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Davids mom
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I applaud Obama for standing against the use of chemical warfare. However, the memory of the fiasco of WMD's and the 'proof' that Iraq had them stored is still fresh in the minds of many. . . and how irrefutable evidence was presented by the Republican administration. No troops on the ground/ and effective 'action' - what does that look like? (The attack on Khadafi's household?). How transparent can a debate in Congress be? Those of you who travel and have acquaintances in Damascus know how frightened they are of the possibility of a US strike. Are citizens being allowed to leave possible targeted areas - or will the strike be like that on Hiroshima? What is the righteous action in this scenario ? Will Congress represent the will of the people? What is the will of the people?

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Reinventing History....
Davids mom wrote:

However, the memory of the fiasco of WMD's and the 'proof' that Iraq had them stored is still fresh in the minds of many. . . and how irrefutable evidence was presented by the Republican administration

Apparently DM has forgotton that the Clinton Administration and EVERY SINGLE DEMOCRAT under that Administration
said the WMD's where there as well. It was ONLY under Bush that they pretended they never said that so.....

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Trust

The fact of the matter is, Barack 'Red Line' Obama has proven himself to be untrustworthy and Americans have grown weary as he lies to us on a daily basis. He doesn't care about the Syria or for America, for that matter. He only cares about saving face and his own political legacy, which is being flushed down the toilet right before his eyes. He's inept, incompetent, untrustworthy, and he has shown himself to be unable to handle the job of POTUS. If he was a man and truly cared about anything or anyone other than himself, he would resign and let someone else more competent fix the mess he has made.

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Hussein was a masterful deceiver

The universal scare of WMD in Iraq demonstrated how deceptively effective Saddam Hussein's chicanery was. He needed Iran to believe that he had that monumental arsenal to avert attacks from the Shiites. I think that Americans of all political persuasions were taken in. Unfortunately, President Bush acted on the mirage.

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Uh No stf.....

... you don't remember Clinton bombing the Asprin factory thinking they were making Chemical Warfare weapons?

How many dead civilians did that cause?

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Clarification SL

To clarify, I should have differentiated Clinton and Bush about their sending of troops into Iraq. Only both Bushes did that. I was not actually criticizing Bush so much as marveling that Hussein was so masterful in his charade.

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I too am against chemical warfare. So, what should we do?

Here's what you don't do:
1. Telegraph your intentions so the enemy has time to move his air defense weapons into and around the civilian population.
2. Lob some missiles in that will explode and disperse the contents of the chemical weapons among the civilian population
3. Have different members of your cabinet offer conflicting and impractical strategies in public.

What I would do is take a page out of every President from Eisenhower through Clinton - and that is:
Arm the rebels if that's who you want to win. They are already fighting and are already the so-called boots on the ground(the only way anyone will ever find and capture the chemical weapons). Give them tanks, portable ground to ground missiles, rocket launchers, even some aircraft - anything to help them get into power and get rid of the dictator. It is called a proxy war if it is transparent and if the President doesn't want transparency, he can simply deny that it is happening - like this one and other ones have done, although this President has to be the all-time champion of denial. FDR may have been a little bit better, but he had more time in office.
Then, after the proxy war ends, the rebels can appoint their own dictator and he can use those weapons against Israel and even us in the future.

Don't like that? How about this?
This is what Bush did:
Go to the UN and use your charismatic and eloquent UN Ambassador (who is it that Obama has up there now?) to present positive proof that these chemical weapons were there. Then get some support from other countries, get a UN resolution against the targeted dictator and when he violates those resolutions 15 or 20 times invade his country. Of course this gives him time to move the weapons across his border into, well, Syria, but hey, we tried.

Ok, that didn't work out too well and it is recent and so very Republican with the nation-building step at the end, so let's go with this:
Final answer:

Stay the hell out of another country's civil war unless it presents a clear and present danger to the United States. It is perfectly fine to make human rights speeches and get Congress to condemn the use of chemical weapons, but try and remember that this is not our civil war and neither the regime or the rebels are going to be strong US allies. Let them chew each other up and we can deal with what is left - or the Saudis can.
Got it? Very simple. Oh yea, let's require mandatory remedial history classes for everybody serving in the White House or Cabinet. Especially if you appoint people like Hagel, Kerry and Rice .Wouldn't hurt to have the press corp attend those classes as well.

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RWM-I'll take door number 3

I vote for option 3. Except, I'd cut off all aid to Syria, we need the money here anyway. Every time we get involved in Arab Springs problems we get it in the end. I see where DM applauds Obama for his stand. Figures, she'd applaud his ability to get dressed by himself. (If he could) This buffoon (Obama) is going to lead us into a war that we have no interest in. Doesn't the fact that our allies won't even support us in this tell us something? And remember Iran is Syria's closest ally and they have nuclear weapons.

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Stay the hell out of another country's civil war unless it presents a clear and present danger to the United States. It is perfectly fine to make human rights speeches and get Congress to condemn the use of chemical weapons, but try and remember that this is not our civil war and neither the regime or the rebels are going to be strong US allies. Let them chew each other up and we can deal with what is left

It looks like the majority of American's agree with you. It may be wisdom to listen to our allies and the American people (through Congress) and express our horror at 100,000 dead in the course of this Civil War; the use of unlawful chemicals; etc. through speeches, etc. .. . and wait until the US is in imminent danger. Other presidents have waited - Rawanda, Germany. Only Truman had the leverage to 'act' (Japan) Bushes ( I and II) and Johnson's action involved us in many years of war.

. . . and we lost many Americans in our Civil War - without other countries intervening., It will be interesting how history judges our actions during these perilous times. There does not appear to be any easy answers. Thanks for sharing.

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Words never to be uttered

by any Commander in Chief, ever.

"I will make the best case that I can". Speaking today about his speech to the American people on a month from Tuesday....I mean next Tuesday.

May heaven help this United States of AMERICA for the next 1159 days.

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MLC & Syria Smart Talk

While I rarely agree with Thomas Friedman,today's column in the AJC makes more sense than what is coming out of the Administration. I mean when the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs doesn't know what the Objective would be if we struck Syria, we're in a hell-of-a-mess with certified amateurs in charge!

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JCOS Gym

Well, heck. Dempsey didn't sign on for this. He thought he would just sit in an office at the Pentagon for 4 years, as his boss just said, "I was elected to end wars, not start them".

Here we have Russia on it's way to Syria with a "special cargo" on one of it's ships.

How about a real POTUS who would let Putin know we have some "special cargo" on it's way, too...

http://youtu.be/phzRY0DdRXk

Of course, like so many are saying, "What is the plan on the NEXT day, Barry?"

Duhhhhhhh.....

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Amazing

That the "president" of this country would ever make a statement like this:

“My credibility is not on the line. The international community’s credibility is on the line,” Obama said at a press conference in Stockholm, Sweden. “And America and Congress’s credibility is on the line.”

He is correct about one thing though. His credibilty could never be on the line. What miniscule amount there ever was went down the toilet and into the Potomac years ago.

Offer up the international community, America and Congress, but never himself. Now, that is the mark of a leader. The buck sure makes no stops there. What a spineless, petulant, empty suit this poser is.

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But what are we, the American People

concerned about? How do we feel about the past? Concentration camps in Germany; slaughter in Rawanda; homicide in Japan; (Atom bomb)

What is needed here is the wisdom of Solomon. Do we wait until chemical weapons are used on US soil - and it's our children who are being depicted in those horrible videos that are being shown on TV today? What will history say about the international community? Syria is experiencing a Civil War - and accused of using weapons that the international community has outlawed for humanitarian reasons. What other actions can be taken to stop this horror? Sanctions? ?????????????

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