Ugly Racism - over?

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Ugly Racism - over?

The days of Jackie Robinson and the abuse that he suffered because of his color are over.

Really? The current generation has come a long way in the US since the 40's and 50's. I don't think there is anyone who feels that anyone should take the reported verbal abuse ascribed to Miami Dolphin NFL player, Richie Igcognito. Jonathan Martin has left the Miami Dolphins and Igconito has been suspended.

Incognitos alledgedly said the following :

Incognito Transcript

" Hey, wassup, you half n-----piece of s----I saw you on Twitter, you been training 10 weeks (I want to) s--- in your f---ing mouth. (I'm going to) slap your f---ing mouth. (I'm going to ) slap your real mother across the face (laughter). F-- you, you're still a rookie. I'll kill you.

This was allegedly recorded in 2013.

Jonathan Martin, a teammate of Incognito, is from the LA area. His love for the game evidently does not include taking this kind of verbal abuse in 2013.

He attended a prestigious private secondary school (Harvard Westlake) in the LA area which has a diverse student body and teaching staff. Both parents are graduates of Harvard University. Jonathan attended Stanford.

Jonathan has not shared his reasons for leaving the team. Incognito has apologized for what he considers to be part of the hazing process for 'rookies' in the NFL. As of today, he has been suspended.

Minorities and women of today should not have to be subjected to the (unacceptable) racial slurs of the past.

What a shame. Martin was a second round draft pick out of Stanford. He was also a standout football star for Harvard Westlake.

Jonathan Martin, with a solid academic background, evidently has chosen to seek his path in life excluding pro football.

Incognito's academic background does not indicate that he may have a similar life choice without football.

It appears that two young men with physical skill may be denied a career in football because of an issue which includes racism.

Hazing in various organizations continues. Hazing is a polite word for bullying. While we are helping our young people to stop 'bullying' - what should we do about hazing? Hazing does exist in our public schools. Most adults have experienced some form of hazing. What is a principled approach to this problem? Is the use of racial slurs acceptable?

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Is this a reality in 2013?

or an apparition ?

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Racism - DM

So what's your take of events that led to the arrest of Oriana Farrell and her son in Taos, New Mexico?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYTqPJvW18s

Of interest is the statement she made in her jailhouse letter:

As a single, African-American mother of five in this country, things are tough enough I should not have to endure harassment at the hands of someone who has been hired to protect the citizens of this land over an alleged “speeding offense.” No one should.

Is she implying that because of her race she did no wrong? When should she take responsibility for her actions?

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This woman was stopped because she broke the law by speeding - endangering her life and the life of others. The officer proceeded as he had been trained and she had reasonable options to consider, sign the ticket and go on with her day. She made a wrong decision. You have misinterpreted much of what I have shared here for the past years if you expect me to defend her weak excuse for actions. Today things are tough for any American mother with 5 children regardless of color. She even put her son in danger!

Have a nice day. Hope you get to spend the holidays with family.

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I was just curious to see how you viewed the events that led to her and her son's arrest. The whole thing rapidly spun out-of-control and I suspect we are in agreement as to why.

Like others, I found fault with the officer that fired three rounds at the van as it departed. Yes, he was the last to arrive and there always is that "driven" response to stop a fleeing individual but shooting at the van really wasn't proper. I suppose he knows that now.

I do take issue on her attempt to use the race thingy as a factor in this sad episode. This cheapens its meaning which many have fought long and hard for.

I'm in LA tomorrow; which by the way, have you checked the weather out there lately? Santa Clarita will be down to 32 degrees for the next two nights. Pasadena is down in the mid thirties. That's too cold for the LA area.

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Relatives from Passdena spent Thankgiving with us. What a turn around in weather !!! LOL

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Your relative's friends in Pasadena are going to blame them for bringing the COLD weather to LA.

I got to go and pack for tomorrow. I will take a jacket.

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Cy & Arrest

Wow--talk about a string of bad decisions going South on you! I bet she's still in Jail!

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From what I read, she's out on $10,000 bond. Oh, and she has to appear in court at a later date. It will be interesting to see how that turns out. I'm not sure the status of her son. He was arrested I'm sure for assault on an officer. We'll probably not find out the outcome of that ruling due to his age.

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Yep, and her vacation trip from Tennessee will last a tad longer than she planned for. And a simple "Yes Officer, I'll sign the ticket" would have prevented all this--and all for doing 71 in a 55--they'll give you 10 but not 16!

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It's the culture of violence again

This woman taught her children to disrespect law enforcement, attack them, and try to skirt the law. It is the culture of hate and violence.

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"It is the culture of hate and violence"

She cares nothing for the law. The officer cut her a break by not writing her a ticket for expired license. Typical welfare mom....5-6 kids, public support, teaching their kids to be just like them. If she were white, they would have arrested her before the high speed chase. I'm really sick of the preferential treatment because they are afraid being called racist. (which she did anyway) We don't owe them preferential treatment. She had drugs and had been arrested for drunk driving before. So typical.

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New Mexico Arrest

Can't help but wonder how, if she was having such a tough time as a single Mother of 5,she could afford a trip from Tennessee to New Mexico with 5 kids in a Mini-van. But her decision-making ability is clearly deficient.

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if you don't work

and are on gov support, you have all the time in the world to explore, and time and money are no object. I think I've told everyone, I've been out of state a lot, managing an elderly relative's properties. She had over 50 houses and trailers. Because she was over 90, she couldn't go chase them down for the rent so she rented to Section 8. I have done this for going on 2 years now. I've thrown most of the Section 8 renters out. I have seen these people first hand, and unless you have, it is really hard to comprehend what a ride the American public is being taken for.

Very few work, it is a program that once you get on, you can stay on for life. There is no time limit. Unlike SS you don't have to earn it, and the more kids you have, the bigger the house, the bigger the house, the better the neighborhood. (Weiland in back of Publix in Tyrone). The gov, (us) house them very well. Once you get on that, you also get WICS, food stamps, etc. The sad thing is, this program in the beginning, was designed to help the working poor, mildly retarded, elderly, and it had time limits. It was designed to be a hand up, but the housing authority, etc, got involved and said you couldn't throw them off cause they were lazy and took out the time limits. I've sent in 16 page rap sheets on some of them I threw out, only for Section 8 to write them another voucher after I let S8 know they tore our property to smithers.
They have a sense of entitlement that is off the ricter scale. Most have ex con boyfriends. They might be the scariest thing about it. Never the less, I throw them out. I believe in my heart that the people we have living around them deserve better than to come home to a robbed house.

I really can't stand them, and if for that, some here would say I'm racist....oh well.
Because of the spawning...their total is now up to 13% of the population.
The middle class has been destroyed by taking care of them. It is a sad thing and should be exposed for what it is.

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suggarfoot - So

sell your property, get out of this business and find one that is not dependent on you or your property. By participating, you support it.

Then go out and organize against government dependency programs by electing those that will abolish them.

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as I said

what I've done is throw them out. I don't blame my relative, but I have a choice. And that is what I've done, made a choice not to participate. That is what my whole tirade was about. I won't be a part of it, it is demoralizing.

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Section 8 and Welfare

Believe it or not - groups have worked for years trying to get these programs to provide a 'hand-up' rather than a 'hand-out'. You can do your own research to see in some states, what politicians worked against such reforms. Power in our country and others has depended on an uneducated, poor constituency remaining 'poor and uneducated'. Since the Civil Rights movement - it has become apparent that the poor and uneducated come in all colors in the United States. What is happening to one of the contributors to this discussion is not, unfortunately unique. There are Section 8 homes throughout the US - some in 'Beverly Hills' like communities. The inhabitants of these 'homes' come in all colors. Racism would not be accused if situations were dealt with based on reforms instituted that would stop fraud and corruption.

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Culture of hate and violence

As long as there are Americans who identify 'hate and violence' as belonging to those of a certain 'race' rather than a criminal/hateful element in our society - there will continue to be problems in race relations in our country. We work with 'white and black' persons (we - meaning well meaning white and black Americans) daily to point out that the American culture is not one of 'hate and violence' perpetuated by the 'white and/or black American citizens of 2013. The culture of hate and violence is perpetuated by criminals and haters - and there is no color barrier to the minority of citizens in our country who fit this category. There are some religions/philosophies that teach that man is made in the image and likeness of God. There are those individuals in our history (history of mankind) that have exemplified the goodness, love, compassion and understanding of one who reflects the image and likeness of God. We have been fortunate in our lifetime to witness individuals who were able to be better reflections than most. Many should realize that feelings about preferential treatment feed into the philosophy of hate and violence - using hate and violence to 'get back'. MLK, Mandela and many, many others recognized the destructive results of 'revenge' or 'get even' attitude. Nonviolence assisted the US to make a change in how it treated fellow citizens.

Of course people who have experienced the result of a preferential, segregated existence understand the feelings of those who feel others receive preferential treatment today. It is too bad that the US did not go through a reconciliation period after the Civil Rights movement. The younger generation is our hope in making continued progress in race relations in the US.

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So, DM

What are you going to do about the crime boiling up in your neck of the woods?

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PTCO - Continue working with the

citizens and leaders of Fayetteville. PTCO, I'm from LA. Crime is not 'boiling up' in Fayetteville. As I stated before, Fayetteville is a community of haves - being attacked by the 'have nots'. PTC seems to have areas of 'have nots' within your city limits. What are you doing to address this? Your city also has residents on the 'arrest' reports.

THERE ARE 59 CHURCHES AND 12 FAYETTE COUNTY CIVIC AND BUSINESS ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE COLLECTING FOOD AND DRY GOODS FOR CITIZENS IN FAYETTE COUNTY. THE FAYETTE COUNTY SAMARITANS WILL DISTRIBUTE THESE ITEMS. THE SAMARITANS GIVE TO THOSE WHO HAVE AN IMMEDIATE NEED - AND DO NOT PROVIDE DEPENDENCE ON THEIR ORGANIZATION.

LOOK IT UP!! ITEMS ARE TO BE DELIVERED BY DECEMBER 23rd.

Have a happy holiday!!

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Have Nots? DM

I do what I do every year about this time. You should think about the have nots like those in Haiti and the Philippines. Now, those are "have nots" DM. I think the Samaritans are a great bunch of folks and they do a great job for our local families in need, but they are far, far from "have nots".

Besides, we're talking about crime DM, in Fayetteville, specifically HWY 319 and 85 HWY north. What are you doing about it? let's see some tangible action on your part, let's hear about it!

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Thank you for helping the families in Haiti. My friends who have adopted Haitian children here in Fayetteville also thank you. There is a group here who monthly assist the Haitian people - as my family does. However, these actions are done out of LOVE - not for publicity. wahaa wahaa wahaa

As for Fayetteville - I communicate with those who can do something and ARE DOING something about the crime in Fayetteville - the Mayor, and the Police Chief. It works here in Fayetteville. Our leaders listen and act.

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DM - Haiti

If you've been to Haiti, you know the meaning of "have nots".

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A couple points here, first, it's hwy 314, second is you don't go far up either hwy before you are in the county, not the city. Last time I checked Fayetteville isn't responsible for the county area, no matter what the mailing address says.

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Hutch866 - Thanks

You're correct of course, thanks for the clarification.

My point was, that it's the residents of that end of the county that need to bring some pressure on those that use those corridors for criminal intent. I think one thing that would help a lot are cameras that are activated only when there is a report of a crime. The intent would be to capture fleeing vehicles descriptions and tag numbers.

The same thing could be accomplished with a "rolling" text alert to citizens that live along these two corridors.

Any other ideas from those that live up on this end of the county should be directed to the police department Fayetteville or the County. Our aim should be to make it difficult to come south to Fayette County to commit crime.

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Yet again you seem to feel Fayetteville has some kind of responsibility for the area north of the city. I don't remember seeing reports of crime on the north end of the county with the perps fleeing south.

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Hutch866 - Responsibility

Depends on where the crime is committed, if it's committed in Fayetteville and the criminal flees outside the city limits, then there are two or more law enforcement entities responsible. Naturally, if it happens outside the city limits Fayetteville has no responsibility but it certainly should have an interest on what is happening.

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I think Sheriff Babb pretty has it under control--why don't we let him do his job without mindless cmts like those from Josef Shelbayeh who clearly has no clue what our law officials face on a daily basis and no idea what the criminal element possesses in firepower. Josef, don't know what your background is, but clearly you know zero about today's criminal element and the firepower they possess. Trust your elected Sheriff--he's doing a good job of preparing/equipping his employees with equipment to do their daily job and handle unexpected situations.

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She isn't doing anything about it. She thinks it's all whitey's fault. She and her racist cronies of the NAAKKKP are too busy trying to drag us back to the 50's with there racist, segregationism.

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Am I the only one who, when I start reading most of DM's blogs,

start to hear the sound from Peanuts' cartoons when parents are talking-----WAHH, WAHH, WAHH, WAHH, WAHH?

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Crime

Crime in the black community is an epidemic. Get back to us when white people are not FOURTEEN TIMES more likely to be victims of black on white crime than white on white crime. Get back to us when the minority population stops committing 52% of all crime.

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If Obama had a sister she'd look like Oriana. LOL

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What an astute observation! Thanks for sharing. (By the way, Obama does have a sister - don't see a resemblance - but respect your observation.)

http://www.barackobama.net/barack-obama-sister.htm

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Half sister, different father, same mother.

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New Mexico Van Chase

As Oriana Ferrell's court case draws near she reaches out to the media and….

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/dash-cam-catches-single-mothers-traffic-...

Lets see, the officer tells her to turn off her vehicle and she thinks it's OK to drive off.

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Hey, Cy

I think the timer on the dryer in the laundromat was buzzing telling her that her head towels were now dry and she heard the buzzer from the van and knew that was the most pressing issue facing her the rest of the day since just in case someone decided they would want to steal those dry, soft towels from the now finished dryer and she could not bear to part with them. I am sure any judge will understand her predicament.

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Hey moe,

Yeah right.

Although I see her defense team is questioning wether a member of the grand jury was impartial as that individual had a family member who is a LEO. Let's see how that plays out.

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"Like others, I found fault

"Like others, I found fault with the officer that fired three rounds at the van as it departed. Yes, he was the last to arrive and there always is that "driven" response to stop a fleeing individual but shooting at the van really wasn't proper. I suppose he knows that now."

I disagree. The officers saw it was a high speed chase through town and tried to prevent it by shooting out the tires. What she did was really scary, she was going through a town at a high rate of speed and could have killed a carload of someone else's kids, even if she didn't care that much for her own.

I hope they put her under the jail. She could have left someone dead or paralyzed for the rest of their lives. He tried to cut her a break. He stated on the tape her drivers license was expired and he wasn't even gonna charge her with that. She was really stupid

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Hey Suggarfoot - Fault

Yes, what she did was incredibly stupid and she and her son should pay whatever price the law of the realm will apply. However, trying to disable her fleeing van by shooting out a tire with his service revolver is....well is way outside of normal prudent procedures. His superiors reasoned that as well. I noticed another officer had pull his service revolver but yet withheld fire.

BTW, that tire offered a very small target for a hand gun and if it was a 9mm round it most likely would not have penetrated the rotation tread nor the steel belted tire casing. But hey, it does work in the movies.

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Cy & New Mexico Chase

The words "single mother of 5" and her appearance says a lot--the fact that she didn't comply with ANY of the Officer's instructions and fails to realize or admit that says much more.

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Hey Gym,

Her appearance was staged and approved by her attorney(s). The incrementing portion of the video was edited out. Of interest was her Trevon Martin reference. She is a real work of art.

Sounds like you had a great trip to the Big Sky Country.

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Cy & Big Sky Country

Oh yea--beautiful weather and family all doing great. Not much fun traipsing thru SLC to change terminals/gates with only a 30 min layover! Not much fun getting home at 2230 either after being in the air tvl mode all day!

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Gym Transiting thru SLC

Yes, SLC and connecting flights are sometimes tough because of the distance between the gates. When I can, I try to find better flight combinations but as you know with limited flights to certain cities it does not always work. Good to have you back!!!!

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Cy & transiting thru SLC

Yeah, I called Delta prior to leaving KBIL & asked about earlier flight to both SLC & ATL but was told would have to upgrade to 1st class and pay a flight change fee--said "No thank you!" Clark Howard sez SWA is only airline not charging for flight changes and rumors are that the fee is about to rise to $200!

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Gym - SWA aka LUV

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