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George Zimmerman was acquitted of all charges and is a free man. Once more we have shown how little we as a country regard black lives. Can anyone doubt that had the races of those men been reversed the outcome of this trial would be totally opposite?

What message does this send to millions of African American young people?

We may have elected a black president but this country still has major problems and major change is needed.

Today I am ashamed to be white and ashamed to be American.

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danz57 - Zimmerman Acquittal
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Once more we have shown how little we as a country regard black lives. What message does this send to millions of African American young people?

We may have elected a black president but this country still has major problems and major change is needed.

Today I am ashamed to be white and ashamed to be American.

Gee, I was under the impression that the jury had to weigh the evidence that was brought forth during the trial. It sounds like you desired the jury to take in account how African Americans will feel if Mr. Zimmerman was found incident.

Please provide us an explanation on just how that would work.

Oh, and what major change are you advocating?

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It sounds like you desired the jury to take in account how African Americans will feel if Mr. Zimmerman was found incident.

What he wants is for cases like this to be tried in the media. That is what he did unless he was in the court room for the trial and heard all of the evidence.

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G35 Dude - Trial by media

I've been watching all of this at a distance but from what I see it seems the Martin supporters wish it were that way. Of course, so do several in the press that continue to bombard us with their "slightly slanted" journalism. Enough already!!!

I did like what Zimmerman's attorney - Mark O'Mara - stated when asked if there should be a discussion concerning race; he stated "absolutely" and then he noted that this case was not the proper forum for that. How true.

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Cyclist-A real leader speaks

Here's what a real black leader had to say about this case: Quote Alan West:

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Yes, Trayvon Martin shooting was a tragedy which the usual suspect race baiters and progressive media are using for political gain. Where is the outrage for the recent killings in Chicago of a 6-month-old black baby, 16-year-old black honor student, or 17-year-old black teenager who refused to join a gang? The focus is on the symptoms which promote political gain, not the disease which now afflicts the black community. And I am tired of white liberals invoking the heinous memory of lynchings.

Too bad that many black people prefer to follow people like Al (Not so) Sharpton or Jessie Jackson.

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Alan West?

A leader of 'black people'? Really? Most 'black people' just like 'white people', are led by their parents and grandparents; their church leaders; etc. If you like a different perspective, tune in to Eric Holder at the NAACP convention - on CNN NOW.

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DM-Apparently Mr West is not a leader in your eyes?
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A leader of 'black people'? Really? Most 'black people' just like 'white people', are led by their parents and grandparents; their church leaders; etc. If you like a different perspective, tune in to Eric Holder at the NAACP convention - on CNN NOW.

Re-read what you just wrote and really think about it!!! LOL

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Glad I gave you a laugh. Mr. West is a leader - but not of the majority of 'black' people. His ideology is too far right. In your eyes - he may be a 'black' leader. . .but not so regarded in the 'black community'. Most families are not 'led' by politicians and/or the media - but by the teaching or lack of teaching by their parents, grandparents, etc. Think about it. I admit, you may have a different perspective.

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Mr. West is a leader - but not of the majority of 'black' people. His ideology is too far right. In your eyes - he may be a 'black' leader. . .but not so regarded in the 'black community'.

My point exactly.

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Interesting humor.

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Zimmerman's Acquittal

Its been a year since the conclusion of the trial and still no word from Eric Holder about federal charges against Zimmerman.

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Good morning! Maybe the lesson here is to screen law enforcement volunteers very, very carefully. Mr. Zimmerman is involved in local litigation for his subsequent decision making since the death of Trayvon Martin. Let's see how the local litigation proceeds. The Martin Famiy is still seeking civil redress I think. The federal system has its hands filled with the tens of thousands of immigrants crossing our borders and according to our antiquated immigration laws, cannot be deported without 'due process'. It looks like certain segments of our Congressional leaders are working for a 'political segment' rather than the American people - who supposedly pay their salaries. Enjoy the cooler weather!

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danz & "all charges"

There was only one charge--that of Second Degree Murder--the prosecution failed to provide convincing evidence beyond a reasonable doubt for that charge,hence the "Not Guilty" verdict--absolutely nothing to do with race.

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I felt

the state did everything they could to slant things and serve Zimmerman up as a sacrifice.

They hid evidence, etc. They truly wanted to wanted to sacrifice him. I hope they are disbarred for what they did.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/13/justice/zimmerman-it-firing/index.html?hpt...

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AHG-All charges

The jury also had the charge of Manslaughter to consider. Zimmerman was found not guilty of two charges.

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G35 & Manslaughter

The State did not charge him with manslaughter--the Judge gave the Jury the OPTION TO CONSIDER manslaughter and they decided against it.

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Poor, ashamed danz...

He should be ashamed of the DA who bowed to pressure and over-charged Zimmerman. From day one I knew they'd never support a case for 2d degree murder; manslaughter maybe, but not 2d degree murder. Now ignorant idiots get to scream how Martin didn't get justice.

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Good for you

The jury of 6 women disagree with you. They saw all the facts presented.

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No

I'm glad they found him not guilty, but the state hid evidence on his phone from the jury and I think that was wrong. I felt George Zimmerman should never been tried in the 1st place. I think the judge ruled against the defense when she should not have. With everything stacked against George, he still won.

Read the link again. There were pictures and text messages that gave in site that were with held from the defense.

There is also the story that he hit a bus driver for not giving him a ride and was agitated that day. I felt it was all so one sided, and a man, Zimmerman, who had gone out of his way to take care of his neighbors, was vilified.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2120504/Trayvon-Martin-case-He-s...

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In the end

What does it matter, there is a dead 16 year old boy and a man who most likely never should have owned a gun who was found innocent but will infamous in current history but whose life has surely changed. Only a psychopath would be with out feeling about killing a 16 year boy and only the simple minded would take sides on this situation. We are not in Rome attending the Coliseium gladiator battles or lion feedings.

It's tragic for all parties concerned.

Should Mr. Zimmerman have regrets for what happened? absolutely and now he has to live his life knowing what he did. He shot and killed a 16 year old boy.

Innocent on all counts, tragic on all counts.

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Larry & Verdict

He was found "Not Guilty" of what he was charged with NOT "innocent"--they are not the same.

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You're 100% right.
Not Guilty....

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The initial vote was 3 Guilty, 3 Not guilty

Then (according to juror B37) they kept looking for exactly what they (meaning the 3 who were set on guilty) could find him guilty of. They could find nothing and they even had the judge's gift of a manslaughter option available to them. True enough, not the same as "Innocent" but pretty close.

I do wish Eric Holder would calm down and stop playing politics with this and inflaming people by teasing them with a civil rights charge. Instead he should be arranging protection for Zimmerman as any responsible Attorney General would do.

Or maybe he can find some black hispanic who killed a white kid and do everything he could to put him away - by everything I mean 1. Get the President to speak out 2. Send the DOJ’s Community Relations Service to Florida to organize protests 3. Try to influence the judge 4. Keep the flames burning on imagined racism (BTW, Juror B37 said they never discussed race or prejudice in their jury deliberations - I expect that will be headlined on NBC tonite).

Or maybe Attorney General Holder would like to go all in to prove his fairness and open a civil rights case on behalf of Ron Goldman and Nicole Simpson.

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Check those facts, Larry

"A 16 year old Boy?" Martin was 17 at the time of his death, not 16.

That's old enough to enlist in the Marines and carry an M4 in Afghanistan.

That's OLDER than the thugs (ages 14-16) who carjacked a woman at gunpoint in the PTC Walmart parking lot. In fact, that's older than many of the thugs law enforcement deals with on a daily basis.

Kudos to the jury for putting emotion and political pressure aside, looking at all the evidence logically, and arriving at the only legally justifiable verdict - Not Guilty.

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Silver Star-Facts

You are right, he was 17.
I think you might be confusing your facts though, not sure of the relationship between the armed car jacking and Martin.
Martin was unarmed, there were no reports of any crimes coming across Zimmerman's radio or APBs. the only person with a gun was Zimmerman himself.

Not guilty, yes, innocent of shooting a 17 year old boy, no.

Zimmerman has to live with those consequences and hopefully he will stop carrying a gun, because he is probably not qualified. First rule, listen to what law enforcement told him what to do!

Slightly overzealous and armed? Not a good combination.

Jury made the right decision based upon the facts and law!
Lets see if Zimmerman can live with his actions.

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No confusion here, Larry

Your misstatement of Trayvon's age and your description of him as "a boy" implied that he was somehow non-threatening or harmless. I was simply providing some real life examples of what people that age can do - join the Marines and wage war, carjack women at the PTC Walmart. There is a nationwide epidemic of people Trayvon's age engaging in crime (usually gang-related). Ignore it at your own peril.

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Trust me, not ignoring it.
That guy on the motorcycle robbing convenience stores last week was pretty scary too!

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Larry

You needed to pay closer attention to the trial. I did. The news is out spewing anything they can. George Zimmerman already has a lawsuit going against them for playing fast and loose with the facts. The deal that you didn't even know the kids age shows you didn't pay attention, just spouted what you overheard.

Here is one thing you might read. Kids are making a drink "purple drank", skittles, Arizona ice tea, are part of the ingredients to make it. It makes you crazy. People have likened the effects to PCP. Yet you sit there an go "poor little Trayvon" Poor little Trayvon was a thug.

As long as you buy into giving them excuses for their behavior, they will never get any better. Maybe they can't. But people like you just make it worse.
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/05/24/update-26-part-2-trayvon-...

http://www.examiner.com/article/trayvon-s-skittles-arizona-tea-and-somet...

http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2013/07/trayvon-martins-drug-abuse-leanpurple...

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/rochester-ny/TLL0M4JC4TMF3VSEQ

The drug is called LEAN or PURPLE LEAN. It is very likely that Trayvon Martin was on his way to make some more LEAN the night he was shot, the coroner’s report shows that his liver was damaged in a way that is consistent with the use of LEAN/PURPLE LEAN.

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I did read that information but what I keep coming back to is Zimmerman was armed, Martin wasn't. Zimmerman was told by the police not to pursue him, but he did.

I agree with the verdict of not guilty, but in the end, it's still unfortunate.
2 possible idiots, one high, the other over zealous with a gun.

What makes this worse is the race baiting on both sides. Luckily the Old South (white and black) is dying and in 35 to 40 years when we are pushing up daisies from the graveyard or drooling on the front porch of the nursing homes, our kids and grand kids who are not the products of segregation, civil rights will not be afraid of diversity. Many young people don't see color now because they realize that good and bad come in all colors, shapes and sizes.

What they will see out of a trial like this is just 2 idiots who got into a fight and one was shot to death in a struggle.....Luckily, they will see no color.

We are the dinosaurs, in prejudice thought on race, religion, sexual preference and race.
America is a land of immigrants always evolving and growing. Luckily we have the freedom to express our thoughts openly and freely and we place our country first.

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Larry & "pursuit"

Don't think he was told "not to", blv terminology was "We don't need you to do that." And yes, most of us would take that as "don't do it" but I can understand why he would be reluctant to take direction from someone NOT ON THE SCENE. This wasn't his first night on that job--he has significant experience--just perhaps not in that specific personal encounter. And so he made a bad decision--know what that's like, made one or two myself!

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You're right....

It's a sad situation from every angle!
And all parties concerned. Time to move on to other issues and leave both families alone.

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I also want to post this link

not so much about Martin, and why he was acting weird that night, but I think it is important for parents to read this and understand what your teen could be whipping up right under your nose. It might help someone keep their kids off drugs. They are saying a combo of Arizona tea (watermelon drink) skittles, and cough medicine can be as bad as Pcp. That according to his facebook page, Martin had been messing with the stuff for over a year before he died. It causes you to act weird. I would hate for any other parent to find out too late...so here is the link

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/05/24/update-26-part-2-trayvon-...

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Well, suggar...

...I just learned a lot about the current drug culture! I knew kids were using OTC meds for nefarious purposes, but this was enlightening! Thanks for the link.

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danz: who cares?

I certainly don't. If I need stupid white person guilt, I'll go read about Ted Kennedy's life. Boo-hoo!

A far as being an "American" and being ashamed, try a different country. Plenty of them out there.

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Indeed, it's a national diversion and an exercise in wallowing in national self hatred and guilt. While the world and nation comes crashing down around us we are focused on absolutely the wrong agenda. As a nation our sense of proportion is skewed and shaped by a national media that sells air time, whether it's Dancing with the Stars or Mr. Zimmerman.

The tragedy is that the American people are seduced by the opiate of the masses as their freedoms are subdued by financial and political ruin.

But what do I know?

Watch Europe, we will see our future.

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danz57 - Delta

Delta is ready when you are. If you pick a third world country, consider Chicago instead. Flight times are shorter and you should feel right at home. Be sure and pack your bullet proof vest. Let us see how long a white libitard will last on those truly American streets.

http://rollingout.com/criminal-behavior/chicagos-crime-rate-continue-to-...

Where is your outrage now?

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danz-We agree

A lot of us agree with you. We too are ashamed that you're white and American.

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Informed citizens such as...

Atlanta Falcons player Roddy White who tweeted that the jury should all go home and kill themselevs. I hope he never sits on a jury.

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Well, Cy...

...he's athletic & rich; intelligence not necessary to play in the NFL. Too bad some ignorant tools who follow him will actually listen to his opinion.

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Falcon player

was highly criticized by citizens of all colors and retracted his STUPID statement. It's time to denigrate the stupidity being expressed and acknowledge the many citizens who are using proper means to express their concerns regarding this tragedy.

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Priceless!!!! LOL

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Our enemies

win again. A divided America (US) is a weak country. Two families have suffered tragedy and will never be the same.
Will we learn from this tragedy or will we continue to let fear have power. If the guidines of responsibility had been followed
, a community leader would still have a position of respect and a teenager would be alive

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and, DM...

...if a young man didn't make the decision to physically attack that man, he'd still be alive, most probably. Your slip is showing, DM...

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Fear was the culprit here. If Travon had won the mutual combat, he would have been acquitted. Look at the law.

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Not sure, DM...

...where you're going; physically, Trayvon did win - he knocked Zimmerman down and straddled him, delivering blows and bashing his head into the pavement. Only Zimmerman accessing his weapon changed the tide, to an unfortunate end. Should Martin have maimed, or killed, Zimmerman during his attack, I doubt he would have been acquitted. Whatever the reason, attacking another always places the onus on the attacker.

Your veiled reference to Zimmerman's actions being the instigation of this incident speaks volumes to the camp you reside in. To suggest, via omission, Trayvon was completely innocent in this tragic event is to ignore the obvious, proven, forensic evidence. The race-baiters demanded charges, got them, then erupted when the justice system decided - through thorough court proceedings - against their wishes. They need to RESPECT the LAW and the decision that THEY, themselves, demanded.

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The camp? You are a sick sheeple. Two mothers have had tragedy enter their family - and you're talking about 'camps'? Who/what are you? You are being a 'race-baiter' by not understanding the law that the jurors were forced to follow in finding justice in this sad situation. What has erupted? Your detemination to find CAMPS!! There are those who understand the tragedy in this situation - and there are no 'winners' here. No one in the United States has the power to be judge, jury, and executioner. We are a country of laws. There are so many people (white and black and Hispanic and Asian) who are not joining CAMPS - but working together to find ways within the legal system so that our laws are clear and no other adult or teenager finds themselves in this situation again. It is not illegal to walk home in your own neighborhood; it is not illegal to carry a registered gun; it is not illegal to protect your neighborhood. It is not illegal to walk while black or drive a SUV while 'white'. There were guidelines to prevent this tragedy - and if these guidelines were followed, the tragedy could have been averted. The 'fear' that entered into the hearts of two humans was more powerful than the guidelines instituted to avert tragedy. If Americans enter 'camps' instead of taking a good look at the law and working together to make clear guidelines before using deadly force - progress will have been made. Would Travon have been afraid of a Neighborhood Watch Coordinator if he had been identified in some way? Will gated communities need to have some sort of 'pass' to give visitors for identification? No one wants this situation to be repeated - there is no need for 'camps' - but sincere citizens working together to prevent this from happening in their community. You evidently are not one of those citizens - and that's sad. There is peace here in Fayette County - not encouragement in 'camp joining'.

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Yet YOUR post, DM...

...clearly BLAMED Zimmerman for following Martin, against the advice of the police dispatcher (under which he was under NO legal requirement to follow), and causing the incident. YOU judged Zimmerman in YOUR post, placing BLAME squarely on HIM, with NO mention of Martin's actions. YOU opened this door; take responsibility for YOUR acts. If you believe Zimmerman truly meant harm to Martin and instigated the conflict, say so, and maybe reiterate the proof of such. The jury has said you're wrong. Quit hiding behind the 'tragedy' of the event and openly state your opinion, instead of hiding behind veiled innuendos that blame Zimmerman; doing so just helps foment the mistrust of the races and our judicial system. Your post was simply code for 'they screwed Martin'. Admit your prejudice in this, DM. Given your stated past, your mistrust is certainly understandable.

Want my honest opinion? Maybe you'll give us yours. Zimmerman was an over-zealous neighborhood watchman who had seen many previous crimes/criminals go uncaught in recent months and was keen to ensure 'suspicious' (to him) persons were watched; Martin was a young teen with the normal angst of such, getting involved with the 'gangsta' culture, and for whatever reason on edge that night. The two made decisions that ended in an unfortunate incident, period. BOTH are at fault, IMHO. The judicial system ran it's course and Zimmerman was JUDGED not to be a 2d degree murderer. I believe the DA failed to seek the proper charge.

Btw, some gated communities DO require ID to get in; it's really quite common. Of course, 'gated' is a loosely defined term; gates can be circumvented easily in many developments/communities.

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We are coming to the

We are coming to the realization that most blacks say they want equality, but don't. That would make them have to be responsible for their actions. I think that what blacks really want is special treatment, as a protected class, who can't be blamed for any of their bad decisions or behavior.

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I would have to disagree, suggar.

As there are certainly those who do, such as the 'reparations' crowd/mindset for example, but I believe 99% of that ethnicity are mostly fine with the age we've come to. There will still be challenges, but that's what courts are for. Even in Atlanta, the protest over the Zimmmerman trial numbered only about 30; I thought that surprising and somewhat telling that so few took to the streets.

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You are right, it isn't right to paint everyone with the same brush. I am just disgusted and frightened for those that try to protect others. I think Zimmerman was brave and selfless to protect his neighbors. Look what it got him.

Let me re phrase what I said....those taking to the streets want to be treated as a special class.

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KC:

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under which he was under NO legal requirement to follow), and causing the incident. YOU judged Zimmerman in YOUR post, placing BLAME squarely on HIM, with NO mention of Martin's actions

DM WROTE:

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It is not illegal to walk home in your own neighborhood; it is not illegal to carry a registered gun; it is not illegal to protect your neighborhood. It is not illegal to walk while black or drive a SUV while 'white'. There were guidelines to prevent this tragedy - and if these guidelines were followed, the tragedy could have been averted. The 'fear' that entered into the hearts of two humans was more powerful than the guidelines instituted to avert tragedy.

The jurors followed the law - based on the evidence presented. Americans do not want a situation like this to happen again.
A community volunteer appears, under EXISTING law, to have the 'right' in the act of self-defense to kill a person - when it is possible that the other combatant felt they were acting in self-defense. (MUTUAL COMBAT) We need to look at that law and it's implementation.

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Btw, some gated communities DO require ID to get in; it's really quite common. Of course, 'gated' is a loosely defined term; gates can be circumvented easily in many developments/communities.

And what we have learned from this situation is that a Neighborhood Watch person should be trained to ask a person for that identification. If the Neighborhood Watch person felt their person was in danger - the police should be called for assistance - as Mr. Zimmerman did. KC - the verdict is in. A teenager is dead. Americans do not want this to happen again. The Black Separatists and White Supremacists are having a field day. We are a country of laws. In 2013, we have the tools to look at the implementation of our laws so that legality protects all citizens. It is immature to play the 'gotcha game' with so serious a problem. We should be looking for solutions. Tomorrow a 'black' person may use their legally obtained gun to shoot a 'white' salesman in their neighborhood. The 'black' person has a legal weapon; and fear of the 'white' salesman because there have been house break-ins in the neighborhood; the 'white' salesperson has the 'right' to be in the neighborhood conducting business. The 'black' person follows the 'white' person to see if they are actually conducting business or casing the neighborhood. The two confront one another. FEAR enters this scenario. A human loses their life. Although I mentioned the 'race' of the individuals involved, race has nothing to do with the implementation of the law - as now written and understood. Guidelines of action in this scenario need to be clear - for 'self-defense' is the legal recourse for both parties. The message that is being heard around the world is that in the United States, in mutual combat, if one is killed - the other may be acquitted. I'm just clarifying my opinion/point of view. Joining 'camps' is non-productive. What is productive is for Americans to work together through the legal system to make sure that persons are not supported for using deadly force when engaged in situations that require police assistance and this assistance is reasonably available. Mr. Zimmerman was found 'not guilty' under the law. Mr. Zimmerman is not innocent of killing another human being. Mr. Zimmerman thought he was doing his job in apprehending a criminal. On that night, Mr. Martin was not committing a criminal act - and should not have lost his life. I don't blame anyone at this point. I blame 'FEAR' - the fear that was in the mind and hearts of both parties. And unfortunately, that fear was based on the perceived 'race' of both parties. You have the right to disagree with my perception/opinion - but we'll see what happens as Americans work together to correct the implementation of 'self-defense'.

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dm you wan't like this

MLK told blacks to get it together and be responsible..now you don't want to be responsible for anything and everything is someone else's fault.

http://live.wsj.com/video/opinion-why-are-black-leaders-exploiting-trayvon-martin-2013-07-16-14115722/A884CEA7-F97C-4E2A-80FF-566B9FFB3BB4.html#!A884CEA7-F97C-4E2A-80FF-566B9FFB3BB4

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now you don't want to be responsible for anything and everything is someone else's fault.

Please show me my words that make you believe that the above is my belief,

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At this point you must feel truly frustrated defending your viewpoint which by the way is worth listening to based upon your life experiences. Everyone deserves to be heard. Some embrace change and others fear it, but what's important is that as the sun sets on us, "the baby boomers", our children and grand children who did not witness the social turmoil of the 60s and 70s will see the world differently.

You can already see in the next generation that people don't see color or race. Same for religious differences and sexual preference. It's all changing. The majority is rapidly becoming the minority and we are a country that has always thrived on immigration which helps us be the most successful and creative nation in the world.

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From the experience I've had in Fayetteville for the last ten years, I know that the vast majority of persons here, even those my age, are treating others as they would want to be treated. It is important for everyone to note those who, by their words, refuse to work together with their fellow citizens as fellow Americans who have a different skin color. I was guilty of generalizing all southerners who did not support Civil Rights in the 60's as ignorant racists. The years of progress in race relations in our country has brought us to this point where a family whose roots are in a small town in Georgia can live wherever their income allows; eat in any restaurant they choose and be treated with respect; shop wherever they please; and vote without being threatened or harassed. I have learned from this blog that there are still those who resent this progress, and I appreciate the opportunity to express a different point of view. No one person represents all female blacks, just like no one person represents all white males. Thank you for taking the time to share your point of view. It is appreciated.

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Fear was the culprit here. If Travon had won the mutual combat, he would have been acquitted. Look at the law.

And the media would have never considered this a story. So we would have never heard of this incident. And even if by some miracle we did hear no one would have taken to the streets. Funny how that works.

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Excellent observation. There are families all over this country who suffer as the Zimmermans and Martins are suffering. A journalist in this mornings AJC shared the percentages of persons by race who have been killed under this 'law'. The majority of citizens who protest the implementation of this law - and the possible legal verdict - are concerned about all citizens and the result of a 'shoot first' type of interpretation of the law. Why does the media emphasize race? It sells papers and incites fear. Fear - an ugly emotion. Race - still the elephant in this nations living room.

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Race - still the elephant in this nations living room.

Race is the elephant in the room? Which race?

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DM-Stand your ground is a good law

I think the law that you're referring to is the "Stand your ground" law? If you check that was not the law used by Zimmerman as a defense although the judge did use this language to instruct the jury.

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“if he was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force.”

Stand your ground is a good law. You can not use it if you initiate the confrontation. While allowed to stand your ground you are not allowed to pursue or advance to escalate the confrontation. So really the law probably did not apply here since Zimmerman did follow Martin. The law that found him "not guilty" was self defense. That was applied because it was determined that Martin started the actual physical conflict and at the point that Zimmerman shot Martin he was in fear for his life. Holder and the media are using this event to change a certain law cause it does not fit their agenda, much the same that they use events to try to institute gun control.

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No - I'm referring to the implentation of self-defense. That is the law the jury wrestled with. To try to justify a 'side'. Is divisive - and not productive. To make sure our laws are understood and implemetedl for the safety and fairness to all citizens should be a goal.

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Why do I have the feeling that if the roles were reversed and Martin had survived the encounter then been found "Not Guilty" under the self defense law that you'd be OK with it?

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Maybe because you can't comprehend that my concern is with the interpretation and implementation of the law - and the prevention of another human killed unnecessarily. We don't need laws where one person can be judge, jury,and executioner. You might be trying to find a justification for the Zimmrman/Martin tragedy. I just want the law clear so that no one can legally kill another person without clear definition of intent; pre-planning, perimeters of responsibility of persons involved in neighborhood safety activities, definition of suspicious activity, etc. Aren't you interested in the same?

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Maybe because you can't comprehend that my concern is with the interpretation and implementation of the law - and the prevention of another human killed unnecessarily.

My comprehension skills are excellent. I've read some of your posts. I comprehend you better than you think.

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We don't need laws where one person can be judge, jury,and executioner. You might be trying to find a justification for the Zimmrman/Martin tragedy.

If the law allowed for one to be judge, jury,and executioner there would not have been a trial. And there is no justification for this. The jurors found Zimmerman not guilty. Finding him guilty of not allowing Martin to kill or injury him would not provided any justification.

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I just want the law clear so that no one can legally kill another person without clear definition of intent; pre-planning, perimeters of responsibility of persons involved in neighborhood safety activities, definition of suspicious activity, etc. Aren't you interested in the same?

Sure, and you can start by teaching those that think starting a physical confrontation is the way to handle a problem that it has a possibility of ending like this. Zimmerman made several mistakes but he was trying to call the police. Martin used his cell phone to call his girlfriend to tell her that he just wanted to beat the creepy ass crackers head into the sidewalk. Had he called 911 maybe he would have been told who the man was that was following him. And maybe they would have told Zimmerman that the guy he was following belonged there. Violence begats violence.

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Let's be absolutely clear....

...The only one that committed a crime that night was Trayvon.

He made a choice. The wrong one. He committed an assault on Zimmerman and for that he paid a heavy price.

But nevertheless it was his choice. Zimmerman committed no crimes. Following someone is NOT a crime nor is disregarding
someone's even 911's "order" a crime.

But Sharpton, Jackson and the rest of the race hustlers got their trial.

Even the President got involved.

Zimmerman against, almost impossible odds, was found NOT GUILTY. That should be the end of it.

Was it?

Nope, now we have robbery gangs robbing white people and beating them ,of course, in the name of Trayvon and
of course the usual race pimps flogging the uninformed masses into a lathered frenzy. Our President instead of standing
up and telling these roiters and instigators to stand down instead remains mostly silent giving tacit approval to the attacks.

The Law is not the issue nor was the implementation of that law. The issue and the problem is the inability of one minority group
accepting a verdict that they felt should have been different.

Well WELCOME to our World... ala OJ Simpson.

Sometimes the Law works for us, sometimes not... But it is our system and what is happening now, the usurption of the law for a political
advantage and the disregarding of that law by the protestors is the problem and the issue.

The NAACP, the DOJ, Sharpton, Jackson and the rest of the protestors do not want Justice..that was already given...they want something more then Justice they want to be MORE than equal thay want preferential treatment.

Is that what you have been fighting for all these years?

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No division noted in Butts County...

...had dinner in a restaurant that was 50/50 as per black and white diners (there were other races in there as well). The crowd was happy. I didn't pick up on any anger or tension. In some cases blacks and whites were seated at the same table (and not because they came in together either). Emmanuel Lewis was there with both white and black friends. I think the drama kings/queens of America are divided, but they always have been an always will be. Some just aren't happy unless they have drama in their lives. If it doesn't exist they will create it. These people tend to hang together. In special ed it is generally referred to as an emotional/behavioral disorder. I don't think this is going to divide the county anymore than the OJ verdict did.

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Agreed, wildcat.

Did some shopping & a movie @ the Pavilion today; plenty of whites, blacks, etc...doing the same. I didn't feel one iota of tension, just all enjoying the day (well, except for the usual REALLY BAD driving by many). With so many other crimes happening daily nationwide, this issue - albeit sad - is really so, so minor in comparison. The low-brows of the nation will - as usual - use it to foment violence or capitalize on it for personal gain, or both.

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The same not only in Butts / also in Fayette.

Noted in Fayetteville. It's you insecure losers who enjoy the ignorance expressed by not acknowledging the tragedy of this situation. Continue in your ignorance / you are in the minority.

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Insecure losers???

Wow...DM what ever happened to that civil tone you are always preaching about?

Justice was served. You may not have liked the outcome but that is your problem not everyone else's.

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"A call for justice is always a cry for revenge....."

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MLK did not call justice revenge and

Taught don't do unto others as was done unto you. That has promoted the peace that we find in Fayette County today. Yes, there are those who want 'revenge' for Affirmative Action and Segregation - but the majority are learning to live peacefully and civilly with one another in our country - and respecting our unique differences. In many cases, it is not easy to do this in this discussion - though some do try as do I- but none of us has 'walked the water' yet. I firmly believe that it is the insecure losers who for some reason feel that their supremacy is slipping away as our country celebrates its diversity and promotes those based on skill and character rather than skin color. Does that answer your concern SL?

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DM- I'm a little confused

Most of what you say I understand and even agree with, but I'm not sure how you can say that you are for a system that

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promotes those based on skill rather than skin color

which I think everyone would agree to, but somehow are simultaneously for affirmative action and district voting, two things which are based exclusively on race?

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remault THE ZIMMERMAN LAWYERS ON THE VIEW

The courts have looked at the outcome of 48+ years of elections in Fayette County - and made a decision. Please - were you against Affirmative Action? How did it affect you? I was against segregation. You know how that affected me.

Very interesting - and healing. I hope many watch it. One advantage of being retired. Have a great day!

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did your reply even remotely come close to answering my question. I just asked you to explain how you can say you want people judged on their merit and skills and not on the color of their skin, but support both affirmative action and district voting, two things which promote people just on the color of their skin.

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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/affirmative%20action
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/7740/affirmative-action

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/segregation

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support both affirmative action and district voting, two things which promote people just on the color of their skin.

In re-reading the definition and use of AA, I perceive that since its implementation corrections have been made to its use so that ‘race’ is not a primary source of ones acceptance in colleges, universities, etc. There have been ‘white’ students and employees who have challenged and won cases when they felt they were discriminated against by using AA. I do not believe that in 2013, AA is used to promote people just on the color of their skin.

The courts decision regarding the use/outcomes of Districtwide voting is another issue in my opinion. I’m sure the courts studied the history of this region; the growing ‘black’ population; and the election of a ‘minority’ to the City Council in Fayetteville. In looking at the housing patterns in Fayette County – the 20% of ‘blacks’ in Fayette County are pretty well integrated throughout the county. It is seemingly a challenge to gerrymander the ‘District’ in question to get a 50% population of blacks in that District. I support District elections because I do not always agree with the political strategies and/or actions of some of the countywide decisions. I also do not feel that one minority on the two governing bodies in question will change the operation of this county. Many in my community support District voting – and the minorities are definitely in the minority.

I included the definition of segregation – just so we both had a basis for discussion. How has AA affected you? How has segregation affected you?

In my career, AA opened doors to me that previous to AA had been closed. I took the same exams, etc., as others and often exceeded their scores - but before AA I would have been excluded from consideration because of my gender and/or skin color. What was your experience with AA? I don't think we need to rehash experiences with segregation. (Were you alive during legal segregation?) Thanks for waiting. The dialogue with the attorneys on The View was very enlightening.

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My experience with AA

DM says, "In my career, AA opened doors to me that previous to AA had been closed. I took the same exams, etc., as others and often exceeded their scores - but before AA I would have been excluded from consideration because of my gender and/or skin color. What was your experience with AA?"
This how fair AA is, when my daughter was applying to colleges she applied to UGA and Alabama. She had a 3.6 gpa and scored a 31 on her ACT, she was accepted to Bama but was not accepted to UGA. Knowing someone that has knowledge of these matters at UGA I asked why a child with those number wasn't accepted at UGA. I was told that they needed to increase their minority numbers so they were taking minorities with lower GPAs and placing them instead of white kids with higher numbers. That in its self is discrimination. But it worked out for the best, she is at a private college and has made the Deans list every semester. But the kicker is she knew 3 of the "girls of color" that had lower GPAs and were accepted, all 3 have dropped out of school. Enough said!

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I'm sure you realize how many feel - for generations blacks/minorities felt the same frustration throughout this country. Fortunately my family lived in California. My mother was accepted at UCLA where she graduated in 1932, My husbands family couldn't even apply to the state school in Georgia, and graduated from some of the finest private schools in the east . I'm reading South Africa's method of Reconciliation. . It's too bad that we didn't use a similar approach at the end of segregation/apartheid . As humans, we all experience the same emotions when treated unfairly. In 2013, there have been changes.

Just for edification. In recent years, AA acceptance was not just based on skin color and/or grades, but also on participation in school and community actvities, references, completion of an essay, etc, please check the completion of the four year education course by race in some of the leading universities in our country. This certainly does not excuse the situation your daughter is experiencing, but her experience does not represent the AA experience of today . If you had grounds to appeal UGA 's decision, you should have if that was your daughter's preference. I'm sure you are proud of her accomplishments at 'Bama.

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I'll get back - regarding AA and Segregation. Looking at the Zimmerman lawyers on The View.

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"I firmly believe that it is the insecure losers who for some reason feel that their supremacy is slipping away as our country celebrates its diversity....."

In the current environment, be careful joining large gatherings of people, especially in urban neighborhoods. Those may not be the "celebrations of diversity" referenced above.....

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You are the poster child for insecure loser.

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Coming from you I consider that a compliment. But, you sell yourself short.

Here is what you are, since you went there first. You are a tired old fool, with self-worth issues from your youth. You act superior when you believe down deep you are really inferior. You are a broken record of racial whining. You blame all white people, dead or alive, for things that happened decades ago. You refuse to let it go because you love to wallow in it. You've gotten empathy for so long, you are addicted to it. You want payback from people who did nothing to you or your family members. You beg for a country with no identification by race, yet you yourself only identifies with race. You whine about a silly box that was checked on your birth certificate like that ruined your life. You are conflicted and afflicted, but too old and tired to change. You created your own purgatory and that was/is your choice.....

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Wildkity & Emmaneul Lewis

So just who in the hell is EmmaneulLewis?

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Emmanuel Lewis had a sitcom in, maybe, the 80s. My older children (now in their early 30s) used to watch it. He lives, or used to live, in Fayetteville.

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If you have documentation of Emmanual Lewis living in Fayetteville - please submit it to Wiki - etc. He is a role model to many. The current biographies state that he had homes in Atlanta and Los Angeles. Thanks.

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DM, from whitepages.com

Emmanuel Lewis
Home (770) 460-5878
859 Highway 92 N
Fayetteville, GA 30214-1364
Age: 42
Associated:Paulette J Pressley, Lizziebeth Lewis, Margaret A Lewis

My children's friends pointed out his house to us (directly across from the 'back way' to Hwy 314, which comes out at KFC & Goodyear) years ago, but I don't think he's there anymore - but I could be wrong as seems to be a current phone #.

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May be Emmanual's mother. Fayetteville should be credited with being a 'home' if this is the same family and Emmanual lived here. I also was aware of his home in LA.

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If you have documentation of Emmanual Lewis living in Fayetteville - please submit it to Wiki - etc. He is a role model to many. The current biographies state that he had homes in Atlanta and Los Angeles. Thanks.

His home was foreclosed on in 2011 and sold at auction. He and his mother owned it together.

http://blogs.ajc.com/radio-tv-talk/2012/01/11/emmanuel-lewis-webster-los...

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AHG, you don't remember Webster?

he used to come to the movie theater I worked at on hwy 138 when I was a kid, the old lychfield theater. It was nice, but couldn't hold on once cinemark and tinseltown took over. Kinda like the old dollar theater next to La Hacienda thats now a church.

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I think the message it sends

is not to get high on pot and robitussin and then attack a man with a gun. Probably a good message for everyone, not just black men.

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High?

Did you listen to the trial? That amount found in the blood sample of Travon was not enough to make him 'high' as was stated by the expert on the stand. TRAVON HAD NOT COMMITTED A CRIME ON THE NIGHT HE WAS KILLED. He was engaged in mutual combat - where self-defense was used. However, the message mentioned by renault314 is a good one. I still appreciate the father who warned us all of the supposedly 'unreal' marijuana that was used by his son and was responsible for his son's death.

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