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Mr/Ms Lindsey

There are more Americans who still have hope than what your thought represents. Ron Paul was right - there is very little difference in the vision presented by both candidates. The election is over, the American people have spoken. They want our leaders to work together to keep us from going over the cliff. It starts today! This Congress has until December 31 to stop the projected fall. After that, they have two years to show the American people that Congress works for them, and not special interests. It is healthy to have different opinions - it is wisdom to take the best of the two opinions and solve problems and move ahead!

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DM, will the time ever come that you stop blaming Bush for every

thing that has gone wrong? Obama has been in office for almost a complete term. Where is his responsibility for the things he has or has not done? If we are being honest we will have to admit that one of the reasons he pushed through the 'amnesty' for illegals was to get the Hispanic vote. If he was that sincere why did it take him all that time to do what he did? I also think he has hurricane Sandy to thank, it took the country's focus off Bengazi and gave him an opportunity to look presidental. Sad to say, so many people in this country have very short memories, read little and depend on the popular tv stations to get their information and even worse, depend on their favorite movie or television star to tell them how to vote. I hope and pray that those of us who have felt that a second term for Obama would be detrimental to our country are proven wrong. Let's hope that all those in a position of power put the best interests of our country to the forefront and do what needs to be done to bring out country back to what we once were--and now that Obama will be starting his second term, let's put the blame or praise where it should be as he carries out his duty as our commander in chief.

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Mytimite

Thanks for your input. Now we move on.

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Mytmite

Very good points. Obama refuses to admit he made any blunders and his mindless followers have no answer when his failures and ineptitude are questioned.

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Joe! LOL

We have been so impressed by your explanations of Bush's failures and blunders. Sign up for new talking points. Thanks.

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YOU WERE RIGHT JEFF!

Faux News is now discussing how the Republican Party needs to reach out to the 'rest' of the country!!! It's time for Americans to come together and stop the divisiveness. If not, we will be our own enemy!! This is a wonderful country! God bless America!!

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Sorry, DM...

...but thank God we still have 1/2 of Congress, along with 1/2 the country, to stop the recklessness of this administration. We will have 4 more years of no budget, no appreciable growth - except in gov't programs. Thank God for checks & balances - the Founders were indeed wise! It will be interesting, though, to see what Iran now does (and Israel) as their nuclear program can continue unimpeded.

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KC

Cynicism and greed won't help America. Most Americans realize this, regardless of ideology. Constant denigrating this president didn't keep him from winning a second term. Americans want a sensible solution to our crisis. Non-cooperation by either side is not the road to solutions.

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Not cynicism, DM...

...just points-in-fact. I'm not sure where you get 'greed' from, because the banking & investment rules were rewritten after the collapse, so that should all be over, thanks to the current administration. Personally, I don't denigrate this president, but disagree with many, many of his policies and actions. Yes, it will take cooperation from both sides, but doubt that will happen in any great amount, when 1/2 want the spending to slow/reduce, and the other 1/2 want it to expand. I believe it really comes down to this, in the end, so I don't expect much.

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SL...

...the entitlements population & the survival of the UAW?

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Jeff and DM exactly what has changed for the better that would take the worst defeat of Democrats since 1938 into a victory in 2012?

Troops coming home; a healthcare program that most Americans like; the killer of American citizens dead; a respect of our leader in foreign countries; (there was no 'worst defeat' )

Why the defeat of the Republican Party?

1.The refusal of the Tea Party, Norquist and Rove to cooperate with the rest of the citizens of the United States in problem solving; the lack of understanding of the social issues that the country is dealing with; the attempt to impose individual religious beliefs on all citizens; the lack of realizing that the demographics of this country is changing - and the refusal to reach out and communicate with those who are 'different' than the majority of the Republican Party.

2.Unfortunately, the attempt to demonize an America president on race and birthplace instead of sticking to the real hard core issues that are in front of our country today.

3.The dependance on old strategies for poll-taking - and leaving out a good portion of the electorate in gathering information.

4. Spending a lot of money in the wrong places.

Electoral College:

Obama - 303 Romney 206

Hmmmmm. This is before the final 'count' is in. (I think)

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Dm..

2008 Unemployment Rate-5.2%
2012 Unemployment Rate-8.4%

US Debt 2008-10.4 Trillion
US Debt 2012-15.9 Trillion

US Workforce Participation 2008-66.4 Million
US Workforce Participation 2012-63.2 Million

US Foodstamp Participation 2008-28 Million
US Foodstamp Participation 2012-46 Million

US Disability Rate 2008-17.5%
US Disability Rate 2012-20%

Gas Prices 2008-$1.87
Gas Prices 2012-$3.67

US Food Prices Inflation 2008-1.08%
US Food Prices Inflation 2012-6.6%

..and I could go on and on.. So DM what was it you said was better? Obviously you can't defend Obama's record so.........

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Reality check SL

In spite of the obvious non - cooperation of the GOP, and Roves strategy to regain the White House, the American people voted for Obama and his record of forging ahead, saving the auto industry, bringing our heroes home, respecting women's rights, having an inclusive base. Let's criticize what happens from now until December 31!

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You'll just blame Bush again DM

BTW-how many jobs bills went to the Senate but never received a vote?
How many budgets went to the Senate but never received a vote?

So exactly who was not cooperating?

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DM, what is the GOP...

...not cooperating on? Massive tax hikes & reckless spending to increase government programs, raise the debt ceiling AGAIN and bury us further beyond the current $16 TRILLION in debt? Maybe the Dems should cooperate a bit more; you blaming it all on the 'stubborn' GOP is getting oh so tiresome. 'FORWARD' sounds more like my wife heading to Kohl's with the credit card; it's not a pleasant sound, seeing what she's 'spent' over the last 4 years.

How about us brave Americans suck it up and stop begging the gov't to give us our lives.

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And to this, DM...

...I hear 'chirrp, chirrrp, chirrp'. But, maybe you missed it.

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Judge issuing order to reinstate booted Election Officals

A Pennsylvania judge is issuing an order to reinstate Republican election officials across Philadelphia who allegedly were ejected or refused entry by on-site Democratic voting chief judges, GOP officials tell Fox News.
One Republican official claimed that "just under 70" Republican election officials were blocked from Philadelphia polling sites Tuesday morning by Democrats on site. One of them, the official claimed, "was shoved out of the polling place."
"For this many inspectors to be ejected from polling places is rare, even for Philadelphia," the official told FoxNews.com.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/06/judge-issuing-order-to-reinst...

Hmmmm...Democrat Election Officials don't want Republican Election Officials in the Polling sites.

Wonder why?

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Yes, and isn't it also interesting....

that the Black Panthers have reappeared at the same Philly polling sites as 2008 too? Wonder why they are there?

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You know as well as I do The New Black Panthers are there to help insure old white folks are not molested or threatened by the members of the Klan that ya know always show up....

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Yes, we can all count on them to make us feel safe when voting.....

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JZ

Obama was crying last night, at a rally, it just hit me WHY he was crying...
his buddy JZ finally caused Obama to realize he lives with 3 Hoes...rather than a beautiful woman and 2 lovely young Ladies.

JZ further pointed out these fine gals are nigga's not Human Beings, Not worthy people but nigga's... THIS WAS LYRICS at an Obama Rally !
and hey let's not forget it's Republicans that have declared a "war on women"
,,,or so Obama's hoes have said

if you voted for Obama, YOU have NO leg to stand on if some dumbbutt uses this word in your presence, by supporting Obama YOU have declared Nigga is an appropriate pronoun/adjective, for public consumption as is Hoe, and bches

I know silly me, PC only applies to Non Democrats

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Qual

This 'president' is a despicable, incompetent, racist thug.

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Q

If you find the usage of these words so disgusting - why stoop to using them? You're not a Democrat.

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DM

You're correct I despise the use of these words, BUT I despise even MORE
people who claim how offensive these words are, promise racial healing and then turn around and accept these words ,,so long as it's onlt "supporters" using them.
I HAVE a limit of self inflicted censorship, This CRAP pushed me beyond that Limit,
DM Ma'am with all due respect as your being my elder, there is NOTHING you can say to me that excuses Obama giving this a "pass"
Period end of story,,in my book.

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Hey - we know that no minds will be changed here - and hopefully opinions respected. I still find it confusing - that when I was younger (much!) Red Neck was considered derogatory - and I was instructed not to use the term. Now people wear it proudly on their T Shirts!!. I'll just try to respect those that I come in contact with. I have trouble with the N word - as do many my age. I'm sure some of my friends would be insulted if I referred to them as Red Necks or White Trash. Politicians, Republican and Democrat, have accepted the support of those that they consider 'ignorant'. Especially this year - they need the vote.

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Ah DM

QC doesn't "stoop" to using the words. It was intentional. No one on this entire blog had said anything remotely related to this. There were and are seriously considered speculations about the election and all of a sudden QC interjects with some absurd pretext to write that Obama's wife and two daughters are whores. Everybody here cringed reading it no matter their political persuasion. It was an embarrassing expression of vulgarity that does not represent the vast majority here who oppose the President but don't want their perfectly legitimate differences with Obama to be associated with that type of rhetoric.

Anyway, now we know.

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Code words

Many of my friends feel I give some too much credit. I still will try to expect the best from fellow humans, even if I disagree with their politics. I still cringe from being called a 'racist whore' on this blog. Anyhow - -too excited to feel anything but JOY!! President Obama until 2016!!

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Come on Jeff, you are much too intelligent to expect us to

believe you did not know what Q meant. If by some fluke, your reasoning powers disappeared while reading his post I will humbly try with my limited vocabulary to explain to you just what he meant. He was saying that a man running for a second term as our president had a rap artist who denigrates women in many of his songs as one of his benefactors and had his song espousing such on his campaign trail. Logically, Q was saying, since JayZ refers to all women and girls as hos in his songs, he must therefore also include the first lady and the first children in that category. And, yes, DM before you jump on the bandwagon and say that blacks feel they have the right to refer to themselves as niggas and niggers, I agree. But JayZ does not do this in the comfort of his home or while sitting around with his buddies. He puts this on his music which goes out into homes and over the airwaves. I find it rather specious that JayZ saw nothing wrong with these designations in his music while married to a beautiful and talented woman and only decided that he should not be using them only after having a daughter. Commendable of him--but what of all the other husbands and fathers, regardless of color, who heard him refer to women in the manner in the past. Why was there no outrage when these songs were heard at Obama rallies, etc. Don't blame Q, he didn't write the lyrics.

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Mytmite, 'JZ', or 'Jay Z', or whatever...

...didn't get rich writing or performing Nat King Cole songs; he did it selling 'rap' to his demographic. I think it's been talked to death how detrimental this 'music' is to the black community, but yet it continues on, with great support of our POTUS, nonetheless. I suggest you rent the movie 'Idiocracy'; you may see some semblence of our future in it.

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KCA, I believe it is JayZ but, hey, if he can abbreviate ho's I

can take poetic license and shorten his name. I was just following up on Q's post and missed that. Needless to say, I don't really listen to any of his music. This along with gangsta rap seems to me to be so destructive to the young people and yet there is not too much said against it. Guess you have to decide where your priorities are.

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Quallacherokee's reference to Obama's wife and daughters is morally indefensible. Only a purveyor of intellectual garbage goes there.

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Barry and his homies

It is well documented how close Barry is with Jay-Z and Beyonce. I believe it was their fundraiser that Barry flew off to in Vegas while the smoke was settling in Libya. Apparently, at the final rally in Ohio Barry had Jay-Z perform, along with Bruce Springsteen. Reportedly Jay-Z was repeatedly warned about his lyrics and language beforehand. One of his most popular "songs" has a line something like "If you're having girl problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but a b!tch ain't one". At the rally he replaced "girl" with "world" and also replaced "b!tch" with "Mitt", while the real word could also be heard in the background. Prior to starting the song, he said "I have to do it, I’m sorry.....so let’s do it real fast before they come up here and take the mic away.”

After the election was called it appears Beyonce sent out a Tweet showing "Take that Mitches" written on a piece of notebook paper. The tweet was taken down pretty quickly, but copies of the image are all over the Internet. Lots of money obviously doesn't equate to lots of class.

Jeff, you want to ignore this behavior from people in Barry's inner circle and call out someone on a local blog, that is of course your right.

As for Barry, when you roll around in the mud with pigs, you either are a pig yourself or you are acting like one. I'm saying Barry is not acting. Otherwise, you come out and denounce low class scumbags like that. It also squarely opens up you and your family to similar attacks. No sympathy here.

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You have understandably a limited source of information. The women of Spelman College and the women of predominately minority sororities throughout our country have an on-going protest against 'rap' artists who use derogatory words describing 'black' women. I'm not aware of any other group protesting this. JayZ changed, when he saw his record sales begin to change. This was before his daughter was born. Other artists changed before this. Those who refuse are beginning to come around . There is the 'freedom of speech' issue - but the best way to show 'outrage' is not to buy a product that is found unacceptable. By the way ` Q is a very intelligent young man who really doesn't need you or me to interpret what he says in this blog. He's pretty articulate and clear. Also, please don't try to 'guess' what I may say. Thanks.

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DM, you know what they say about assuming. What do you know

about my source of information? I am and have been aware of the stand that the women of Spellman College took against rap lyrics and applauded them for that stand then and still applaud them. One thing you are probably right about is JayZ changing when his record sales began to decline. He probably only used the excuse of the birth of his daughter for this change. Evidently the change did not go too far since he still used these lyrics recently. I have seen discussions with both JayZ and Mr. Simmons defending the use of these lyrics. Of course they had a financial interest in expressing this view. Evidently you are not as well informed as you seem to think you are if you are not aware of any other groups protesting these lyrics. As for defending Q, you are right. Q is very intelligent and articulate and capble of defending himself, I, like you was expressing my opinion as to the response to his posts. Is that okay with you--or are you the only one allowed to do that? If Q in any way felt I was over stepping in replying to that situation I am sure he would have replied in his own words.

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Latent report of knowledge - Mytimite

You stated to Jeff that you thought there was no outrage expressed to Jay Z's words. I only responded to your statement.

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Why was there no outrage when these songs were heard at Obama rallies, etc.

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You're right, I assumed that you were unaware of the continued outrage expressed by some black women at these lyrics, throughout our country. Glad I was wrong. Good night - I'm continuing the celebration!

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Since you included part of my statement as a quote you are

aware that I asked why there was no outrage when these songs were heard at Obama rallies, etc. I did not say that there had never been any outrage expressed. I very much admired the young sorority ladies who spoke up and demanded to have young black ladies treated as ladies and not referred to as bitches and hos. It was very brave of them to do so knowing there might be backlash to what they had to say. And what they did say was said very beautifully. I remember being very impressed with them when they were interviewed, they were beautiful, intelligent and showed great pride in themselves. I felt at the time that their parents must have been so proud, as any parent would have been.

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I know what Q meant Mytmite

There was no discussion here of anything remotely referencing any of those topics until Q all of a sudden felt that unlike the other 350,000,000 people in the country, Q could just no longer hold the outrage and so had to express nigga, nigga, nigga, Obama's wife is a whore, Obama's teenage daughters are whores... Yeah. Right.

Here's Nicki Minaj endorsing Romney: "I'm a Republican, voting for Mitt Romney, you lazy b------ are f---ing up the economy," she rhymes.

50 cent endorsed Bush. Look up his lyrics.

But no, I am not arguing with your correct premise and am not denying it a bit. As you say, I knew exactly what Q meant.

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Did Romney or Bush attend a fund raiser in their honor by either

Minaj or 50 cent?

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I don't know Mytmite

Romney was at several fundraisers with Kid Rock. His campaign theme song was Kid Rock's "Born Free".

If anyone wants to compare Kid Rock with JZ to see whose rap star backers have the nastiest lyrics, you can start with KR's "Never met a M*****F***** Like Me", "Back From the Dead" or "F*** U Blind".

Truth be known, I can hardly care less about hip hop lyrics. What was interesting to me was that in a blog about the election where the Republicans got wasted, someone pipes up with the n-word and calls the President's wife and teen daughters whores and I am the one who has to call them on it because it seemed alright to other people here. No one else objected a bit except DM. This attitude is a Republican problem not my problem. I use it to get my people to vote and win.

I can hardly wait for immigration reform when the Rs alienate Hispanics for another 20 years.

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How black is black? How white is white?
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Real class QC

You and Joe should get along well here.

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What a Load Jeff C

Class? you REALLY want to talk about CLASS with me on this? REALLY
are you sure you want your ass handed to you on an intellect level?
CLASS? The President of the United States ALLOWS this language on HIS behalf
and you're worried about MY Class,,,,,
as JZ would say Nigga Please ...........

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Yep QC

Your words speak for them self. The ones that are not offensive are preposterous. You probably think they're cute. Don't get angry with me when you define yourself. It's not my fault. Take individual responsibility for what you write. JZ didn't make you do it.

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Hey, Jeff, i only have one thing to say---------

Would JC do it? And by JC, I mean your father our former president, Jimmy Carter. Even today with the changing mores in this country, can you honestly say that if your father was running for office that he would see nothing wrong with having a fundraiser held for him by someone who used such language to describe women? Who used that language on CDs, etc that was sold to the general public? I think not. Unless I am completely wrong, your father has too much class and has too much respect for all women to put himself in that scenario. I do not think the fact that it might garner him many votes and raise him much money would sway him? What say you?

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No Mytmite

That would have never happened in a hundred years.

Ted Nugent threatens to kill three United States Senators

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Jeff, I used your father as an example because I have always

felt he was a man of integrity and honor. As you may remember, I mentioned in the past that I had met him on several occasions when I worked at the school your sister attended. He was always kind and considerate, Years after his term as President was over, we were on the same flight, and he went up and down the aisles greeting people. When he came to me I did not expect him to remember we had ever met but he did and again thanked me for the things I had done for your sister. One thing I always admired about your father was that he made no excuse for his morals--they defined him. He stood up for what he believed in and if that gave some people fodder for holding him up to ridicule, so be it.

As for Ted Nugent, we have known for a long time that he is lacking in the mentality department.

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Jeff C - Ted Nugent

Does he represent some supporters of Romney? I am so glad this election is over! I had never heard this . Frightening.

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DM and Jeff C

Pathetic attempt and I'm sure neither of you heard or saw the " actual" assassination and riot tweets by numerous Obama supporters if Romney had won. Ted made bone head remarks but in no way were they threats on anyone's life.. If they had been the secret service / FBI would have hauled him off. That is why you never heard if it. The liberal media would have had a field day with it. The word kill, assassinate or any such phraseology was never uttered by Ted in Jeff's Linked youtube video. Unlike the tweets by Obama supporters. But I do realize comprehension is a major issue with DM.
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/11/06/obama-supporters-threaten-on-t...

http://www.infowars.com/obama-supporters-threaten-to-kill-romney-if-he-w...

http://conservativebyte.com/2012/10/obama-supporters-threaten-to-kill-ro...
And you can find Obama supporters threats on you tube

So please ....your feigned concerned is noted

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Not exactlly Veritas

You never heard of it because your news sources wouldn't cover it. The Secret Service and the FBI investigated. You can look it up if you care.

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AHHHHHH Jeff the ever

AHHHHHH Jeff the ever assumptive .. I never said I had not heard if it. That was your buddy DM. To correct you again .. The interview the FBI and Secret service did with Ted was in reference to another bone headed remark he made at an NRA event and Not the video you provided and guess what they determined ...it was not a threat.. deedeedee.Now did those same agencies investigate the literal assassination and rioting threats made by Obamanites? My new sources unlike your limited references CNN, MSNBC, NPR and yes Fox among many other media and news sources.I hear all sides before I decide unlike you an yours.
Try again
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Veritas

What I was referring to was I never heard such hateful, ignorant , gun-toting, trash. As the commentators on Fox tried to point out to Ted Nugent - threats are common to those who are in the public life. I'm sure Mr. Nugent has 'guards' and of course our public officials have the secret service.

Where were your sources of accurate information in predicting the outcome of this election? I think I'll go along with the Nate Silvers and the Jeff Carters on supplying accurate information - to help with my inability to comprehend. Trash comes in all colors - and I hope everyone recognizes trash for what they are. Money and popularity does not always go hand in hand with intelligence and class. I'm glad you consider Ted Nugents comments 'bone-headed'.

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DM

My sources were spot on... I posted since the end of the republican primary .. That's pre- and post election I stated Romney didn't stand a chance we were going to be stuck with Obama for another term. Much like Jeff you Assume much about those you know nothing about. Now where were your bastions of virtue , truth and justice for these thuggy , ghetto trash , hateful individuals tweeted and posted their real threats
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/11/06/obama-supporters-threaten-on-t...

http://www.infowars.com/obama-supporters-threaten-to-kill-romney-if-he-w...

http://conservativebyte.com/2012/10/obama-supporters-threaten-to-kill-ro...
I'm sure you never heard such as this either..
Right
Have a good night ;-)

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The Election

Extremely encouraged by the reported turnout in our country. Regardless of the outcome, Americans are taking advantage of a very important opportunity in a 'democracy'. I am concerned about the reported 'attempts' at suppressing the vote. I had to make a 'report' right here in Fayette County. I do not believe there was any 'racial' implication intended - just poor implementation of the training of the polling staff. Procedures are given, and it is important that these procedures are followed. In an attempt to provide service quickly, some people were given voting cards that were invalid; some information regarding registration was not accurate. I observed all those who were involved receive the correct cards - and after calling ?? to verify registration, were permitted to vote. It just happened that all voters in this situation that I observed were 'minority'. All poll workers were 'white'. Never saw this situation before in Fayette County.

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Well DM

Let us take a moment to review.

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1: Kudlow said on his CNBC show “The Kudlow Report” on Oct. 25: ”I am now predicting a 330 vote electoral landslide.”

Well, it didn’t turn out that way at all did it?

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2: MSNBC Jow Scarbough... “But my gut tells me there are two likely scenarios: (1) President Obama will squeak out a narrow Electoral College victory or (2) Mitt Romney will carry Ohio and be swept into office by a comfortable margin. After practicing politics for 20 years, I suppose I would rather be in Mitt Romney’s shoes than Barack Obama’s. Incumbents who are under 50 percent two weeks out usually go down to defeat.”

Nope.

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3: Karl Rove... "Let’s call it 51%-48%, with Mr. Romney carrying at least 279 Electoral College votes, probably more.”

What did anybody expect Karl Rove to say? “Hey, sorry about that $220,000,000 that you gave me but we’re going to lose in a landslide anyway?”

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4: George Will... “This Week,” predicting a 321-217 landslide that included nearly every swing state including Minnesota.

Do you really think George Will had no clue or was he just lying?

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5: Dick Morris...“The most likely outcome? Eight GOP takeaways and two giveaways for a net gain of six. A 53-47 Senate, just like we have now, only opposite. Barack Obama’s parting gift to the Democratic Party.”

Dick Morris. Hahahaha. Dick Morris. Hahahaha. Dick Morris may be the stupidest political analyst ever, ahead of the idiots writing at Breitbart and only marginally more credible that WorldNutDaily. I’m waiting for Dick Morris, Breitbart and the geniuses at Unskewed Polls to release the REAL vote counts soon. Maybe Romney won after all?

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6: Washington Examiner Michael Barone... ”Bottom line: Romney 315, Obama 223. That sounds high for Romney. But he could drop Pennsylvania and Wisconsin and still win the election. Fundamentals.”

Yes. Fundamentals. Michael knew better.

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7: Wayne A. Root...“I’m predicting a 5 to 7 point popular vote victory. Electorally it won’t even be that close. Romney will win many states that went to Obama in 2008. I’m predicting Romney victories in Ohio, Florida, Colorado, Virginia, Iowa, Wisconsin, New Hampshire, North Carolina, and Indiana. I predict a Romney victory by 100 to 120 electoral votes.”

Let’s see, predicting Romney victories in Ohio (Obama 50.1%, Romney 48.2%), Florida (Obama 49.9%, Romney 49.3%), Colorado (Obama 51.2%, Romney 46.5%), Virginia (Obama 50.8%, Romney 47.8%), Iowa(Obama 52.1%, Romney 46.5%), Wisconsin (Obama 52.8%, Romney 46.1%), New Hampshire (Obama 52.2%, Romney 46.5%). He got North Carolina and Indiana right though! Actually, I had never heard of Wayne Root and given the insightfulness of his predictions, I haven't missed anything.

Thanks again to the Tea Party for the Democratic gains in the House and Senate with particular congratulations to Claire McCaskill for beating Todd Akin and Joe Donnelly for defeating Richard Mourdock. The pro-rape wing of the Tea Party was handily defeated.

Florida was a particularly nice surprise. No amount of voter obstruction could keep them from voting. In fact, the Republican’s voter suppression campaign in Miami-Dade County angered people enough that they were determined to stand in line for 7 hours to vote. Marco Rubio’s home county but he couldn’t deliver it to Mitt. And there was icing on the cake from Florida with the latest final returns showing that Allen West was defeated. One less dirt bag in Congress.

So, did anybody call the election right?

I predicted predict that Obama probably had CA, CO, CT, DC, DE, IL, MA, MD, ME, MN, NJ, NM, NY, OR, PA, RI, VT and WA for 230 delegates, and Romney probably has AL, AR, AZ, GA, ID, IN, KS, KY, LA, MO, MS, MT, ND, NE, OK, SC, SD, TN, TX, UT, WV and WY for 191 delegates. All of those were correct.

Florida – “… the trend is toward Obama”.

Ohio - “Obama is ahead by 3%”.

Virginia – “Obama is ahead in Virginia and may very well take the state.”

“Colorado is going for Obama.”

“Iowa is Obama’s and so is Nevada.”

“Wisconsin is going to Obama.”

Did I end up calling every single state right? A tip of the hat to Nate Silver.

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:-)!! Can't blame Bush for this!! Good analysis - to you and Nate Silver.

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Oh DM, BTW

The most accurate polling turned out to be a tie between PPP and Daily Kos/SEIU/PPP.

NBC/WSJ tied CBS/NYT for the sixth most accurate polling.

FOX tied NewsMax at 15th place.

Rasmussen and Gallup tied for 24th most accurate polling.

How would you like to be a right-wing conservative contemplating that? The more faith you had in your conservative sources of information like FOX and NewMax, the less likely that source was to be accurate and the sources that are denigrated the most in conservative ideology, like Daily Kos, are the most accurate.

Hmmmm.

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Those who used the old standard for 'most likely voters' were way off! Americans voted this year - and I think the trend will continue. There are valid points to both liberal and conservative opinions. Those holding a more moderate view of issues than SOME conservatives showed up at the voting booth. Rasmussen really was way off this year. . As was Gallup. The result must have been a shock to those who didn't check out other analysis. I was in Iowa and Missouri - and the result of the election was the result of a lot of hard work. Thanks for sharing.

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The danger to America is not only Barack Hussein Obama but also a citizenry capable of entrusting an inexperienced, incompetent man like him and his sidekick Shemp to lead the country. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of Idiots such as those who made him their president.”

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Kawfi and the American people

I have been listening today to the right wing reaction to the re-election of President Obama. And Kawfi's posting reflects one of the conservatives main laments--that the American people are too dumb or too naive or have been misled by the media so that they chose President Obama and rejected the extreme conservative positions which, of course, are the only true ones for our country.

Contempt for the American voters is not a winning formula for the Republicans.

Women voters rejected a Republican party which embraced the most extreme views on abortion--rape is kinda OK if it results in a pregnancy.

Hispanic voters rejected a Republican party which embraced the most extreme views on immigration reform--round them up and deport them or make life here so miserable for undocumented immigrants that they will self deport.

African-American voters rejected a Republican party that years ago sold its soul for the "Southern strategy" and accepts in his midst bigots of various degrees.

Republicans need to change their message if they have any chance of being relevant in the future. Trying to persuade women, Hispanics, and African-Americans to accept extreme conservative positions is a non-starter.

And many liberal white men reject the current Republican message as well.

Personally, I do not care if the conservatives find a way to be relevant. In the meantime, they are just fodder for the Daily Show and Bill Maher.

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I heard the same thing lion

Rather than graciously accept defeat as their leader did in his concession speach, the conservative talkers approach was to delegitamize the electorate. The premise being that if you don't agree with Rush, Sean, Laura, etc. you must be misinformed. It's a sad commentary on the state of the GOP and pure projection.

The perceived need to pull far to the right is a losing strategy and if perpetuated will lead to more and more lost seats. 2014 bodes well for the Democratic party if the GOP can't break from the influence of the RWNJ fringe and insists on doubling down on failure. The white male majority is shrinking and the regressive, antiquated views of the party extremists have doomed the party to irrelevance.

Moderate voices will likely emerge from the ruins, but it's a long way home.

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It's not a matter of trying to pull people to the far right. It's a matter of how could anyone in their right mind elect a man bereft of any new ideas other than taxing the rich to fix the economy.

No ideas on reducing spending
No ideas on fixing social security - they are just going to let it go completely bankrupt. There will be nothing left for people like myself who have paid into it for their entire life.. The libs plan was to give it all away to illegals by allowing them to stay in the United States illegally.
No ideas on creating an environment that allows businesses to create jobs

The fact of the matter is, Obama bought this election using taxpayer money.
He bought off the unions by paying them off through the auto bailout using taxpayer money. (Which was illegal, and the people that got the shaft are now suing the Federal government, so it will now cost taxpayers even more. He bought the latino vote through bypassing congress instead of working with him. Now this nimrod wants us all to work together when he just goes around the law? He can shove it up his posterior.

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No ideas on reducing spending
No ideas on fixing social security - they are just going to let it go completely bankrupt. There will be nothing left for people like myself who have paid into it for their entire life.. The libs plan was to give it all away to illegals by allowing them to stay in the United States illegally.
No ideas on creating an environment that allows businesses to create jobs

The above validates the lack of credibility of this poster. Anyone who reads the issues - and they are available from both parties - see that there are many solutions that are the same or very close to being the same. There has been a statement from the GOP that may mean that there is hope for LEADERS to work together to acknowledge those areas where they agree - and work on resolving those areas where they don't agree. THAT'S WHAT WE PAY THEM FOR!!

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He can shove it up his posterior.

Almost as bad as JayZ (NOT!)

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Thanks for the fact free response

During Obama's first term, federal spending rose less than at any time in the past 60 years.
Social Security will be tweaked to make it sustainable for generations to come. It is currently solvent and will be for decades.
Your rant on illegals is nonsensical. No response required.
Taxes have been reduced on small businesses.

The auto bailout saved the industry and 100's of thousands of jobs. GM and Chrysler are still in business as are all of their suppliers and the small businesses in all of those factory towns.

Which law was skirted. Name one, and try to be specific.

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Facts in numbers as percentages to GDP

as compared to percentages of GDP which you conveniently fail to include with your misinformation.
Facts in Numbers
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2012/06/01/presiden...

and most spending cuts during Obama,s first term were due to the push by congressional Republicans.

PS. another link from Fact check that all the bloggers love so much
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas-spending-inferno-or-not/

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Thanks for the fact free response

During Obama's first term, federal spending rose less than at any time in the past 60 years.
Social Security will be tweaked to make it sustainable for generations to come. It is currently solvent and will be for decades.
Your rant on illegals is nonsensical. No response required.
Taxes have been reduced on small businesses.

The auto bailout saved the industry and 100's of thousands of jobs. GM and Chrysler are still in business as are all of their suppliers and the small businesses in all of those factory towns.

Which law was skirted. Name one, and try to be specific.

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albion..some facts for you...
albion wrote:

Social Security will be tweaked to make it sustainable for generations to come. It is currently solvent and will be for decades.

"This year, the system will pay out more in benefits than it receives in payroll taxes, an important threshold it was not expected to cross until at least 2016, according to the Congressional Budget Office."New Your Times.

BTW- that was in 2010

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Wait a minute Joe

That's all? A two year old reprint of part of an anti-American screed published in a Czech newspaper denigrating Americans for electing Obama:

Translated from Czech Republic Newspaper (Prager Zeitung - 4/28/2010)

But you've been asserting here for two years at least that there was absolutely no way that President Obama would be re-elected. I mean, according to you for years, you were dead certain that Obama would never win under any circumstances and that it didn't even matter who ran against him because anybody, anywhere could and would beat him.

There didn't seem to me to be much question of your certainty. If fact, I send this one around as an example of the local conservative thought here:

Joe Kawfi wrote:

The skank Michelle will still be first lady the day after election day. Her oversized posterior won't be tossed out until Jan 20, 2013 when the new Republican POTUS is sworn in. Jaggoff.

And now the election is over and Obama won and all we get is a retreaded quote from some letter in a Czech newspaper?

Frankly, I think lots of people here would like to hear whatever explanation you might offer as to how your analyses of the political situation has been so passionately certain and expressed with such fervent vigor and yet has been so utterly wrong.

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Frankly, it's a idiotic assumption on your part that anyone could give a rats ass what I have to say here. Only a narcissitic jaggoff like yourself would think that their opinion holds any value on this blog. How could I be so utterly wrong? Are you kidding? What a stupid question. That's like asking how I could be so utterly wrong about the results of a coin toss. Obama did not win by that much. He bought the Hispanic vote with our tax dollars and by completely bypassing the other 2 branches of government. Obama's nothing but a petty dictator. He expects the other side to work with him, when from day one he could care less about republican ideas. He deserves no respect or cooperation because he cares not for the will of the majority of Americans.
I would not be suprised if he is removed from office for overstepping the boundries set out in the constitution of the United States that he holds so much in contempt. Obama deserves to be spat upon, nothing less.

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And yet Joe

It may have been as unpredictable to you as a coin toss but that's just because the sources for your information are liars and that's what you seek out.

On the other hand, some of us knew what was happening, said it before the election, and were right.

I wonder what the difference could possibly be?

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Kawfi - History

The facts are that since the founding of the country only 10 presidents have been unseated in their second term. Nine of those had primaries where they were challenged by their own party. One, Mr. Hoover lost because he was a social engineer that ran the country into the ground.

The fact is that it is very difficult to throw out a sitting president. I told an acquaintance just after Mr. Obama was elected that the country was in for 8 years of socialism. We have four more years to go.

However, with that said, it doesn't matter who is elected president. The country is in deep, deep trouble. While the debt crisis was not started by Mr. Obama he has made it worse. The country will likely not survive in its current form and most certainly the financial system will collapse under the weight of this debt load. It is only a matter of time.

When Mr. Obama packs the SCOTUS with three more activist judges, we will have more problems surviving the "emergencies" that will arise.

Democracies always fail, primarily due to the citizens demanding more and more provision from the government. The mob has the keys to the treasury.

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Free Stuff won out over Freedom...

Free Stuff won out over Freedom.. the 47% voted themselves the largess of Government to plunder from those of us that pay the tax..." when plunder is organized by law for the profit of those who make the law, all the plundered classes try somehow to enter – by peaceful or revolutionary means – into the making of laws."

"The acceptance of these arguments will build legal plunder into a whole system. In fact, this has already occurred. The present-day delusion is an attempt to enrich everyone at the expense of everyone else; to make plunder universal under the pretense of organizing it." Bastiat The Laws of Plunder.

The Majority has legalized the Plunder of the Minority for their own enrichment. Remember this when they run out of their money yours is next.
If you think taxes are not going to go up you are simply wrong...If you think prices will come down.. you are simply wrong...If you think the economy will correct itself by spending more money... you are simply wrong...

Prediction.. Businesses will begin to shutdown instead of incurring the taxes. Doctors will leave their practice instead of providing forced free service..Gas and Energy is going to rise.. This time next year Energy will double in cost.
We will be entering a new depression.

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SL, the stock market...

...spoke VOLUMES yesterday about the future of business and development in the US. Tax incentives aren't going to keep many jobs/companies from packing up a majority of their operations and heading to friendlier shores, IMHO, and they'll give unions the finger on their way out. Anyway, looks like a cheery future for us all!

As a coincidental aside, my brother just returned from a trip to the Pacific NW and learned there's a Longshoreman's union in Washington who recently used their power to rebuff automation equipment upgrades by a major employer. He was appalled to learn these laborers make well over $100,000/yr for a 40-hr work week, not including overtime. There's a 'equal chance' for you...

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KC.. that supposed $7 Trillion...

...that businesses are setting on will now never see the light of day. Our Company saw a $237,000 increase in our Medical coverage cost. We had to go offshore or lose our coverage completely.

Taxes are going to rise.. and not just on the "Evil Rich".

Prices for energy is going up.

Businesses are going to not hire if production can be kept at a sustainable level.

Inflation is a very real specter that is going to haunt us soon.

We are in a World of hurt.. would have been even if Romney was elected but now there is no stopping the train in fact it will just pick up speed from here.

Like I said... Free Stuff won out over Freedom and the gimme crowd is just now starting to line up with a whole lot of new faces.

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...and so it begins.

LAS VEGAS (CBS Las Vegas) — A Las Vegas business owner with 114 employees fired 22 workers today, apparently as a direct result of President Obama’s re-election.

“David” (he asked to remain anonymous for obvious reasons) told Host Kevin Wall on 100.5 KXNT that “elections have consequences” and that “at the end of the day, I need to survive.”

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And so it will continue, Steve

Hubby is in the same kind of boat, smaller, but same. He has 27 guys and as much as he hates the idea he is looking at the list of who has to go when the crunch happens. Last in, first out is the idea now.

Disney is running scared as well - less tourism is on the horizon, don't you know.

Seems unfair, but there it is.

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Mud..

Many feel the same way. We all see (well half of us) what's on the horizon.. Sort of like the Titanic's Captain being told there are Icebergs around and then just goes to bed. These guys think we can continue to spend ourselves out of this mess.
The Entitlement crowd just keeps lining up screaming for more and the Politicians just keeps promising more.

Greece did the same thing, as did Italy and Spain. The arrogance of the American people that think we can do it but won't suffer the consequences is amazing.

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Such nonsense

Lacking even a shred of fact or reality. This kind of emotional knee-jerk BS is indicative of an echo chamber filled with nothing but hate, fear and resentment.

The ideas you have invested yourself in are archaic and have proven to be the formula for failure that we are now recovering from. As joblessness decreases, the market continues to rise and the debt and deficit are reduced, what will you be complaining about then? Probably that the recovery is too slow. Can you accept that it's better than the inverse scenario?

The GOP set the house on fire and then complains about how much water is being used to put the fire out. This is the strategy. We can see it and we reject it.

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albion - There's

more than a few assumptions in this post. One is that you can simply ignore the economic reaction to higher taxes, business will just suck it up and take it because that's all they can do.

This is an incorrect assumption because it is archaic in the extreme, there may have been some truth to it in the 18th Century because of limited options. We live in a global society, business is in business to make money, companies that can move to more favorable business climates will do so, those that can't will reduce their costs or increase their prices to compensate for mandated costs, if they can't compensate they go out of business. Business is not in business to employ people, that is not the mission.

The government can and probably will attempt to restrict business movement, but this will lead to more businesses going out of business. In the end it is the people that will suffer from higher cost products, lower wages and wealth.

Reject all you want Albion, but you can't change the Laws of Economics.

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PTC people like albinon, Dm and others

don't see what History has showed us time and time again.

Businesses do not pay taxes.. we pay the taxes that are placed on businesses.

Many small business owners make over $250,000.. but they don't CLEAR that much most that I know make around $65-75K while supporting their business.
Yet they are expecting their taxes to exponentially increase in 2013.

People like Albinon think "what they going to do" they have to take it. They are simply wrong.

I know of 5 Doctors that have already told their employees they are shutting their practice down after December... Why.. Obamacare. A majority of their business in Medicare/Medicaid. With the massive cuts they will be getting in payment they can't afford their business any longer. They are just the beginning.

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hate, fear and resentment.

Lost the election!!!

Civility, individuals using their vote to express their voice/opinion, won! Not the monied few or Karl Rove , or elderly white men. Areas of agreement? Fair fiscal policy; balanced budget; - now it's up to the White House and Congress to deliver.
The people will go to the polls in 2014. If they vote in similar numbers, they will win again. Our leadership needs to work for the people. Special interests did not win this election.

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DM I guess you didn't see those commercials...

...showing Ryan pushing Granny off a cliff or the one about Romney killing a Steel workers wife did you? How many commercials were there about Romney killing Medicare, or dirty water, dog-food for granny (if they don't just push her off a cliff before they feed her).
How many times have YOU blamed Bush?

No Dm. Hate, Fear and Resentment WON the Election.. because it sure wasn't Obama's record.

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They can never defend Barry's record - the terrible unemployment rate, the economic numbers, the exploding deficit that our Dear Leader never fixes. And, they will never quit blaming Bush. They haven't for almost four years now and they will not stop the next four.

Here is the mantra for the next four years of failure: we were dealt a terrible hand in 2008, it was Bush's fault then, it is Bush's fault now, it will be Bush's fault in 2013, 2014, 2015 and 2016. It was the fault of the Republican controlled House that they didn't get anything done the last two years. It will be the fault of the Republican controlled House that they can't get anything done the next four years.

The buck never stops with them. The clock never ends on it being Bush's fault. The clock never starts on when Barry is responsible for anything. Nothing but excuses and blame thrown at other people. Four more years of this ineptitude, arrogance and lack of ownership is what we can all expect.

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MOC..I hate to say...

...I was prepared for this eventuality. I thought we where a half a generation away from the mass entitlement crowd outnumbering the productive class. I was wrong we are there now. I have an exit strategy and have implemented it. Me and mine will survive.

DM said Special Interest did not win out... REALLY?
Obama promised every micro-group handouts.

The 18-29 crowd he offered free College education and taxpayer funded bailout of Student loans.
The Women he offered free contraception and Taxpayer funded abortions.
The Hispanics he offered Amnesty and a big piece of the American Pie.
The Blacks he offered more food stamps, more medicaid and more welfare. (note not more jobs, just more handouts) Obamaphone anyone?

He sold all this on Class Warfare make the rich pay platform.

It matters not that you can seize 100% of all wealth and it would only pay for 3.5 years of this Government spending and commitments. But you don't need to have a grasp of basic economics to be a voter in the US of A. All you have to do is see what is being offered to you and think it's enough.

Free Stuff won out over Freedom.

I don't have to accept it. I reject the idea I have to compromise and agree with Socialist that I have to pay so that someone else and receive a handout.

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Norquist?

Will those who signed the pledge to this American refuse to abide by their responsibility to work for the American people? There is a way to move on this - close loop holes, make a balanced approach to revenue and spending. Everyone is suffering because of this gridlock and the threat of Norquist to withdraw his financial support of pledgees.
Norquist couldn't buy the election.

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Hate, fear and resentment

How ironic is it that the local "political expert" DM is railing on here about hate, fear and resentment? When in the same post and virtually every day on here she mentions her old, white boogeyman - Karl Rove in derogatory terms?

George Bush, Karl Rove, the monied few, elderly white men.....

Seems like the old bat might want to look in the first available mirror.

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Civility, individuals using their vote to express their voice/opinion, won

The negativity expressed by both sides LOST! If the White House and Congress cannot work together for the next two years, it will be the Congress that takes the hit in 2014. I'm no expert , but have a view of the country outside of this solid Republican part of Georgia. The reality , Karl Rove and elderly white men in this country were not part of the majority opinion in this last election. Nothing derogatory there - just hard cold fact. I'm still celebrating. Hoping that our leaders will work for all of us in moving our country forward .

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DM, please....

Don't try to backtrack and change the meaning of the very statements you made. These were your original statements:

"hate, fear and resentment Lost the election!!!! Civility, individuals using their vote to express their voice/opinion, won!"

Same post, one immediately following the other. Then when called on it you reply back omitting the first statement and adding this:

"The negativity expressed by both sides LOST!"

That is not what you said originally by any objective measure. You said that hate, fear and resentment were on the side that lost and civility was on the side that won. I realize that a lot of times you can't figure out what other posters say on here, but surely you can figure out what you say. You're all giddy about winning, we realize that. But, you say it on here, you have to be willing to own it.

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