Charity begins at home! The governors of New Jersey and New York should not have to beg!

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This is being shared throughout the country. It hurts when our 'leaders' don't see the importance of caring for our own (Note: the House/Senate not passing a bill to help our citizens in New Jersey and New York with needed aid after 'Sandy'.

Republicans
And
DEMOCRATES

Someone please tell me what's wrong with
All the people that run this country!!!!!!

Both
Democrats and Republicans
We're "broke"
And can't help
Our own
Seniors,
Veterans,
Orphans,
Homeless,
Etc.,???????????

In the last years we have provided direct cash aid to

Hamas - 351 M,
Libya 1.45 B,
Egypt - 397 M,
Mexico - 622 M,
Russia - 380 M,
Haiti - 1.4 B,
Jordan - 463 M,
Kenya - 816 M,
Sudan - 870 M,
Nigeria - 456 M,
Uganda - 451 M,
Congo - 359 M,
Ethiopia - 981 M,
Pakistan - 2 B,
South Africa - 566 M,
Senegal - 698 M,
Mozambique - 404 M,
Zambia - 331 M,
Kazakhstan - 304 M,
Iraq - 1.08 B,
Tanzania - 554 M,
With literally Billions of Dollars and they still hate us!!!!

Our retired seniors
Living on a 'fixed income'
Receive no aid

Nor do they get any breaks while our government
And religious organizations pour
Hundreds of Billions
Of $$$$$$'s and Tons of Food
To Foreign Countries!

We have
Hundreds of adoptable
Children who are shoved aside
To make room for
The adoption of
Foreign orphans.
AMERICA: a country where we have
Homeless without shelter, children going to bed hungry, elderly going without needed medication and mentally ill without treatment -etc.
YET.......................

They have
A 'Benefit'
For the people of Haiti on 12 TV stations,
Ships and planes lining up with food, water, tents clothes, bedding, doctors and medical supplies.

Imagine if
The *GOVERNMENT*
Gave 'US' the same support they give to other countries.

Sad isn't it?

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Foreign Policy

When will we learn that we can't 'buy' good relations with our global neighbors. Actions often speak louder than 'cash'. Missionaries, Peace Corp volunteers, etc. have often made a difference in how we are viewed by our global neighbors. Cash and military action have their place - but not to the exclusion of helping our own.

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Davids mom - Foreign Aid vs Welfare

Here's the comparison for 2010:

Federal Welfare Schemes: ≈ $700 Billion
State Welfare Schemes: ≈ $200 Billion
Foreign Aid: ≈ $52 Billion

The interesting thing about it all is that there are those in the world community that seem to think that we don't give enough. Kind of like the discussion we have on this board about the "so called" fair share concept. Oh, well. And the big rock continues to spin.

BTW, get your flu shot if you haven't already.

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Interesting!! (and I don't doubt your information) What are some of these expensive Federal and State Welfare schemes - and is this why our Congress has trouble giving aid to our brothers and sisters in New Jersey and New York? (By the way - I'm glad that has worked out; but many are going to keep their eyes open - I bet if the Gov. of New Jersey doesn't get the promised help for his citizens - we'll hear a lot more!)

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Davids mom - Expensive Welfare

What are some of these expensive Federal and State Welfare schemes...?

I don't know which component of welfare is the most expensive. I guess that data is available if one cares to research it.

Speaking of welfare, I seen where Oxygen Media (aka, the We Hate Men Network) is going to have a new one hour show titled "All my Babies' Mamas." It's about Atlanta rapper Shawty Lo and revealing the complicated lives of one man, his children’s mamas, and their army of children.

I didn't make this up; here's the link:

http://blogs.ajc.com/radio-tv-talk/2013/01/04/atlanta-rapper-shawty-los-...

We all know that odds are high that many of those kids will end up on the federal dole in one form or another. These children will compete with veterans and the old for each welfare dollar. When does this madness stop?

BTW, our old home state of California has 12% of the US populace yet it consumes 33% of all federal welfare dollars.

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Close Strike Cy...

No damage?

Anyway you have identified one part of the problem for sure. One DM will be very resistant to acknowledge. This is one of the issues that has to be fixed. We have to cut off welfare for those that just keep on having children so they can collect a check and we have to make the parents responsible.

Those like DM say we have a Social Contract to take care of these people.

Well first if they were disabled, mentally or physically then I would tend to agree even though many are gainfully employed and I think training and job placement instead of a "check" is the answer, but I digress. But just making babies is not a handicap and we should not be supporting their reproductive "Rights" and yes DM, the Racist speaks again, this tends to be in one community but is not limited to the black community.

The Entitlements have to be addressed. We are fast approaching a Fiscal Cliff all right.. just not the one many think.

But we won't or at least those spineless gutless Politicians in DC won't. They will just keep promising more "stuff" and more of the "gimmie" class will just keep lining up for them at the voting booth and nothing will happen until it is too late.... which I suspect it already is.

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Hey Steve L.

Yup, it was close. I lost my last tube TV and popped a few of those "super duper" compact fluorescent bulbs in that strike. Phone and TV service was also out for a few days. But remarkably, my internet service was not knocked out.

The gas line at the "corner" house near me was destroyed when that bolt went down a nearby tree. Additionally, they had a lot of electrical "gadgets" destroyed as well.

BTW, thanks for Christmas decorations. You and the boss really do a great job.

Anyways, about those entitlements. Something has got to change. But I''m afraid that the same old liberal handwringing will strangely ignore the fact that many, like the Atlanta rapper and all his "mamas", are just flat irresponsible.

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SL & Cyclist

That was my place that took the lightning hit. I am still utterly amazed that the gas lines did not ignite. It not only took out the gas lines in my yard, but under the street and in the neighbors yard across the street. It was a very impressive morning on Christmas Eve indeed, but God is still in control and no one was injured. All of the stuff can be replaced. Major Kudos go out to the Gas company, they had men working until after midnight on Christmas Eve just to insure that we at least has a temporary gas line to the house for heat. It was not till a couple of days later that I realized how much damage it had done in the neighborhood. Might impressive display of electrical power...Be Blessed guys

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Richard..glad to know all is well..

...was out of State and came home to see all the trucks.

Neighbors called and said theirs and my house were ok... So good to know you came out ok.. need ANYTHING you know where to find me..

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SL

Glad to hear you were good on that end. I spent a while that day checking on my immediate neighbors after I finished checking out my house for electrical problems and replacing all of the breakers and plugs that blew to see if they needed any help also (it is good that I have a background in electrical wiring)
Thanks for the offer, but the insurance company is taking good care of us and all of my service providers have stepped up and taken care of the other things. The only service provider that has been so hard to deal with was the security system. They have since been fired and a new system in place.
Keep us posted on the stormwater issue to. I will be the first name on the petition.
Be Blessed

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Well first if they were disabled, mentally or physically then I would tend to agree even though many are gainfully employed and I think training and job placement instead of a "check" is the answer, but I digress. But just making babies is not a handicap and we should not be supporting their reproductive "Rights" and yes DM, the Racist speaks again, this tends to be in one community but is not limited to the black community.

Programs that offer training and job placement have been instituted in many communities, but cutting entitlements that include this type of program is included in the 'rant' of some 'conservatives'. Leaders? who refuse to work together for workable solutions have caused the 112th Congress a shamefully low rating from the American people. Check on your favorite source (YouTube), and you'll note that the majority of citizens on welfare are 'white'. For the last four years, many of those are citizens who lost their jobs and 'middle class' standing. I have worked for the changing of and monitoring of our welfare system for years. It is very difficult to change the fraud within the system, because too many (good citizens) make money off of fraudulent practices - and not all of those are 'rappers'. If you would speak to 'facts' your statements would not be considered 'racist'.

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Davids mom wrote:

Check on your favorite source (YouTube), and you'll note that the majority of citizens on welfare are 'white'.

Of those on welfare, 33.3% are black, 31.2% are white, and 28.8% are Hispanic.

So, clearly whites are drastically underrepresented in welfare recipients, while blacks and Hispanics are both overrepresented. Contrary to the illusion presented by DM, both in total numbers and proportionally more blacks are on welfare than whites.

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Joe it is what DM does....

She ignores any facts that disagree with her VIEW of the World.

The fact is Blacks make up about 18% of the Population yet receive 32-34% of the Welfare dollars.

Whites get about 31% of the Welfare Dollars BUT make-up 72% of the Population. So by her standards Whites should be receiving the MAJORITY of the dollars.

She can spin it any way she wants.. Numbers don't lie.. people do.

But she knows that is not the problem.. she knows it is the LACK of FAMILY values in her community that creates the term " babies daddy" that is used by many black women.

Again like I said I don't care how many babies daddies you want ... I just don't want to have to pay for your reproductive habits.. It is not my responsibility that you have 6 kids from 6 different men and none of them pay child support.

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SL and Joe

Another point of view: Re: The face of welfare in the US

http://www.blackeconomicdevelopment.com/putting-blacks-and-welfare-into-...

According to your numbers, approximately 60% of non- blacks receive welfare America. Hummmmm. Interesting what one can do with numbers. LOL

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Numbers

DM is mathematically challenged. Our numbers didn't come close to what she asserts. No wonder children are failing in school with the likes of her in the edumicational system.

The apologists for failure in the black community do nothing for them by enabling them.

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What about the successes in the black community? There are three basic lies - little black lies; little white lies; and statistics. Numbers do not define the total of the human condition. When one finds it difficult to use positive words about anything, especially an entire race of people, the symbol 0 is an excellent descriptor of that miscreant.

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I said failure "in", not "of". Are you too dense to underestand the difference?
I know, the actual facts hurt sometimes, but you have to face the truth. What are YOU doing to correct the problems?

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LOL. My, aren't you up early!

Joe, the list of what I have been involved in - with many other Americans, is too long to list here. The fact that my 101 year old mother lived to see a black man as President brought me and members of my family great joy. That event gave many, white and black, confidence that in spite of nay sayers like you, progress is being made in the situation of the progeny of former slaves in this country. My mother was the granddaughter of a slave. She and her generation worked side by side with Americans of all colors to improve the educational opportunities for the poor in this country. This work ethic and goal has been passed down from generation to generation. There is today a higher percentage of poor and undereducated in the 'black' community - but Lord knows there are too many undereducated poor whites in this country of the free and the brave. Joe, we both could do more!

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I wonder when they'll do a special on Lindsey Lohhan's family . No one with common sense should be proud of the situation that some children find themselves in. My concern is the security of one who feels it necessary to always compare 'white' and 'black'. It's not really a concern, for I've been exposed to insecure humans for a long, long time. I agree with you that there are some celebrities who are not living the approved American lifestyle. Thanks for sharing.

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Lindsey Lohan???? That's so......well so yesterday. Today media's focus is either on Kim Kardashian and her little tummy bump or gun control.

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Foreign Aid vs Welfare again

All 3 areas need to be looked at. But as DM says I'd start with foreign aid. It may be the smallest in terms of dollars but there's something about giving money to people that hate us and probably use it to buy weapons to fight us, that goes against my grain. Especially when we have people here that need it.

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House & Senate

Don't blame them for not passing that support bill--blame those who loaded up the bill with money for things having ZERO to do with Hurricane Sandy--like money for Alaskan Fisherman and repair at a national museum--it's ridiculous. NY & NJ will get their money.

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Our fine reps and senators

They managed to squeeze in plenty of corporate largesse as usual. Don't want to do anything that might slightly offend lobbyists and favored nation corporations:

http://washingtonexaminer.com/tim-carney-how-corporate-tax-credits-got-i...

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We need a viable two party system

Read this article. This is killing the Republican Party!

http://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/chris-christie-shames-congress-boehne...

66 days waiting for relief is unacceptable!

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DM: Looks like we need more than 2 parties

The Repubs and Dems have failed this country so miserably that I am still amazed that the USA exists.

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I agree, 3-4 viable candidates would be much better..

and lead to much more discussion of how to solve problems, now we have one voting block in Congress...it's one way or the highway..Compromise has left the building.

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We need no parties

What we need is no parties. I know not a realistic thought. But wouldn't it be great if each politician thought for him or herself without owing anything to a party?

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Interesting thoughts

A Supreme Court justice once shared that what was important for the success of this country were elected leaders that would work together for the benefit of the American people. It looks like the two party system and the electorate has failed. You guys are engaged in an interesting conversation. I think the electorate would still have some control if corporations were not considered the same as individuals. I like the idea of an elected official being responsible to his/her constituents. What a novel idea. In spite of the excessive funds spent on our last election, the vote count had the last word. Is it possible that independent thinkers have more influence than 'parties'? Yet it appears that extremism in both parties is preventing our leaders from working for all Americans. Can anything be done!

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DM: It will be very difficult

The mindset of both the Dem and Repubs is to WIN and then ensure their own winning over and over. They do this by:
a) gerrymandering voter districts to protect themselves and punish the opposition
b) making it very tough to allow anyone besides a Repub or dem to even get on a ballot
c) start accepting graft...errr....."donations" from Day 1 from lobbyists, PAC's, corporations, and anyone else in order to build a war chest that can sometimes squash opposition both internally in their own party or externally from others.
d) pass legislation and award tax incentives/loopholes/breaks/rewards to their chosen benefactors while never considering "does this benefit this state/country?"
e) the media goes along with all of this and rewards it, frankly. Long gone are the days where politicians were actually challenged intellectually and called on the carpet at times. Now, you give a few interviews and go on some talk shows and the media gives you wide latitude because you let them interview you or appeared on their "show."

It will be a tough slog to get over the above but even the American people have a limit to how much BS they can stand and our politicians are definitely starting to reach close to it.

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NUK_1 - So

the answer is to get money out of the equation, don't you think? As long as we accept the notion that the government is the paymaster and solution to our problems.....well nothing will change.

It is money that is corrupting the system, downsizing the federal government and its power is the only answer. We can do this by "changing the old guard", repealing the 16th and 17th Amendments and limit the vote. Or we can just wait for it all to collapse. And it will collapse, it's only a matter of time.

The answer is individual liberty and free markets.

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PTCO: Yep

Most people would say that "The answer is individual liberty and free markets" is too simplistic but I wouldn't. Makes perfect sense to me and has for a long time and I've been struggling for a few decades wondering why it isn't obvious to most others.

16th Amendment needs to go away but I'm 50/50 on the 17th and go back and forth on that one quite a bit.

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NUK_1 - For readers not familiar

With the 17th Amendment issues here is an interesting link that makes the repeal argument.

http://www.rollcall.com/issues/55_35/-39156-1.html

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PTCO

An interesting sentence from what you shared regarding the founding fathers and their intentions:

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failed civilizations taught them that democracy has practical limits, and those limits include a majority’s tendency to disregard minority views and financial bankruptcy.

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DM - yep

They were men of their times but it was their ideas that have freed us all.

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DM - Further

Definition of Minority -

The number of people that are less than fifty percent of the population.

You know DM, like 48.97% of the people that didn't vote for Mr. Obama, it is they that are immediately ignored in a democracy. It is the this majority that is disregarding our financial bankruptcy. It is this majority that is proposing "minting' a 1 trillion dollar coin to get around discussing limiting the debt and size of government.

Soon based on the current trends in government largess the minority will be those not receiving government assistance in one form or another. At that point, the democracy will be complete and the fate of the nation sealed.

BTW, slavery had no positive outcome DM......none whatsoever. Please try and think a little, we aren't always talking about race. At least this poster is not.....as for you?

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PTCO - it was not the past

PTCO - it was not the past political minority that got us in this financial mess and two wars - but you appear convinced that this is all Obamas fault. Many are listening to the current minority. I actually like your idea of political communication .

Outcome of slavery? Very possible I wouldn't be an American! Got lemons - make lemonade!

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correct, it was democracy that got us into this financial mess, not Mr. Obama. Mr. Obama is just the most recent in a long line of many. My illustration was an attempt to define "minority" in your stated quote of my earlier post.

I would say lemonade is a good analogy, but bitter lemonade DM.

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Oh PTCO

Contrary to your understanding, African Americans just may rejoice that our forefathers survived the passage from Africa - and landed in 'America'. My family has benefited from the bitter fruit of ignorance and hate, in that we have also survived the passage of slavery and Jim Crow, and we re enjoying the journey of being part of the dream the founding fathers, Lincoln, MLK, and so many other visionary Americans. - including Douglas, Senator Edward Brooks, Shirley Chisholm, Carver, Banneker, Thurgood Marshall, had for this unique country that represents every human on earth. Progress comes from recognizing evil and overpowering it with good. Americans have never accepted evil as the status quo. That is our strength.

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DM - Choice

I don't think they were "rejoicing" DM when they landed here, and it is not about their progeny, though you try and make it so. It was about their lives and the total loss of what they could have been if they simply had the choice of coming here as free men. If our country had rejected slavery I would suggest there would have been many, many more on your listing in this post.

Overcoming evil, is not a wholly American trait DM, it is a trait of mankind for God in His wisdom made us all free.

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Overcoming evil, is not a wholly American trait DM, it is a trait of mankind for God in His wisdom made us all free.

Then why are you giving ''evil' more power than God, good ? Our country did not reject slavery; my forefathers, some free- some slaves, still experienced the good and the bad of practices throughout the history of this country and achieved more than some whose forefathers came to our country on the Mayflower. PTCO - there are many, many more successful 'black' Americans!!.

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DM - Life

You've done alright I suppose, but at what cost to others?

Life isn't fair, is it?

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Wow! It must be awfully dark in your world. Guess what, good will come to you too as it has to so many others regardless of their station in life. The importantt thing is that we share our gifts with others. - and not projected gloom. I'm sure that you have shared. Don't think that those who don't agree with your view of life share less than you.

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Smiling!

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I think your analogy is right on: And:

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but even the American people have a limit to how much BS they can stand and our politicians are definitely starting to reach close to it.

I also agree with you. (See above)

There is not one answer to solving this problem - but it is amazing what comes out of frustration and people joining together to overcome the BS. Unless a miracle happens - Democrats and Republicans who have not been able to work together for the past four or five years will find themselves replaced. Let's hope that their replacements are not sucked into the same 'pat my back/I'll pat yours' philosophy which has made politics stink instead of benefit the American people. I wish we could take 'money' out of the equation - but so many BigDonors lost a lot of money this year - that I hope we can put a limit on how much can be donated to campaigns.

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Why do you suppose those big donors donate? Limit contributions? They will just think of other ways to get at taxpayer monies. No DM, the only way is take the money and power out of the government itself. No money, no power, no corruption and let's rely on old fashion personal responsibility for a change.

Limit the size and scope of the federal government, then you'll have solved most of the problems but certainly not all of them.

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PTCO - A question

Please share how the candidates for office will communicate their policies - with no money available for campaigning.

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DM - As radical

as this sounds, I would like to see the candidate running for any office to write down their ideas, beliefs, policy positions, etc. and they can submit them to the media. If the media chooses they can actually interview the candidates.

I would say that should take care of it. No need to spend a lot of money on this, if people are interested they can look up what the candidates are saying about their positions.

At least using this method we should be able to see if they can actually string two thoughts together and write them down.

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check out nolabels.org.

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Thanks for sharing. (nolables.org)

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DM: Sad it is indeed

Thank u for that post and I totally agree with you and I also like how I don't have to go out and look up all those numbers on my own now:)

The "buying off countries" route has failed so many times and also put the USA in a compromised position afterwards. I know most AMericans hate the idea of "isolationism" or "hands-off" but that is changing daily when American troops come home in caskets or crippled for WHAT EXACTLY?

Giving anything to some of these rogue nations is abominable. Using corn as a gasoline additive (ethanol) while there are hungry people all over the planet is disgusting, yet we finance the hell out of it by mandating it, rewarding corn producers(hey, they are in swing states, Oh My God we need their votes) and drive up the prices on basic food that our own people need. WTF?

Just how damn stupid can we be?

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