The Great Debate

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With Romney pulling ahead in the uber-reliable Dick Morris, Breitbert and "unskewed polls" in all of the swing states, it's a critical debate for President Obama. Mitt has been honed sharp in over 20 debates this year while Obama has coasted to his nomination behind his teleprompter.

Plus, there is the added threat of Obama succumbing to one of Mitt's well advertised zingers. (And why would you advertize zingers in the first place?) After the debate, we will have to endure talking heads analyzing every zinger and rating its zingerestness.

It will be interesting.

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Mitt Romney’s biggest zinger this week

was how he is going to raise taxes on the middle class using his ‘monkeys and mirrors’ financial predator business experience. Everyone gets this bucket see, and they get to put up to $17K of deductions into it.

Hey at least he was getting specific!

After the interview a spokesman for the Romney campaign announced Gov. Romney wasn’t actually pursuing the $17K bucket policy. The Gov. was supposed to be wearing the bucket on his head!

When asked if this was the same bucket Mitt uses to carry his money to the Cayman Islands, the spokesman replied, “No comment!”

8 - )

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JeffC - The Media

will find that Romney blew it in tonight's "debate". It's all so predictable.

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What is predictable about the debate:

This will be a "Believing Is Seeing" event of epic proportions.

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I stand corrected: debate results showed that

"of epic proportions" was incorrect. Hindsight being what it is, "that will make Romney's supporters ecstatic" would have nailed it.

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Jeff I can

Admit when I am wrong, the media didn't get any help from Mr. Obama last night. Really poor performance, and the Ryan/Biden "debate" follows this. LOL - Jeff?

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No, JeffC, no it won't...

...be interesting at all. It will be the promotion of their oft stated positions, barbs and all. Nothing new will come out of this except sway a few to one side or the other; I highly doubt it will swing any major % one way or the other. The first two questions have been such, 10 minutes in...

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Well, the world must be about to explode.....

Jay Bookman, resident AJC liberal, has weighed in: Maybe it was overconfidence, but Obama performed poorly. A solid Romney victory.

Must have really been difficult for old Jay to type those words.

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A good debate

Great debate. I was surprised. There was no knock-out blow by either side but a good discussion of issues with both sides clearly delineated.

Romney stood toe to toe with the President of the United States.

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Obama lost that one clearly

Reminded me of the first W vs. Kerry debate where the incumbent prez acted annoyed and like he didn't want to be there in the first place. Obama's lack of anything resembling having to deal with tough questions from anyone in the past year besides Univision recently really showed and he got lost without his teleprompter. Romney seemed better prepared to deal with what his team knew was coming while Obama kind of floundered.

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How true, Nuk, without a teleprompter he is lost. Also, who or

what did he keep looking at to his left as Romney was talking? Thought maybe Michelle was holding up cue cards but when the families came up after the debate she came up from the right, so couldn't be her. Interesting, I was very pleased with Romney--he seemed to be in his element. He is a very intellingent man and it shows. Let's see how this plays out in the numbers. IMHO Romney definitely came out ahead today---think Obama was overconfident going in.

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On second thought, it may be Bill Maher's head about to explode

Here are a couple of Tweets from that liberal tool:

"I can't believe I'm saying this, but Obama looks like he DOES need a TelePrompTer."

"Obama made a lot of great points tonight. Unfortunately, most of them were for Romney."

Ha-ha Billy Boy, maybe a sedative will help.

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Best part about this was....

Bill Maher gave Barry's Super PAC one million dollars.

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Nice try Jeff...

...but Obama looked like a guy who thought he was the smartest man in the room and was shocked to learn he wasn't even close. Even had to ask Leher to change topics off Jobs cause he had nothing...

Even AARP is backing away from him... Don't want to be seen being partisan anymore.. wonder why?

Should have brought his teleprompter it would have at least been semi-intelligent from him.

Uh oh... Chris Matthews freaks out on Obama... What was he doing?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/03/chris_matthews_freaks_...

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True enough, but it was only a debate watched by very few

meaning the very few who are interested in the issues, the future of the country and more to the point - those that have already made up their minds. I doubt any hard core Obama supporters decided last night to abandon their man - even though his assertation that those receiving a $3600 tax credit could use that to buy a new car. Maybe that's going to be the new price for the Chevy Volt.

Anyhow, there are debates and then there are elections. The election will be decided by an uninformed group who couldn't name their own congressman or the real VP - Valerie Jarrett. And Ms. Jarrett knows this, which is why the same old tired stuff about tax cuts for the rich keeps on coming.

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Mudcat you are so correct...

...just think our Republic is depending on the uneducated masses.

Just gives you the warm fuzzies all over doesn't?

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Now it makes sense....

Al Gore graced us all with the reason why Barry didn't do so well last night:

"I'm going to say something controversial here," Gore said on Current TV, the channel he helped found. "Obama arrived in Denver at 2 p.m. today, just a few hours before the debate started. Romney did his debate prep in Denver. When you go to 5,000 feet, and you only have a few hours to adjust, I don't know ..."

Another guest added: "It's really different. The first time I ever did stand up in Denver I had the same exact effect. I flew in that day and when your lungs aren't acclimated to that kind of air, yeah it makes you drawn. It makes you off. The president had an off-night."

No report as to whether they were wearing their tin-foil hats though.....

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MOC & altitude

Doubt that the change fm Las Vegas to Denver had anything to do with POTUS performance BUT, I can tell you that altitude WILL make a difference--everytime I go visit Son in Montana, with over 1,000ft change in altitude, I experience respiratory problems--and you have to dial back alcohol consumption too, as it takes effect much quicker!

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It's obvious that Gore...

is an idiot with a stupid and off-the-wall statement like that. Good Gawd I'm glad he didn't become president.

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Al Gore is a joke

The reason why both the R's and D's do spin-control way in advance of debates is because of good 'ol Al. He was supposed to be some kind of "intellectual" who would obliterate Bush in a debate, and that didn't happen despite all the pronouncements before that he was all so skilled and so smart and etc, etc. He failed miserably.

Al Gore is:
A) DE-vauling Ivy League education constantly
B) hysterical and so out of touch with reality enough to warrant a recurring theme on South Park with Man/Bear/Pig, and rightfully so since no one listens to a damn thing he has to say
C) another Kennedy wanna-be who grew up with everything handed to him and feels guilty about it
D) A loser, total liar, and also a fat jackass
E) Constantly ignoring science and proclaiming "global warming" myths that have been proven to be absolutely false over and over. Look up Gore's "predictions" along with his "research" and then tell me that this guy has any clue whatsoever. Discuss.
F) All of the Above

That's OK with Dems.....you have a scumbag like Joe Biden who has been nailed twice for blatant plagiarism as well as lying over and over about his college grades as your water-carrying flunky. Thank God he's just a flunky because that man has no integrity whatsoever yet Dems think he represents the "common man/blue collar worker." Seriously? I don't think the "common man" is a lying piece of trash like Joe Biden with a huge mouth and if I did, I think I might vote for a dictatorship because there is no hope for this country if "everyman" is a Joe Biden.

I can go off on the Repubs just as harshly, but that's for another time.

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Preach it, Brother. Gore is clearly yesterday's trash

Biden is tomorrow's trash. Obama is November's trash. This stupid class-envy, wealth-envy, enviro- worship, imaginary war on women, Obamacare (said respectfully), tax cuts for the rich , welfare for the sows, free phones for the sows little piglets, BS, etc. is over and done with. Romney is the answer; Obama is a trivia question answer. Game over. Romney wins.

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NUK-How can you say that?
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Al Gore is a joke

How can you say that about the man that invented the internet? LOLOLOL

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...or thought the Earth was as hot as the surface of the sun

... The Earth has a fever... "People think about geothermal energy - when they think about it at all - in terms of the hot water bubbling up in some places, but two kilometers or so down in most places there are these incredibly hot rocks, 'cause the interior of the earth is extremely hot, several million degrees, and the crust of the earth is hot ...

Brilliant...

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Re: Al Gore is a joke
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NUK_1 - Gore

is none of those things NUK, he is simply a huckster. Just like Mikey Moore, he has become unbelievably wealthy selling the world a bill of goods. All supported by government scientists that line their pockets with self-fulfilling taxpayer funded studies.

We can only thank God that he didn't become president. His response to the twin towers attack, would have been something like: Well you guys shouldn't do stuff like that, it causes global warming to pour all those hydrocarbons in the air. If you don't stop I am going to get really, really, mad. He would have gotten the Nobel Peace Prize for something like that.....hmmm.

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You may be right AHG

Maybe while they are buying Barry a pocket teleprompter for the next debate, they could buy Michael Jackson's old Hyperbaric chamber for him too. Just in case they hit any other high elevations while on the stump. Might just work.

Speaking of teleprompters, old Barry looked right at home today at the rally with his trusty old teleprompter scrolling his lines. He did a great job of reading that zinger someone had written for him, "He'll get rid of regulations on Wall Street -- but he's going to crack down on Sesame Street." That would have come in handy last night....

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Romney Stood Toe to Toe?

That phrase coming from you Jeff, when using my Libspeak Translator becomes "ROMNEY CLEARLY KICKED HIS BUTT".

Sorta like the headline "Custer stood Toe to Toe with the Indians" -GP

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Debate

Well America was treated to an almost debate tonight, as close to a real debate as we're likely to get. Sadly what America has become is politics first and liberty freedom last, in One Hour and Thirty Minutes between the President and the man seeking the High Office Liberty and Freedom was only mentioned 4 times
Freedom three times and Liberty (in passing) once, Folks in my American opinion
THIS above all else is what is wrong in America, Freedom and Liberty are no longer the topic of concern, and until this is corrected all of the Regan's and Clinton's and Obama's or Romney's we care to elect nothing will be restored to what we are intended to be.

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Oh, let's all give Obama a break now

He was too busy planning where to fly Air Force One tonight (Hawaii, maybe?) for that romantic anniversary dinner. And think of the angst of what to get a 20 year spouse who is the president's wife?

Not to mention the fact that Syria is bombing our ally Turkey, and he had to be on the phone with Hillary and our NATO partners trying to explain why HE hasn't made any comment condemning this bombing. Just leave it to Hillary.

Oh, and the spin he has been busy with trying to explain the absolutely gruesome photo that came out of the bloodbath on the toilet inside the ambassador's compound in Libya. The photo leaves absolutely nothing to the imagination. And the reams of top secret documents that are missing from that site.

So much to handle, so little time. How about he take a four year vacation, starting in January? And give US all a break.

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Break

As far as I'm concerned he's been on a Break for the last 4 years. I'm not a Bush fan but I do find it amazing the mid east didn't start imploding until Barry was sworn in. and finished up his apology world tour

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Quallacherokee: Yep

While I can enjoy Romney kicking Obama all over the stage; at the end, they both are very similar in viewpoint and big government agenda. They just dress it up under the name "R" or "D" a little differently.

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NUK_1 - so

True, so true.

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It's not just the President

Folks cheer on Romney all ya want, (or Obama) It's CONGRESS that matters,
both the House and Senate. The people here in the 3rd had a chance to rid ourselves of Westmoreland this past July, and "we" passed on that chance.
"We" re-elected Westmoreland to continue to Vote AGAINST American energy independence, (no on ANWAR twice, 1 Vote to halt Gulf Coast Drilling,
and 1 Vote against protecting "whistle blowers" that might have been able to
prevent BP's disaster,or future distasters. Westmoreland can now head back to DC with the knowledge
that his subjects Like it when he co-signs a bill with Maxine Waters to MAKE
banks give loans to people for a House that couldn't get credit with a loan shark.
It's Congress folks, it's Congress that has US by the scrotum,
Be happy Romney wiped the floor with Obamalamadingdong, be happy Obama now looks beatable, but It's CONGRESS No One Else that is IN YOUR WALLET

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Senator Lynn Westmoreland

Mind giving the specific bill numbers where Senator Westmoreland voted against American energy?

FWIW http://www.lynnwestmoreland.org/index.php/issues -GP

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It's CONGRESSMAN not Senator Westmoreland

April 20, 2005 HAMDT 72 >>>Drilling in ANWAR >>>> NAY
July 17, 2008 HR 6515 Drilling in ANWAR >>> NAY
Sept 16, 2008 HR6899 Drilling Off Shore >>>>> NAY
July 30 2010 H AMDT 773 End Moratorium on Deep water drilling >>>> NAY
July 30 2010 HR 5851 "Whistle Blower Protection" >>>> NAY

Also just FYI in June of 2005 Mr Westmoreland didn't think is necessary
to vote to protect his subjects against Eminent Domain abuses
H AMDT 427 >>>Did Not Vote

Jan 5 2007 he voted NAY for "pay as ya go"
June 11, 2008 he did vote YEA to spend $15,830,000,000.00 on Amtrac
Feb, 18, 2011 he vote NAY to limit OUR money to "sponsor" certain NASCAR teams
July 29, 2011 he voted YEA to INCREASE the debt limit (S 627)
AND HERE's THE SMOKING GUN
HR 1827 Sept 18 2007 Co Sponsored Bill with Maxine Waters to
"Expand American Homeownership Act of 2007"
and then there's these

2/10/2005 Real ID Act of 2005 HR 418 YEA
Vote to pass a bill that amends the Immigration and Nationality Act and grants the Secretary of Homeland Security the power to set minimal security requirements for state driver licenses and identification cards. Never Mind the 10th Amendment
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March 14, 2007 HR 985 Whistleblower Protection Act of 2007 Bill Passed - House
(331 - 94) NAY
Vote to pass a bill that protects federal employees or applicants from discrimination or demotion if they disclose credible evidence of waste, abuse, gross mismanagement, or substantial and specific danger to public health.
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July 15, 2008 HR 5803 Backup Paper Ballots Bill Failed - House
(248 - 170) NAY
Vote to pass a bill that provides grants to state and local governments for making backup paper ballots available in the November 2008 election (.Fight against voter fraud)
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Oct. 7, 2009 H Res 805 Removing Rep. Charles Rangel as Chairman of House Committee on Ways and Means Motion Agreed - House
(246 - 153) NAY
Vote on a motion to refer a resolution to the House Committee on Standards of Official Conduct that calls for the removal of Representative Charles Rangel as Chairman of the House Committee on Ways and Means.
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Feb. 9, 2012 S 2038 Prohibits Insider Trading by Government Officials Bill Passed - House(417 - 2) Did Not Vote
Vote to pass a bill that prohibits insider trading by government officials
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FWIW

Above info can be found on ANY politician at
Project Smart Vote ,,,,google it

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Project Smart Vote

From Wikipedia;
"Project Vote Smart does not accept contributions from corporations, labor unions, political parties, or other organizations that lobby, support or oppose candidates or issues."

Sounds great, right? But wait, there is more: "All funding is provided by individual contributions and foundation grants such as from the Ford Foundation, Carnegie Foundation, and Pew Foundation."

Is this the same Ford Foundation that has received millions from the the "Tides Foundation" founded by Drummond Pike who also serves as Treasurer for George Soros Democracy Alliance, a major funder of ACORN?

How about the Carnegie Foundation, surely they are unbiased, right?
During the past few decades, the political leanings of the Carnegie Corporation (CC) have shifted leftward. Today CC believes that its mission is to serve as a catalyst for social change of a leftist nature. One notable individual who served on the Carnegie Board of Directors until recently was Teresa Heinz Kerry, the wife of Senator John Kerry.

The Carnegie Corporation has four main program areas:

1) The Education program focuses on reforming urban schools and improving the literacy of immigrants. Among its chief financial backers is George Soros' Open Society Institute.

2) The International Peace and Security program focuses on reducing the proliferation of nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons; and on attempting to ban America's development of defensive space-based weaponry such as an anti-missile system. The major contributors to this program include the Open Society Institute, the Ford Foundation, and the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation.

3) The International Development (ID) program focuses mainly on the continent of Africa. In a joint venture with the Ford Foundation, the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation, and the Rockefeller Foundation, this program is currently attempting to use educational outreach to stem the tide of HIV/AIDS that is ravaging Africa. The ID program also works aggressively to bring to Africa both feminism and affirmative action programs whose beneficiaries are women.

4) The Strengthening U.S. Democracy program aims to “address both the structural and attitudinal barriers” that allegedly prevent young adults and immigrants (the citizenship status of the latter is not specified) from participating more fully in the electoral process. This program also condemns American national security measures such as the Patriot Act, which it says has "provoked fear and confusion in immigrant communities … disproportionately affecting those who are Muslim, Sikh and/or of Middle Eastern descent, including those who are U.S. citizens."

PEW veered left years ago as well....

NO thanks, but I will look elsewhere for Honest and Unbiased info. -GP

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More on Carnegie Corporation

Tides/Acorn/La Raza, it Looks like a list of Leftist Who's Who:

Among the many recent recipients of Carnegie Corporation grants are the Tides Foundation; the Tides Center; the National Council of La Raza; People for the American Way; Alliance for Justice; the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN); the American Civil Liberties Union; the National Voting Rights Institute; the Mexican American Legal Defense & Education Fund; the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People Legal Defense & Education Fund; Human Rights Watch; the Proteus Fund; the National Committee for Responsive Philanthropy; the Puerto Rican Legal Defense and Education Fund; the U.S. Public Interest Research Group; Public Citizen; Project Vote; the Union of Concerned Scientists; the Center for Community Change; the Gates Foundation Funds; the Search for Common Ground; the Paul Robeson Foundation; the American Bar Association; the Brookings Institution; the Africa Leadership Foundation; the African Women’s Development Fund; the Urban Institute; the Center for National Policy; the Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights Under Law; the Public International Law and Policy Group; Interfaith Alliance; the Interfaith Education Fund; Action Without Borders; the National Center on Addiction & Substance Abuse; the Cornell University Peace Studies Program; the Natural Resources Defense Council; the Economic Policy Institute; the Center for Public Interest Research; the Arab Community Center for Economic and Social Services; the Asian Pacific American Legal Center of Southern California; the Century Foundation; Asian Americans for Equality; the Ballot Initiative Strategy Center Foundation; the National Black United Fund; the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights Education Fund; the Institute for War and Peace Reporting; the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities; the Immigrant Workers Citizenship Project; the American Association of People with Disabilities; the International Center for Technology Assessment; the League of Women Voters Education Fund; the Federation of American Scientists Fund; Citizen Action; Advocates for Youth; National Urban League; Crimes of War Education Project; Democracy Matters Institute; Earth Force; the Earth Day Network; the Center for Population Options; Resources for the Future; the Aspen Institute; the Rockefeller Family Fund; the Social Science Research Council; the Neighborhood Funders Group; the Environmental Law Institute; the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace; the National Organization on Disability; Rutgers University; Rock the Vote Education Fund; National Public Radio; Peace Games; the Center for Defense Information; the International Center for Transitional Justice; the Castillo Cultural Center; the Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation; Duke University; the Center for Public Integrity; Demos: A Network for Ideas and Action; the International Peace Academy; the Center for Responsive Politics; the Fund for Peace; the Ploughshares Fund; The Working Group; Vital Voices Global Partnership; Women’s Project and Production; the William J. Brennan Jr. Center for Justice; and the Public Broadcasting System.

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Wow I guess I'm whooped,,

EXCEPT the Library of Congress backs up EVERY ONE OF MY CLAIMS
Look it UP

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QC

I am not trying to whoop you, I can just tell you that sometimes there is more to the workings of Washington than what appears on the surface.

Many bills are voted against because of added language that is unacceptable, and if a no vote was of conscience than I agree with keeping the principles, the reasons the people sent you there..

Here is a link to Congressman Westmorelands website, on the front page there are a few bills he is working on. http://westmoreland.house.gov/ -GP

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Thanks for the links

I know it's Congressman, no excuse for typing that... .

I looked at the fist couple of bills, it looked like they were Democrat sponsored, they expand government control, oversight,etc.

For example HR 6899's title is "Drilling Off Shore" but hidden in the bill is "Green Resources for Energy Efficient Neighborhoods", a huge spending bill by itself.

Most times the devil is in the details. -GP

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Devil in the details

While I MIGHT agree on HR 6899, there were processes in play to REMOVE the "big government" plans of the dems yet Westmoreland did NOTHING he has NOT and let me say that again NOT LEAD a BILL to BETTER Freedom, Liberty, or even something as little as REMOVING bad congress-critters ...
Voted to be a "leader" and HE HAS NOT LEAD , not sure he knows how
Back in the primaries, do you know his claim to fame???
He went ALL over the US encouraging and supporting "new" members to the GOP
guys like Lt Col West, who ALSO as a "Tea Party Member" voted FOR raising the debt..and supported spending Money WE do not have..
THAT IS NOT LEADERSHIP, that is PARTY POLITICS. which is THE way to ensure WE get a big huge FU in just a few short years
BTW did you bother to LOOK at other bills and Laws he voted for or against ?

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Quallacherokee wrote:

While I MIGHT agree on HR 6899, there were processes in play to REMOVE the "big government" plans of the dems yet Westmoreland did NOTHING he has NOT and let me say that again NOT LEAD a BILL to BETTER Freedom, Liberty, or even something as little as REMOVING bad congress-critters ...
Voted to be a "leader" and HE HAS NOT LEAD , not sure he knows how
Back in the primaries, do you know his claim to fame???
He went ALL over the US encouraging and supporting "new" members to the GOP
guys like Lt Col West, who ALSO as a "Tea Party Member" voted FOR raising the debt..and supported spending Money WE do not have..
THAT IS NOT LEADERSHIP, that is PARTY POLITICS. which is THE way to ensure WE get a big huge FU in just a few short years
BTW did you bother to LOOK at other bills and Laws he voted for or against ?

I did look at more of the bills as well as "Project Smart Vote", if there is a particular bill you would like to discuss I would be willing to.

I agree,for our children and grand-children's benefit we must rein in the runaway spending. I also agree the pendulum of security has swung over so far it is now taking away our Freedoms. As far as Tea Party members being elected, to me that is a step in the right direction, toward freedom and responsibility.

You list "Tea Party Member" above as if that is a bad thing, to me it is a good thing! http://www.teaparty-platform.com/ Is there anything in the platform you disagree with?

Lynn Westmoreland may not be a perfect man but I know him personally to be a stand up and honest Conservative. -GP

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Great You KNOW Lynn,

Whoop dee do , I went to school with Amy Carter and had dinner with her Mom and Dad ,,,,
NEXT....
I guess WHO ya know is way more important than WHAT THEY DO ...

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Quallacherokee - Did you?

all wear your aluminium hats to dinner?

That was a public school right?

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Not Hardly

They are good people, Horrible President with only Obama being worse
And No Woodward is Private

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Remember Jackson and his promises to 'your' people. Continue to listen carefully and exercise your right to vote for the person you feel is right for a leadership position.

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DM "My" people

Are Americans whatever their color, you see, My mom is Blue Clan Qualla
My dad was Paint Clan Qualla, but I have no idea what my blood line is
seeing as how I was adopted at 3 days old, I was raise Tsalagi (Cherokee)
and didn't start learning English until we moved here (Fayette Co) in 72 when I was 6, for all I know my birth mom was Jewish and my birth dad was Black,
what I do know is I was raised to not be prejudice as I might be "of the one's" I look down at. So this "your people" doesn't hold water with me, except to say again, "My People" are Americans

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Quallacherokee, good for you!

I am sure you are proud of your background (of your adopted parents) as you should be.

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Quallacherokee - Mazel Tov!

By Jewish law, if your birth mother was Jewish, you are considered Jewish (if you want).

If you are interested in having a Bar Mitzvah, we can arrange that.

Welcome to the ancient tribe! Now you belong to 3 tribes.

Let's see how about...

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Larry,

There's ancient lore that Hebrews met the Cherokee long before Christ,
so how knows,,, I surely don't
Thanks for the offer, but as I said, I don't know (nor want too)

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Very well said, Qualla
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Are Americans whatever their color, you see, My mom is Blue Clan Qualla My dad was Paint Clan Qualla, but I have no idea what my blood line is
seeing as how I was adopted at 3 days old, I was raise Tsalagi (Cherokee)
and didn't start learning English until we moved here (Fayette Co) in 72 when I was 6, for all I know my birth mom was Jewish and my birth dad was Black,
what I do know is I was raised to not be prejudice as I might be "of the one's" I look down at. So this "your people" doesn't hold water with me, except to say again, "My People" are Americans

I wish a lot more people out there could get these basic concepts through their thick skulls and stop seeing and perceiving everything through a narrow-minded mentality that frankly reeks of pure ignorance on every side.

I saw you went to school with Amy Carter....obviously you're a Woodward grad in that case and your thinking and ability to logically reason shows that too. Of course, I give full credit to your parents who obviously instilled a lot in you and also made sacrifices in order for you to be able to attend Woodward to begin with, but going to WA doesn't guarantee anything and you still have to be THE MAN. You sir, seem to have accomplished that and we need a lot more of you :)

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Thanks for the kind words, However, I'm not a WA grad, I went there 1-4th
At which point I changed to a Small Christian School in Tyrone (Crestwood Christian Academy)the on to Bolivar Aviation (Flight School)
As to my attitude, yes my folks taught it but as you say I had to accept it, and I do. I figure until I see Green Blood there's not too much to worry about, and then as long as the Green Blood is not from Romulans there's still no worries : )

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quallacherokee- Our people/Americans

When one stands as tall as you do, no one can look down on you. That is what I was taught and what my family has always believed. My daughter in laws mother, the other grandmother of some of my grandchildren, is Jewish; her father is in appearance 'black' but was raised in a Native American culture in New York state. Our people are Americans - and when we travel, we are identified as such. Soon, that will be true here in our own county, You are what your parents raised you to be - and that is to be proud of who YOU are. The people that I have met here in Fayette County, in my opinion, are true Americans. The words of some of them appear to belittle those of another race. I'm sorry you were ever warned about being one of the ones you may look down at. You were blessed with loving parents who were dealing in the real world and prepared you to not judge on the outward appearance of an individual - but judge their actions, which reflect their soul. You were raised not to be prejudice. You seem to have difficulty understanding that I am proud of my dialect. Ghetto English is the everyday use of poor grammar when speaking English. The 'black dialect' is reflective of poor grammar - but my African forefathers were denied their own native language - and developed a dialect to speak with other slaves and their masters using English which incorporated an uneducated English/African language. In most Aftican languages, there is no sound for th. . . therefore the dis and dat for this and that. You and I had a bad start here in this discussion because of our pride in who we are and our sensitivity if someone appears to 'insult' our heritage. . IMO. That is unfortunate - and tells me that these discussions are better handled face to face rather than words only, However, I have learned so much about the people who founded and settled and now live in the southern region of our country through these discussions and the Georgia State Archives.

You evidently are a proud Republican/Independent - I am a proud Democrat. I don't feel that speaking in 'black dialect' is speaking down to anyone if done with respect. Mpst educated citizens know that the language of communication in our country is standard English. My grandchildren can communicate using Yiddish with their other grandmother - and that, in our family is considered acceptable. They also communicate with me, if they so choose, using 'black dialect'. I love it! My friends here, whose forefathers were German, still use German phrases when communicating with those family members who still understand the phrases. I would hope that you and your family still use phrases from your family background. To us - it creates a feeling of togetherness and love. That is just my opinion.

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A well reasoned thoughtful argument, the best I've seen you do
(NOT TO BE CONDESCENDING) and for that I thank you
Two things tho,
First my parents were "native american' but then so is anyone else Born here
Second I hate labels, I'm political, neither a Dem Repub, Independent, Libertarian or Green.

To base my politics as I am American I use THE American document AS WRITTEN
The US Constitution, and I will argue for AS WRITTEN with my last breath.

Thanks again for Your kind words and welcome a "face to face" anytime,,,
over food!

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When my grandson filled out an application - and they ask for 'race'. he put HUMAN! He doesn't like labels either!
I sent an email.

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Holler at me when ya get back, be safe have fun !

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Will do!

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Hey DM: You ought to like Snoop for "knowing his audience"

Snoop Doggy Dog lays it out to his "audience" and helpfully explains the differences between "white n-words" and "black n-words" for all of the rest of us who thought that was an offensive and derogatory term that you don't use even "behind their backs" as you put it recently.

http://v103.cbslocal.com/2012/10/05/snoop-dogg-mitt-romney-is-a-morman-w...

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NUK - :-)

Read the article, but couldn't get to the 'list'. Snoop is my son's generation - so there just may be a difference of opinion here. LOL!

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DM: I hope it's not just generational

It's an offensive term whether used by black/white/green/alien/mutant. I was raised a lot better than that and also clued-in as to why that's a very derogatory term and simply ignorant to classify an entire race of people.

Maybe Snoop Doggy Doo is broadening everyone's horizons and we'll one day have classifications for "white n-words" and "black n-words." Maybe that wouldn't really matter anyway if we did. I'd like to think a word is a word but I'm real hesitant about thinking the use of the n-word all over the place is progress of any kind, especially if it becomes the sole domain or ownership of one group that gets to throw it around and "be cool" and others are condemned for it.

It's 2012 and we're having a discussion about "who gets to use the n-word?" This isn't progress and it's rather alarming IMO.

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In my experience, the n word was never said with respect, no matter who used it. I do not see a great difference in our opinion regarding this. I know the definition for the word - and I remember when Richard Pryor returned from Africa and stated that he didn't see any n there. He stopped using the word in his routines. I repeat, in 2012 with these different opinions, one better know their audience before using a derogatory term regarding race or sexual preference. . if they feel they must use such terms. ( I just learned about 5 years ago that Red Neck was acceptable by some.). We still teach that it is derogatory. Can you clarify that for me?

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"Redneck" to me isn't necessarily an insult and the the origins of the term come from white farmers being out in the sun all day and getting "red necks," and there are people who take pride in that term and it doesn't necessarily ALWAYS have a negative meaning. There is nothing wrong at all about making a honest and difficult living while also getting sunburned farming your land. It's also not like there aren't plenty of black "rednecks" out there.

When I use that term, it frankly is a negative. It means I think you're a ignorant goof who never grew up and were not raised to respect your fellow human beings and were instead probably raised to hate anyone else except your inbred family and you didn't have what it takes to overcome that. I've used that term to describe patrons of Melears BBQ and that is probably a character defect on my part. I cannot fathom the "old ways" and I'm plenty old enough to remember them and asking my southern and very conservative parents "why?" and they not understanding the ignorance and hate themselves. I simply got raised better than the "rednecks." Thank God.

So....I guess in the end, you kind of win this argument because I'm guilty of calling out other people with pejorative terms myself. It seems more acceptable I guess for the "r-word" than the "n-word" or whoever the hell the audience is.

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I appreciate your honesty. I don't consider a discussion an argument when someone broadens my understanding. I, too, always felt Red Neck was derogatory - but was surprised when I found that some actually were very proud of being called a Red Neck. I thought a few years ago that some even considered it a compliment. (I never used the term as a compliment) And yes - there are some 'black' Red Necks. However, a hard working man or women who works in the sun doing honest labor is to be admired - not denigrated. So there you are. I won't be using that word again - unless I truly run across a person who fits your descriptive definition. (And I'll choose my audience - and probably keep my opinion to myself!!)

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Quallacherokee - I

am sure that they are good people.

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Well 47% aint ,,,lol

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GP Sorry it took so long to respond on this

The Green Resources for Energy Efficient Neighborhoods, yes has spending in it, but it ALSO had language in it that would have taken the (no pun ntended)
eminence power, Ga Power wields as do other Power Companies. You do realize it is against the Law for a developer to build a subdivision OFF Grid
The "GREEN" ad on to HR6899 would have changed this practice.
Sometimes even the Dems get something right. If this was the only cost to "overcome' then voting against energy independence and ANWAR wasn't a very forward thinking American thing to do.... (imo)

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I am also against governments abuse of imminent domain and I am for energy independence.

How much tax payer money would have been funneled to DEM cronies/voters under the "Green Resources for Energy Efficient Neighborhoods" portion of this bill? My guess is a lot.

Like Pavlov's Dog, anytime I hear "Green", "Fair", "Social Justice","Carbon Credits", etc I cringe, these are just neat sounding words that are actually hiding government tyranny.

Qualla, I think you and I got off on the wrong foot, I really think we have much in common, wanting the best for America.
But on the "Sometimes even the Dems get something right", not so much, I think my fathers Democratic party has been taken over by what today is called "Progressives" but in my youth they were called "Communists". -GP

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There is always the Blue Dog Democrats

Small, but due to make a comeback someday

http://www.bluedogdems.com/

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Sussberg Good Luck

You are going to need it.

Unfortunately the highjacking of my Fathers Democratic Party is nearly complete.

Same thing with the party of Lincoln, the Republican party has been taken over by warmongering NEOCONS and RINOS, however the much maligned Tea Party is fighting to win the Republican party back. -GP

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GP, Sometimes Dems do get it right

The last time I recall them getting right for certain was backing up Bush right after 9/11, although their true nature came flooding back by November of the same year, Pavlov's dog LOL funny you mentioned him, as like in 2008
That will be my write in for President this year.
As to the GREEN issue, and the cost, yes I agree, although I can not completely recall the amount I do seem to remember it being rather high, However, I must pose this question, what is the price for America NOT being energy Independent? Also what is the cost to citizens of Ga simply because a quasi-private monopoly like Ga Power is allowed to lobby the General Assembly to make laws AGAINST us ? I can't believe I'm about to type this,, but sometimes maybe, just maybe dancing with the devil is how you get to the dance where you meet the love of your life,,,,

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I agree with you, we did lose a lot of our freedoms thanks to 9/11 and George Bush.

America should be energy independent, utilizing ALL available resources until sustainable pollution free technologies develop.

As far as writing in Pavlov's dog, I learned a log time ago to hold my nose and vote for the lessor evil, Romney was certainly not my first choice but what will happen to America under Obama is truly frightening.

My only suggestion for you is to consider one more "dance with the devil" on Nov 6th. -GP

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GP Dancing with the devil

This concept of Voting for the "Lesser of Two Evils" NO THANKS
I take my Vote Seriously I WILL NOT endorse by vote someone I can not trust
Pavlov's Dog (imo) is a far more trustworthy "choice' than the two evils offered up. Allow me to be clear however, if I thought Ga was ify on Obama
I would hold my nose, and vote Romney, but as Romney is in the bad here in GA
I will "protest" the two instead of voting for either evil.
(BTW) In my heart of hearts I mournfully believe we will suffer Obama again
Thus my stockpiles of Precious Metals as previously discussed. 2nd Amendment or not, That is a Right I WILL NOT SURRENDER

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I understand your logic but I have such fear of Tyranny that I will hold my nose and vote.

As far as the Second amendment, the next president may get to appoint one or possibly two Supreme Court Justices, remember Heller http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller was only a 5-4 vote, If Obama is re-elected we may suffer the worst attack on the 2nd in the entire history of our nation.

I am still a member of NRA but my views are more in line with the conservative NRA option GOA http://gunowners.org/ -GP

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Trying to be nice here,,,, F the nra bunch of sob's Constitution hating A holes ever to walk in America...

and yes I have no doubt this election WILL decide the fate of the 2nd Amendment for the rest of my life (I'm 46)

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Qualla Check out GOA

http://gunowners.org/

I agree todays NRA is not the same Conservative organization it was in years past, when my current membership lapses I will not renew. You really should check out GOA, I joined when they first started, so far so good. -GP

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Have been a member since day 1 ( or at least week 1 lol)

That "as written" comment I made to DM is something I am WAY serious about,
,,,The right of the people to keep and bear arms, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

those last 4 words tell the tale, ANY law written and or enforced that infringes on MY (or your) right to keep (have) and bear (carry) is flat out end of story NOT constitutional

It would be no different if say Tyrone wrote a law that said something like:

All persons who have been approved by the chief of police and local magistrate and have paid a $50.00 processing Fee may own a slave

I KNOW this sounds silly but that is EXACTLY what "gun laws" have done, they have violated the 2nd just as sure as my scenario violates the 13th

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Liberal/Progressive activist Courts/Judges are one of the largest threats to freedom we have in this country, instead of interpreting law they are re-writing it their way!

You better believe if Obama is reelected he will attack the 2nd like never before. Hold your nose and Vote. -GP

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GP O and his Kourts

You know and I know there is ONLY 1 reason Joe Biden was chosen and is STILL the VP, and that choice is the ONLY thing that keeps Obama from being a complete mouth-breather

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GP 2nd Amendment

You Sir (?) are much more highly informed on Congressional matters than most,I do however have a question for you, have you ever asked Congressman Westmoreland about his stand on the 2nd, Face to Face? not what his web site states but what he THINKS ! Once he's finished with the platitudes ask THE question, my guess is you will NOT like his final answer. Gp it was this question I asked of him in 06 it was his answer that caused me to become VERY concerned about his "republican" brand. Look, I understand very few Americans
understand their Constitution, and even less WANT that much responsibility/Freedom. I do and I get the idea you do, but when we expect less from a politician then less is all we're gonna get. I for one am done taking less, and apologizing for wanting More Liberty ....QC

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I already plan to speak with him about the nightmare called UN Agenda 21, I really think he is fighting for us. In the meanwhile here is some info: http://westmoreland.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&... -GP

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BP ,, Gentleman's Agreement for now?

We can discuss Rep Lynn, but let's face it for now we are at odds,
so before we bore the heck outta everyone, let's just stick with CURRENT
issues,,,(I know I'm the one that brought up the past, but I did so just as a way to "introduce myself" )
Deal?

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Quallacherokee & "Gentleman's Agreement"

Doesn't matter what either of you think--he was re-elected and we're stuck with him. BTW, I voted for Kingsley and still think he would have represented most of us best.

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As did I plus I was also a member of Mr Kingsley Staff ....
this however has NOTHING to do with my post to Georgia Patriot

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This is a sincere question. You appear to have first hand knowledge of the legislative issues. What has the president proposed that would take away our 2nd amendment rights? I'm a trained 'gun handler'. I don't hunt, but enjoy the shooting range. Thanks.

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I am not Qualla and would not try to answer for him but Obama is smart, in an election year he has to keep his attack on the 2nd, "under the radar" ( his words) http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/12/28/president-obamas-anti-gun-agen... -GP

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Gun Rights/Gun Control - GP

Thanks. I found this site that gave me some background information on this issue. I was interested in the ruling on banning guns in urban areas (handguns)[declared unconstitutional] - and the actual effect that it had on the murder rate. (Not much!) It was also interesting looking at the right to carry guns in other countries. This is a problem that has become very 'political'. Just asking, is the concern about ending Second Amendment rights or doing something about the 'slaughter of human beings' in our urban areas'? (or both?) Can't something be done about domestic terrorism and criminal activity without taking away Second Amendment rights?

Interested in any and all opinions. Why? Because I enjoy using my gun at the range and keeping up whatever skill I have developed. I do rely on my alarm system and neighbors - and don't have the gun loaded when it is in the house - and I don't 'carry'. (But I live in Fayetteville - and not LA.) Even in LA/Altadena - I didn't have a loaded gun easily available - while raising my sons.

http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

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Might I point out a FACT?
in the US Constitution the term "ARMS" was NOT just a gun, "ARMS" could have been a Flint-lock, Cannon, Multi-Barrled all of the above, or a knife, sword, Bow/arrow, Crossbow, Stick, Sling, rope, or even a frying pan

Ma'am today 2012 YOU ARE COMMITTING A FELONY if you IN YOUR HOUSE have a Butter Knife. if your House is with in 1000 Feet of a School Zone, Like wise even if you have the States Permission to "carry a firearm" if you do so with-in 1000 feet of a school safety zone (even at 55mph just passing through) you have committed a FELONY... according to "the law"
HOWEVER the US Constitution as I have pointed out states that this state law is UNCONSTITUTIONAL,,,,but the real world fact is ,,, YOU WILL BE ARRESTED and CONVICTED of a FELONY simply because the Constitution is NOT the "law of the land" Your choice of President likewise is NOT a person that would defend you under these circumstances .....Need I say more?

(BTW in 1995 Lopez v US the SCOTUS decision was the "1000 foot School Safety Zone" was Unconstitutional,,,(tell that to DA Ballard or the Judges in Fayette Co, they could care less even when they are caught screwing the "free defense" attorney

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Very impassioned. I worked at schools in Los Angeles during riots, etc. - and 'carried' on the front seat of my car. Maybe law is enforced differently in Fayette County - but I was not arrested for 'felony' - and I have family in law enforcement/etc. - and maybe things are different here in Fayette County. . but their eyes were on the ceiling when I shared this with them just now. The courts found that the banning of guns in Chicago was unconstitutional. If a Fayette County Sheriff brought in a citizen as a felon for having a butter knife in their home, he/she should be sent to a workshop for further training on 'lawful arrests'. I will however check with Georgia state law - and also if this is as you say, I will check to see how this law is being enforced. (I do remember the 'judge' incident- disgusting) I understand your passion against Obama - but that wasn't my question regarding Second Amendment and criminal activity and domestic terrorism. You stated you didn't know about legislation. Thanks for your answer.

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Legislation to date,,,NO, but...(and I admit this is fear based)
In looking at his record as a Chicago politician ,,as brief as it was,
he DID support Mayor Daily's "anti Gun Rights" position, Even though
I have NO proof, the actions of HIS justice Department with the fast and furious fiasco/murder, connecting the dots (even without a conspiracy theory) is NOT a grey matter exercise. Listening to his Secretary of State currently and her past position of Gun Ownership in America and her push for a Gun Bato be pee'dn through the UN Treaty Process is a REAL HONEST threat, Having heard Joe Biden in 2005 and his declaration on Gun Ownership in America is also NOT an illusion, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid BOTH have anti 2nd Amendment views
so you ask "where is Obama"? not to be rude by answering a question with a question but ...Why would a supporter of the 2nd Amendment surround himself with Anti-2nd Amendment people????
Miss DM either the Pot is to be pee'd in or it's not,,, ONLY the ramrod dictates which pot IS the pee'n pot, or in other words 2+2+2+3 no matter which language you use = 9

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