Fiscal Cliff

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There is no way the Rs can withstand the pressure to implement tax cut legislation that would set the rates back to the status quo at the end-of-year for 98% of the country. Not after the higher tax rates actually take effect. So Obama is the hands down favorite to win the tax cut fight and the Rs will either negotiate for crumbs or lose automatically when the Bush tax cuts expire.

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Jeff C, I bet Republican

Jeff C, I bet Republican pollsters are telling them they’re winning the argument. Heh, Heh!

Jim DeMint is resigning from the Senate to run the Heritage Foundation. Dick Armey is taking a golden parachute from FreedomWorks. John Boehner is purging some TeaParty members from committees. With any luck they will all just fade away.

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Bed Wetting Libs

You liberals are something else. Twisted minds with vengeful motives. Similar to Muslims who kill in the name of Allah, but call their faith a religion of peace. Let’s look at the Bookman diatribe here.

Has the Democrat Senate passed a balanced budget in years? No it has not and refuses to do so. Has the Democrat leadership stopped spending and made rectifying cuts to save this country? No they haven’t. Have Democrats in the Senate tried to work with the House Republicans? No they haven’t. All they get are replies from that old liberal coot, Reid, that each initiative is “Dead On Arrival”. You reckless goofballs do not have the best interests of this country in mind.

“Since when is it ok for a major political party to hold a gun to the country’s head”? I guess it’s ok when the Democrat Party did the same with ObamaCare. I believe the country was 85% in opposition to that rammed legislation. Once again, your Chicago style politics to party agenda overrides what’s best for this country.

You people won the election because you were smarter in choosing your battles. You Democrats are the slick purveyors of propaganda which effectively remind the have-nots of entitlement programs and class envy. The Santa Claus Party always trumps the pragmatic party. However, you have not won the war.

We don’t use slick terms like “blackmailers” or “hostage takers” like Pelosi and her ilk. We don’t spin up the propaganda machine each morning. We simply put forth a message of dire consequences when threatened by a pompous thug president who just won an election.

You all don’t want to make any serious cuts and don’t want to tax the “middle class”? Ok, fine. Then let’s all hold hands and collectively suffer the consequences together. This Democrat propaganda rubbish of placing the blame on Republicans for the Democrat folly of the last 4years is ludicrous.

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Joe Kawfi - well said

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Bed wetting

We "bed wetting liberals" like a big Federal government.

We like more and expanded Social Security, more and expanded Medicare and Medicaid, more and expanded VA benefits, more and expanded funding for all sorts of domestic programs such as medical research, education, infrastructure, and I could go on and on. And a Federal government that supports and fights for civil rights for all Americans.

And liberals are willing to pay more taxes to support these programs.

You whine about Federal spending and and are willing to sacrifice the benefits for the poor and the middle class for what? More money for the rich? What a pathetic vision for the future of America.

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Well lion....

...You guys have won yet another presidential election and I guess I'm going to have to bend a bit on the platforms you support. For one, I'm going to support gay marriage because I feel it's high time those I consider deviant have the opportunity to experience the agony of having to deal with a divorce lawyer. An experience fitting for all who wish to terminate the bonds of matrimony.

Second, I'm going to go public in supporting abortion on demand since it likely reduces the number of future liberals by at least the same number of those who might wish to earn their livelihood. Not mentioning of course the stoppage of the spiraling crime rate some credit to Roe vs Wade.

Maybe you guys are on to something. Now, explain how we are to spend our way out of debt.

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WOW!
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Not mentioning of course the stoppage of the spiraling crime rate some credit to Roe vs Wade.

What a stretch!! Sick. . . and not so subtle. Yeah - if this continues - 2016 is in the bag!

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Not that much of a stretch

Actually DM it's not such a stretch. (The idea that legal abortion has reduced the crime rate). Google Donohue-Levitt hypothesis. As with any study there are those that disagree with the reason it happened but the fact is that the crime rate did begin to drop about 18 years after Roe ve Wade.

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It's a theory GS35

It also states:

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Opponents generally reject these statistics, and argue that abortion has negative effects on society or decrease in crime is brought about in other ways

. I don't disagree totally with the reasoning of the hypothesis, but there are other reasons for the crime rate drop. Better law enforcement and judicial procedures should also be included. Who is opposed to abortion? Who supports Roe? Interesting.

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As I said

Yep, as I said it is a study that can not be proven nor disproven. But the fact that it has been studied and believed by some very intelligent people shows that it is not a stretch.

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I agree, Lion...

...we should tax 'the rich' at least at a 80% tax rate because the US gave them the opportunity to be rich (especially actors & sports figures, as their contributions are not worthy of such income). I also think anyone who has over $20 million in assets should be exterminated and the money given to the poorest in our society. Then, we should hold Federally-based district tribunals to determine who has too much money for their needs and take the excess from them and spread that amongst the poor. Then, any remaining funds should be used for Federal projects wherever needed as the Federal departments see fit. Any and all decisions will override any State arguments. Any dissension will be met by force and put down.

I'm sure we'll see a thriving economy then (if we can make it happen quickly so 'the rich' can't escape and move their money & businesses out of the country), just like the USSR has...long live the proletariat!

Nah...it could never happen here...

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When you can't make sense

. . .nonsense is the next best thing!! Thanks KC! LOL!

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DM it makes as much sense as...

...taxing the 2% an additional $82 Billion dollars and people like you thinking it will fix everything. There is only one problem the Government overspends by a One Trillion 300 Billion each and every year soooo.......

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SL - people like me

"People like me" are very aware that only the taxing of everyone in the United States will not fix everything - but the message that refusing to ask the highest earners in our country, who pay a much less percentage in taxes - which support those services that citizens cannot individually provide for themselves, is a message that the majority of Americans reject - INCLUDING MANY OF THOSE WHO ARE EARNING MORE THAN 98% OF US CITIZENS! To fix this, we all will need to sacrifice in order to correct what has been happening for the past 12 years. Now that's my opinion. You can continually express yours - but it's getting a little tedious when you respond to me. Think for yourself - I'm sure that your ideas are not always triggered by something that I say.

Hmm. Another Republican joining the Democrat Party. We need the check and balance that a two party system (that works) provides. This Congress has accomplished very little - and it appears that the country has lost faith in the Republican Party as it stands today. Many say that even Ronald Reagan and his policies would have difficulty with the 'Republicans' of today. Sad. Four years of denigrating our current president has backfired. Now it's time for Republicans to join the Democrats - and govern. Let's hope The Speaker and The President can produce a bill that will help all Americans.

The Republicans who are speaking out - are blaming everyone for the Romney loss - but themselves. There are some who are looking for ways to correct the non-inclusive image of the Republican Party of today - but evidently there are some Republican leaders who feel it's more productive to work for their constituents by changing parties rather than staying in the current Republican Party.

There was an article by Dick Morris that says that too many 'white voters' stayed home in this election and did not vote. I know a couple of those 'white' voters who sat this election out. If they had voted, they would have voted for Obama. They were disgusted with the wasteful spending on this past election while the country faced this fiscal crisis - and this was the way they expressed their disgust. Who knows - is it to be assumed that all 'white' voters would have voted for Romney? Interesting.

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Wrong...Wrong.. WRONG
Davids mom wrote:

"People like me" are very aware that only the taxing of everyone in the United States will not fix everything - but the message that refusing to ask the highest earners in our country, who pay a much less percentage in taxes - which support those services that citizens cannot individually provide for themselves, is a message that the majority of Americans reject - INCLUDING MANY OF THOSE WHO ARE EARNING MORE THAN 98% OF US CITIZENS!

DM do you know what percentage the "Rich" pay? They PAY 70% OF ALL THE TAXES Dm... 70%.

Now tell me how is it they don't pay enough?

Ask the UK how their tax the rich scheme is working... before they enacted their "Wealth Tax" they had 16,000 Millionaires.. today they have less then 6000.

Look at California your beloved Liberal eutopia.. theu are in debt up to their eyeballs and the "Rich" are leaving in droves...why? They eat the very people that provide the jobs so....

Italy another fine example of eating their Rich... Wealth has been destroyed to fund the "poor" people that just can't seem to get it right.. so we must give them entitlements to make us feel good......

Davids mom wrote:

To fix this, we all will need to sacrifice in order to correct what has been happening for the past 12 years. Now that's my opinion. You can continually express yours - but it's getting a little tedious when you respond to me. Think for yourself - I'm sure that your ideas are not always triggered by something that I say.

Where is that happening Dm? Government is growing.. Entitlements are growing.. Federal spending is growing.. We have Nationalized Healthcare.. Gave the Fed Carte blanche to print as much money as they want and the President wants the authority to raise the debt ceiling into infinity.
We have a President that PROMISED to open the taxpayers wallets to every special interest group out there...

So tell me where DM where exactly is the sacrifice coming from...

btw- I could care less what the Republicans do they are no better then the Democrats.. All Government has become is a bank for those with their hands out to suck more money down the drain.

We need more shrimp treadmills and more genitalia washing tutorials for African men apparently.

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DM do you know what percentage the "Rich" pay? They PAY 70% OF ALL THE TAXES Dm... 70%

I pay 35% of my earnings to the government. Many of those earning 10+times more than me - pay less than 14% of what they earn, I think they can pay another one or two percent of their earnings - even it it is 70% of all taxes. I'm happy that they are earning that much money. . .and many of those high income earners contribute quite a bit to the poor and underprivileged in this country. There are many who earn much less and pay much more of their earnings to the government. That's my perspective - and you are so disgusted with our government - that you are getting ready to leave instead of helping those who survive this so-called catastrophe that you envision. Bye SL - and good riddance. You are not a good American neighbor. You are so filled with fear of those Americans who are different than you/not as successful as you - that you don't even recognize what your fear sounds like. Speaking of African genitals - how about teaching American men to put a cover on 'it' - so that American women don't have to undergo abortions? I wouldn't mind my tax money going to a program that makes it illegal for men to play without a cover! Like any government/business that has been poorly managed over the years - we're in trouble. Two different groups with different ideas of solving our problem have tried to overpower the other in order to get their solutions used. One group felt that if they denigrated the other group consistently for four years and stopped all progress - they would be in power in 2012. WRONG. You have stated that you have no respect for either group. BYE!!

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No way Dm...Do....

...you pay more than the "Evil" Rich.. You have bought into the false dialectic of the false premise that the rich receive their wealth from SALARIES and thus their tax is fully paid by INCOME.

Did you know Buffet's salary is LESS THEN HIS SECRETARY thus he QUALIFIES for a lower rate? Did you know he gives away his dividend income to avoid paying taxes on it.. His Capital gains, as well, DM to avoid Taxes.

You cannot be more wrong. Do you pay dividend tax Dm? How about Capital Gains tax, Estate tax, business tax? Do you think you pay the same property tax as the "rich" dm? Do you spend as much money as the Rich Dm so do you pay the same sales tax?

You don't even know what you don't know. But go ahead preach the theme of wealth confiscation and when those "EVIL" rich shutdown their businesses and leave to protect what THEY HAVE EARNED then what will you do..? Starve I guess.

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Well, with any luck, DM...

...we'll get there! Hopefully the district tribunals will look at pensions, too, and determine whether your work history warrants what you receive, and if not, reduce it to what they see fit. The excised amount can be redistributed where it is needed. There is no fair reason for you to receive what we determine you did not earn.

You said it best, when this administration can't make sense of the writing on the wall, nonsense is their next best thing! Well put!

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Here's proof that liberals...

really believe that money grows on those abundant money trees.

lion wrote:

We like more and expanded Social Security, more and expanded Medicare and Medicaid, more and expanded VA benefits, more and expanded funding for all sorts of domestic programs such as medical research, education, infrastructure, and I could go on and on. And a Federal government that supports and fights for civil rights for all Americans.

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***sigh*** CY

Lion exemplifies the typical mindset of the Progressive (BIG P) Liberal (Big L). We can spend and spend and spend and there will be no consequences.

I asked Gort that very question. I asked.. "Can we continue to spend in perpetuity without consequences" and after much prompting he finally said ...YES.

They really do believe this.

I can't fathom where they get this belief.. I am sure they don't live their lives in this fashion but yet they feel like our Government can just take from one group and give it to another and when the Government runs out of money have the Fed just print up some more and all will be well.

Well one of us is wrong.. That is an absolute fact. Either those like Lion are correct and the Government can keep growing, entitlements can keep expanding and we can keep giving away money well like it grew on trees....OR.... We are right and it's all going to come down like a house of cards.

Either way one of us is going to have a extra supply of food and going to tell our grandkids how crazy we were and the other will be begging on the street for scraps.

I will take my way over Lion's way any day.

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Hey Joe, if you got a wet mattress

I bet it’s not from any ‘bed wedding lib.’ I think you have a bad case of too many “tears in your pillow”! Heh! Heh!

If your condition is chronic, it’s probably covered under Obama Care!

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Joe Kawfi - doofus alert
Joe Kawfi wrote:

You liberals are something else. Twisted minds with vengeful motives. Similar to Muslims who kill in the name of Allah, but call their faith a religion of peace. Let’s look at the Bookman diatribe here.

Has the Democrat Senate passed a balanced budget in years? No it has not and refuses to do so. Has the Democrat leadership stopped spending and made rectifying cuts to save this country? No they haven’t. Have Democrats in the Senate tried to work with the House Republicans? No they haven’t. All they get are replies from that old liberal coot, Reid, that each initiative is “Dead On Arrival”. You reckless goofballs do not have the best interests of this country in mind.

“Since when is it ok for a major political party to hold a gun to the country’s head”? I guess it’s ok when the Democrat Party did the same with ObamaCare. I believe the country was 85% in opposition to that rammed legislation. Once again, your Chicago style politics to party agenda overrides what’s best for this country.

You people won the election because you were smarter in choosing your battles. You Democrats are the slick purveyors of propaganda which effectively remind the have-nots of entitlement programs and class envy. The Santa Claus Party always trumps the pragmatic party. However, you have not won the war.

We don’t use slick terms like “blackmailers” or “hostage takers” like Pelosi and her ilk. We don’t spin up the propaganda machine each morning. We simply put forth a message of dire consequences when threatened by a pompous thug president who just won an election.

You all don’t want to make any serious cuts and don’t want to tax the “middle class”? Ok, fine. Then let’s all hold hands and collectively suffer the consequences together. This Democrat propaganda rubbish of placing the blame on Republicans for the Democrat folly of the last 4years is ludicrous.

Really, Joe? Your rude commetns only show how much of an uninformed doofus you are, dude. People like you helping to keep this country divided are never going to be willing to work together to accomplish anything. You get today's doofus award.....put it on and wear it proudly.

Seriously - your hate is not very attractive.

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The Republican Budget via The Speaker this morning

The GOP still doesn't get it. They are playing right into a Democrat landslide in 2014. The electorate voted for a tax increase rate (the President's platform) of the highest earners (2%) in our country. The posturing is evident - on both sides. Until the tax rate increase is acknowledged (accepted), evidently there will not be further discussion regarding the cutting of spending. How do you have a 'balanced budget' with NO NEW REVENUE - that the SPEAKER has just said is NOT IN THE GOP BUDGET? I hope I misunderstood the report. I'm sure I'll be corrected.

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I say approve the 2% increase...

...on those who currently pay more taxes than anyone, then we can watch them pack their jobs & money and head to friendly shores. Just as with Dolly Madison, the unions can help destroy their businesses in the US and expedite the process. It'll be interesting to see who buys the now-defunct DM bakeries, and what wages they'll offer when they reopen. Something tells me it won't be near what the union turned down in arbitration.

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Food Depot meat dept

Don't know how to start a new thread, but just saying the Health Department shut down Food Depot/Fayetteville's meat department. It's nasty and the whole store stinks. And they're still selling leftover meat. Gross.

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Food Depot meat dept

Don't know how to start a new thread, but just saying the Health Department shut down Food Depot/Fayetteville's meat department. It's nasty and the whole store stinks. And they're still selling leftover meat. Gross.

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Why anyone would set foot into a Food Depot

is beyond me.

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Spyglass & Food Depot

Haven't been there in a long time but they used to have really good wine prices, even with the added 10%.

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OK, good wine prices..

that is a decent reason. :)

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Best Buy Gift Cards

If you have any, I suggest go buy something with them pronto. If you are thinking of giving one as a gift, just fuggedaboudit....looks like more empty storefronts on the way.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/12/14/investing/best-buy-schulze/