We tried to kill it, but it just wouldn't die.

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Planned Parenthood Official Argues for Right to Post-Birth Abortion

This is sick. Whether a person is pro-life or pro-choice, no sane, rational person can advocate this nonsense. This is where our tax dollars are going folks, and the left just continues to be champions for it. Sick.

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Campaign Letter from michelle obama

Skeezer-in-Chief Promoted Puncturing Baby Skulls in Campaign Letter

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as a "legitimate medical procedure". There are some very sick people in very high positions out there.

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obama to fundraise for Parenthood as Gosnell on Trial

obama must enjoy the thought of living newborn children swimming for their lives in toilets.

Planned Parenthood Connected to Women Gosnell Injured in Abortions

Obama to Attend Planned Parenthood Gala as Kermit Gosnell on Trial

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Eric Holder’s wife co-owns abortion clinic building

Conflict of interest?

Eric Holder’s wife co-owns abortion clinic building run by indicted abortionist

“The U.S. attorney general has not at all pursued a case against any of them, including this one in Georgia where his wife owns the property,” Davis said.

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I am so surprised ***not*** ...

...that we haven't heard from the Pro Margaret Sanger types.

Seems they have all gone in hiding after Gosnell came out!

I wonder if ole Bacon is still protesting out in front of the Abortion alternative Clinic...

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The other side
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The Dark Side...

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/04/24/178826212/philadelphia-case-e...

Remember when it was said we would have women in dirty blood soaked back rooms or alleys having abortions if we DIDN'T make it a "Right"..

Well... this is where that "RIGHT" has taken us.

Funny how Planned Parenthood and our current President was all for Partial Birth Abortions in 2007...oh well... opinions like times change I guess.

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The Dark Side/Non-human behavior
Davids mom wrote:

http://www.christianpost.com/news/planned-parenthood-clarifies-position-babies-who-survive-abortions-should-not-be-killed-93300/

It still amazes me how little regard for life so many have. We are a world obsessed with violence, ourselves and our own personal gain - taking the easy way out no matter the price we pay.

Humans, a sad group of people many times.

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The sad thing about this whole situation is that there is so little concern about caring for that precious gift called life once it is manifested. Dr. Gosnell - or whatever his name is - is a disgrace to humans - but so are those who mistreat children and/or allow them to suffer in inadequate foster homes until they reach maturity. We as a country seem to make a 'big deal' about the beginning of life - but we are not known for caring for our children as some other cultures do. Although violence and selfishness appears to reign - at least in the media - I'm sure you know as I do that there are many in our communities who are doing a fine job raising their children. I just wish those families could get 'equal time' in the media.

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The sad thing about this whole situation is that there is so little concern about caring for that precious gift called life once it is manifested. Dr. Gosnell - or whatever his name is - is a disgrace to humans - but so are those who mistreat children and/or allow them to suffer in inadequate foster homes until they reach maturity. We as a country seem to make a 'big deal' about the beginning of life - but we are not known for caring for our children as some other cultures do. Although violence and selfishness appears to reign - at least in the media - I'm sure you know as I do that there are many in our communities who are doing a fine job raising their children. I just wish those families could get 'equal time' in the media.

How many times have I heard people who are against abortion at the same time spew about how they hate that our govt has welfare mothers and how we use so much govt money for these people. I never could understand how a pro-lifer wouldn't want to support the child and mother once it got here. If you regard life, you should regard it inside and outside the womb. So, I hear you loud and clear.

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RKS the two are not mutually exclusive...

... One can hate Abortion and hate that the Government creates a welfare state for Mothers who keep pumping out kids for a check.

Both take away personal responsibility... and when you remove the fear of failure and remove responsibility for that failure then you have NO incentive to change the irresponsible behavior that beget the failure to begin with.

If I don't want to pay for your irresponsible behavior why then do I have to accept and maybe even pay for the consequences of that behavior?

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"Both take away personal responsibility... and when you remove the fear of failure and remove responsibility for that failure then you have NO incentive to change the irresponsible behavior that beget the failure to begin with.

If I don't want to pay for your irresponsible behavior why then do I have to accept and maybe even pay for the consequences of that behavior?"

You said it all and quite correct. Just because you don't like abortion should not mean forced servitude for you or any other taxpayer.

In my eyes, with all the MANY ways of contraception today, there is no need for an unwanted pregnacy in the 1st place. Those that get to that place are irresponsible at best and don't need to be supported so they can spawn some MORE kids. It is wrong to keep having kids and expecting the gov (us) to support them.

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That's just it Suggarfoot... Contraception is FREE

for BOTH participants and yet we still get babies out the wahzoo..

Now I know no form of contraception, except not doing IT, is 100% effective...BUT... why do I have to pay for that oops?

If you are on a Taxpayer funded handout and you get pregnant then you should lose the handouts, maybe you get one but the second and out you go..

Sorry... sucks to be irresponsible in my World.

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the ones that keep getting knocked up

know what they are doing. The more kids they have, the bigger the house the government (us) pay for. Soon they win the lottery because the only thing big enough to house them is one of the John Weiland houses behind Publix in Tyrone.

I too, believe if you are on government asst. and you keep having more kids, you should be kicked off. That isn't the case. The civil liberty crowd sees to that.

Section 8 pays about $1000.00 a month to house them in a 3 bdrm. Then they get food stamps. If they have the air down to 60 and it is 95 outside, no worry. There is another agency they can go to and they will pay their electric. The wildest deal is the 'earned income' the IRS gives the at the end of the year. While they (IRS) are out there shaking down those that work for THEIR money, the ones that lay flat on their back and spawn on the taxpayers dollar, are given a money, about $2500. a child. Not a credit mind you (cause they don't need that...cause they don't work) they give them REAL CASH. There is no incentive for them to do anything except spawn another generation of bears for us to feed. The shake down of the middle class to feed the bears is a travesty.

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just to be truthful..

what we have going on now is a government program where the unfit/inferior are being bred at the exspense of the responsable, hardworking, backbone type of this country and it is sucking the life and moral out of them. We have a whole generation of leaches living off us. If they paid for their own kids, you would see how quick those legs would go together!

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Envy and jealousy - it's not racism /it's ignorance
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Soon they win the lottery because the only thing big enough to house them is one of the John Weiland houses behind Publix in Tyrone.

There are some Americans who live in Weiland developments who may have dark skins. They are veterans; college graduates; church attendees; tax payers; etc. This was Lee Atwaters goal - to equate hatred of those identified by the N word with the word entitlement and taxes.

You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” By 1968 you can’t say “nigger”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nigger, nigger.”

The majority of conservatives in this country are aware of this strategy, and have no part in this display of intolerant ignorance. The younger, secure generation can see the value in both conservative and progressive ideologies, and are anxious to elect and support leaders who can work together for all Americans.

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You are NUTS dm!

How you went from what I said to your racial BS just shows how nuts you are! You lay in wait for someone to say ANYTHING and you hang a racial tag on it. You want to draw attention to yourself 24/7 and it is VERY apparent that you feel being black is an affliction and your cross to bear. I bet the other Blacks can't stand you. Contrary to what you think...other Blacks might be quite put off by your BS.

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suggarfoot.. DM has ***CODE*** words...

... that by her standards change per her whim and can mean you are a racist because you dared to utter one..

So by bringing up Section 8 housing ***BINGO*** we have a winner... Welcome to my World of the not so in the closet RACIST...

I wish I could find that ***CODE*** word list so at least I will know what words are now banned in the English language..

Problem is it keeps changing seemly randomly by the race hucksters... Keeps us on our toes I guess...

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I guess...

that means DM equates Section 8 to Blacks and is the ultimate racist! (who didn't know that !)

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Ahhh you see through it too...

... she automatically assumes and assigns racist thoughts and meanings to everything you say...

She is not a racist but she is a bigot.

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No Suggarfoot

We 'blacks' no longer have to be quiet while you spew your hateful bs. Just like all 'whites' don't agree with you, I'm sure all 'blacks' don't agree with me. (That's why I often say "in my opinion"). Americans of a certain age have been allowed to express themselves regarding others without being challenged . I was taught to be fearful of white men in pick-up trucks. When I voiced this here, I was amazed,yet educated, about this statement. I learned that what I had been taught certainly did not apply to all white men in pick-up trucks. The 'blacks' who were raised here informed me about the 'code' words. There were southern whites who wanted to be polically correct, yet understood. I apologize if you are referring to white families that you are aware of in Weiland housing who may be on Section 8. I'm not nuts, but becoming better informed regarding the resistance to the diversity in cities like Fayetteville and Peachtree City. As I 've said before, these two cities could be role models as to what has been accomplished in the past 30 years. I know blacks in this county who have lived here for well over 20 years. They are business owners, professionals, taxpayers, etc. Their clients are representative of the diversity found in the cities. Some (you) appear to have a problem with a successfully integrated environment in the south. According to those who were raised here, the south was integrated long before the passing of the law in 1965 - but that's another story.

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Section 8

DM- I understand what you are saying but there are Section 8 folks living in Southhampton. I don't care if they are white black or green but what gives them the right to live in a better home then many hard-working citizens. Heck I'd love to live in Wieland home, since they are built so well. It is all relative here in Atlanta the majority of those getting gov't assistance are Black because of the large African American population. If you go to some areas the majority are white. Section 8 has not been a success because instead of bringing many of those families up, it has brought the neighborhoods down.

When I was in high school we had a section 8 family move next door. My mom was welcoming but they were trouble from day one..can you say Stereotype?
Cars at all times of the night, they trashed the home and let the yard go to hell, let their dog get loose and it attacked my mom requiring a hospital visit. When they moved my mom was so happy and the homeowners never rented to section 8 again after a $10K repair bill.

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I understand . Investing in property, especially if its your home, is a personal as well as a business investment. There are those who are working on improving the regulations enforcing Section 8 renters to maintain the property. The efforts are not always successful. Bad neighbors come in all colors. I seriously doubt that you allowed this experience to base your opinion on all people who may have had the same skin color as those who moved next door to you. I know that through my experience the past 60 years, education and culture is a better indication of possible behavior patterns than skin color. You are correct. In this economic situation, there are more 'non-minorities ' than before on Section 8. Atlanta also has the highest number of African American millionaires and business owners in the US. They also, like most Americans, worked hard for their success- and they too provide jobs for their fellow citizens. Putting a family in a Weiland home, when their meager income denotes that they probably cannot afford the upkeep really makes no sense. . . unless of course there was mandatory training on home maintenance.

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I haven't been in there in several years, but yes, it is common knowledge that it has quite a few Section 8. I know it was a problem for a while, not saying it still is or isn't. At least one house had to have a policeman move in and keep his car parked where everyone could see it. I know I was told by a realestate friend that the people who bought, had real problems selling. Section 8 was the problem. As far as the gov doing anything about Section 8, they never will. I read the latest 'reform' for 2013, and it stated they were going to be MORE vouchers to people with criminal background. Why? They said that if they were given adequate housing they wouldn't be as prone to committ crimes. Your lawmakers at work. Sounds like Cynthia McKinney

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So why would you limit abortion?

The goal is to remove unwanted children from being born, especially if the mother will not pay her own way. Abortion is merely another form of birth control. One would think that conservatives would be the staunch supporters of a strategy that saved them money.

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I'm not against it

But there is NO reason these days to get to the point of needing one. With all the contraseptives out there, there is no way someone that doesn't want to be pregnant should ever reach that point. I think the vast majority that reach that point either are trying to trap a man, or want a gov handout.
When the relationship goes south...or things don't work out as expected...they have an aboriton. On the other side of that may be a real nice woman, that already has kids that is barely supporting themselves and find just one more will take them down. I doubt these days there are too many of them around. They don't have the time to get pregnant because they are working, and most to the time they are responsible people that know what causes babies. We got two different issues here.

If the pro lifers insist that they (the dead beats that don't work and spunge off the system) have the baby, let the pro lifers reach in their own pockets and give them money. But since the country as a whole has said, by law, that you are free to us any kind of contraceptive around...then if you get knocked up for your own selfish reasons...WE AS A COUNTRY SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR YOU TO LAY ON YOUR BACK AND HAVE MORE!!!!!! We should not pay for your Section 8, food stamps etc. The wrong kind of people are being spawned and they are fast out numbering the good hardworking that are what made this country great.

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stf..abortion is NOT birth control

...rather you believe it is murder or just removal of unwanted tissue the underlying issue is responsibility.

Do you have children?

DO you give them a allowance?

If they fail to clean their rooms do you still give it to them?

Once you remove the consequences of their actions and place NO responsibility on them for their actions then where is the incentive to cease those acts?

If they are on Government, no excuse me, TAXPAYER handouts and have more then one child then out of the system you go... Like suggarfoot said above, watch how fast those legs slam shut..

Abortions are NOT birth control and should not be used as such.. This type of thought is exactly why we have Gosnell type of incidents..

http://www.dailycamera.com/guest-opinions/ci_23116301/gosnell-horror-sho...

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Abortion is indeed birth control

Abortion may not be advocated by many religious or conservative people, but it is indeed birth control. Abortion terminates a pregnancy before the fetus is capable of surviving on its own.

One may argue that abortion should not be used as a birth control practice, but denial of its ability to terminate a pregnancy (and thus control birth) is simply not true.

You'll find no defense of Gosnell or his practices from me. Identification of an abuser of a practice does not indict everyone else who follows lawful protocols in the practice.

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Social issues

On gay marriage: In the United States of America one should have the freedom to marry the person he or she loves. Very simple. And if you oppose this right on Biblical grounds or your obsession with sex then that is your problem. The Constitutional rights of American women are not controlled by the Bible or your sexual issues.

On abortion: It does not matter what the purpose of abortion may be. Under the Constitution of the United States as decided in Roe v. Wade, women citizens of the United States have the right to have an abortion for any reason they choose during the first trimester of pregnancy. Other persons moral judgments of the woman's decision do not matter. The anti-abortionists who force abortion clinics to close and deny women of the opportunity to excercise their constitutional rights and control over their bodies should be ashamed and arrested.

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Uhh...Lion...

...could you gives us any names of those abortion clinics that the ***gasp*** anti-abortionist have shut down?

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Lion doesn't have any examples. It's just more made-up liberal claptrap.

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maybe I can shed some light on when abortions

are done for compassionate reasons. Then some will understand, some won't. I'm now old and don't care what anyone thinks. For me, and my husband, it was the right thing to do.

When I was going to have a baby, I trusted the Dr. When it didn't have a heartbeat all the way to 3 and 4 months, I still trusted the Dr saying everything was ok. The girls I worked with knew better and finally told me something was really bad wrong. When I confronted the Dr, he admitted it was dead, that it never even got to a human shape and that few women carried dead babbies as long as I had. To go home and have a miscarrage, that he didn't believe in abortions. I went home and it was around 5 months I started to misscarry . It wasn't a pretty deal at all to see ...parts... of your own child come out. After a long time my ex took me down to the Dr's office. I was in a lot of pain and quite scared. The Dr was nasty and told my husband to take me home. My ex, being a former Marine, Force Recon, would have none of that. He told the
Dr what was going to happen to him if he didn't close the clinic that minute and go over to the hospital and do an abortion. He made the Dr give me a shot to knock me out and the next thing I knew I was in the hospital and it was over.

My husband had crawled around in agent orange being in Force Recon. For anyone that doesn't know what Force Recon is, it is the Marine's answer to Navy Seals in Viet Nam. They are quite a ballsey bunch. For anyone that doesn't know what agent orange was, it was a chemical the gov sprayed all over VN to kill the grass cover. The problem was it sprayed the troops as well. For many years the gov tried to say it didnt cause problems for the guys on the ground. Only after about half of them died of natural causes or other war wounds did they admit the destruction on the bodies of our soldiers. They also admitted it caused birth defects.

I got pregnant a 2nd time and this time had a different Dr.
This Dr was a wonderful compassionate man, and when this one didn't have a heartbeat, he was right on top of it. He told me he would not make me suffer and that the baby not only had no heartbeat and never taken a human form. It was just a mass. He gave me an abortion. A few years later, I had my son. He came through like gang busters and was the spitting image of his father. If I hadn't a good Dr the second time and let me know it was OK and didn't make me scared or tried to shame me into having a dead baby, I'm sure I would have never had the courage to have my son. So you see the good Dr brought a life into being because he did the right thing when I was helpless. This Dr was a high risk Dr. He was committed to bringing life, yet he was brave enough to call it as he saw it and say I had no baby as such, the second time. He was as sad as I was. I knew this man would take care of me and he did. He was the same Dr that pronouced me pregnant the 3rd time. He said I had a healthy baby boy! I thank God many times over for that Dr and also for an old Force Recon that wouldn't take BS off that 1st putrid little Dr. Both made it possible for my son to be alive today.

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I would also like to say

Our gov takes better care of the Section 8 bunch than our guys that fought for us!

The gov does everything but wipe butts of the Section 8 group. This year they have made it EASIER for someone with a criminal background to get on Section 8. There is NO time limit on how long you can be on it. It is a much bigger money pit than everyone THINKS Social Security is.

When I met my ex, he was in horrible shape. He hadn't been back to the VA in over 20 years. Reason? He felt abused and degraded by the treatment he received. Because I had insurance, after we were married I drug him kicking and screaming to a good surgeon. They took out more scrapnel and told me that both his legs should have come off after he was hit. He was in bad shape. This guy that had all kinds of metals from VN felt abused. With all his wounds, they had rated him 35% disabled. His check was less than what one of the "Bears" gets on SSI after they convince some crooked Dr they see little green men. The travesty of it all. When I went to divorse my ex, I was determine I wasn't going to leave him in that state. With all the records from reputable Doctors of embedded scrapnel that still couldn't be removed, etc..I got him up to 95%. Over ten years after that, with a lawyer, he made it to 100%. Please remember that what he finaly got was NOT on par with what a "Bear" gets with Section 8, food stamps, someone paying their light bill, and then the ball buster of all times...the $2500. a kid IRS ..CASH MONEY.. they get at the end of the year for laying on their back...and pumping them out. THIS COUNTRY SHOULD BE ASSHAMED!!!!

I also want to say this man worked on the two horrible legs of his...HE had no choice. Way to go America...support the bears..screw your heroes!

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On 4/27 DM wrote

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There are those who are working on improving the regulations enforcing Section 8 renters to maintain the property.

Putting a family in a Weiland home, when their meager income denotes that they probably cannot afford the upkeep really makes no sense. . . unless of course there was mandatory training on home maintenance.

I respect what Suggarfoot has shared with us – and know it to be based on her experience and certainly creditable. I have seen such atrocities committed on families who have served our country. Trying to improve services to veterans and their families through our political system and our current ‘leaders’ has been a challenge since the Viet Nam war. There have been very few ‘politicians’ regardless of ‘party’ who have been willing to tackle this problem. (And once you get someone to write a bill – it just seems to get lost in the shuffle in Congress) Race has little to do with this problem in our country – as veterans and their families of all colors have been treated shabbily by the VA in my opinion. There are those who are trying to change this. We have seen families lose their fathers, sons and daughters to the Agent Orange and other combat related injuries because of the denial of adequate treatment.

I worked with a group in California who wrote a program for training prospective Section 8 renters in home maintenance. THERE WAS EVEN A GRANT GIVEN BY AN ANONYMOUS DONOR THAT WOULD HAVE PAID THE TRAINERS! The politicians ‘could not get’ the mandatory training written into the ‘specs’ for Section 8. This was years ago

Below is the current listing of Section 8 homes available in Fayetteville/Clayton GA.

http://www.gosection8.com/Section-8-housing-in-Fayetteville-Clayton-GA/

There are more.

People who have never had the responsibility of home ownership; never lived in a home where maintenance was a shared responsibility need training before moving into an established neighborhood of homeowners. In Canadian urban areas, there are multi-level (homes worth different prices) in one community. The community works together in maintaining the appearance and pride of their community. A big mistake, in my opinion, that America made, was federal housing for all poor and disadvantaged people in one area with no or little monitoring of the upkeep and maintenance of the federally owned property.

What happens with problems like Section 8 housing lowering property value - is that those who have the knowledge and funds to move, do so rather than use their political 'power' to insist in improvement in the system. Those left - are not monitored - and very few homeowners complain as long as they get their check from the government.

Stories like Suggarfoot's (and I'm sure there are many) must be documented and publicized. Thank you Suggarfoot.

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Sugarfoot, you have a compelling story.

Congratulations on coming through these heart-breaking experiences. I'm so pleased that you found an ethical (and non-ideological) doctor who did what was best for his patient instead of his political party. Thank you for sharing the practical effects of these ideological issues.

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thank you stranger

That means a lot to me. If it helps someone understand and not be hard on someone else put in the same position, then it was worthwhile. We never know why God does some of the things he does, I've often thought it is so other people watching, or hearing about it will come away with a different perspective. I know I've learned a lot from the misfortunes of others.

I do feel when abortion was made law, they didn't have all the birth control they do today. Women were having babies they didn't want. Some were giving them up for adoption, some were not. Some that kept them, some... beat them to death. In a perfect world, people do perfect things. Ours in not a perfect world.

I feel women should be able to get abortions. I do feel however, that with all the contraceptives out there, the ones these days that hit the abortion trail might be mostly like me. I would like to think so anyway. Mine was dead and nothing was going to change that.

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On gay marriage: In the United States of America one should have the freedom to marry the person he or she loves. Very simple. And if you oppose this right on Biblical grounds or your obsession with sex then that is your problem. The Constitutional rights of American women are not controlled by the Bible or your sexual issues.

On abortion: It does not matter what the purpose of abortion may be. Under the Constitution of the United States as decided in Roe v. Wade, women citizens of the United States have the right to have an abortion for any reason they choose during the first trimester of pregnancy. Other persons moral judgments of the woman's decision do not matter. The anti-abortionists who force abortion clinics to close and deny women of the opportunity to excercise their constitutional rights and control over their bodies should be ashamed and arrested.

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In the strictest sense..

.. OK abortion is Birth Control because you kill the baby so no birth... got it.

However it should NOT be used as such. In today's society there are too many methods all FREE to prevent pregnancy..

The only reason that they are not used is irresponsibility and again why do I have to pay for your lack of responsibility?

http://www.liveaction.org/inhuman/press/press-release-undercover-video-r...

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Fine job raising children?
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I'm sure you know as I do that there are many in our communities who are doing a fine job raising their children. I just wish those families could get 'equal time' in the media.

Like these folks?

Georgia toddler killed by family pit bull inside home Yep, real fine parenting there. Where's the daddy?

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Intolerance gone amuck

Lindsey and Joe Kawfi

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Dm really?

How am I intolerant or is this just another attack and smear campaign by our resident race-baiter?

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Intolerance

Yep. I'm intolerant of people that aren't smart enough to know that they shouldn't leave a defenseless baby alone in the same room with a vicious animal. This woman should either be charged with 2nd degree manslaughter or be forced to get fixed so that she can't breed anymore.

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Lindsey

It's just another attack and smear by the resident self-loathing race-baiter.

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Joe, meet Octomom

Ignorance comes in all colors. The victims are the children if they are not properly cared for. The welfare system has been revised to discourage the use of 'pregnancy' to get more money from taxpayers. As of today, our culture, the American culture tries to protect the child.

A two year old suffered a horrible death. Every thinking American wants justice done. That will be decided by our courts.. . not the Joe Kawfi's of our country.

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Never mentioned race, DM

I never mentioned race- you did because you see race in all things. The person that left her 2 year old to die at the hands of a vicious animal wasn't ignorant. She was stupid and irresponsible. Shame on you for being 'tolerant' of such actions.

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You call American justice tolerant of irresponsibility ?

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A two year old suffered a horrible death. Every thinking American wants justice done. That will be decided by our courts.. . not the Joe Kawfi's of our country

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You said "thinking Americans" want justice done. That excludes you because you are incapable of rational thought.

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The welfare system has been revised to discourage the use of 'pregnancy' to get more money from taxpayers.

That statement is pure unadulterated crap! Name the law or revision in the welfare system that discourages welfare leaches from breeding just to get higher welfare benefits.

I won't hold my breath because I know you can't and that it is just something that you made up.

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Cause it hasn't happened...

... What they did do was transfer the program to the States and then Federally fund it.

I know of three women that have had several babies from different "fathers" and they are getting aid for each child plus living expenses plus free medical care..

Oh btw- each was on a Government/Taxpayer handout BEFORE they got pregnant so...

...and no DM these women are white so don't go assigning those infamous "Code" words to me.

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she is lying

DM is full of it. There is no such discouragement. I've had to clean up about 40-50 properties for an elderly relative. She had a lot of Section 8 in there. I've thrown the lion's share out. Why? they tear the places to ribbons. I've talked to Section 8 on a daily basis and I can tell you they do everything they can to get these misfits housed. The bigger litter, the harder they try to palm them off. I make everyone sign at the bottom of the app that they must agree to a background check. THESE PEOPLE ON SECTION 8 have had backgground checks come up with assault, assault and battery, forgery, shoplifting, just to name a few. I have let Section 8 know. They do nothing.

I've tried to talk sense to Section 8, that doesn't go over. I've tried to make the point that there is a 3 year waiting list and that some of those people on the list MIGHT be someone that deserves the help. That the ones that they catch beating the system or just plain won't work, should be thrown off. That the only ones on there SHOULD be...1. the WORKING POOR (most on there now lay flat of their backs and get knocked up AND DO NOT WORK OR MAKE ANY ATTEMPT AT IT) 2. the elderly (these current Section 8 get on this progam in their TWENTIES and there is no time limit..the same 20 yr old can ride it out till they are in theirs 80s) 3. the mildly retarded 4. the physcially handycapped.

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Child welfare in our country:

I don't lie - but share my opinion based on my experience.

It has been my experience that although there are families that have benefited from such studies and programs, too many of our children are not receiving the care that programs such as those below and others supposedly offer – and all are tied to ‘politics’. In California, there was a limit of time a woman could receive welfare assistance (In the program). However, as in many programs that are not administered well, the system was abused. In 2006, Geogia claimed to lead the nation in ‘welfare to work’.
http://sonnyperdue.georgia.gov/00/press/detail/0,2668,78006749_90413730_...

In Fayette County, you have sincere individuals and organizations that are working for children, the disadvantaged, the elderly, etc. See FACTOR
http://www.fayettefactor.org

These are samples of some groups in our country that are working on improving the status of children and mothers on welfare.

http://www.aecf.org/OurWork/ChildWelfarePermanence.aspx?gclid=CJmO8t2c7r...

http://www.mdrc.org/focus_area/welfare-reform?gclid=CNCs38Kb7rYCFYpQOgod...

http://www.partnersforourchildren.org/policy/policy-updates/recap-2012-c...

Welfare Reform

Since its founding, MDRC has been a leading developer and evaluator of programs to improve the self-sufficiency and economic circumstances of welfare recipients and their families. MDRC’s pathbreaking studies of welfare reform initiatives have provided reliable evidence on the effects of welfare-to-work mandates and the effectiveness of programs and services for people who receive public assistance[quote]

Georgia Programs:

<a href="http://www.urban.org/UploadedPDF/Anf26.pdf" title="http://www.urban.org/UploadedPDF/Anf26.pdf">http://www.urban.org/UploadedPDF/Anf26.pdf</a>

<a href="https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42768.pdf" title="https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42768.pdf">https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42768.pdf</a>

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The TANF work standards date back to the 1996 law, and reflect the policy concerns and the research on welfare-to-work programs of the time. Research on new welfare-to-work models since the 1996 law have yielded mixed and very limited results. However, some innovations in workforce and education programs have yet to be tested within a welfare-to-work context. Policymakers also face questions about whether the sole focus of the assessment of TANF’s success ought to be welfare-to-work. TANF has evolved into a program where cash assistance represents less than 30% of its funds. Policymakers thus face questions of whether consideration might be given to developing measures and assessment of how well TANF does in meeting other goals related to improving the circumstances of families with children.

I witnessed women who took advantage of 'welfare to work' programs, and were able to get off welfare within a two to three year period. Unfortunately, I also witnessed those who took advantage of mismanagement of the programs and their own laziness and found loopholes and corrupt individuals to assist them in remaining on welfare. The ugliness of our welfare system still exists - but it has improved. The lack of character and corruption in some individuals still exists. There are welfare to work success stories in a few states. Evidently, you have not witnessed much of this in Georgia. I do not 'make up' stories - for there are sincere people in this country to want to see change.

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That statement is pure unadulterated crap! Name the law or revision in the welfare system that discourages welfare leaches from breeding just to get higher welfare benefits

California revision for eligibility:

http://www.cdss.ca.gov/cdssweb/PG78.htm

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I apologize, I'm sorry

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No need to apologize - I'm sorry that attempts to correct our 'systems' are not more successful.

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Note it was a State revision...

...not Federal.

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Hogwash

Steve and Sugar

It's all a bunch of hogwash. The urban institute is a government funded organization, which makes any findings that they have very suspect.

The truthe of the matter is Welfare Spending has increased under barrack hussein obama.

The steady rise in welfare spending, which covers more than 80 programs primarily designed to help low-income Americans, got a big boost from the 2009 stimulus and has grown, albeit somewhat more slowly, in 2010 and 2011. One reason is that more people are qualifying in the weak economy, but the federal government also has broadened eligibility so that more people qualify for programs.

Think about it. If the government can get everyone dependent upon them then they can dictate what we have and don't have. Folks don't generally bite the hand that feeds them and Obama knows that; thus the increase in entitlements.

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Planned Parenthood on live birth-"Just Flush IT"

"When a pregnant woman posing as a patient asked what happens if the fetus accidentally “comes out” at home before the final procedure, a staff member replied, “If it comes out, it comes out. Flush it.”"

"The woman also asked what happens if the removed fetus is still “twitching” or “breathing.” The staff member said all aborted fetuses are placed in jars of solution and sent to a laboratory for weighing; if the fetus is still moving, “the solution will make it stop.”"

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/29/nyregion/video-scrutinizes-late-term-a...

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