NYT/CBS Poll: Tea Party Supporters More Educated, Prosperous

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"Of the Tea Party supporters who responded, 20 percent make more than $100,000, versus 14 percent for the general pool of people polled. Fourteen percent of Tea Party supporters have a post-graduate education, compared with 10 percent for the general public. Twenty-three percent of Tea Party supporters have a college degree, compared with 15 percent for the general public, according to the poll.

Wow you mean we are not Redneck, uneducated, Homophobic Racist?

But... but... I was so sure...

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Scary, isn't it?
S. Lindsey wrote:

"Of the Tea Party supporters who responded, 20 percent make more than $100,000, versus 14 percent for the general pool of people polled. Fourteen percent of Tea Party supporters have a post-graduate education, compared with 10 percent for the general public. Twenty-three percent of Tea Party supporters have a college degree, compared with 15 percent for the general public, according to the poll.

Wow you mean we are not Redneck, uneducated, Homophobic Racist?

But... but... I was so sure...

Scary, isn't it?

Clearly the education system in America is broken if these "more educated" teabaggers can spout the ill-informed jibba jabba that they continually spout.

Education does not apparently mitigate prejudice, gullibility, mob-think, desperation for easy answers, or hysteria.

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Actually That would just be you!
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prejudice, gullibility, mob-think, desperation for easy answers, or hysteria.

and your Liberal friends.

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Hello 1bighammer
1bighammer wrote:
Chris P. Bacon wrote:

prejudice, gullibility, mob-think, desperation for easy answers, or hysteria.

and your Liberal friends.

Let me know if you ever want to debate me in public, hammy!

We'll see who has a better grasp of the issues.

Bring your friends.

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Awww.. Sniffle is hurt

He was so sure.
What really ticks him off is that it is a New York Times/CBS poll so he can't just discount it.

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No Discounts Here!
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He was so sure.
What really ticks him off is that it is a New York Times/CBS poll so he can't just discount it.

Heck no, Lindsey, I'm sitting here amused that you of all people are quoting the New York Times!

You've whined for years like a petulant little girl about how "biased" the NYT is, yet when they publish something to your liking you immediately drop to your knees and begin licking their boots.

Slurp on, my boy, slurp on! :D

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Well try on CNN now sniffling pork boy..

CNN's Shannon Travis describes his embed experience.

"Here's what you often see in the coverage of Tea Party rallies: offensive posters blasting President Obama and Democratic leaders; racist rhetoric spewed from what seems to be a largely white, male audience; and angry protesters rallying around the Constitution.
... But here's what you don't often see in the coverage of Tea Party rallies: Patriotic signs professing a love for country; mothers and fathers with their children; African-Americans proudly participating; and senior citizens bopping to a hip-hop rapper.

... CNN was the only national news outlet on this Western leg of the tour. We had a full team on the ground: myself, correspondent Ed Lavandera, producers Tracy Sabo and Jim Spellman and the crew of the CNN Express bus. For Spellman, it was his third Tea Party Express tour.

Together, we beamed out images of the anger and the optimism, profiled African-Americans who are proud to be in the Tea Party's minority and showed activists stirred by "God Bless America" or amused by a young rapper who strung together rhymes against the president and Democrats.

The CNN Express traveled with the Tea Party Express buses for hundreds of miles, from rally to rally to rally.

Being at a Tea Party rally is not quite like seeing it on TV, in newspapers or online. That's the reason CNN is covering this political movement -- and doing so in ways few others can or choose to do.

It is important to show the colorful anger Americans might have against elected leaders and Washington. But people should also see the orange-vested Tea Party hospitality handlers who welcome you with colorful smiles.

There were a few signs that could be seen as offensive to African-Americans. But by and large, no one I spoke with or I heard from on stage said anything that was approaching racist." CNN (You recognize them don't you sniffle?

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/04/cnn_salutes_the_color...

Don't cha just hate it that reliably Left news organizations all of sudden do their jobs and report the real news..

Oh I bet you can dismiss this one too.. Why don't cha put in a link to the Nothington Post or Salon that's always a good source of info for you.. I am sure they can dispute everything that NYT/CBS and now CNN said..

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Tea party

Yes there where a few African Americans at the tea events. Very few as the camera's pointed in their direction to dispute claims the group is 99% white. How many other minority groups were in full swing with the tea's? None. It is easy to be a follower than to think for yourself.

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Tman-How many ethnicities are represented at your house?

It can get just that ridiculous. The Teaparty is not an employer or some club.
It is open to all that wish to make themselves heard. The real question oh great thinker is..

HOW MANY HAVE BEEN TURNED AWAY?

The answer is: NONE

So what is your point..

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The question Lindsey

is why aren't more Americans of different ethnicities trusting the Tea Party?
Unfortunately, a fringe group with well-known code words has made themselves 'at home' at Tea Party rallies. This is unfortunate, because it is attracting those who were used for the 'southern strategy' in past elections. . . those who fear 'too much' color in American society. The Tea Party has some very sound concerns - which all Americans can embrace. But using the 'southern strategy' in 2010 is not going to work. The color of one’s skin has nothing to do with the concerns of taxes, government, and other concerns expressed by the Tea Party. But when Americans of a different hue see ‘States Rights’, ‘Don’t tread on me’, ‘Give Us Our Country Back’ – it is a reminder of a darker period of our history – and we tend to stay away from such groups.

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Race

Just another racist witch hunt by DM- She accuses innocent civilians objecting to the direction this "president" is taking us and of being nothing but a bunch of racists.

Nothing new here. She makes the term "racism" completely irrelevant as she spouts it so often. Nobody cares to listen to her garbage anymore.

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Joe sad look at yourself

No one was making a point of tea's being racist. Just commenting on SL's belief the teas include African Americans. This was a sad disclosure of the lack of African Americans in that group. Your comments lead to the fact that you want it to be about race. It is about America and all races.
The tea's message and language is a part of our dark history.

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Like I told DM.. Saying it's so.. just don't make it so..

Tman see my post and links to DM.. Your one sided myopic views is were the dark history comes from.. Facts and TRUTH are the light we are guided by.

I see clearly.. I doubt you do..

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Lindsey

It's sad when an adult cannot make a point without 'putting down' another. Lindsey, you could have left out 'I doubt you do' and still have made your point. Continues to be 'sad'. . . but is easier to do than reply civilly.

By the way - what was the point of that post?

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The point

Simple.. Where's the beef with either of your arguments? You claim special knowledge of a "Fringe" Group that is inside the teaparty.. Tman claims that the teaparty message comes from a dark history..

Rhetoric, hyperbole and conjecture.. Like tofu all mass and no substance.

btw.. Your constant use of the "Southern Strategy" a Nixon era program has no context today.. Have you seen the leader of the RNC DM?

Let me clue you in HE IS BLACK.

SO you can say Southern Strategy all you wish.. It's like me saying it is the "Mudd Plan" it has no meaning in the discussion today. History is the past we must learn from but not LIVE IN IT..

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Let me clue you in HE IS

Let me clue you in HE IS BLACK. Oh really???? LOL!!! Now what are the Republicans going to do with him, now that some say he is ineffective? Got a problem, heh? How do you get rid of the 'black' head of your party and not be considered racist? Shouldn't have listened to those who said he would deflect the 'racist' image of the current Republican Party. What a situation - in a country that is not influenced at all by 'race'. (According to some on this blog.)

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SO again you can't prove your claims

I will ask one more time..

What is this "FRINGE" group you have special knowledge of?

What is the message that is "tinged" with hate?

Now on to Steel.. let's see you see it as a race issue.. SURPRISE... They see it as a "effective" issue.. but to you it is about race **sigh***

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Lindsey - sorry you missed this
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Yes DM I saw the Huffington Post pics

Most have been widely discredited by outside agencies.. Others are not even sourced.. as to time and place and event. Find them on MSM sites hard to do. Even they won't post National Enquirer type photo's..

DM you really need to get new sources.. You know the Nothington post is a not a news media.. It is an Liberal blogosphere and opinion media..

Remember the scary guy carrying a AR-15 at an event.. They Huff and Puff reported it as a "White" domestic terrorist..

They failed to show it was a black teaparty member.. didn't fit their "story". Not a legitimate source.

Reload and try again..

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Black Conservatives-Lindsey

Those who call them 'oreos' are entitled to their opinion - but a wise person told us when we were young that no party (political) in this country should feel that they have the minority vote in their back pocket. As Americans, minorities should be represented in/on all levels of the political spectrum. When this happens, then 'race' will not be the political issue that it is today. Most knowledgeable people applaud the 'black' conservatives for their fiscal standards. It's just a shame that the 'conservative' leaders have been overwhelmed with power and greed and allowed the corporations and deep pocket lobbyists to corrupt them. Goldman and Sachs - wow - who can you trust?

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Well now let's look at Goldman Sachs DM..

"President Obama described Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein as a savvy businessman."

From YOUR favorite site..
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/hank-paulson/

Obama and Lloyd Blankfein
Obama Seeking JPMorgan, Goldman, Citigroup Support For Bank Plan

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/obama-and-lloyd-blankfein

Since you like the Huffington Post I thought I would use your source..

Shame Obama is tied to Goldman Sachs.

Like you said.. WOW... Who can you trust..??

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Lindsey

I can trust that you will find the glass always half empty when it comes to Obama, Democrats, etc. I accept that. Hey! What about those banks that have paid back a good part of their 'loans'? What about GM? I know you don't have any loans with your standard of fiscal conservatism - but at least give GM credit for getting it's act together - and hopefully restoring some of those jobs! I hope you got outside today - I didn't note the times of your posts - but it was a beautiful day today in Georgia!! Nite all.

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Dm.. GM really

Better re-check that one..

They took money from the tarp funds they had in escrow and turned that in.. They re-paid the their debt by borrowing it from the taxpayers funds.

Right pocket Left Pocket DM..

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Lindsey and others

For journalism students: An interesting study of how 'facts' can be portrayed by different ideologies.

From Yahoo

Same song - a little different tune

Fox News

Oops!

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DM Thanks

For proving my point yet again..

Your 1st link was an AP story carrying the water for GM..

The 2nd Link was the real story of GM paying back the money with MORE tarp monies.. i.e.. Taxpayer funds

The 3rd Link was the same as the 2nd link..

The 4th link was a liberal Blog??? Why would you use a blog as a fact DM? YOu do know blogs are simple opinions right? Then again no.. no you don't.

So I think we can all conclude what was real and what was not.. OOPS back at cha..

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Lindsey - last time :-)
Davids mom wrote:

For journalism students: An interesting study of how 'facts' can be portrayed by different ideologies.

From Yahoo

Same song - a little different tune

Fox News

Oops!

Lindsey, you poor insecure person. That post was not to discredit any thing that you had said or believed. It was to show that those who have different ideologies could portray ‘facts’ differently. I accept that you and I disagree about probably life itself. . .but because someone has a different view does not mean that they are not basing their view on facts. Again, people see things based on their perception and how it may/did affect them. If you feel that my choice of examples proved your 'point' - wonderful. I think others got the message - and don't feel the desperate need to be 'right' all the time. I really shouldn't have directed that to you. . you are so insecure. Now you will make some articulate response - and guess what Buddy - I am going to ignore it. Bye.

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Please do DM Ignore it

If your intentions where none other then just to inform then I accept your premise. However your MO your SOP is to dis-inform by using bogus sites.

Your last link was a pro GM pro Obama blog site that you titled "OOPS" implying that Fox was wrong....

Even if your intent was to just inform you could not help yourself.

Your link-

"Firedoglake is a leading progressive political site, bringing the best in political reporting and activism " OOPs got caught again..

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Goldman Sachs and Obama..Who can you trust?

“Goldman Sachs partner Gary Gensler is Obama's Commodity Futures Trading Commission head.”

“Goldman Sachs kept White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel on a $3,000 monthly retainer while he worked as Clinton's chief fundraiser, as first reported by Washington Examiner columnist Tim Carney.”

“Former Goldman Sachs lobbyist Mark Patterson serves under Geithner as his top deputy and overseer of TARP bailout -- $10 billion of which went to Goldman Sachs.”

“White House National Economic Council head Larry Summers reaped nearly $2.8 million in speaking fees from many of the major financial institutions and government bailout recipients he now polices, including JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup, Lehman Brothers and Goldman Sachs. A single speech to Goldman Sachs in April 2008 brought in $135,000.”

Goldman Sachs Reaps $6B After $1M Obama Contribution

But it was the $6 billion that landed in the back pockets of Goldman Sachs, a bank with close ties to Mr. Obama, which raised a number of ethical questions of how and why taxpayer dollars were covertly funneled to one of the president’s largest campaign backers.

http://www.thebulletin.us/articles/2009/03/10/top_stories/doc49b61e46e93...

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The Southern Strategy

We have learned from it - and do not intend to 'live' it again. Unfortunately, some political strategists saw it worked for Nixon and Reagan and feel that it just might work again because there are Americans who are surprised that we have a 'black' president. (I know, his mother was 'white' - but he would never be mistaken for a 'white' man on the street.)

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Lindsey - running scared

The libs and dems on this blog are running like rabbits and lashing out because they know they are losing control.

Good that November is just around the corner, then we'll see if we have weak tea.

All the nonsense written here means nothing and that written in the voting booth means everything.

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PTC.. I know

Like cockroaches when you turn on the light.

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Observer: voting

It sure meant everything last time, and isn't likely to change much next time. We can't stand another mess.

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Actually T Man ...DM did make it about Race.

That's par for the course. Evidently someone pointed her to this "southern strategy" and she's been hooked on that for weeks now. I'll bet we could post about the high cost of Milk and she could somehow make it the fault of a "southern strategy".

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Joe - Race

Speaking 'truth' to 'ignorance' always seems to upset you. Calm down. You have made your dislike for Obama and his administration quite clear. I assume that his 'race' has nothing to do with your stand. I have great respect for most of the Tea Party participants. They may bring independents and others together to give us a Congress that works for the American people rather than a political party. I have no doubt the majority of Tea Party participants are sincere in their concern about where this country has been heading for the last 12+ years. When those who try to interject the 'southern strategy' (which is to suggest that 'real' Americans do not include those of another color) and have been given too many 'rights' - then others who believe that an American citizen is an American citizen regardless of his color stand back and take note. Those who cause this speculation regarding the intent of the Tea Party are considered a 'fringe' group. Your arguments since Obama became the Democratic nominee can be traced almost word for word to arguments used on other blogs.. . .and these words can be traced to some of the 37 hate groups that exist here in Georgia. Click Here
I congratulate you, because you have tried to adhere to the standard set on this blog - and have not used the hateful, denigrating words that are found on other blogs. Your insistence that a human being that has been a Senator; a graduate of a prestigious university; and admired throughout the world is unqualified to be our president is interesting -when we have had presidents with far less qualifications. Obama made a promise of change – and I think his feet are being held to the fire. He’s been called a ‘failure’ after one year on the job. Let’s see what happens if he is fortunate enough to get a Congress that will work with him for the American people.
When he was first elected, someone representing the Republican Party stated that they would do all in their power to see that the Obama administration failed. There are Democrats who represent some persons in this country who might feel the same way. I guess securing his failure is more important than saving the American people. Sad.

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Word for Word?

Word for word DM? Please prove it or cite some examples, or are you just spouting off and proving your dimentia again?

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Joe - words

You have been very careful not to use those words in your posts - because you know they would not meet the standard of this blog. Others who surf the web, if they choose to, can validate the message that is found on these sites - and is so carefully worded/repeated here by Joe Kawfi. People will make up there own minds about my 'dementia' - but they will also make up their minds about your insistence in denigrating anyone who disagrees with you. Not all 'conservatives' share all of your beliefs. . .as demonstrated here by your 'words'.

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Just as I thought, DM - You can't back it up with FACTS

You spout off claiming that my posts can be traced “almost word for word” to hate groups, yet when called upon to prove it, you can’t deliver.
DM – you are a demented, racist liar that cannot stand the fact that there is a very large percentage of the U.S. population that disagrees with what this “president” is doing to our county.
You are sinking into senility at a very fast rate and your comments to me mean nothing.

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"Imagine If The Tea Party Was Black"

Speaking of race, there is an excellent essay here "Imagine If The Tea Party Was Black"

I suspect that if the Tea Party was black, many of the conservatives here would be talking out of the other side of their collective mouths!

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Imagine if Liberals had brains..

but that's just too much fiction to swallow..

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The Other Side (View)

Taken from the article, "Imagine If The Tea Party Was Black"

And this, my friends, is what white privilege is all about. The ability to threaten others, to engage in violent and incendiary rhetoric without consequence, to be viewed as patriotic and normal no matter what you do, and never to be feared and despised as people of color would be, if they tried to get away with half the sh*** we do, on a daily basis.

During the March on Washington, The Million Man March, and the La Raza protests, participants were warned not to bring guns or other weapons, and to keep their speech 'peaceful and respectful'.

It's not difficult to 'imagine' what would happen if a group of people of color acted as SOME Tea Party members have. Thanks for sharing! It makes you think – for the reality of the imagined consequence is ‘true’. Sad.

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Again I ASK.. Who are the "SOME"?

Come on DM.. Conjecture and pure speculation..

Let's see how many Tea party protesters have been arrested to date: 0

How about 1 Liberal protest in 1 city: 150+

Dollar amount of damage due to protesters violence at ALL Teapartys to date $0.00

Dollar amount of damage due to protesters violence Liberals 1 city 1 protest: $10,000.00+

Outside the GOP convention, protests, violence and arrests

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/09/rnc-protests.html

"Monday started out peacefully enough, a relief to many. But as the afternoon wore on, small groups peeled off from the main rally, and that’s when things started to go bad. Road flares were thrown into garbage dumpsters, and then the fiery receptacles were pushed into position to to block traffic.

Shop windows were busted. So were police car windows. Protesters threw rocks, bottles, even garbage at the thickening rows of police in riot gear.

One group cornered members of the Connecticut Republican delegation as they were walking to a security check-point to enter the Xcel Energy Center.

“They linked arms and tried to prevent us from going in," said Heath Fahle, the state party's executive director. "They were pushing and shoving, and we were pushing back, just trying to get by."

He added: “They were grabbing at purses, at credentials, spitting on the delegates.”

One protester wrestled with 83-year-old Fred Biebel and stole his credentials. Another spit on Lila Healy, the mother of the state’s GOP party chairman, and hit her in the face.

When former U.S. Rep. Rob Simmons, who used to work for the CIA, stepped in front to protect her from the crowd, a bottle full of water and bleach was thrown in his face.

As the day progressed, the number of splinter protest groups grew -– and, say critics, so did the aggressiveness of law enforcement groups. Self-described medics from Portland and Illinois, in town to help with any injuries, were jailed."

And the Teaparty folks are the RADICAL ones.. Yeah Right!!!

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DM who is this "WE"

"Black conservatives in tea party movement oppose taxes, policies of 1st black president"

"They've been called Oreos, traitors and Uncle Toms, and are used to having to defend their values. Now black conservatives are really taking heat for their involvement in the mostly white tea party movement — and for having the audacity to oppose the policies of the nation's first black president.
"

http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=black+onservatives+in+teaparty&d=456521...

Black Conservatives Take Lead Role in Tea Party Movement

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/01/19/black-conservatives-lead-role...

"Though the tea party movement has attracted criticism for its supposed lack of diversity, minority activists who are involved say the movement has little to do with race, and that it is attracting a more diverse crowd every day."

Black Conservative Tea Party Backers Take Heat

http://www.blackamericaweb.com/?q=content/black-conservative-tea-party-b...

Same story but note the WEBSITE DM.. www.blackamericaweb.com

and this is from the people you are devoted to..

Union Thugs Deliver Unprovoked Beating on Black Conservative at Carnahan Town Hall

http://stlouisteaparty.com/2009/08/07/union-thugs-deliver-unprovoked-bea...

Notice DM SEIU thugs.. you know Andy Stern.. let's see who was it that had the most visits to the Whitehouse to see Obama.. oh snap..That's right Andy Stern.. That beat down occurred the night Andy Stern and Obama propaganda machine ordered to "punch back twice as hard" CAMPAIGN.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/25891.html

So DM who is this "WE"?

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Lindsey

Thanks for sharing this with everyone. I am well aware of 'black' conservatives. I posted a blog from a 'black' small businessman on this blog. Persons of all colors have concerns - my point is people of color stay away from 'groups' that have a tinge of 'hate' in their message. The Tea Party groups as a whole - and The Coffee Party groups as a whole are above race/racism - but if you cannot see the 'fringe' groups and what message they carry - well. If you looked at the list of 'hate groups' that I referred to - they are not just 'white' groups. All/any group that uses 'hate' as its base is suspect. The Tea Parties are not based on 'hate' - but they have attracted a very unattractive/but vocal group of 'haters'. Believe me, there are more 'black' Americans who have the same concerns - but will not align themselves who target a 'president' because of his color - and some party attendees have 'proudly' carried signs that denigrate the president's race. By the way, I didn't hear anyone calling Herman Cain an 'Oreo'. He and his family are respected members of the ‘black’ and ‘white’ community. He is an articulate American of color that ‘white’ people listen to. He is Conservative. If our country were truly color-blind in 2010, he would just be another American expressing his view. . . and not an American that ‘whites’ like to point to in order to prove they are not racist. His message is appealing to those that agree with him.

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DM you have made the claims now prove'em

Where are those RADICALS.. What is that message that is "tinged" with "Hate"?

One or two people does not a "Fringe" group make. But reports of it does not make it so.. No more than if I went to your church and said all I saw were snake handlers and White haters.. Where is the proof? People, organizations and Media with an agenda that simply "says" it happens does not make it so..

But keep pulling out those innuendo's and we will keep pointing them out.

What really happens at Tea Party rallies

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/04/07/tea.party.rallies/?hpt=Sbin

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I have made no innuendos - but stated some facts that are observable by anyone who wants to do the research. There are fringe groups that have attached themselves to The Tea Party. There are some African Americans who attend Tea Party rallies. I think it is fair to say that as African Americans are 11% of the US population - we do not see 11% of Tea Party attendees that are African American. That is a reality. Your saying/pointing out that CNN noted that there were some African Americans in attendance at the rallies they attended does not negate the fact that African Americans and Americans of other ethnicities have not embraced the rallies. Why? The fringe groups and their signs. Now, I graciously give you the right to have the last word. Nite.

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Just where are they DM???

If "they" were attached as you say.. Surely some evidence of "them" exist.

You say a lot but produce little. If you have evidence of "these" hate groups being in the Teaparty then post "them" gives us the links. Let us view them.. Or are they just the made up random musings of a semi-retired "activist"

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Anyone watching ANY news program or reading any periodical has seen the signs and/or heard the words. Just because you haven't seen them, doesn't mean they don't exist. My saying it or you saying it isn't really relevant. Persons who are interested can do their own research if they so desire. Leno is great tonight! I'm going to watch Leno at 11:00 - and Lopez at 12:00 when Conan returns. Retirement is fabulous - one can sleep-in any morning one chooses.

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See post #18

Please point them out..

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Go to bed Lindsey

'see post #18" What is your point? I'll see tomorrow - going to watch Leno.

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DM - Jay's over

your answer to Lindsey's question is deafening.

Fact is you have no facts, just emotion.

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Hey Lindsey, a Tea Party question

Since you are the Citizen's expert on everything related to the Tea Party, what percentage of the local Tea Party membership would you estimate is African-American?

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Hey Sniffles why do you ask?

Is the Teaparty a business? Is it an exclusive club?

How many African Americans have you adopted? How many do you personally support and I don't mean by taxes..?

Your question is as relevant as this.

The Question is if they want to join can they? Yes

How many token blacks do you need to justify something sniffle?

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a simple question
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Is the Teaparty a business? Is it an exclusive club? How many African Americans have you adopted? How many do you personally support and I don't mean by taxes..? Your question is as relevant as this. The Question is if they want to join can they? Yes How many token blacks do you need to justify something sniffle?

Wow, no need to get so defensive! I was merely asking a simple question. Since you seem to be having some sort of panic attack about this, I'll look elsewhere for my answer.

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Overreaction there sniffle?

Oh don't get me wrong I know what you are doing..but it is simplistic at best.

But yes feel free to go somewhere else..

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A very simple question
S. Lindsey wrote:

Oh don't get me wrong I know what you are doing..but it is simplistic at best. But yes feel free to go somewhere else..

Simple questions are the best. Honest and straightforward. To be honest, I don't understand why this simple question upsets you so much.

I'm thinking perhaps two percent African American membership, tops.

Does that sound about right to you?

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Token blacks?

Hey - are you saying those who are attending are 'tokens'? Is that fair? Are you saying that you would like to see more 'token' blacks at Tea Parties? I feel that those who attend are supportive of the movement - and have not run into the fringe element. What say you? (Lord, why do I ask?)

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A slip of the tongue
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Hey - are you saying those who are attending are 'tokens'? Is that fair? Are you saying that you would like to see more 'token' blacks at Tea Parties? I feel that those who attend are supportive of the movement - and have not run into the fringe element. What say you? (Lord, why do I ask?)

Oh I don't think Lindsey was implying that blacks were "tokens" at the recent teabagger whinefest. Scarce in number to the point of almost being non-existent, but not "tokens", nossir. It was an unfortunate slip of the tongue.

Speaking of "unfortunate slips of the tongue", did you happen to hear that one teabagging speaker in D.C.'s comment? "We don't dislike President Obama just because he is black..."

of course they don't...

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Where and when was that sniffie?

Did a word search for all media and couldn't find it?

Did you just make that up? Shame on you..

Since you know where and when it was said unless you where there then it was reported.. Care to provide the time and date and a link to the media?

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Tsk Tsk Lindsey
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Did a word search for all media and couldn't find it?Did you just make that up? Shame on you..Since you know where and when it was said unless you where there then it was reported.. Care to provide the time and date and a link to the media?

Just because you cannot find something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

So in the interest of bipartisan brotherhood here is the relevant passage from the Washington Post, dated 4/15/2010:

Johnson expressed opposition to Obama. "It's not just because he's black," he said. "I wish I could tell you that I loved this guy, that he was a great president, that I had faith in him. But I have none. Zero."

Now that I have answered YOUR question, how about returning the favor and answering MY question: What percentage of the local Tea Party group membership do you believe is African American? Please note that I am asking for your opinion as to what the percentage might be.

Give and take works both ways.

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Sniffle..

What does it matter?

How can one give a percentage to say how many blacks are in the Red Hat Society. They have no National group but is made up of hundreds of smaller groups.. and again WHY DOES IT MATTER?

You and DM are hung up on race.. I thought we were the ones that were the racist.. We are color blind. I find it interesting all you two can focus
on is COLOR!!!

Both of you are closet bigots..

big·ot [ bíggət ]
intolerant person: somebody with strong opinions, especially on politics, religion, or ethnicity, who refuses to accept different views
Synonyms: extremist, diehard, dogmatist, racist, chauvinist, hypocrite

Race is important only to you two.. The rest of us don't care.. So go on carry that bucket..

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Race is important only to you two.. The rest of us don't care.. So go on carry that bucket..

Really? Then 'fini'.

big·ot [ bíggət ]
intolerant person: somebody with strong opinions, especially on politics, religion, or ethnicity, who refuses to accept different views
Synonyms: extremist, diehard, dogmatist, racist, chauvinist, hypocrite

Excellent self description of Lindsey and Kawfi.

If you could acknowledge that others may have different views than yours - you may not fit the above description. However, I'm grateful that I have been exposed to different views on this blog. Thanks.

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DM..

Well glad I could help.. btw.. How are those treatments for that delusional issue?

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The treatments?

Since you suggested them - and they didn't work for you - I passed them up. You still have the problem?

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This is one game that you shouldn't play. You don't have the tools.

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No DM have another cup of Coffee you need it..

Between you and sniffle and one other you seem to have a mistaken belief that the teaparty is under some obligation to maintain a quota!!!

I have asked a simple question to each of you.. Is the teaparty a business or a club?

Has the teaparty turned away one person other that a leftie trying to infiltrate the movement?

Now you want it to have a percentage of the black population and it must be representative of the National average????

Using your logic why are there even any black conservatives? Shouldn't all of them therefore be democrats.. or better yet.. Should some of the blacks be forced to change parties to more reflect the avg of white Americans?

Let's look at your logic in your argument.

First all teaparty's are INDIVIDUAL group very loosely tied to the National foundation.

Each INDIVIDUAL teaparty according to you MUST have a representative sample of the demographic of the city/county in which they participate..or they are illegitimate.

Well how do know? Let's say that Atlanta's teaparty has 100 members according to you all they need to be legit is 11% or 11 members.. right?
Doesn't Atlanta have a higher percentage of blacks to whites inside the city limits?

How about the Newnan/PTC teaparty.. a smaller percentage is represented so would just 3 be enough?

You see you guys want TOKEN BLACKS.. The Black community is wedded to the Democrats.. and have been for a generation.. That demographic is slowly changing. We welcome everyone. We are a true color blind movement..

Why is it that people like you who should revel in the fact that people are protesting and speaking out just like Martin L. King said to do are all of a sudden wanting us to shut up?

You do know whites marched is Selma right? You do know that Whites worked with MLK right?

Martin Luther King's niece Doctor Alveda King was on Glenn Beck last night She said the teaparty is doing exactly what her Uncle would have wanted
and saw NOTHING wrong with it. She also said the claims of rascism is in her words no different then when the media claimed violence was going to erupt when they marched..

Apparently the King family doesn't see anything wrong with the teaparty's .. Why do you?

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Lindsey/Joe FINI!

Very poor attempt to correct Lindsey's slip of the tongue. I feel that the Tea Party movement in itself is American democracy in action. It's the haters who have attached themselves to the movement that taint it. Many signs are creative; and what a lesson for children to learn - the right to assemble peaceably and express your concerns. Nothing wrong with that. Your attempt to deny that the haters exist is ridiculous. I SEE NOTHING WRONG WITH THE TEA PARTY...just expressed an opinion on why more minorities are not attending. . .and shared some documentation of the signs. Have a great day! Fini!

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Hi David's Mom, I disagree!
Davids mom wrote:

Very poor attempt to correct Lindsey's slip of the tongue. I feel that the Tea Party movement in itself is American democracy in action. It's the haters who have attached themselves to the movement that taint it. Many signs are creative; and what a lesson for children to learn - the right to assemble peaceably and express your concerns. Nothing wrong with that. Your attempt to deny that the haters exist is ridiculous. I SEE NOTHING WRONG WITH THE TEA PARTY...just expressed an opinion on why more minorities are not attending. . .and shared some documentation of the signs. Have a great day! Fini!

Hi David's Mom! I must disagree with your position. I see plenty of things "wrong" with this Tea Party hoo-ha. To me, these Tea Party folks are the antithesis of democracy, a triumph of slogans over substance. I believe that the lack of intellectual heft in the local tea party movement was best summed up by this picture, where the protester blithely declares that President Obama will lead us simultaneously to "facism, Marxism and socialism". That to me exemplifies a profound ignorance of government philosophies.

I read an excellent comment the other day regarding the Tea Party movement: "It's hard to be against them because they are not FOR anything". Amen.

In my opinion, the Tea Party folks are simply an updated version of the John Birch society from the 1960s, part of that hardcore 20% of America that has always hated government. They are a loose conglomeration of fanatic libertarians, the usual white supremacist dregs of society, and Republicans who truly are not interested in meaningful dialog.

They are bound together primarily by the politics of resentment. I believe this "movement" has peaked, and we'll see less and less of them as more and more people realize just what they are.

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DM...you better jump on Bacon he's denigrating Blacks.
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Hi David's Mom! I must disagree with your position. I see plenty of things "wrong" with this Tea Party hoo-ha. To me, these Tea Party folks are the antithesis of democracy, a triumph of slogans over substance. I believe that the lack of intellectual heft in the local tea party movement was best summed up by this picture, where the protester blithely declares that President Obama will lead us simultaneously to "facism, Marxism and socialism". That to me exemplifies a profound ignorance of government philosophies.

Why is it Bacon points out a "lack of intellectual heft" and uses a picture of two Black guys holding signs. I am appalled...

And Lindsey...Maybe Sni..er.. I mean, Bacon, answerd his own question about the percentage. I see 15 people in the pic and 2 of them are Black. 15/2 = 13.3 % that's higher than the national % of Blacks in our population.

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bighammer

Giving us the passive-aggressive "why don't you and he fight" nonsense today, bighammer?

With regard to your 13.3% figure, that's typical of the logical fallacy known as the "fallacy of the unrepresentative sample".

I wish the Citizen had been able to take a wide-angle picture of the "nearly 2000!" protesters...I suspect there would be precious few African American faces in the "big picture". But for whatever reason, they did not, so we're reduced to speculation and opinion.

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No Bacon..just pointing out that you are no better than

the individuals you constantly try to make look like bigots.

Why is it important what % of Tea Partiers are black? For whatever the reason they choose not to come in large numbers. You and DM try to make it out like there is some nefarious plot by the white members to keep them away. It just isn't true.

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Choosing not to come

You pretending to not know why they "choose not to come" only worsens your stance!

These are people (TEA) who say, for the most part they are against all of the things that any kind of minority in this country utilizes for their livelihood. You also won't find very many poor majority groups there either.
Whether these people who do not attend deserve any assistance has nothing to do with them not being there.
When Rebel flags are displayed often and confederate items are displayed, it appears not safe.

There are 13% - 14% African-Americans in this country. Now since only a small percentage of any group shows up for a demonstration, just how many minorities do you think would brave such a demonstration?

There are many racists in those meetings just as there are in many types of majority organizations. More whites draw welfare, assistance of all kinds than all of the minorities combined, so the reason the minorities don't go isn't that they don't work---most do---but they know better.

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Every time you post you prove how ignorant you really are..

"These are people (TEA) who say, for the most part they are against all of the things that any kind of minority in this country utilizes for their livelihood."

Wow now that's a bigoted statement right there.. Great example.

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You’re a big boy - do your own jumping. Opinions are being expressed. Interesting picture, which includes two black men. Quite frankly, they don't look too comfortable in the crowd - but well positioned. What's your opinion? I've expressed mine. Many people brought their families to the 'Tea Party' - where is their family? Just speculating. 2 out of 15 - eh? I guess the photographer thought those were good odds also. Listen, the reality is, not many minorities are rushing to join the Tea Parties. So what? Are you worried? Why? I just expressed an opinion on why I feel hordes of minorities are not rushing to join this movement. By the way - out of the total population - hordes of 'whites' are not rushing to join either - right?
I respect ‘Bacon’s’ opinion – and disagreement is OK with me! If you want to ‘jump’ on him, be my guest.

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I don't get how you think there was a slip of the tongue..

I said it and unlike you and Sniffles I mean't it.. I even repeated it..

You and Sniffles want the Teaparty to do like most Liberal protest to do is go out and bus in some homeless to show solidarity.. You want TOKEN BLACKS.
That is what you two are advocating..

You both are closet bigots.

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I said it and unlike you and Sniffles I mean't it.. I even repeated it..

You and Sniffles want the Teaparty to do like most Liberal protest to do is go out and bus in some homeless to show solidarity.. You want TOKEN BLACKS.
That is what you two are advocating..

You both are closet bigots.

Lindsey, I thought you wanted to put aside the name calling? I'll sling mud back at you if you like but I'd prefer to focus on the issues.

Secondly, I'm not advocating anything here. You are ascribing positions to me that I do not hold. Don't put words in my mouth.

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Oh really

That's a real side splitter there.. Sniffle..

Feel free to talk about my Mother any time there sniffles.. I know you.

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She can't point them out, S. She made it all up in her senile, old mind.

Why the Left Needs Racism

In any context except a Tea Party, the vast majority of liberal writers would praise the act of highlighting the voices of "people of color" even if they aren't particularly representative of a crowd or corporation or university class. Let it happen at a rally of conservatives, however, and this winds up on the nation's premier op-ed page. . . .

It's this kind of piece that causes people on the right to think that on matters of race, they're damned if they do, and they're damned if they don't--if they don't make efforts to include non-whites they're unenlightened propagators of privilege, and if they do make those efforts they're the cynical managers of a minstrel show, but either way, race is used as a cudgel to discredit them in a way that would never be applied to a political movement on the left.

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. .and why the 'right' reacts/uses it

It = racism. If race wasn't still an issue in this country, this discussion would be nonsense. Check my post above - wisdom is for no party to feel they have the minority vote - what they need is a platform that appeals to Americans. Someday - and not in the too distant future, our young people will truly respond to 'issues' and not 'race'. That day is coming. . .be ready - and we'll all be called Americans - regardless of our color.

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The teas are not unique. Their message is directly from Fox. There are a few that make sense when they speak but more GOP than anything. Same of what we had before. We cannot continue to play party politics as that leads us to the land of nowhere. The Big companies will continue to run this country and we will remain blind to the truth.

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There were a few signs that could be seen as offensive to African-Americans.

If you watch CNN - you will get an honest view of what is happening in the country and the world. Again, thanks for sharing. Many watch CNN and other news programs. They don't need to 'debate' what others choose to react to or see as 'truth'. It is important to acknowledge that there are those who see the glass half empty - while others see the glass half full. I don't know what is more destructive to our country - the division between left and right - or the continued division of 'white' and 'others'. We should be extremely proud of Fayette County in the state of Georgia. Our town/county was not listed on the 'hate list'. Our children, when observed in libraries, on street corners, in their respective communities, at recreation activities, seem to get along just fine. I've observed parents at sport practices - and they all seem to be supportive of the 'team' regardless of the color of the players. Although Sunday is still the most segregated day in the week, the majority of the churches in Fayetteville appear to welcome persons of all colors. My research of 'race' here in Fayette County has been encouraging. This county has come a long way in 'race' relations in the last 20-30 years. Kudos to the citizens and leaders in Fayette County - and the city of Fayetteville. By the way, Dr. Sams book, Down Town, is very enlightening in giving one insight into the history of a small town in the south.

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Lefty news orgnization

"Don't cha just hate it that reliably Left news organizations all of sudden do their jobs and report the real news.."

Not at all SL. CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC, The Washington Post and the NYT always report the real news. We don't hate it, we expect it.

It just seems like it's left wing to you 'cause you're so far out of the mainstream.

Are you traveling with CNN?

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Jeff.. If they are mainstream then why does fox

beat CNN and MSNBC and all other cable news shows combined in the ratings? More people watch Fox News then the others in total.. and trust them more than CBS, NBC and ABC..

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/30/fox-news-dominates-3q-200_n_304...

Yep another one from DM's favorite source of info..

"A Public Policy Polling nationwide survey of 1,151 registered voters Jan. 18-19 found that 49 percent of Americans trusted Fox News, 10 percentage points more than any other network."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/32039.html

So which media outlet is mainstream.. I contend the one that the MAJORITY of Americans trust and watch represents Mainstream America.. and that's FOX..

OMG how you people must hate the internet....

So you are the one outside of the Main Jeff.. Sorry.

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FOX is #1 in "Entertainment" cable

CNN is by far #1 in NEWS.

FOX hardly knows the definition of unbiased news!

That is why if I want to laugh and see how far even the stall of women will go to lie and pretend, I watch FOX!
If I want to see straight news, I watch CNN.

Right now more people watch "Reality" shows than anything. That means most of us are screwballs, doesn't it?

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Well don't let the facts get in the way bonkers

A good story is mostly a fairy tale after all.

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Tea Class

80% make under $100,000.
86% have no graduate degree.
77% have no college degree.

100% are republicans.
0% are Independents
0% are democrats.
99.9% are Caucasian (with allowances for two generations back)
0% are Asian.
0% are Hispanic.
0% are Puerto Rican
0% are American Indian
0% are Arabic or Palestinian or Jewish as was Christ.
0% are Pygmies
89.9% own a camper trailer or a pickup or both.
99.9% are NASCAR fans.
99% have never been in battle with our enemies.
100% think of the demonstrations as social affairs
100%, if Bush were running against Obama next time, would vote again for Bush---even if it is illegal.

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Bonko, your sources

will surely be challenged. May as well go ahead and post them up now.

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Sources.. Bunkie don't need no Sources..

He just makes it up as he goes along..

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Oh well Gym, the first grouping is simply the opposite of the stats already posted.

The rest is simply my opinion!
I suggest that you show me some of those I said weren't there!

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GYM

So you are another one of those "source" demanders?

As if "sources" mean anything unless they are facts published by congress with videos! (or released by the RNC Leader).

Some people get all their information from sources such as "The Teas;" Anything Huckabee says; Neil Boortz; Sean Hannity; Rush Limnaugh; Ron Paul; Charles Krauthammer; George Will; Haley Barbout; Dick Cheney; Scooter Libby; Newt Gingrich; Charlie Wilson; (You lie); and anyone on FOX News!

I could have said Al Gore said it, or Joe Biden, or Speaker Nancy Pelosi, or Leader Harry Reid, or Governor Arnold Terminator, but then you wouldn't have believed it as much!

How about "sources say?"

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Great research on the Tea Party!

You mean that the people who answered this survey were 100% telling the truth when they answered the questions and this was in some way verified? Awesome!

I'm not anti-Tea Party(but sure am anti-Fair Tax), but this survey proves nothing at all. People lie/embellish/fudge all the time on surveys.