Has Mike King changed?

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Davids mom
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Is this the same Mike King?

http://www.thecitizen.com/node/7326

S. Lindsey
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Why do you ask?

Just wondering...

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perhaps our resident troll is going to get involved in PTC

politics. After all, according to her racishness doesn't Mike making remarks against Obama make him a racist and therefore unfit for office? Guess Fayetteville does not need any helo right now, or maybe she feels it is time to branch out. Whatever I am sure it will include race in some manner. Why else would she be digging back to that old post. bubble, bubble, toil and trouble--the pot is boiling.

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S.Lindsey, it looks more like

S.Lindsey, it looks more like the nonsense you write about.

Maybe Mike King was stuck in traffic, the day he posted that, and overdosed on ‘right wing radio’ programming. It’s probably not his finest hour, eh?

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Well hello Gort how is my favorite Clown?

Just doing a drive by hit job or do you intend to stick around and debate something, anything...?

Do you even have a point....Or are you just pointless.

I think the latter is more like it...

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SLindsey, the point was

SLindsey, the point was exactly what I said it was. The dribble Mike King wrote in that post, reads more like something you are known for writing about. You know what I mean, ‘regurgitated right wing gibberish.’ Like I said, that post was probably not Mike King’s finest hour.

Now don’t get me wrong, just because Mike King was seduced by the “TeaParty” cult to recite right wing gibberish, to further the cause of the Republican Party, does not make him a bad candidate for PTC council. In fact, I wish him the best of luck in the upcoming election.

If Mike King does get elected to council on his first attempt, some people may say his ‘middle name’ must be “Lucky.” If he does a good job while serving on council, maybe they will name a street after him.

Think about it, it’s probably the best chance ever to get a street in PTC named, ….MLK Blvd. (Heh, heh, heh!)

See you in the funny papers SLindsey!

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Nah... The funnies is where you reside

as for me... I tend to live in reality. But you go ahead I am sure you are comfortable there.

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Gort & Elections

Mike ran once before and didn't make it--maybe the paper didn't get to your dead end street in Coweta! Maybe you just missed the latest meeting of the Weight Watchers Group!

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Whats the problem DM?

Everything he said was/is factually true, not something Obumbels can say with a straight face. I will take a decorated veteran any day over the current no experience, lair in chief. You have no Dog in this Hunt, you don't live here and your comments are like pouring H2O into a sieve. They don't hold WATER and are a waste of time. Stick with what you know best,
Racism, Division and Pity.

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Very impressive

Candidate. Just exposing the character of a FEW supporters. There are residents of PTC of varied ideologies, and not personally knowledgeable of all candidates. PTC is a reputable and well known city in Fayette County and comparing local politicians with national politicians is not necessary. Everyone is well aware that FC is a conservative Republican county. Residents of PTC or Fayetteville want to know how their local leaders will govern. Mr. King has responded honestly with dignity in the past, IMO.

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DM, I swore i would never respond to anything you ever posted

but I am making an exception this time. You have really gone too far and really shown your true colors as a troublemaker; now there is no doubt in anyone's mind what you really are about. Peachtree City does not need you to point out anything about any of our candidates. We are all capable of making our own decisions. This goes to prove that all your crap, and yes it is crap, that you expound is for one purpose and one purpose only--to cause dissention. Well, honey chile, it ain't working. We are not listening to you, we don't give a tinker's damn what you think of our candidates or anything else.
When you can show that you have the impressive military credentials that Mr. King has then maybe you will earn the right to express what you think of him. Oh, wait, did I miss it? Did you fly with the Tuskeegee airmen? Did you earn your wings and a chest full of medals? Mr. King has the credentials and he also has too much character to respond to you. So I will step in without being asked by Mr. King, who I have had the pleasure of meeting and conversing with and found him to be a true gentleman.
There must be a march somewhere that you are missing? Why don't you check into that and leave Peachtree City alone? We seem to have gotten along all this time without your help. If we find that we do need your wisdom and knowledge as the political race heats up---we will call you. Don't call us.

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MYTMITE

You should be thanking DM. Don't you know that her non-endorsement is the best thing that could happen to Mr King!!! I mean I don't live in PTC but if I did her non-endorsement would guarantee my vote for him.

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G35DUDE, you are so right. What was i thinking? Of course

anyone with an ounce of common sense would run away from anyone she endorsed. I just really get a kick out of her when she spouts all her touchy feely junk and then goes back several years to bring up something Mr. King posted back then. More and more I feel she is a paid/unpaid shill for some organization---can we say NAACP??--otherwise how would she even be aware of that article??? And why the interest in someone running in PTC? Yep, she sure likes to keep the race issue front and center even when it is not plausable.

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A touch of class

Mytmite style:

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Well, honey chile, it ain't working. We are not listening to you, we don't give a tinker's damn what you think of our candidates or anything else.

LOL!

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Hey, fellow bloggers, she likes me, she really, really likes me!

She said I had a touch of class and even quoted something I had written! I am so excited---can hardly contain myself-----and to think she is now interested in Peachtree City politics and might be getting set to straighten us out. Of course Mike King will have to take back what he said about Obama, but that might be a small price to pay to have her backing him. How did we get so lucky???

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Dear local Racist/ Race Baiter

Let's hope that Mike King hasn't changed. As long as he keeps telling the truth he will get my vote.

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Great! He is above name calling! That's what government needs!

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DM - Why

do you ask?

I don't believe you're relevant to the discussion. Unless you want to move to PTC and vote.

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Why?

Because I was sincerely impressed with his war record. I have always felt that gentlemen with that type of experience and knowledge gained from life usually make good leaders that can get things done. Any leader in Fayette County is a representative of the entire county, IMO. It appears that a small group of citizens who live in PTC spend a lot of time discussing FC concerns. (Even though when there is an election, the results don't always represent some of the opinions voiced in some discussions.

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I see DM

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Are you going to move to PTC? PTC is in Fayette county, but PTC is a City after all, so...... I don't see where it concerns you. I don't think that Mr. Haddix would be considered a "leader in Fayette County" by any measure.

I would welcome you to move here and express your views on how the city should be run.

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Mr Haddix

is considered a leader in Fayette County just like Mr Steele was. ( KenSteele) Former mayor of Fayetteville.

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district voting

"Any leader in Fayette County is a representative of the entire county"

Not the way he/she and the NAACP wnt to have it. We will be carved up so anyone in another area won't have much to say about DM and the NAACP's little Utopia they carve out in North Fayette County. They will use their same blue print as in Dekalb, S Fulton, and Clayton. What a wonderful world it will be.

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District 5

Maybe we should just have a fence build around district 5 so that the vermin stay to the north and migrate the dysfunction into Clayton County. If we are lucky, Clayton will annex District 5 into their version of utopia. District 5 is destined to look something like district 9 eventually.

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Fred Garvin

Can we isolate you in a similar manner? Your idea illicits visions of Gulags, Internment Camps.

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I think DM needs to change her name to fish, she flip flops so much. One day FayCo is a wonderful place for all to live. The next day it is a bastion of white supremacy. Ask her to explain how district voting will improve FayCo other than just putting a person of color on the board and she'll call you naive, childish, and immature. Then she'll call Haddix and Steele leaders but say that Herman Cain and Alan West are not. Ask if Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton are her leaders and she'll explain that black people look up to parents and church leaders as their leaders. So I guess Haddix and Steele must preach at her place of worship. Complain about the racist policies of the NAACP and she'll attempt to separate the local chapter from the national. By now you should know what she's about. Once the NAACP has divided FayCo up into 5 districts they can work on taking over one district at a time until FayCo is just ClayCo south.

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PTC, if you believe that reply I have some wonderful swamp land

I have been trying to unload for some time. Why would she even research Mike King to find that article that was certainly not recent? Still trying to stir the pot as usual, but won't work here. Yes, if we interested in what happens to Fayette County because we are part of Fayette County---not Fayetteville. Lame excuse to cover the real motives. Mike was not an Obama fan in his blog, ergo, he must be racist????

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MYTMITE - So?

So, you think she is calling Mr. King a racist? I didn't see that.

She's simply a progressive and Mr. Obama is the Godfather of the New Progressive Movement. You know, increasing the government dole is the mainstay of the Progressive Movement, race is a mere tool in the Progressive toolbox, that's all.

Don't get too upset about it, but I would start asking Mr. King some tough questions. Like what is this new Public Safety Director going to do? What are the goals, how will these goals be measured, to whom will the position report, what will the position pay?

Perhaps DM will apply for the newly created job that our local government will provide, but only if we hire her a staff of course. After all, the government is there to create jobs, right?

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PTC, maybe you are right on the racist thing. I am not sure

who I will be voting for at this time. I just didn't want our friend to think that we are so dense here that we are not on to her. I am afraid she would not be available for any appointments to positions in PTC government as she will be too busy attending her rallies, etc. But then I guess that staff could send her e-mail explaining what she had done, or they had done in her name--sort of like some of those in Atlanta seem to be doing/have done. Yep, wonder if she did not really realize that Fayetteville and Fayette County are two different entities or just coming up with the first excuse she could find for butting into PTC politics.

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Race as a mere tool
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race is a mere tool in the Progressive toolbox, that's all.

The Progressives initiated The Southern Strategy via Lee Atwater? Interesting.

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DM - I am

afraid that you are living the the past DM, I believe I said New Progressives? Yes, it is interesting isn't it?

Now, we're equating Mr. King to Gov. G. Wallace? Even the most naive can see through this comparison, I mean you don't even have to be half witted. I suppose there are some on this board that are less than half witted. Unfortunately, they may vote.

When are you moving to PTC?

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PTCO... of course the half wits vote...

...the results of the last election proves it..

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What?
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[Now, we're equating Mr. King to Gov. G. Wallace? Even the most naive can see through this comparison

George Wallace? Please explain. (Oh I see, you're referring to someone else's post (sft). Someone with his (King's) war record should never be spoken of in the same breath with the likes of George Wallace. Are you people really supporting him? (King) Ah - instead of sharing his strengths , now begins the name-calling. Classy. Articulate. Full-witted responses.

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I thought you would love George Wallace DM...

...After all Democrats love those "Reformed" Racist... SENATOR Byrd ring any bells?

Oh btw- GC was a Democrat, elected by Democrats, supported by Democrats so......

But I guess he was one of "those" guys that was a Democrat that turned into a Republican... No wait...

Nope he was a Democrat until the day he died so.....

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i do remember this DM

thank you. I read everything you post and appreciate you sharing your insight and research. this is one of the attitudes m king displays and interesting enough other postings before his announcement have been far more troublesome. guess you noticed some of his supporters were against him then. as I pointed out earlier guess the 'whackadooles ' steered him in to the local pub instead of mimi's when he made his decision to run for office.

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Pumpkin

It's interesting how on certain issues some persons are not consistent. A few of these 'bloggers' were supportive of Haddix in the past. I know my next observation will cause a fire storm, but PTC's politics remind me very much of Atlanta's politics of past years. Corruption, cronyism, etc. abound! The mayor of Fayetteville and Fayetteville's law enforcement listen to concerned citizens, take reasonable researched action with dignity. PTC is the star of Fayette County. This will continue as long as the cart paths and shopping centers are highlighted, and not the politics. The citizens are the losers when leaders are weak. How? Property values drop - in spite of economics. The dropping of property value/excellence in 'community' as viewed by others regarding PTC affects FC. IMO. Pumpkin, we're not alone in our thinking. Yes, there are Obama haters in PTC - but it is more on expressed pride in Republicanism than is abject racism. Base your opinion on how your neighbors treat you - not the ignorance which is just too easy to illicit on this site. LOL.

PS: we may not always agree on issues- and that is how it should be, it's hard, but I've found just recently that name- calling and an attempt to denigrate diminishes the argument. Believe me- I find it very, very difficult at times to follow my own advice!

:-)!!!!!!

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DM My Mayor

one never really knows how they may change their views when once they put themselves out there for public office and are ELECTED. our president and our mayor did that and mayor haddix has been a resident for longer probably that some of these posters are old. He has followed, voted, spoken publicably as well as anonymous for the betterment of this city. talk about politics, i am sure you saw what was going on 15 plus years back and it was not pretty. as a citizen we dont see the whole story some information is confidential there are road blocks we were unaware of. our mayor and president have had to change their minds or have become more educated with all the information which may have help their understanding, the media is another story. in my 50 plus years voting and being in line with my parents as a child while they voted you hear it all. i worked in city hall and i can assure you it gets difficult.

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So true !

As you study history, you find how leaders were often unaware of the reality of the local or national situation until they were actually involved in governing . It is easier to criticize and/or report! (And usually decision free )

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Looking back 15 years with pumpkin

You stumbled across something very interesting when you said you saw what was going on 15 years ago and it was not pretty. 15 years ago was the tail end of the Lenox administration in Peachtree City and what was going on (pretty or not) was the end of political involvement by the true leaders and founders of the city. Some of the originals like Floy Farr and Joel Cowan were winding down and focused more on volunteerism than city building. City staff was experienced and savvy and they had a great working relationship with the developer, who was also winding down here in order to focus on other projects.

The "good old boy"network as I still call some of them to their face (affectionately) were in full swing with social events through the Endowment Committee for the Cultural Arts - with talk of building a performance venue for the Arts. They also had their hand in business dealings through the Development Authority, Peachtree National Bank, Group VI, Chamber of Commerce and others. Here's where it begins to fall apart. These guys (yes guys) were all successful business people used to being in control and in many cases the end justifying the means was a way of life. Little details like who really has the authority to write bonds and fund projects and collect taxes were just that - little details to be worked around and through as long as everybody was on board - and everybody on the inside was definitely on board.

Mayors Frady, Brown (the real one) and Lexox routinely appointed the good old boys to various posts simply because they knew everybody was on the same page - growing Peachtree City. This was referred to at the time as "Public Service" and that was an accurate description. Some of the shortcuts taken and wink, wink, nod, nod activities were shown to be inappropriate (even when well-intentioned) and yes illegal - or as I prefer to call it - technically illegal, simply to annoy the do-gooders. So when the 1990 wave of immigrants to Peachtree City settled in and noticed they were not given a seat at the table by the good old boys - possibly because they wined about the airport, they whined about the industrial part, they whined about the Photocircuit's chemical spill. This made them unhappy and they went on some serious witch hunts and because of the aforementioned lackadaisical approach by the good old boys - they found their witches. Did they ever.

So then the 2001 assault of Brown, Rapson, Weed and Tenant (BRAWN _ we are here to clean the mess that the Good Old Boys caused) combined with the reluctance of the well-heeled old timers to fight the trend and the distaste people had for gotcha politics combined with the city losing valuable experienced staff and institutional memory and yes - professionalism, the downward spiral began. Why people say every election (including this one ) "Is this the best we can do?" Well, yes, under the current circumstance, it is as good as it will ever be.

Now of course we have former best buddies Brown and Rapson alive and well in Fayette County government possibly positioned on opposing sides of the great water fiasco. And we have many retired and semi-retired and deceased old-time community leaders sitting on their hands doing nothing much to help us get clean water. Back in the 1980's Mayor Brown would make a few phone calls if we had a crisis like this and there would be a roomful of influential people with checkbooks, work crews or materials ready willing and able to help, Sadly those days are gone.

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Mr Morgan

Great insight into the history of PTC politics. Thanks!

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You are quite welcome, Mom

You may be able to tell that my pet peeve is people not learning the lessons of history. Whether it be the next quagmire in the sand that awaits us in Syria or unintended consequences we get from knee-jerk decisions that local politicians make. Worse IMHO is the aftermath of an uninformed public that is allowed to and even encouraged to vote at every level with no sense of history or even a logical thought process.

Unfortunately there are people a lot smarter than I that recognize all this and use the uninformed or misinformed voter for their own personal agenda - whether it be financial gain or ego-gratification. True public service has gone away and I think that is sad.

I'll also include The Citizen in my diatribe about gadfly Brown and the changing of the culture. Reporting the news accurately and allowing differing points of view to be expressed are high-minded and noble ideas and no one would ever quibble about that. But by giving Steve Brown his soapbox for several years knowing (or you should have known - as I did) that the real movers and shakers within Peachtree City were not about to offer counter arguments or contrary opinions in order to keep behind the scenes - a common trait among all true public servants and benefactors. In other words, the presentation was one-sided and seldom more than one person's opinion. The divisive Obama-syled campaign portraying Brown as an outsider and the inexplicable decision to have a Delta pilot be the establishment candidate got Brown elected mayor. Emboldened, the gadfly morphed into a bully. Enacting an illegal moratorium on all development and building was bad enough, but attacking the late Tom Farr knowing that his father Floy was still with us and quite active was a despicable act which will be remembered forever by a great many of us backbenchers.

Of course the advent of these blogs where opposing views abound and The Citizen's revised policies on opinion and political letters guarantee that something similar will not happen again, but that too is part of history.

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Good Stuff RWM

I've lived here in PTC since the late '70s and you do a good job of describing how the city evolved to where it is now and who was responsible for it. You and Carolyn Cary oughta get together, put pen to paper and write a book about PTC. I'm from a small town and like PTC there were a core group of folks who knew how to get things done. Yeah, maybe as you say some wink wink nod nod but the town was better off for it and everyone knew it. Sad to think how PTC went from Brown (The Real One) to The Clown we have now. And sad to see folks fall for the populist bull that Brown (The Not Real One) and The Clown preach. Alexis de Tocqueville was right....we get the government we deserve.

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You'll be happy to know that a book is being written

It isn't Carolyn, but she may have been interviewed for it as was I with several other business people last fall. That's why my memory of 15 years ago was fairly decent - you get in a group setting and everyone is reminded of things and some of the missing pieces fall into place. Practically everyone remembered the Friends of Tom group and John D's BUM t-shirts. BUM - Brown Unfit Mayor. Funny stuff. The disrespect was well-earned and no one considered it the least bit disrespectful - then or now.

I got the impression that some one or some group had put up some seed money to research this book since the interviews were being conducted by several different people and they were very professional. All interviews taped, signed releases, background bio supplied by each person being interviewed. My niece works for a company in Washington that does this same thing - although not involved on the PTC project.

I don't know when the book will be written or when it will be published, but I would hate for the last line of the book to be "And then, at the last minute, Mrs. Haddix decided to run for city council."

City as nice as this, we deserve a happy ending - not just a funny one.

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That's Great RWM!

I look forward to reading it when it comes out. There is a pretty good book about PTC's history you may have seen published by Arcadia Publishing. It's part of their Images Of America series. All pictures with captions. (You might be in it!) I'm sure the CVB or City Hall has it for sale. I think I bought my copy at the City Library. But the book you are talking about would be fascinating coming from the people who were at Ground Zero when PTC was incorporated and the subsequent years. Let us know when it is published. I shudder to think a book about this great city would end with what you said. How about "And on November 5, 2013 the Haddix Era came to an end with the crushing defeat of Don Haddix in his reelection bid as well as Cathy Haddix in her first and last bid for City Council. After the votes were counted, Haddix called Harold Logsdon to congratulate him on his victory followed by a call from Cathy Haddix to Kim Learnard congratulating her on her reelection."

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No, No, No! No Reruns, No Retreads!

We don't need another 4 years of Otis Campbell for Mayor.
Been there, Done that, Got the t-shirt and it cost us a Cool Million!
Just Say No!

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RWM

Its the kind of committed citizen that you wrote about that we have to engage again. We do that by being responsible public servants. Once we restore honor and dignity to our government, we should start to see that kind of dedication creep back in. The key is picking a mayor that has not burned all (or most) of his bridges.

http://www.dienhartformayor.com/

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Thanks George, but it is not about me

You are 100% correct that restoring honor and dignity is the first step. And while I would not have used the term "creep back in" your meaning is accurate - as in it will happen gradually as the mistrust and cynicism is replaced by community involvement.
I'm not beyond redemption, but I am of a generation (early baby boom) that pretty much doesn't care anymore. Your redemption target is the next generation down, the people in their 30's and 40's who are raising their own children. When (not if) Haddix is dumped, his wife is rejected and you or Harold become Mayor with Terry and Mike on council - I will revive myself and breathe in the fresh air and encourage those young whippersnappers to get involved. Then when Obama is replaced by Hillary, I will go back into my funk.

But seriously, those bridges at the state level are only singed, not burnt through. Those people understand that the actions of one renegade mayor should not reflect upon an entire city. Start by mending the DOT bridge, then ARC. Good things will follow.

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So pumpkin...who was your favorite Mayor?

When you were working all those years at PTC City Hall. Just curious.

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Pumpkin? NUK_1

Pumpkin worked in City Hall? Could this be Mr. Haddix's ghost writer? She seems to be able to string her stream of consciousness together much better than the Mayor.

Honestly, before the Mayor got a ghost writer he wasn't able to string two thoughts together in a coherent way. Now, at least, we know what he is attempting to say, even if there is no logic behind his positions.

Maybe Mrs. Haddix is writing his stuff now. Can she write?

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Mr. King just playing to his base

Mike King is playing to his conservative base by dissing the President. It worked for George Wallace on the local level 40 years ago, and it will work for Mr. King in PTC. In politics, character is only a question if your views differ from the majority of your electorate.

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STF, you are wrong about Mike King

First, he's a WYSIWYG kind of guy and won't change a message depending on the audience. Second, I know him well enough to know his criticism of Obama has nothing to do with playing to a base, and much to do with Obama being a narcissistic empty shirt who never ran so much as a hot dog stand and couldn't lead a group of little old ladies through a pansy patch without serious consequences.

Terry Garlock

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Mr. Garlock, If the Shoe Fits…

I’ve never met Mike King, and he might be a nice guy, but his support of Joe Wilson’s impudence is totally inappropriate. Even a grade-school child recognizes the impropriety of heckling the President of the United States during an address to a joint session of Congress. I’m certainly not defending Obama’s policies – e.g., he’s dead wrong on Syria – and I expect Congressional representatives to be very critical of ideas with which they do not agree. However, heckling the President is tantamount to telling the “uppity” black guy that he deserves no respect. (From your disparaging description of Obama, it seems that this is what you think of him as well.) These tactics were exactly the ones I watched from most southern politicians throughout my childhood toward any person of color who refused to be submissive. The disrespect of the Office of the Presidency is very different from disagreeing with the President. This dismissive attitude of conservatives toward all leaders with whom they disagree is ensuring the demise of the Republican Party in national elections. This seems to be clear to everyone except the conservatives.

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STF, King & Wilson

STF--maybe you need to review that post--not sure how you intrepret the language as "support"--and just remember, "uppity" was YOUR description!
Sorry Terry,couldn't resist.

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STF - Lucid

This is a lucid argument, it's the Presidency not the person in the office. We have had many incompetent Presidents, Mr. Obama is not the first and he certainly won't be the last. No question, if we choose to disrespect the office we diminish the institution.

With that said, it would help if Mr. Obama didn't blatantly lie about nearly everything. We can't really take the man seriously if we can't believe his promises and denials. In my eyes's he's much like our current Mayor in terms of credibility, integrity and honor. Though I suppose both have their different level of "celebrity" going for them.

As to Mr. King, I don't know him either, that's why it just may be a little bit of a reach for me to connect him with Governor Wallace's "strategies". However, perhaps you are cut from the same cloth as the President?

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Criticism of Obama’s policies vs. Attacks on Obama’s person

My developmental history is replete with southern politicians like George Wallace and Jesse Helms (when he was a broadcaster in Raleigh, NC) attacking every black leader as a nefarious criminal. My father subjected me to Jesse Helms’ TV editorials every night, and I remember him referring to Martin “Looter” King in his tirades (even after King was assassinated).

Criticize the President for his policies all you wish (I certainly find fault), but when Mike King, Terry Garlock, and myriad other posters question his intellect, effectiveness, and achievements, I am transferred back to my childhood and the vicious attacks on Dr. King and others. Obama graduated from Columbia and Harvard Law School. He has a successful marriage, two bright daughters, and has never been arrested for a criminal act. He has been elected to the most prestigious position in the world twice by both electoral and popular vote majorities. When local good-ole-boys question his intelligence, they demonstrate their own ignorance, but worse, they make themselves repugnant to all but the Fox News crowd. This rhetoric (“Obama being a narcissistic empty shirt who never ran so much as a hot dog stand and couldn't lead a group of little old ladies through a pansy patch without serious consequences.”) plays very poorly to the broad American electorate and alienates voters against fiscal conservative presidential candidates.

Therefore, I stand by my Wallace comparison, but I hope that conservatives can get a clue and rise above personal attacks on the President in favor of rational criticisms of his policies. Either wise up, or in 2016 repeat the process of losing the popular vote in 5 of the six most recent presidential elections and say hello to another President Clinton. This is common sense, not rocket science.

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STF, I could tell you of my disagreement . . .

. . . with Obama's policies, but the list is so exhaustive that I found it much more practical to summarize with my opinion of the dunce. But that's what I do, in case you haven't noticed, I express my opinion rather than trying to argue others into submission, which I know disappoints here among members of the circular firing squad.

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What MLK thought

Earlier this week, Obama made that audacious claim that MLK would have been in favor of his plans to socialize healthcare with AHCA, which has done nothing but raise costs and reduce coverage.

What I'm saying to you this morning, my friends: Even if it falls your lot to be a street sweeper, go out and sweep streets like Michelangelo painted pictures! Sweep streets like Handel and Beethoven composed music. Sweep streets like Shakespeare wrote poetry. Sweep streets so well that all the host of heaven and earth will have to pause and say, "Here lived a great street sweeper who swept his job well!" If you can't be a pine on the top of a hill, be a scrub in the valley, but be the best little scrub on the side of the rill. Be a bush if you can't be a tree. If you can't be a highway, just be a trail. If you can't be a sun, be a star. It isn't by size that you win or you fail; be the best at whatever that you are!
Dr. King, October 26, 1967, in Philadelphia at Barrett Junior High School.

What would MLK think about think of 50 million Americans on food stamps?

What would MLK think about think of 95% of black high school graduates unable to pass a standardized test?

What would MLK think about think of the African-American dropout rate in New York City being 50%?

What would MLK think about think of the fact that 73% of African-American kids are born to a single-parent family?

What would MLK think about think of all of the African-American babies being aborted every year?

What would MLK think about think of Obama's election year support of gay marriage?

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FredG, either you are clairvoyant or great minds . . .

. . . think alike because you have captured the essence of my column which should run next Wed, though I did include a little more of MLKs "blueprint" speech, (edited) but I did not mention Obama or AHA. My main point is guessing if MLK were alive today he might be furious over squandered opportunities.

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Terry

Ben Carson is another voice of reason that counters the inanity of the left:

Perhaps the biggest disappointment for King would be the wholesale adoption of a victim mentality that makes people feel that they are entitled to being cared for by others rather than working tirelessly to create wealth and opportunities for their progeny.
50 years later, Dr. Ben Carson reflects on MLK’s dream

Dr. Carson has speaks common sense that is missing in the far left. Unfortunately, the mindset of the left and the moocher class is that somehow they are owed for something that they didn't work for. Dr. King preached hard work and personal responsiblity. That wisdom is lost on the current gimme generation. They have been bamboozled by a the grievance mongers that preach division and socialism.

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"They have been bamboozled by a (sic) the grievance mongers that preach division and socialism."

Yes, indeed. However, I am not sure they have been bamboozled or an entire movement and generation has been usurped by the intoxication of government entitlement. After all, it is quite easy to live off the labor of others when government mandates it. We are running the risk of losing more than our money, we run the risk of becoming slaves.

This is something that Dr. King would have abhorred.

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than a doornail, so who give a fig?

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The answers to those questions can be found in MLK's papers. Before he was assisinated, his goal was to assist all poor in this country. You might find his writings interesting.

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Possible answers to insincere questions

For MLK would be working with others to find solutions to these problems.

What would MLK think about think of 50 million Americans on food stamps?

His concern for the poor was not based on color. He would be very concerned for all who found themselves in this condition.

What would MLK think about think of 95% of black high school graduates unable to pass a standardized test?

He would be very disappointed. And also disappointed that all American students are doing so poorly among their global colleagues.

What would MLK think about think of the African-American dropout rate in New York City being 50%?

Again, greatly disappointed, when there are programs where students are improving academically. Parent education and teacher education programs need to be implemented in urban areas. It is not only African Americans who are not performing.

What would MLK think about think of the fact that 73% of African-American kids are born to a single-parent family?

As a minister, I'm sure that is a rhetorical question. What would the minister of a predominantly 'white' church feel? I don't think there would be any difference in their concern.

What would MLK think about think of all of the African-American babies being aborted every year?

What do you think? But with the lack of meaningful sex education, morality discussions in the home, etc. this problem is unfortunately not just a problem for African Americans in this country.

What would MLK think about think of Obama's election year support of gay marriage?

I think you might be surprised on this one - but 'rights' know no gender. Ones religious beliefs cannot be imposed on others in this country.

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STF - whoa there, sport

I checked again, and I can't seem to find where Mr. Garlock questioned Obama's intellect or made any references to his race. He did, however, question Obama's qualifications for office and leadership abilities. Would you argue that Obama has the track record of leadership and executive experience that is usually expected of someone occupying our nation's highest office? Really?

Your attempt to twist someone's legitimate dislike of the President into something racial is... disgusting. News flash - it's possible to dislike someone for reasons that are completely non-racial. For example, I can dislike a forum participant for his wordy, self-important, "look at me!" writing style, especially when he often ends his posts by quoting the juvenile screen name he selected for himself. And I have NO idea what race you are! See how that works?

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By focusing on your distaste for me, you miss the focal point

Although I am disappointed with the lack of affinity you possess for me, nevertheless I assure all readers that I hold no animosity for any blogger on this thread. Also, I categorically accuse no one of racism (a very serious charge that requires knowledge of intent).

My point remains that opposition to President Obama using strategies of disrespect (Joe Wilson) or disparaging his intellect and achievements (Mr. Garlock refers to him as a “dunce”) are counterproductive. Denigrating the President as unintellectual and unworthy only bolsters his valence to the non-conservative national voter (as has been demonstrated in the last two presidential elections). Whether impugning a fellow blogger or the President of the United States, a strategy of adherence to rational debate trumps ad hominem attacks. Remember, we are not totally on opposing sides on this issue.

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STF - Oh

I see, and somehow all this is connected to Mr. King? Mr. Garlock? Did either of these gentlemen say anything about Mr. Obama's intellect? I didn't see that. If they did then they were dead wrong, Mr. Obama is a very bright person, brilliant I would say. However there have been many bright people leading countries but they were also incompetent. It's just that Mr. Obama has raised the bar in the area of incompetence. He has also shown character traits that one would not like to see in our President. Yes, I am afraid that Mr. Obama is in fact narcissistic, among other traits this makes him wholly unsuitable as a President.

As far as who is or is not going to win the Presidency, it matters not one wit to me. I don't see anyone on the horizon that will get the country out of the mess that it's in. This is primarily due to the facts that both candidates will represent corrupt political parties and be elected into a corrupted political process and form of government.

Other than that, things are just terrific.

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Mr. Obama's intellect

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, but the list is so exhaustive that I found it much more practical to summarize with my opinion of the dunce

See a definition of dunce".

. A dunce is a person considered to be incapable of learning.

Mr, Garlock is entitled to his opinion. Just sounds like an attack on one's 'intellect' to me. The President is going to include the Congress on a very, very important decision. Many are not too impressed with the intellect expressed by this current Congress - but we the people elected them..

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Ergo......DM

The intellect of Congress, collectively is the sum total of the intellect of the people who elected them. The people of the USA.

A dunce is in fact a person incapable of learning, now we just need to consider the subject......don't we?

I once had working for me a person that was brilliant with mathematics, he was simply unbelievable with numbers, he could learn whatever was put before him and was very productive. He also happened to be a progressive.

We can be brilliant and learn many things and still be a dunce DM. Or to put it another way, don't confuse a progressive with facts, they are not interested in facts, just power over the individual.

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Progressive vs Conservative

Progressive vs Conservative has split this country worse than 'race relations'. The demographics of our country will soon make skin color irrelevant. The inability of progressives and conservatives to LISTEN to one another is speeding the downfall of our country.. The hypocrisy cited by some Christians in praying on the one hand and denigrating on the other is shamefully transparent - but educational.

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Conservatives DM

are just as bad as progressives, they would like to keep everything just the way it is. That's a problem as the progressives have been able to continually chip away at individual Rights and increase government power.

Misguided and shortsighted policies by the conservatives include the Patriot Act, social engineering of personal relationships and the stance on the myth that this is a "Christian Nation". All of which limit individual choice using government power.

Until we return to the fundamental precepts upon which the country was founded, we are an experiment in self government that destined to fail.

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American Failure

Is not an option that true Americans will accept. When we work together, there has not been anything that we could not/ have not accomplished.

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DM - Why

Why don't we work as individuals without force from the government and using free and mutually beneficial outcomes become the economic nation that we can be? As long as we individually don't limit the Rights of others, we should be free to do what's in our best interests. If you want to work together with others, then do so. Don't force me to do it using government.

Our experiment in representative government will fail as long as we don't understand the proper role of government in our lives as envisioned by our Founders. You clearly don't understand this role, or you choose not to. You are not alone DM.

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200 years

of not understanding - but working on the principles that our Constitution is based upon has shown that those of differing points of view can work together for the greater good of this country. Individual rights, when limiting the rights of others has not proven beneficial to all citizens in this country. Taking the rights of others away so that one does not feel the weight of government on their individual shoulders - will not be accepted by the current generation or future generations of Americans. Our government is there to accomplish collectively what we as individuals cannot accomplish individually. We as citizens have not taken the right and responsibility to vote seriously. We find/found ourselves in a situation where the cost of campaigning for public office is almost prohibitive, and candidates found themselves beholden to groups, individuals, corporations who had their (the group) interest rather than the good of the country as their motivation for supporting certain candidates. Now we have a Congress that very few in this country respects. The founding fathers did not always agree, but they worked together. The Lincoln Cabinet did not agree, but they worked together. This president and this Congress have a unique opportunity to listen to their constituents, not just those who paid for their campaign, and agree on a step of action based on principle. It will be interesting to hear the debate. I was a child when the atom bomb was used on Japan. All through elementary school I lived, along with my classmates, with the fear of Russia using the atom bomb on the US. The terrorists killed 3000+ Americans. Now we fear them and chemical warfare. The wisdom of Soloman is needed here. Can that be found in our current Congress? Our president used the intelligence and skill of our military to get Bin Laden. Can this combination be used to convince Syria that using chemical weapons is unacceptable? Does our Congress have skill and wisdom?

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Pardon me DM

but this missive is way too long to respond to, can you give us a trimmed down version? How about that point about "taking the rights of others away", wasn't that the government that did that? Now I know as a "collectivist" you believe what you are saying but history has proven time and time again that government is the problem, not the solution.

Or don't you believe in individual freedom?

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No. I've heard the rant on 'individual freedom' used to keep me out of restaurants, out of residential areas, out of schools, etc. Those words have a very different meaning to me. They were used to discriminate in this country until this government you distrust stepped in. People are tired of me bringing 'race' into the discussion, but until you've lived in these US with a skin other than white, you can't realize how certain terms make us look carefully at the intent of the speaker. I'm enjoying individual freedom now. . . and I intend to protect it. As the attitude in this country changes, it looks hopeful. But as you have seen, there are still bigoted ignorant persons who would take steps to limit my individual freedom.

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"No" is your answer, but you confuse individual freedom with collective action by government to suppress individual freedom. People will discriminate no matter what DM, you can't stop them. You can, and have, enjoyed the Rights protect under the Constitution and that DM is the only legitimate role of government.

You will never eliminate bigotry and ignorance by force of government. On the contrary, you can only enhance both negative qualities of mankind using governmental power.

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Very insightful, PTCO, and true

Too bad the public will never understand it.

Terry Garlock

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Bigoted, ignorance

will always exist in this country - but will not be protected by law as it was in the past. Your individypual freedom ends where mine begins. From your words, I don't believe your use of the concept has any intent of limiting my freedom due to my gender or color. If sincere people would st down and discuss their perception of 'freedom', certain fears and misunderstandings would be dealt with , IMO. But certain segments in our society have already voiced their limited opinion regarding women, races, classes, etc. Politicians, organizations and wealthy individuals have used their perceived power to maintain the fear and distrust that keeps Americans from working together to achieve needed goals. Your concept of not allowing government workers to vote is one concept that I find contrary to 'individual freedom'.

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Contracts - DM

The social contract between citizens and government allows government only certain enumerated rights, these rights we give up to our government as individual citizens willingly.

Now DM, if we entered into a contractual agreement as individuals and that contract allowed me to perform certain services for you and in return you paid me money. Let's say those services were to provide security to you and your family. However, unknown to you I had a relationship with a robber that could rob you and I would turn a blind eye to it. Would you say that I might have a conflict of interest in entering the agreement with you? That I had a motive other than that to which we agreed?

Now, let's take government. The social contract based on the Constitution is that the government is there to protect your right to individual freedom. Among these Rights are Life, Liberty and Property and that government should be instituted to protect these Rights. Now, let's suppose that government gets a bit out of control, let's say that its role changes to include other things like "services". In order to provide these services the social contract allows for taxation.

This is an important point DM, so I want you to think about it. Let's say that these services are performed by government workers, and those workers are paid by the taxpayers. So far, in a social democracy, this is ok. However, now we give the government workers the right to vote on their own pay. Not only that, we give all people that work for the government the right to vote to increase their pay. This includes all the people that work at companies that provide services to the government. It includes consultants and lobbyists. In fact, it includes millions of workers that work to provide services. Is this not a conflict of interest? Should I be able to go to my work as a worker in private industry and vote on what salary I am paid? Does it make sense economically? Why wouldn't I just vote myself and all others in this private company a million dollar salary?

So, in short DM people who derive their income from government no matter what form it takes have a conflict of interest. They will always vote for more and more and more. Why wouldn't they. It in the end, is not what we agreed to do as a free and independent people. It is a corruption of the idea that all men are willing to have government protect their property and other Rights. In fact, the government is the robber of our property.

Giving those that derive their income from government that right to vote, is a conflict of interests. It has nothing to do with race, gender and any other "class" you can think of DM.

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stranger than fiction wrote:

My father subjected me to Jesse Helms’ TV editorials every night, and I remember him referring to Martin “Looter” King in his tirades (even after King was assassinated).

I am transferred back to my childhood and the vicious attacks on Dr. King and others.

Sounds like somebody might have some unresolved daddy issues....

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These developmental tragedies and the news that Silver Star also has no affinity for me will assure a rousing psychotherapy session this week!

Pray for me!

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Pray for me!

Already got you covered STF! Well, maybe not you specifically. It's more of a collective thing. Jesus wants us to pray for "the unwashed" and since you appear to be pretty liberal, you should be covered. Works kind of like an umbrella insurance policy, I think.....

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Meanie, I have to defend STF

I'm not so sure he's liberal, probably more like thoughtful. And in case he's listening, my "dunce" label for Obama isn't about intellect, it's about the pathetic lack of judgment he has demonstrated time and again, but if asked to prove it with examples I fear I'd have to type my fingers into bloody stubs.

Terry Garlock

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Gosh Terry G....

Way to crush us both. Here I was trying to dispel the notion that a "mean old conservative" would ever pray for a liberal and STF asked specifically for my prayers. You dashed that as well. Thanks a lot!

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Mr. Garlock, your clarification of the “dunce” reference lessens our divergence, and I appreciate your willingness to be thoughtful as well. But please don’t discourage ole Meanie from praying for me. His God may come in handy someday, whoever She is.

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Touche` STF

You just never know.....

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Thin skinned, eh

..and myriad other posters question his intellect, effectiveness, and achievements...

Gee, I seem to remember several liberal bloggers on "The C" did the same about Bush.

And the conga line just keeps on going.

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Name calling?
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Obama being a narcissistic empty shirt who never ran so much as a hot dog stand and couldn't lead a group of little old ladies through a pansy patch without serious consequences.

Why can't supporters of Mike King share his leadership qualities and examples of how he will be a good leader on the Council of PTC and a good representation of the leadership in FC?

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Name calling DM?

Was Mr. Garlock "name calling"?

I don't seem to see this in your quote of Mr. Garlock's post. I believe this was an option of the President's character and skills.

Would you clarify?

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Why can't anyone in this discussion share the leadership qualities of Mike King ? What does Obama's lack of skills in ones opinion have to do with the qualifications of a potential leader in FC? What in the world does my interest in PTC leaders have to do with not clarifying to the readers of The Citizen why Mike King will get things done? Everyone already is quite aware of your opinion of DM and The President of the United States. The silence on Mr. King's leadership skill is overwhelming. . . and disappointing for a decorated Viet Nam vet! I repeat, PTC is the star in FC. The star, according to different 'city ratings' is still shining. I guess the citizens of PTC will just have to wait for The Citizen to inform them of the candidates qualifications. The posts here served as a forum to voice displeasure with TPOTUS and thankfully to inform some regarding the history of past leaders in PTC. Interesting, I really expected - nah - I really didn't.

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DM - You're

correct, I too look forward to learning about Mr. King and his leadership history. Certainly, no one will question Mr. King's bravery under fire and it is a quality that we want in all of our leaders. It says something about character when normal people are thrust into battle, and how they act under fire. In Mr. King's case there can be no question that he acted honorably, bravely and with distinction. Those are character traits that we can all welcome in our leaders.

Now as to your question concerning his leadership skills. They are skills DM, they are taught. I suppose there is nowhere on earth that those skills can better be taught than in the U.S. Armed Services. With his resume, we have time to see the history of Mr. King's execution of those skills. That history, his support within the city community, in which you are not a part, and his policy agenda is how he should be judged. These should be compared to the other candidates. It is also interesting to me to see those public figures that come out to support him and the quality of their character. It says a lot about the individual running for office when you have other leaders supporting you.

When are you moving to PTC, DM?

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PTC-not a part of FC?

Georgia not a part of the US? I have no desire to move to PTC. ;-) but I'm very interested in how others view FC. Except for the voting rights fiasco, this county is held in high esteem by many or they would not invest in FC. But more importantly, I am interested in a decorated veteran who is seeking office in our county. Are the people who post here critical of every leader who comes out of PTC or are their concerns well- founded? If they are well-founded, why did the majority of people who vote in PTC vote for these particular leaders. Why do I care? Because if and when the main media gets a whiff of the politics in PTC, it will reflect on FC. I am invested in Fayette County. Very true, I have no say so in the politics of PTC. . . and so far, the main media and raters of cities show little interest in PTC politics.. That's a good thing. PTC and subsequently FC remain attractive places to live.

Skills are taught, and I have great respect for the leadership skills taught and implemented by our military. I am looking forward to learning how Mr. King has used these skills in civilian life.

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