The Final Debate - Foreign Policy

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Dondo

You must be dizzy from your spinning! Did you read the emails that have been posted all over the net? Including your contribution. There is anger over this tragedy - and Romney has the integrity and dignity to wait until all the information and investigation is in - just like we waited for the information regarding the Saudi students who killed thousands in the New York towers.

The email: http://www.scribd.com/doc/111012700/Benghazi-Report

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lion: Guess you don't believe in the 1st Amendment?

No judge is going to rule that a billboard that states "Voter Fraud is a Felony" has to come down. If free speech and the truth is "voter suppression" to black voters in your deluded mind, too bad.

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The sign companies said they would pull the signs down. The insinuation is not good for business. The important color? Green.

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DM: Yep

The businesses decided after the heat they were getting that they were better off to refuse the continued business, which is their right to do, whether some agree or not. Private companies aren't mandated to entertain someone else's ideas of free speech.

Where it gets sticky is when it's a government agency involved like what happened with the anti-jihad ads on subways where it does become a free speech issue and not just a private business decision but rather one made by gov't, which is why those signs basically had to be put up like anyone else who paid the money for the space.

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It is difficult for those who don't understand our 'freedom' of speech issues to understand some of our actions - and what we 'protect'. We're an interesting people - and very confusing to many parts of the world. (And some people right here at home who really don't understand the 'freedom of speech' that we hold so dear.)

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Another recent fact about 'voter registration'

From The Nation:

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In a deeply sardonic twist, Republicans committed the only voter registration fraud that has occurred since the law was overturned. “It’s kind of ironic that the dead people they accused Acorn of registering are now being done by the RPOF [Republican Party of Florida],” Paul Lux, the Republican supervisor of elections in Okaloosa County, told NBC News.
And, unlike with ACORN, Strategic Allied Consulting didn’t alert authorities to the voter registration fraud—that was done by local election officials. Prosecutors are now investigating the group for criminal misconduct. (The case hasn’t put an end to GOP hypocrisy about voter fraud, however. Last week the attorney general of Texas invoked ACORN to justify similar restrictions on voter registration drives in his state, even though no charges were ever filed against the group.) Maybe in 2013 the Florida legislature should pass legislation specially preventing Republicans from running voter registration drives

It's the Rove strategy again. Winning by any means necessary.

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DM do you have a ID?

Just wondering since it so hard for those of "color" to get one. If not.. I will be happy to drive you since you can't obtain a drivers license either.

Oh btw-
"TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) — Official-looking but bogus letters telling mostly Republican voters that their citizenship is in question are turning up in Florida, where GOP officials have led efforts to purge noncitizens from registration rolls.
The phony letters have been reported in 23 counties so far in an apparent attempt to intimidate voters, Department of State spokesman Chris Cate said Tuesday.
Republican Gov. Rick Scott, who pushed for the purge of noncitizens, said Florida has "zero tolerance" for voter intimidation."

...and this one.

"TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- Florida officials are reviewing allegations of voter registration fraud against the state Democratic Party.

The Florida Department of State on Friday confirmed that it has forwarded complaints about alleged voter registration fraud against the Democrats and two other groups to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. The groups are the Florida New Majority Education Fund and the National Council of La Raza/Democracia USA."

Stories DM to tell can be found if one looks for them..

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ID's Needed

to stop this fraud? It's not hard for middle class, working people of any color to get a legal ID. It's the poor and invalid without families and transportation that have the need. More 'others' will be voting with legal ID's than ever before - thanks!! We've always known of the 'voter registration' fraud. Thanks for 'looking up these felonies'. Every little bit of investigation and information helps to protect the voting process - that some have died for in this country. Thanks for the offer - but I'll be driving others to the polls this year. Need a ride?

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So, DM, if these poor and invalid without families or transport-

ation cannot get out to get ID's how will they get to the polls? Why cannot you and others (since you state you are taking people to the polls to vote) take these citizens to obtain proper ID which they must need for things other than casting a ballot. I know I have to have picture ID for many things, i.e., visits to Dr.'s office, cashing checks, and on and on. How do these people accomplish these other things without proper identification?

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O Mytimite

We have!! And we'll make sure they get to the polls. This has been in operation for a long, long time. Thanks for your concern - a few weeks before the election.

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Pubs vote on Tuesday, Dems on Wednesday

To keep the lines shorter.

Pass the word.

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Spyglass

No no!!! It's the other way around!! Meet your friends on Wednesday!

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I vote Libertarian

So I vote early.

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Spyglass

Oh!! Great! That will be Sunday!

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Ah. Libertarian

Another throw away vote.

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Yep, it is really hard to find cases of voter fraud.....

Oh gosh, here is one from just last month in Arkansas. FYI tin-foil heads, this is not from Fox News. It is from an Arkansas newspaper. You can find the link yourself if you feel the need for more details. Sorry for the long read, but it's a really interesting story:

An Arkansas legislator and three others have pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit election fraud. All of them are from Crittenden County.

The individuals charged include Hudson Hallum, 29, State Representative for District 54; his father, Kent Hallum, 53; West Memphis City Councilman Phillip Wayne Carter, 43; and West Memphis Police Officer Sam Malone, 32.

In addition to waiving indictment, the defendants entered guilty pleas to the charge contained in the information. In doing so, each acknowledged his participation in a conspiracy to bribe voters to influence absentee votes in the Arkansas District 54 primary, its runoff election, and the general election, all of which were held between February and July 2011.

According to the felony information, Hudson Hallum and Kent Hallum tasked Phillip Wayne Carter, Sam Malone, and others with identifying absentee ballot voters within District 54; obtaining and distributing absentee ballot applications to particular voters; determining when absentee ballots were mailed to absentee voters by the Crittenden County Clerk's Office; and making contact with recipients of absentee ballots to assist those voters in completing the ballots.
Once such absentee ballots were completed, the absentee voters typically placed their ballots in unsealed envelopes, which were retrieved by Carter, Malone and others and then subsequently delivered to either Hudson Hallum or Kent Hallum for inspection to ensure that the absentee ballot votes had been cast for Hudson Hallum. After inspection by Hudson Hallum or Kent Hallum, the absentee ballots that contained votes for Hudson Hallum were sealed and mailed to
the Crittenden County Clerk's Office. If a ballot contained a vote for Hudson Hallum's opponent, it was destroyed.

At the hearing held today, the defendants admitted that certain absentee ballot voters received things of value in exchange for their votes being cast for Hudson Hallum. For example, in or about May 2011, Carter and Malone provided a chicken dinner to an individual in exchange for the absentee ballot votes of that individual and one other individual. Further, the felony information states that on or about May 4, 2011, Carter contacted Hudson Hallum about a family
of eight who had requested a "family meal" in exchange for their absentee ballot votes being cast in favor of Hudson Hallum. Carter requested $20 from Hudson Hallum to pay for the food, to which request Hudson Hallum agreed.

In addition, according to the felony information, on or about May 5, 2011, Carter notified Hudson Hallum that some absentee ballot voters were "holding on" to their absentee ballots because they needed money for food. Hudson Hallum instructed Carter to obtain money for the absentee voters from Kent Hallum. Hudson Hallum further told Carter that $20 to $40 was too much to pay for one vote, but that this amount was acceptable to pay for the votes of multiple members of a household. On that same date, Hudson Hallum also told Carter, "We need to use that black limo and buy a couple of cases of some cheap vodka and whiskey to get people to vote." Two days later, Carter and Kent Hallum spoke with an individual in Memphis, Tennessee about getting a discounted price for the purchase of 100 half pints of vodka for the campaign.

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These Republicans have to be stopped. Specially in Arkansas

This is a serious violation and we need to put these people in jail. I am so sick of the Republicans doing stuff like this and stealing elections. They are the worst. Let's lock them up. These people in Arkansas are entitled to have a blue state, keep their state blue and have no interference from these stupid redneck Republicans. Nuff said.

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ID Checked?

Nuff said.

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Yes calling a crime a crime equates to voter supression

I am sure only "minorities" commit these crimes since you said they were an attempt to suppress just them...

Pathetic attempt Lion... tee it up and try it again.

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LION, I want them to take down the billboards "Buckle Up". I

feel intimidated. If I have not committed a crime, intend to commit a crime, want to commit a crime then I should not be intimidated by a billboard informing me it is a crime. So, are you insinuating that the blacks were planning to commit voter fraud and were therefore intimidated by these billboards in their community? Why should this billboard keep anyone away from the polls. Pretty farfetched.

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No Judge ordered the billboards removed

Norton Advertising and Clear Channel caved-in to pressure and decided later that the signs violated their advertising guidelines for billboards.

http://www.citybeat.com/cincinnati/blog-4086-controversial_voter_.html

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Lion, for years every time i have gone to vote I have had to

show picture ID. Where have you lived that it was not necessary before? I have no problem with showing picture ID, I have to show it to cash a check, even at a bank I have done business with for years, show it if I want to buy beer or wine, sometimes show it when I use a credit card, show it along with my SS card at my doctor's office, therefore what is the problem with showing it in order to do the most important thing I can think of--cast my ballot for my candidate in a free country? And just for the record, I am one of those little ole great-grandmothers that are usually pictured as unable to obtain identification. Just another one of the things that some use to cloud to issue and cause dissention.

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MYTMITE and voting

I have voted in three different states and a picture ID was not required in any of them until recently in Georgia.

In the other states I had to provide some type of ID--voter registration card, utility bill, student ID,--the list is long. Sometimes two items with my current address were required. I could use my picture ID but was not required to do so.

Only 11 states require a photo ID for the 2012 election. So most Americans can exercise their right to vote without a photo ID.

The photo ID laws were enacted to make it more difficult for some Americans to vote and those Americans tended heavily to be Democratic voters.

There were other ways to attack voter fraud (if it were a real problem) without disenfranchising, as a practical matter, a segment of American voters.

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Lion & Voter Disenfranchisement

Yes, some will surely make that claim and most of them will be career victims, who will cling to any and all issues that may allow them to continue in victim status.

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Voter victimhood

It seems to me that those screaming "we are victims" are the conservative Republicans who know they are increasingly in the minority in the American electorate. As electoral victims they decide to disenfranchise their opposition in a desperate attempt to retain power.

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Lion - Question
lion wrote:

"...they are increasingly in the minority in the American electorate."

Do you have some evidence to back up this assertion? Intuitively, I would say that it is the opposite, but I could be wrong. It's all about demographics, isn't it? You know aging population becoming more conservative, etc.

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lion: I really shouldn't bother

You are getting into Bonkers/courthouserules with your blather.

The party that is "increasingly in the minority" right now holds the majority of Governorships and statehouses in this country and, of course, the House of Reps that NO ONE is predicting they will lose this year either. They even have an outside shot of taking over the Senate if some of their candidates stop revealing how stupid they are.

Maybe you have failed to notice that this election will be much closer than 4 years ago when the Dem beat the Repub fairly easily. I guess the rest of the country has failed to notice that the Repubs are going extinct considering the huge gains they made in 2010 and how the general election this year(that's 2012 in case you've forgotten) is going down to the wire.

Have a CLUE about what you are talking about. I'm not a Repub and frankly don't think Romney would be THAT much different than the continuing march of huge government, crony capitalism, BS Patriot Acts, freedom sucked away as fast money can change hands, etc. from Bush-to-Obama-to-whoever, but I am aware enough to know that neither of the two clown parties we have in the Dems and Repubs have a stranglehold on either or are going to suddenly fade away. They rigged the game to make sure they will always both be around.

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Well, you have to admit that liberals don't try to hide it....

This statement seems to pretty much sum up the liberal mentality towards voter fraud:

"There were other ways to attack voter fraud (if it were a real problem)...".

I never understood in their "logic", just how many cases would have to occur to rise to the level of it being "a real problem". Fair-minded, law-abiding citizens who cherish the sanctity of the voting process know every single vote should be valid and legal. Thinking otherwise just plays into the "entitlement" mentality we find ourselves drowning in. Lord knows, if you aren't cheating, you aren't trying.....obviously.

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No incumbent

Has ever overcome a 5 point deficit to win re-election with only 14 days left in the race. Incumbent democrats have had enough trouble winning a second term, Clinton being the only one since Johnson, and you can thank Ross Perot for that, and Clinton's first win, for that matter.

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Got to go further back than Johnson for a 2nd term Dem

Johnson passed on what would have been his actual 2nd term. Even Truman's real second term ended in the NH primary - everybody thinks he served 2 terms because it was in fact over 8 years, but his first term was 90 days Roosevelt - then Truman.

Got to go back to FDR himself in the 1930's to find that 2nd term Dem. Even though some of Obama's spending resembles FDR, that won't get him a second term.

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Jeff- "Obamastare" backfires

It seems Obama's aggressive attitude and personal attacks backfired, he is losing votes and dropping in polls after the 3rd debate. http://beforeitsnews.com/obama/2012/10/obamastare-bo-slammed-for-vicious...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/23/debates-deliver-favorabi...

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Paradoxical Quote of The Day:

Paradoxical Quote of The Day From Ben Stein:

"Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen."
Now add this, "Many of those who refuse, or are unable, to prove they are citizens will receive free insurance paid for by those who are forced to buy insurance because they are citizens."

Think about it when you vote in November..!

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Oh..No.. Joe you just sent Lion into spasms

Now you know that requiring an ID for cashing a check, entering a Federal Building, driving a car, buying insurance... well just about anything is really secretly racist.

I mean why have an ID at all?

Think about it.. You could be John Wayne.. oh wait he's dead.. Oh right that's ok too...go vote anyway.

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Dems are correct, Voter ID is just wrong

Seriously, let's just calm down a minute and THINK,
If WE don't need ID's to register and vote, this could be a good thing,
Just think of ALL of the"Conservatives, Republican, and Pro Constitutionalists, that are Breathing Impaired, we can start with G Washington and his other 54 Buddies, Lincoln would get a chance to vote again, as would Large percentages of Military folks from 1776 on, I bet if we ask nice enough we could even get Obama's dad to vote with us.............
I mean seriously "Voter Fraud isn't that big of a deal" right? so let's play THEIR game

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