.5% of Nevada, 69.1% of Alaska, 57.4% of Utah, 53.1% of Oregon, etc?
And I stated this earlier. When you have an income tax rate that has hit 94% and has been over 70% for much of its existence, then the government has decided when you have made enough.

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The Wedge, okay, I agree to

The Wedge, okay, I agree to drop the word ‘repulsive’ and change my question to “What is your objection to the endangered species act?”

I accept part of your reply that, “The endangered species act has been a generally good law, but I have a little problem accepting the words “used as a bludgeon to stop.” It implies that no mining, drilling, or timbering in the west is allowed and we both know that is not a true.

In all instances when a project has been denied, has any mining, drilling, or timber company ever been denied their day in court? Do mining, drilling, and timber industries have lobbyist in Washington DC with direct access to our elected officials? That’s more than what I got, how about you. Do you have someone on K Street looking out for you?

The separation of powers may be the law of the land but I hardly see it as something we value or appreciate. The house is resentful of the congress, the congress is indifferent to the house, the house and congress are jealous of the power of the executive branch, the executive branch wants to pack the court, the court is accused of legislating from the bench, the states are jealous of one another, all the states resent the power of the fed. To top it off the electorate is polarized and everyone is pointing the finger at someone else. Let’s face it, living in a democratic republic is hard work.

I would guess that reason the fed owns so much land in the western states has more to do with how those territories were brought into the US. Alaska was simply a purchase. Our claim to the Oregon territories goes back to Louis and Clark, the rest we took from Spain, Mexico,and the Indian tribes.

Now we have a maximum income tax rate of 35%? Even when the max rate was 90%, the tax loopholes available allowed most to escape paying those higher rates and some even managed to escape paying any taxes at all. The income tax rate needs to be somewhere between 0 and 100%. What do you propose?

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The problem here is...

...the Environmentalist tie up businesses for years all to save the "spotted finger minnow" that after all the hoopla is not disturbed or endangered..

Take the Alaskan pipeline as a prime example.. Every study.. every Environmentalist said the Moose would just about become an extinct species..
The real results Moose actually liked the warmth from the pipeline and decided to breed like crazy.. Who woulda figured? Well just about anybody with a shred of common sense.

Remember Al Gore's "endangered" Polar Bears.. turns out he was wrong as well.. again who woulda figured..?

Oh let's don't forget that Californian home owners are forbidden from cleaning their land free of scrub brush to protect a "frog" and the predictable results are homes going up in flames and generally make the fires much worse..

btw.. your statement on tax rates.. 0-100% is ludicrous. Who do propose should pay "0%" and who should pay the 100%? The FED is buying up oil rich land to prevent it from being used.. and as a corridor for illegals.

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S.Lindsey, you say

S.Lindsey, you say “Environmentalist tie up businesses for years” and I have to ask, “Are you saying there is no such thing is a legitimate environmental concern?”

Oil was discovered in Prudhoe Bay in 1968, and the Alaska Pipeline was completed in 1977. Nine years. Didn’t it take longer to build the four lane highway from Newnan to Peachtree City?

I’ve already bashed Al Gore twice on this thread so I give him a pass.

The polar bears are another story. Can you tell me, about how many mining, drilling, or timber projects have actually been held up because of concern for the polar bears?

You’re telling me all 36 million people in California aren’t allowed to clean the brush out of their yard and frogs are setting fire to their homes. You got me again buddy, I haven’t heard about that one yet.

That brings us to the tax rates. The Wedge and I were discussing maximum tax rates. I gave him a scale from 0-100 and asked him to choose what he thought the maximum tax rate should be.

But I like your idea better. I get to choose! Okay, The Wedge and I pay 0% and S.Lindsey and Joe Kawfi pay 100%. Everyone else, just pay what you think is fair.

“The FED is buying up oil rich land to prevent it from being used….” I wonder who is selling it to them? Why it must be privately owed property? Are you telling us tonight people shouldn’t be allowed to sell their land as they please?

I wonder why the oil companies don’t buy it. Maybe they figure why buy the cow, when they can get the milk for free! They're already licking their chops for 2012, eh?

“The FED is buying up oil rich land,....as a corridor for illegals.” Folks, we are now at warp speed, there is a sign post up ahead, and we have just entered the twilight zone.

(You know, I can always tell when you go off your medicine. :-)

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Gort let me just say this

Pull up the map of Government land grabs.. Print it

Then pull up the map of supposed animal migration routes proposed by the Conservation Society.. Print it

Then pull up the map on Illegal immigration routes from Mexico.. Print it..

Overlay all three.. They match almost perfectly.. Coincidence? Maybe... I don't think so..

btw.. on the pipeline issue read a liitle history..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Pipeline

Note sall the lawsuits and challenges and courts and yada..yada...yada.

Years of delays.. How much sooner could oil have been flowing without all the crap filed by those Conservation groups?

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S.Lindsey, okay, because you

S.Lindsey, okay, because you asked, I’ll give it a try. Let’s see, “land grab, animal migration routes, and illegal immigration routes,” Hum, that’s don’t look right! Alright let me try, “animal migration routes, land grab, and illegal immigration routes.” Darn, that doesn’t work either. Let me try one more time, illegal immigration routes, animal migration routes, and land grab. Nope,… sorry S.Lindey, no matter how many times I do it, it still comes out, “Folks we just went into warp speed, there is a sign post up ahead, and we have just entered the twilight zone.”

BTW, I’m aware of the Alaskan Pipeline’s history. It might never have been built if it wasn’t for the Arab Oil Embargo of ’73. Once the political will was established all objections to the pipeline were set aside and the project was authorized. It never did make the country self sufficient in oil but it was sure was good deal for the “Alaska Permanent Fund.” If the pipeline was built sooner, the Exxon Valdez, or something similar, would have just happened a few years earlier.

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Maybe tomorrow..

Since you seem incapable of doing it.. Probably didn't try.. I will get you the links.. Typical Liberals got to do everything for them...

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S.Lindsey, send me a link to

S.Lindsey, send me a link to the appropriation bill that authorized the “FED to buy up all that oil rich land…as a corridor for illegals.” I would sure like to read that. Thanks buddy.

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You do seem to have a reading issue gort

because that's not what I said.. but then again I would expect a liberal to get it wrong...But go ahead and put words in my mouth.. I will send them anyway.

Here’s the map of the US divided up into core areas (red), buffer zones (yellow) and transition zones (black) that appeared circa 1996…The core areas (biosphere reserve concept) are areas of the country set aside for nature and access limited to just the approved “experts”. The buffer areas is where sustainable development will occur including agriculture, forestry, water, etc. The people (citizens of the US) are to live, work and play in the transition zones…In other words, forced migration from the country and rural America BACK to the cities! KEEP IN MIND THAT THE WORK OF THE WILDLANDS PROJECT (renamed to the WILDLANDS NETWORK) WAS DONE PRIMARILY BY TWO ACADEMICS (both Engles and Marx were academics and look at what their academic “work” managed to accomplish for the world-something to think about);

Legislative Committee on Public Lands, Nevada, Exhibit H by Les Thrasher, March 25, 2004 and “Explanation of the Biodiversity Treaty and the Wildlands Project” by Michael S. Coffman, PhD for Property Rights.org, September 13, 2003
http://www.leg.state.nv.us/72nd/Interim/StatCom/Wilderness/exhibits/1059...

Wildlands Network (Formerly the Wildlands Project), “Rewilding and Biodiversity: Complimentary Goals for Continental Conservation,” by Michael Soule and Reed Noss, Wild Earth, Fall 1998
http://academic.evergreen.edu/curricular/MES/rewilding.pdf

Simulated Reserve and Corridor System to Protect Biodiversity Map, As Mandated by the Convention on Biological Diversity, The Wildlands Project, UN and US Man and Biosphere Program, and Various UN and US Heritage Programs and NAFTA
http://www.mtmultipleuse.org/wilderness/wildlands_map.htm

Continental MegaLinkages, Reconnecting North America for Wildlife, The Wildlands Project – Note: These “MegaLinkages” will be depicted as the red connecting lines between the biosphere reserve areas for wildlife to pass…
http://www.wildlandsproject.org/files/pdf/reconnecting_map.pdf

Wildlands Conservation Planning, Greater Northern Appalachians Wildlands Network Map – Note: Here’s the reason why at least 20-30% of ALL eleven western states (84.5% of the state of Nevada) are owned by a department of the federal government including the BLM (Interior), Forestry Service (Agriculture) and the Fish and Wildlife Service (Interior)…
http://www.wildlandsproject.org/files/gna_map_med.jpg

Defenders of Wildlife, “Buying, Selling and Trading Biodiversity in Washington: A Bazaar for Biodiversity by Bartholomew McGuire Martin, February 2007
http://www.defenders.org/resources/publications/programs_and_policy/biod...

International Conventions, by The Energy & Biodiversity Initiative
http://www.theebi.org/pdfs/conventions.pdf

Man and Nature Making the Relationship Last, Collection directed by Lisa Garnier, Biosphere Reserves, Technical Notes, 3-2008, United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization and the Man and the Biosphere Reserve Programme
http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0015/001584/158417E.pdf

Agriculture and Environment: Climate Change Challenges and Policy Options, United Nations Department of Economic and Social Affairs, Commission on Sustainable Development, Sixteenth Session, 5-16 May, 2008, New York, Submitted by: United Nations Environment Programme
http://www.un.org/esa/sustdev/csd/csd16/documents/bp4_2008.pdf

Plan of Implementation of the World Summit on Sustainable Development, World Summit on Sustainable Development (WSSD), Johannesburg Summit 2002, 26 August - 4 September 2002
http://www.un.org/esa/sustdev/documents/WSSD_POI_PD/English/WSSD_PlanImp...

USCAP United States Climate Action Partnership, A Blueprint For Legislative Action, Consensus Recommendations for U.S. Climate Protection Legislation, January 2009
http://www.nrg-econrg.com/pdf/USCAP_Blueprint.pdf

Enough for now.. I got more though LOTS more...

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S.Lindsey, don’t tell me I

S.Lindsey, don’t tell me I put words in your mouth, this is exactly what you said.

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The FED is buying up oil rich land to prevent it from being used.. and as a corridor for illegals.

You answered with some sophomoric Rube Goldberg exercise and expected me to take that seriously. I have no illusions that man and animals compete for the same land and many people and organizations are willing to champion on the side of animal habitat.

I also know the FED owns large tracts of valuable land in the west. As I told The Wedge in an early post, on this same thread, ‘the reason the FED owns so much land in the western states has more to do with how those territories were brought into the US.’

Sorry but, I just don’t see the conspiracy you imply in your quote.

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Try to keep up gort..

The statement "Don't put words in my month" was in reference to you having a tendency to misquote someone and attribute "different" meanings other than what was OBVIOUSLY intended.. A good Saul Alinsky tactic..

Now as to the Fed.. You can argue the conclusions but you cannot argue the facts.. The Fed land grab is happening.. Those corridors exist, which you doubted by the way, and opposition to border control is coming from those same "Wildlife" conservation Environmentalist.

Those same wackos that want the land put back the way Nature intended and want all people forcibly moved into "habitat" zones.
I provided their own documents so you can't even say it was from the right..

I love using Liberal Progressives own words against them...

btw.. The Center for American Progress a George Soros group is backing the "Habitat" theory. Strangely they also back Illegal Immigration Amnesty.. and OPEN BORDERS. The Government is tied to CAP and Obama has ties to the group through Apollo and Storm.. A Van Jones group.. Oh that's right Van Jones was a Green Jobs Czar.

Go FIGURE.

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S.Lindsey, don’t make me the

S.Lindsey, don’t make me the issue, those were your words and now you’re flailing like gulf coast pelican after a BP oil bath! Are you so gullible that you believe anything that comes down the pike from you pal’s at FreedomWorks?

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gort.. don't believe everything Media Matters tells you

see that works both ways doesn't?

If you were observant enough you would have noticed that every link was directly from the source.. Not some cobbled together "smear" piece. You can draw your own conclusions. I made mine.

I just don't believe in coincidence's and happenstance.

btw.. my topic America off limits to Americans.. The area that is under siege and sealed off just happens to be a Federal Habitat and Migration Reserve off-limits to everyone but Federal Officers.

The Governor is unable to send the Guard in because it is Federal protected Migration Habitat route.. Instead the Feds put up signs telling Americans that America is off limits to them.. Sounds just like what I said doesn't? Coincidence? Maybe and Maybe not..

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S.Lindsey, I don’t think I

S.Lindsey, I don’t think I ever heard of “Media Matters” and I don’t care enough about them to even query their name in Google. If you ever sent me a link to one of their pages and it smelled like a propaganda piece I would have closed the page after the first paragraph or so and moved on my way.

Have I ever told you that I was a subscriber to “Media Matters?” I don’t think so, because I’ve never heard of them! But that didn’t stop you from saying it like it was an actual fact, did it?

In conclusion, I just don’t see the conspiracy you implied in your quote. I find your conclusions laughable and I think you believe it because you just want to.

Have a good life, prosper, and I'll see you in the funny papers again soon.

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Well alrightie then

Just showing there are always two sides.. Some people will always look at pictures of the Earth and still believe the Earth is flat no matter how much evidence is presented that the Earth is indeed round...

I don't use Freedom Works info..

Why because it would be automatically dismissed even if correct..

That's why I generally use you Liberals own words or even Liberal sites. Hard to just discount the info if it comes from the horses mouth or a leftie website.. That is were these links come from LIBERALS/PROGRESSIVE at work sites..

Ticks off you guys but what the heck thats my job..

See ya..

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Gort
Gort wrote:

I value these things and when you tell "people like me," that I don't, it demonstrates to me how full of crap that kind or rhetoric is.

I could have swore I was responding to someone with a moniker of ilove taxes666. So anyways, do you prescribe to the following:

ilovetaxes666 wrote:

Please, keep your capitalism and selfish ideals, as your doctrines really get in the way for those of us who have regard for the rest of the world.

If you do then please tell us how you value private ownership or capitalism?

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Hey Cy, clearly you

touched a nerve somewhere! Not bad for a Weight Watcher!

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Cyclist, actually I support

Cyclist, actually I support private ownership and capitalism. I'm an active participant in both areas. My beef is with 'crony capitalism,' and you don't have to look north to see it in action. We are surrounded.

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Then perhaps Gort....

you are not proclaiming the same ideology of Ms. taxes666.

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Cyclist, yes, I knew Ms.

Cyclist, yes, I knew Ms. taxes666 was just pulling our leg.

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...and yet three years later
Gort wrote:

Cyclist, actually I support private ownership and capitalism. I'm an active participant in both areas. My beef is with 'crony capitalism,' and you don't have to look north to see it in action. We are surrounded.

after this Administration has gotten in bed with BIG CORPORATE BUSINESS you still support it... I guess you do support those that participate in Crony Capitalism..

Funny how time both proves some right and many others wrong.

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Ilovetaxes666 - If

If you were a real progressive you would drop out of your elitist school erected with money from those capitalist pigs and go out and help someone who deserves your help. Get out of this corrupt capitalist country and spend your entire life raising the masses out of their poverty by robbing the rich and with your bounding wisdom redistribute their wealth to those that you deem the most needy.

You could start perhaps in North Korea where I hear the poverty level and starvation are rampant. Now you’ll have to be careful though because the guy that has all the money also controls the army and the police. On second thought, maybe you could pick somewhere else. Venezuela? No same problem. Cuba? Nope same problem there. How about Somalia! I guess that might prove dangerous too.

Gee golly missy, guess you’ll just have to stay here where there is some money to spread around. Now we just need to go out and find some poor people without color television won’t we?

Grow up

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One doesn't have to go far to 'do for others'. There is a need right here in Fayette County. Some income taxes/corporate taxes come from some capitalist pigs - I guess. If the fraud and corruption is dealt with - our system of government in nowhere near a 'socialist' government. When laws are observed - and regulations observed - we are still the best society on the face of the earth. We have allowed 'special interests' and ‘big money’ to control our legislators. When only 33-40% of the eligible voters actually go to vote - we will remain in this mess of cooperation with corporations - and little regard for the American people. Great gratitude to those Americans who have worked hard and still find it in their hearts and budgets to share with those who are less fortunate.

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When the Government looks to control

Industry (Cap and Trade) and control speech (Net Neutrality)we are not far from being Socialist.

When the Government seeks to re-distribute wealth and "Social Justice" not "Equal justice" then we are not far from being Socialist.

When the will of the people (Universal Health Care) is ignored and even subverted ("I will vote against the interests of my district" Rep Mesa on Universal Heath Care) by the very Government that is supposed to work for them.. Then we are not far from being Socialist.

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DM & Afchanistan

There is an article in today's AJC (Opinion Section) by Kathleen Parker about Afghanistan's future well-being. I commend this excellent article to you seeing as you seem to beinterested in their future.

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Thanks! Wonderful article. How important it is for us all to remember that education is key to a sustainable government. I cringe when I see education budgets being cut throughout our country.

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666 S.W.I.N.E.

"students wildly indignant about nearly everything" (Al Capp)Is what I immediately thought of when reading your piece.

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My Deepest Gratitude

Thank you all for the unmatched amount and quality of entertainment you've provided me in the past couple of days. If you'll excuse me I have no more time to respond or chuckle at these comments, as I have to return to my elitist school work, where I am studying to become nothing but a chai tea sipping elitist, YES that's a major at progressive, elitist public schools these days. Oh and with my parting words, know that you have all made me proud, keep on moving society forward! I mean...

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My Deepest Gratitude

Thank you all for the unmatched amount and quality of entertainment you've provided me in the past couple of days. If you'll excuse me I have no more time to respond or chuckle at these comments, as I have to return to my elitist school work, where I am studying to become nothing but a chai tea sipping elitist, YES that's a major at progressive, elitist public schools these days. Oh and with my parting words, know that you have all made me proud, keep on moving society forward! I mean...

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You're welcome, have fun in school it's going to get much harder for you when and if you graduate. ;-)

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The Left/Right paradigm is

The Left/Right paradigm is phony; something for chumps to believe in while they are robbed blind. Learn a little Hegel along with law.

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Law student/ divorce

An adherent to Lee Atwater.

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