The Final Debate - Foreign Policy

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It's getting down to the crunch time. Mitt's going to win Florida and North Carolina, Obama has Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan, and it is going to come down to Ohio.

Typically, challengers are loath to have the last debate be on foreign policy because they can't affect it and an incumbent President can. If you only hear the right wing echo chamber, you'd think that Obama was very vulnerable on Libya, Israel, Egypt and Syria. He's not. And he has the added advantage of possibly announcing a breakthrough agreement with Iran or some other October Surprise.

High stakes for Obama and particularly high stakes and high risk for Romney because Obama may blindside him with something new; an agreement with Iran, the Palestinians agree to return to negotiations, arrest of the Benghazi terrorists. Who knows what Obama might come up with?

It's getting interesting now.

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Oct Surprise

Obama may blindside Romney with something new.....like telling the truth for once.

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C'mon justwondering

Let's not be spinning pipe dreams with wild expectations here.

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Speaking of, JeffC....

Wasn't it just a few weeks ago that you predicted a landslide 100 electoral vote victory for Obama???

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Ouch MOC!

In my defense, nobody on either side predicted that Mitt would drink his first ever cup of coffee just before the debate and Obama would not even show up.

It's looking like 45 EC votes now.

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JeffC

Well, obviously I hope you are just as wrong this time!!!

I have to admit Romney surprised me in the first debate. Unfortunately for you evil Dems, Obama did not.

Game on, hopefully.

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45 sounds about right, Romney carries Ohio and wins by 45.

After watching the slobering lovefest (debate) tonight, where for some strange reason Neocon Romney tried to out Obama-Obama, it is going to take 2 clothespins for me to vote Nov 6th. At least maybe if the whole world is not on fire with Romney maybe we will have jobs. -GP

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Really GP

It was the first debate in reverse. Mitt was barely there except to say "Me too".

Romney backed Obama’s sanctions strategy toward Iran, he declared Obama’s troops surge in Afghanistan a success and confirmed he would get out by 2014, he rejected military intervention in Syria, including a no-fly zone; and he endorsed Obama’s dismissal of Hosni Mubarak in Egypt.

Obama was in complete command of the debate from start to finish.

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JeffC - So

You acknowledge that Mr. Obama is a liar? Yet, you support him because I suppose he's a democrat?

Say's a lot about you Jeff.

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It's politics PTCO

I was trying to be not so serious.

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OH! - Now I see Jeff

politics aren't important. I suppose all this levity is what has led us to the debacle called the national debt.....yea, you're right Jeff, it's only 17 trillion dollars.

Politics is what has led us into the abyss Jeff. Not too serious at all.

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Gov. Romney

Agrees! Some of the foreign policies instituted by President Obama have been correct. He also agrees that our troops will come home in 2014. It has been difficult to determine the truth in this election debate. It is obvious that the participants here have made up their minds. We'll know on November 6 who will be in the White House for the next four years. Will Romney be a Tea Party president? Will a good size of the Republican base sit this one out? In spite of the rhetoric, what is the real difference between these two leaders? I enjoyed watching the debate on three different channels ( a way we watch football) - the debate on the three channels was the same 'show' ( with different interpretations ). Only in the free world! God bless America! Yes, I'm sticking with Obama! My concern? Rove and Cheney still have a lot of input.

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Agrees! Some of the foreign policies instituted by President Obama have been correct. He also agrees that our troops will come home in 2014. It has been difficult to determine the truth in this election debate. It is obvious that the participants here have made up their minds. We'll know on November 6 who will be in the White House for the next four years. Will Romney be a Tea Party president? Will a good size of the Republican base sit this one out? In spite of the rhetoric, what is the real difference between these two leaders? I enjoyed watching the debate on three different channels ( a way we watch football) - the debate on the three channels was the same 'show' ( with different interpretations ). Only in the free world! God bless America! Yes, I'm sticking with Obama! My concern? Rove and Cheney still have a lot of input.

The Republican base is energized thanks to Obama, no one sits home.

Romney is not even close to being a "Tea Party President", he is miles away, but Obama is LIGHT YEARS away so Romney gets the Tea Party vote, and 100% of the Anyone But Obama vote.

Sad fact is our system of government is broken and neither of these two will do much to restore it. More wars, more spending, more debt, larger government, less freedom, all are in our future. -GP

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The 'southern' conservative Republican Party is energized. . . As are the west/east coast progressives. The anyone but Obama crowd without giving issue based specifics is out of touch with the rest of the country. They belong with the 'birthers' crowd, God bless them! The great thing about this election - it looks like more citizens are voting - thanks to those who attempted to suppress the vote! This election will be based on the percentage of votes from white males, women, African- Americans, Hispanics - ALL AMERICANS, and college-age youth. It will be close. The Tea Party's performance in Congress after 2010 took some of the steam out of that movement. Our government is not broken - we as citizens have allowed corporate America and special interests to take over. We, like other countries on the globe, are experiencing tough times. We have seen that we make very little progress when we are not united as Americans. With our different ideologies, we all want the same thing, a prosperous, well educated citizenry that is at peace with the world. We have enemies who don't want us to achieve/maintain this status. We should be fighting our enemies and not each other.

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DM "the birther crowd"

Do some research. The "birther" movement started with the Democrats.A large group of women were unhappy that Hillary did not get the nomination.A pretty sharp, young,female Annapolis grad came up with the idea that Obama could be disqualified due to not natural born status and Hillary could get the nomination.She sent out e-mails and told her friends to help it go "viral".
Guess they were out of touch with the rest of the country.

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You're absolutely right! But let's tell the whole story!

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Jim Geraghty of the conservative website National Review Online may have sparked further speculation on June 9, 2008, when he asked that Obama release his birth certificate.[24][25] Geraghty wrote that releasing his birth certificate could debunk several false rumors circulating on the Internet, namely: that his middle name was originally Muhammad rather than Hussein; that his mother had originally named him "Barry" rather than "Barack"; and that Barack Obama, Sr. was not his biological father, as well as the rumor that Barack Obama was not a natural-born citizen

- and the fringe groups ran with it - including Donald Trump. If you want to know where Obama was born - just find out where his mother was on his birthday!

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Nicely done!!!!

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Obama is actually the challenger avoiding debate

If you were just transported to earth from Mars and all you knew about the election was 1 or 2 debates, you would think Romney was the incumbent and Obama the challenger. And don't discount the Mars analogy, just look at some of the voter interviews - Howard Stern's come to mind. Yes Stern is a dirtbag, but he does know who the VP candidates are and what the issues are. JeffeC, you and I get the same number of votes as the Obamaphone lady from guess where? Yes that's correct - Ohio.

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Calling mudcat on my Obamaphone

The funniest thing about the whole Obamaphone phenomena is that the program started under Reagan! LOL.

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Well then, that would be false advertising then, right?

Need to call the Obamaphone lady and make sure she is aware that she is deceiving her viewers. Or you could just e-mail her at whatever@Reagan.com

With Florida and Virginia gone, Colorado teetering, Ohio seems very important. I still think Romney wins with a 10% lead in the popular vote and squeaks by in the electoral vote.

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Well RWM

She doesn't seem to be the sharpest knife in the drawer if you know what I mean. She'd probably answer "Reagan who?"

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Your are right, Jeff and her vote counts the same as mine

This whole thing is trending Romney and I see nothing Obama can do that will change that. With all due respect to you and yours, I really think and hope for a change. We need it.

I doubt Romney is going to drive the country off a cliff as Obama may have done, but hopefully we will get to see what he's got. We have survived many worse things - Nixon, Wilson, Taft, Hoover, Roosevelt, etc.

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Obama's Foreign Policy?

Obama lied to the American people to save face on Benghazi and the American people know this.

As far as Obama's foreign policy, Obama's record speaks for itself, he will have his hands full trying to defend it.

Romney should come out and bow to Obama, congratulate Obama on his endorsements by Castro, Chavez and Putin, and then state that that was the last bow the American people will ever see him make! http://times247.com/articles/obama-receives-endorsements-from-three-dict... -GP

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GP, Precious Metals, AND Tissues...

GP, we had best get used to the idea of 4 more years, (if not a lifetime)
When 50% of a people are dependent for their existence from the guy that promises to increase their scraps,,Game Over. We can look right here in our own little corner of the Country for this proof, right here in "Conservative little Fayette Co. Take a look at the BOE, what is being proposed? More continuation of Taxes, rather than ending current redundant spending. Americans have for a century now been conditioned to rely on Government for their ability to steal from those deemed, wealthy. Using government to take from their neighbors and own family members, that which they themselves would never consider stealing out-right, but hey using the Deadly Force of government against neighbors friends and family,,,no problem.

Herb Frady would have never allowed the WFB on the floor if HIS property was up for seizure, the mess in PTC government would not be going on if "personal" money was at stake. The BoE would be responsible care-takers of tax money IF there was an idea in this Country/County that there IS a limit of taxing.

This is all evidence that "conservatism" alone is no different than liberalism. Self reliance, Liberty, Personal Responsibility, an understanding of WHAT government is. Becomes how a people avoid the coming complete enslavement, per history; sadly the US and our county are at best 150 years away form returning to these AMERICAN values.

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Mitt had better read Fox's Juan Williams column today before he makes those accusations in the debate. Obama will eviscerate him.

Debunking the GOP’s false narratives about the Benghazi attack

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JeffC- Benghazi-Facts

The facts are the Obama administration lied (for weeks) about the cause of the Benghazi attack to soften the political damage of America incurring a terrorist attack under their watch on the anniversary of 9/11! When they got caught they flipped their story, with Axlerod and the rest of the Obama media rewriting history!

The American people (along with some in Congress) have sniffed out this lie and are not going to let it go unnoticed.

Ambassador Stevens asked for help and received none! We had real time video from cameras as well as a drone that witnessed his murder in real time and absolutely NOTHING was done to help!

There is much, much more to this story, it would not surprise me if the weapons responsible for his murder were not weapons we supplied to the Libyan rebels, among whom we are now discovering were radical Islamist jihadists and also members of Al Qaeda.

We are about to go down the same path in Syria, it seems 400 tons of weapons sailed from Benghazi(weapons we supplied) to southern Turkey for use by the Syrian rebels.

This blundering naive administration needs to learn that in this case the enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend!

Yes Jeff, there is much, much more to this story, stay tuned, it is not going away. -GP

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Benghazi ...

Does anyone know how to say Fast and Furious in Arabic or Farsi?
I'm afraid all I know is how to say Obama in Arabic ,,,Sharmoota : >

this story does go away if Barry looses, and it should NOT,
Just as Fast and Furious investigations goes away , if anything these investigations ought to be turned up a few notches.,
but just wait, Come Nov 7th it WILL BE politics as normal
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Qualla Benghazi is The Tip

I don't think this story goes away Nov 7th, Republicans may control all 3 branches and we may have a House investigation/hearings etc.

Think Iran/Contra on steroids.

This one is really devious and nasty http://www.theblaze.com/stories/our-administration-was-working-with-the-... -GP

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GP & Benghazi

I would still like to know just WHY the Ambassador was in Benghazi on Sep 11--not seen it addressed anywhere.

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Apparently was Obama's point man in supplying weapons to Jihadists fighting throughout the region, Stevens met with a Turkish diplomat on Sept 11th, Southern Turkey is the staging area for the rebels fighting against Syria's Bashar al-Assad.
http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/this-is-what-benghazi-consulate-really-was/ -GP

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GP& Amb. Stevens

Thanks for the link. My, what a tangled web we have woven--nothing like helping some of those who are likely to turn on you and kill you!

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Let's take a look

at all of the players in this 'revelation'. There must have been a good reason why Romney didn't bring this up. Ahmed Chalabi is not exactly remembered as a friend to the Bush Administration.

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/lopez_clare

To say or do anything at this time that would tarnish the name of our dead Ambassador without absolute proof is not 'right'.

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DM really?

So you post a link to a liberal think tank propaganda machine to try and discredit ONE source? Here is more info on Clare Lopez: http://lopez.pundicity.com/about/

This is coming out from many angles, not just Clare Lopez.

As far as discrediting our Ambassador, how's turning down the Ambassadors request for help and our government watching it happen in real time and doing nothing make you feel?

You see DM the Obama administration has thrown the intelligence community under the bus on this one, you don't do that and get away with it, now everything will come out, it is far from over. -GP

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Do you read any of the links that you post? Are you familiar with all of the organizations mentioned in these different articles? Thank you for sharing the 'different' angles of this tragedy. If you would do some channel switching, you would find that the same 'story' can be given many different interpretations. You are certainly entitled to share the interpretation that you are comfortable with. Many 'fact checkers' are letting us know that both parties have not told the American people the 'whole truth and nothing but the truth' regarding many issues. Hopefully with 'technology', we won't have to depend on the 'pundits' like Beck and others - and do our own research. Every 20 years we learn the 'truth' about some 'historical event' that wasn't quite what we were led to believe about it. Live long enough - and you'll find this to be true. I don't share incidents or stories as a 'gotcha' but just as some 'balance'.

PS: You know, the TV shows and movies about the worlds 'intelligence communities' are not that far from reality.

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As far as discrediting our Ambassador, how's turning down the Ambassadors request for help and our government watching it happen in real time and doing nothing make you feel?

Your 'intelligence' tells you that this is factual? Please share with us!! I'm sure you didn't get this information from one source - like a conservative think tank.

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DID YOU READ THIS ARTICLE??? Do you understand the difference between 'consulate' and 'mission'? Did you see the picture of the 'consulate'? No wonder over 30 thousand Libyans marched in support of Stevens after his tragic death. This man was/is a true patriot!!

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DID YOU READ THIS ARTICLE??? Do you understand the difference between 'consulate' and 'mission'? Did you see the picture of the 'consulate'? No wonder over 30 thousand Libyans marched in support of Stevens after his tragic death. This man was/is a true patriot!!

Did you get your Obamaphone yet?

There is a lot of smoke rising from the Benghazi attack, pretty soon the fire will be discovered, this conspiracy is just beginning to unravel on Obama but it doesn't matter what I say, you will just keep blindly following the arrogant narcissistic Marxist down the path to destruction. Enjoy your life in Obamaville. -GP

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When you can't give a credible answer - you go to your not so subtle retorts based on personal attacks. Great debate technique. NOT! I'm not debating you Patriot - just sharing another point of view. You aren't changing your mind, I'm not changing mine! Share your view and move on. I apologize for stooping to your level. Not to you - but to others who look for a different point of view. Sir - I, a minority woman living in America, am enjoying a very prosperous - free life!! That really seems to get under your skin! My great grandfather was a slave - and I have exceeded many whose familes have always been free based on what you celebrate - hard work, education, and taking responsibility for my family - WITHOUT WELFARE. How ya doin'?

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Sounds like we share some of the same values "hard work, education, and taking responsibility for my family - WITHOUT WELFARE".

We do not share the trait of blindly supporting Obama, and trying to help this administration conceal the facts on Benghazi, that is what we were discussing.

As hard as it may be for you to believe, most of America is beyond the racial divide and wish to base views solely on content of good character, something we have judged this president is surely lacking. GP

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We do not share the trait of blindly supporting Obama, and trying to help this administration conceal the facts on Benghazi, that is what we were discussing.

I do not support our president 'blindly'. I 'see' construction starts; more people going back to work; There are many people (most here)_ who do not agree with me - but do not feel they have to attack me in order to prove their point. Continue to post your point of view - and I will continue to post mine. OK?

You appear to be an 'anybody but Obama' since the day he was elected. You are over 50 (I assume) and you know that this is POLITICS!! I have already shared my view about the Benghazi situation. Have a nice day.

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Most of the press and the candidates are honoring the request of the Stevens family at this time. (Not to politicize this tragedy) I'm sure that after the election, more facts will be available and more questions will be answered. I'm sure the families of the deceased want answers.

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DM The Families

Did you see the murder victims relatives on TV?

AFTER the election? The families want to know the TRUTH now!

The Obama regime wants to keep the truth hidden. -GP

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GP - Ambassador Stevens father's request:

What would you want?

Read what his father requests:

http://newyork.newsday.com/news/nation/chris-stevens-death-in-libya-does...

I'm not surprised that the candidates are honoring his request. Are you?

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DM Victim's Mother Wants Answers!

She says "Someone is Lying" and I agree with her!

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/tragic_ma_optimal_my_ass_wYmD...

Obama wants to cover Benghazi up until after the election, are YOU helping him? -GP

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She wants ANSWERS! As we all do - not guesses used for political points.

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And she said she hadn’t heard Obama’s “Daily Show” interview.

When she read Obama’s “not optimal” remark, Smith said: “I did not hear them. I did not agree with them. I don’t want them used in connection with me.

There is no mother in this country who does not understand and empathize with Ambassador Stevens mother.

optimal: "this is not optimal" (is not the best solution to a situation.)

Stewart said:

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Jon Stewart asked whether the feds provided “not the optimal response, at least to the American people” — a reference to initial administration claims that the attack resulted from a demonstration brought on by an anti-Islam video.

Obama replied:

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“Here’s what I’ll say: If four Americans get killed, it’s not optimal. We’re going to fix it. All of it,” Obama responded.

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DM, do you read what I post of just automatically respond in opposition?

The Grieving woman I linked you to above was not Stevens mom, she is Pat Smith, the mother of Sean Smith, a State Department technology expert who died with Ambassador Chris Stevens and two security officials in the attack in Benghazi last month.

To say at this point we should be quiet as a show of respect for the dead is ridiculous , the attack was over a month ago, on Sept 11th.

The Benghazi coverup is going to be larger than Fast and Furious and more of a news story than Watergate! Blaming the intelligence community will probably turn out to be the dumbest thing Obama and Biden have done so far and that is saying a lot!

As more details come out this administrations treachery and deceit become more obvious, the severity of these acts may even lead to impeachment!

No American should be quiet, we DEMAND answers! -GP

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The Grieving woman I linked you to above was not Stevens mom, she is Pat Smith, the mother of Sean Smith, a State Department technology expert who died with Ambassador Chris Stevens and two security officials in the attack in Benghazi last month

There is more than one grieving mother in this tragedy. I respect the Republican Party for waiting for the facts. Are you a Tea Partier? Hmmmmmm.

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DM - Facts

Facts:

1. Date 9/11
2. Ambassador was concerned about the lack of security and communicated his concerns.
3. Ambassador was outside a "protected" embassy and in a known al-Qaeda stronghold. He noted al-Qaeda flags flying from nearby buildings.
4. No actions taken to heighten security surrounding our Ambassador.
5. Libya is in disarray and incapable of providing security for western embassies and personnel.

Personally, I think he was lured to this location by al-Qaeda surrogates. Likely on the promise that he could broker a deal on getting back shoulder fired anti-aircraft weapons. BTW, We'll know when a commercial airliner is shot down on exactly where these "Arab Spring" weapons ended up.

The actual facts show that the Administration's handling of this event is at the very least incompetent. The buck stops in the White House and they know it.

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These 'facts' are being reported with different 'interpretations' on many different news stations. The buck certainly stops at the White House with Obama, as it did with Bush, Nixon, and others. You and I don't know the actual facts yet - like we didn't know the actual facts about WMD's in Iraq. Incompetence is not the sole property of one 'party' or individual. Our government supposedly had information that a group of Saudi's were taking flying lessons - without taking lessons on how to land. (Our intelligence agencies have made some mistakes). We realize that this is a different type of war. You and I have no idea what our State Department and intelligence workers are doing in the name of democracy. Those Libyans who demonstrated (over 30 thousand) in support of and expressing grief for the killing of Ambassador Stevens appreciate the work that he did in supporting their efforts to be free! The men and women working in the State Department are on the front lines in many of these countries. . .and I too wonder why this Ambassador did not have more protection in this 'consulate'. To use this as a political 'gotcha' stinks like the issue with the hostages when Carter was president.

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Ambassador was outside a "protected" embassy

Not really. Check your facts. Our 'embassy' is in Tripoli. The small building in Benghazi was a 'consulate'. Our Ambassador should have had better protection from Libyans as well as our own Marines - but we need to know 'why' he was there - if that information does not put other operatives in harms way. This action is not a TV series - real lives are in danger in war. Our need to know is not 'optimal' at this point. We are fighting an enemy that has shot a 14 year old girl for expressing herself. We as Americans cannot fathom this. . .just like we could not fathom the policies/actions of Hitler. But unlike WWII, we know much more about what is happening around the world than we did then. There are some things that we can't know - until we are sure that we are not putting other lives in danger. Because of this political climate - our representatives in Congress are not being 'given' updates because of the distrust. . For sometime, our leaders have not trusted fellow Americans with certain information because of the situation of POLITICS in this country. Sad

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DM How Long

And just how long would you like to keep this quiet, no, let me guess, until after Nov 6th?

And since you asked, I agree with many of the ideas of the Tea Party but I don't consider myself a member.

Are you a member of the Communist Party? -GP

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4 died, Prezbo flied (to Vegas), then the administration lied

Newsflash Moms, with all due respect to the elder Mr. Stevens, this has been a campaign story since it happened. Today we find out that the White House knew of the militia group's claim of responsibility - 2 HOURS AFTER THE ATTACK! That's a few hours before Obama got out of bed, said "oh well" and flew to Vegas.

Pretty obvious to me and any thinking person that the political side of the administration (yes, her again) had all this info and prevailed over the military side of the administration and thought the fundraising trip and the stupid spin story about the film was more important than actually doing something as commander-in-chief. You know as well as I do that had this happened on Bush's watch the press reaction would be different. Actually Bush would have cancelled the Las Vegas trip and sent the Marines in force to secure that area that very same day. Probably wouldn't have gone back to bed after being notified Ambassador Stevens had been killed either.

Methinks how the President performs his duties as Commander-in Chief is very much an election issue. Dude has been a wonderful campaigner and a terrible President. He needs to be replaced.

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Uncertainty

America remains uncertain about the honesty, integrity, and capability of the current president and his administration.

He promised deficit reduction........he doubled the deficit
He promised a reduction in joblessness......fewer people are working today than when he took office.
He promised lower energy costs...........Gasoline costs remain high.
He promised compromise...................We got "I won" and a refusal to listen to other ideas.
He promised transparency................We get lies, deflection, and secrecy.
He promised lower healthcare insurance costs...........Healthcare insurance costs go up.
He promised you could keep your doctor......You have to switch your doctor.
He promised hope and change.............He gave us more on food stamps and welfare checks.

This 'president' just can't be trusted. He constantly lies to the American people and is not competent to hold office.

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After 'fact checking'

America questions the honesty and integrity of almost any and every politician, especially those who change their positions to get elected. (It's difficult to find one who doesn't )

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The truth will come out, like I said before, you don't throw the intelligence community under the bus. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/23/White-House-Received-... -GP

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President Obama Culpable in Ambassadors Death

New Emails have surfaced revealing that within 2 HOURS of the beginning of the attack the Whitehouse KNEW it was a TERRORIST attack. Also it has been revealed that we had a drone on-site within the first HOUR of the 7 hour long attack and was watching the attack IN REAL TIME.

The President's response to watching our people getting killed in real time..

HE WENT TO BED.

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Look at a map. GP

Benghazi ; Tripoli. Not the same place. However, I respect your interpretation of the situation.

Brietbart again. Really credible for fair and balanced reporting.

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DM Benghazi emails

Instead of a doing little research you again attacked Breitbart, did you learn that from Obama?

Read all of the emails. Here is a link where you can get a pdf of them: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57538689/emails-detail-unfolding-b... And DM, just for you I picked the leftist news channel CBS.

And here is a summary : Our EMBASSY IN TRIPOLI reported that the CONSULATE IN BENGHAZI was under attack and a later email identified the group Ansar al-Sharia as taking responsibility. -GP

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It has been more than a month since the attacks on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi and no one has gotten the Libya question right. Not the president, not Mitt Romney. The most recent blunder was Romney's decision to attack President Obama during the last debate for not declaring the attacks in Benghazi "an act of terror.

GP. I for one, am glad that we don't take statements made on Facebook as 'credible evidence'. The next day, Al-Shari denied their involvement. The articles in our news media do share the facts - and their own conclusions/interpretations. As I said to PTCO - there are some 'facts' that we, the American people have not known. This is politics - at its worse. People throughout the country will read the emails, and the articles, and make their own conclusions. Thanks for sharing yours. There are many who really don't give to much credence to the conclusions of citizens here in Fayette County. . . but I'm grateful that we live in a country where we can freely express our opposing views. I'm sure you are also grateful for this American freedom. Again, I'm expressing my personal view. It's a waste of your time to attack it. Just share yours! The readers here are very intelligent - and if they are still bothering to read our contributions, they will make up their own minds about the issues. Right?

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How about Reuters DM are they credible enough?

"White House told of militant claim two hours after Libya attack: emails"

(Reuters) - Officials at the White House and State Department were advised two hours after attackers assaulted the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya, on September 11 that an Islamic militant group had claimed credit for the attack, official emails show.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/24/us-usa-benghazi-emails-idUSBRE...

Dm open your eyes for Gods sake... ANY President that either knew OR SHOULD HAVE KNOWN about the attacks, then lied and covered them up should NOT be the President of the United States. PERIOD.

Obama LIED there is no doubt. If he knew then he lied from the beginning if it even took a couple of days "just to be sure" he STILL lied at the UN.

He knew DM in REAL TIME because they had a Predator Drone overhead giving them real time data from the attack.

Now it appears Hillary asked for additional security BEFORE the attack on 9/11 and was never acted on by the Whitehouse.

Face it or not DM this is going to be bad for the President and it is shameful that your party is playing games with American lives by suppling weapons to our enemies.

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Obama's Warning (should be listened too)

President Obama is telling Americans "things could get worse"
and now he wants 4 more years to Prove it

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DMom & Stevens Family

Think you confused me with someone else--I have not commented on making the Ambassador's death a political issue--but since you have drawn me into it anyway, I'll say this: It became a political & campaign issue the minute POTUS and the administration with-held information and misinformed the citizenry about the attack. Surely you must believe in full disclosure of the truth in the quickest way possible.....NO? Wonder why not?

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I would still like to know just WHY the Ambassador was in Benghazi on Sep 11--not seen it addressed anywhere.

Just replying to your earlier comment . I know no one reads all of this stuff - but I too look forward to full disclosure without harm coming to those still in the field. You are seasoned military man. Surely ypu are aware that until we know 'why' the Ambassador was there - with Seal protection - there is the possibility that others are still in harms way.

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DMom & A Stretch

Asking about WHY the Ambassador was in Benghazi and commenting about the Stevens family and political issues is quite a stretch but I guess when your quiver is empty, you'll make arrows from matchsticks.

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Tonight should be interesting...

...the Obama administration is trying to portray Romney as "inexperienced" in Foreign Policy so should not be elected.

How does that work..? Romney has just as much, maybe a bit more, experience in Foreign Policy then Obama did in'08.

President Obama has a record now. We have seen 4 years of his "hand" on the tiller and the results have been all too predictable.
The Middle East is on fire...

The Muslim Brotherhood, who every Progressive Democrat out there including the President said, they where just a warm and fuzzy group is killing Christians and implementing Sharia Law everywhere.

The Taliban is trying to kill and terrorize young girls because they want a education..(where is NOW on this..cue crickets)

Al Qaeda is being armed by US and these very same people killed our Ambassador after Sodomizing him and three others.

Along with sending arms to Al Qaeda we also sent arms to the drug cartels in Mexico resulting in even more deaths including a Law-Enforcement Officer.

Everywhere you look Obama's or his policy's or lack thereof is evident in the way those that would suppress Freedom in their people feel empowered to do so knowing America has no spine to stand up against them. Instead we have a President that Bows and Apologizes to every tin-horn dictator and despot out there. Jimmy Carter should feel proud.. He too never met a dictator he didn't love.

No October "surprise" agreements or even arrest is going to change these basic facts. Jeff you are simply hoping that the American People are still asleep and can't tell rhetoric from reality. 2010 should have taught you better but then again you guys tend not to ever learn the lessons of the past. If Obama comes up with something it had better be fact not fiction because the People have this thing called the internet and no matter how much Media Matters and the Huffington spins it the BS is too easy to uncover.

Obama has a big disadvantage this time...the Hope and Change has become Romney's unofficial tag line this time.

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Well Stated S. Lindsey

and Obama's BS was discovered as lies.
There is issues now revolving around that the Republican Congress who proposed to cut funds on Embassy security. This is the truth, but backed up with very sound rationalization. The argument should be; why would Obama keep the same amount of funding in Embassy's that are considered "safe zones"? While Embassy's, especially in the Middle East regions, are surrounded by radical Islamists? Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) defends the proposal to cut funding.

http://thehill.com/video/house/261153--rep-chaffetz-white-house-claiming...

Organizational, administrative prioritizing may have been the key in saving the lives of our Americans abroad.

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Real Early Voting Numbers....not wild

predictions from either side.....put your forecasting/prediction hats on......hard to call NC red from the early numbers......
try here
http://elections.gmu.edu/early_vote_2012.html
before succumbing to the mass media electoral maps and make the analysis yourself.....
I vote against government for special interest and for government for the people..............guess there's no one to turn too.........

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Voting

Republican efforts to suppress my vote by voter picture ID requirements, etc. have failed.

I cast my vote today for the re-election of President Obama.

Republicans need to have more faith in the American people and cease their anti-democratic, heavy handed, voter suppression efforts.

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Lion

I must say, it is pleasing to hear that having to produce a Photo ID was an intellectual challenge well with-in your abilities, hopefully other Americans will see that this challenge is equally easy to accomplish,, Now as to your choice for President/Ruler,,,,,,

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Lion & Voting

Your vote means nothing--I canceled it out this morning in PTC! But rest easy--you did your civic duty, however misguided.

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Billboards designed to intimidate minorities ordered removed

Signs that said:

"Voter Fraud is a Felony" is determined by Democrats to be an attempt at voter suppression and a Judge ordered them removed.

That's right folks calling voter fraud a felony (which it is) is now an attempt to suppress minorities "privilege" to vote.

I guess Lion feels safe now.

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'ask any reporter and they will tell you it wasn’t so.’

That's what Obama said when accused of going around the World on an apology tour...

Ask any reporter? Really?

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No apologies

Obama was right. There has been no apology tour and no apologies.

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You are right Jeff Obama never said the WORD Apology

he did however say "there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive." and he went on to every other Country EXCEPT Israel with the same theme... America bad you guys good.

To France he said:
" In America, there's a failure to appreciate Europe's leading role in the world. Instead of celebrating your dynamic union and seeking to partner with you to meet common challenges, there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive."

To the Muslim Community he said:
"My job to the Muslim world is to communicate that the Americans are not your enemy. We sometimes make mistakes. We have not been perfect."

At the Summit of the Americas:
"While the United States has done much to promote peace and prosperity in the hemisphere, we have at times been disengaged, and at times we sought to dictate our terms."

At the G20:
"I would like to think that with my election and the early decisions that we've made, that you're starting to see some restoration of America's standing in the world. "

At the National Archives speech:
"Unfortunately, faced with an uncertain threat, our government made a series of hasty decisions. I believe that many of these decisions were motivated by a sincere desire to protect the American people. But I also believe that all too often our government made decisions based on fear rather than foresight; that all too often our government trimmed facts and evidence to fit ideological predispositions."

...and there is more a lot more.

But I think the President has bigger issues today don't you?

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Obama was right. There has been no apology tour and no apologies.

Say that again 3 times, click your heals together, and Obama will get re-elected. I promise.

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Jeff C, the only apology tour

Jeff C, the only apology tour I’m familiar with is the last two Presidential debates. Obama’s performance in the first debate was so dismal and he owed it to his base to do better.

What better way to say “I apologize” to his base than to beat the stuffing out of Romney in the last two debates. By the third debate Mitt agreed with Obama more than he disagreed.

Sadly the debates are over now and the Republican’s are making another major push in the “war on women!” The latest Republican cry’s from the Midwest is “Life begins at rape!” if you can believe that.

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Nah..Gort the theme is now what he knew and when he knew it..

...get with the times.

I guess you can still pull out those old tired scare tactics.. Hey I have an idea.. Why don't you included Grandma eating dog food... Dirty Water to kill Children and dirty air for the rest of us....

It is almost Halloween after all..oooohhhh scary stuff right there.

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SLindsey, didn’t Mitt

SLindsey, didn’t Mitt embarrass himself enough, on the Benghazi consulate attack, during the second debate?

In case you missed it, yesterday’s theme was Donald Trump’s big surprise announcement! Ha! Ha! Big deal! I could hear the crickets chirping in Coweta County.

In the meantime, Colin Powell endorsed President Obama and warned the country about all the Bush era neo-cons Gov Romney surrounds himself with.

People should be scared.

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Actually Mitt was right... Gort

Apparently he was much more observant then the rest of you guys. He knew this was a terrorist attack and called it as such.

I would rather have a President that calls it as he sees it over one that actually saw it and then goes to bed, wakes up the next day and goes to a bunch of Hollywood fundraisers while the smoke was still clearing from the terrorist attack.

But you live in a Blue State so your vote is wasted anyway so what me worry.

btw-On Powell**shocker** ok no it is not. He endorsed him last year. Seems like Skin Color is more important then health of America to some.

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So....

If a black person endorses President Obama, its because of skin color. But, if a white person endorses Romney, its because of something else??

You infer that a white person can endorse a candidate based on conviction and where the candidate stands on the issues - but a black person cannot. A black person is always going to base the decision based on color.

How can that even be logical and not smell and feel like the "R" word?

You know, one doesn't have to have a reason at all to support one candidate over the other - there is nothing that anyone needs to prove.

I vote based on who I think is the better candidate. There is no way in a hot hot place with no water - would I ever vote for Herman Cain, Allen West, Micheal Steele or any number of other Republicans. But, there are a number of republicans I would vote for. I would vote for Colin Powell, Condi Rice - I like them a lot. And I don't vote based on skin color...and I believe Colin Powell is an intelligent man who lives his life with conviction. I think its absolutely demeaning for someone to say he is supporting President Obama based on skin color.

Based on your logic - you support Romney because he's white - no shocker there.

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Here's an interesting article regarding 'the apology tour' issue"

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/2012/1023/Presidential-debate-10...

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Voter fraud billboards

The Judge did the right thing.

The idiots who put up those billboards in largely African-American areas were trying to intimidate Black, Democratic voters and keep them away from the polls. White, conservative Republicans want to believe that voter fraud is a real problem and that voter fraud must be committed regularly by African-American Democratic voters.

Voter suppression by Republicans is a real problem and should be condemned.

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Kitty Cat - Voter Fraud Billboards

So now the Truth intimidates voters, you people are so full of liter box filler it stinks. I've talked with my black friends and they agree that voter fraud is a problem and they want it stopped. White or black it needs to be stopped. So I guess by your standards Florida screwed up by stopping illegals from voting.
The time for the Barbecue on Pennsylvania avenue is over!

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I've talked with my black friends and they agree that voter fraud is a problem and they want it stopped

Please share with us what you and your black friends have uncovered about this voter fraud - so that we can assist you in stopping this outrageous practice!! I thought the Republicans handled that in Florida some time ago!! (Gore vs. Bush) Thanks!

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Just one example of voter fraud
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The problem of illegal voters...

is nothing new.

A Congressional investigation reviewing the voter fraud allegations brought by California Congressman Bob Dornan back in 1996 after his failed re-election attempt found that 748 votes that had been cast illegally—624 from non-citizens in addition to 124 that had already been thrown out by California officials. Additionally, in consultation with the INS, the House committee identified as many as 4,700 questionable registration affidavits. The probe was dropped before these affidavits could be investigated. Gee could it be that the results would have been rather embarrassing?

You got to love the Motor Voter Act and the simple fact that state driver licenses can be forged.

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Voter Fraud - How it happens... - Maybe

It appears that Rep. Jim Moran's son , D-Va., has resigned from his father’s campaign after a conservative group released an undercover video in which he discussed a plan to cast fraudulent ballots.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/patrick-moran-son-of-va-rep-jim-mora...

With that said, the way this was captured can leave some shaking their heads.

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Some Problems with the non-citizen removal?

Ya think? (Since it was rumored that Senator M, Rubio's name was on the list!!!!) It is important that this fraud problem be rooted out of our system - regardless of 'party'.

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Dondo and others

Thank you so very much for your uncovering of this monumental problem in the United States. Your one or two examples are enlightening. Out of the millions that vote, we should be able to figure out the percentage of the illegal voters in our country. ACORN and that other group didn't need government issued ID's to break the law. But thank heavens, more LEGAL citizens will go to the polls with all of the papers necessary. . .and poll watchers will be there to insure that all practices are legally implemented. (And volunteers will be watching the poll watchers!!) Again, thanks!

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Dm and voter fraud, Black White Pink or Purple

Uncover Voter Fraud? Google Search ACORN

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The time for the Barbecue on Pennsylvania avenue is over!

Shared this comment with some friends! Four more families are voting for Obama - and they are not 'black'!! Thanks!!

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DM, Lion, Jeff C lets see you spin this one!

Ol Barry's A$$ is in a sling this time, he sat there and watched our own people get killed Live, went to bed, then went to a fundraiser. The honorable thing to do is resign immediately, but ol Barry doesn't know anything about Honor. Can you say Toast!
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2012/10/24/benghazi-terror-atta...