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DM Gun Control

We probably could discuss this for days but all I can say right now is, if there are no young children in the house, with all due respect ma'am, LOAD YOUR WEAPON and use it if needed to protect yourself or your loved ones.

I am for gun control, I believe it is an important part of hitting what you are aiming at! -GP

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I understand - but I do have grandchildren who visit. We have lost young members in our family via a 'gun' accident. This is a pain that no one should take a chance on experiencing. . . Do you mean that becoming proficient (licensed) before being issued a gun should be a part of 'gun control'? I agree.

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Davids mom wrote:

I understand - but I do have grandchildren who visit. We have lost young members in our family via a 'gun' accident. This is a pain that no one should take a chance on experiencing. . . Do you mean that becoming proficient (licensed) before being issued a gun should be a part of 'gun control'? I agree.

Being "Licensed" before being "Issued" a gun??????

Licensed and issued by the government?

DM, it is not that the MURDERERS need practice, it is because they need a conscience and a change in their culture and civility, those can't come from the government. Those come from parents, schools and God.

You see DM, MY RIGHTS DO NOT COME FROM GOVERNMENT, I was born with them, a Gift FROM GOD.http://www.humanevents.com/2012/08/30/true-rights-come-from-god-and-nature-accept-no-substitutes/

I think this is where you and I have have fundamental differences in the role of government. -GP

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Be consistent. Driving a car without a 'license '? They both 'kill' in the hands of the wrong person. Criminals don't follow law - that's why they are criminals. I don't want unlicensed drivers - or good people with guns who have no skill.

Another big difference is our concept of 'gifts from God' and what these 'gifts' entitle one to.

A school can confer a 'license/certificate' to handle a gun. You're the one who sees 'government' in every corner of our existence.

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DM Drivers License

A Government issued permit does not ensue safety, I read all the time about licensed Drivers killing other Licensed Drivers, heck every now and then you hear about Well Licensed Pilots killing folks in airplanes, I also know Dr are licensed and some of them sometimes forget to take expensive medical tools out of their patients. A License Solves NOTHING. Your hair stylist has to be licensed,,ever had a bad hair cut?
FWIW In 1956 The SCOTUS ruled it Un Constitutional for a state to require a Non Commercial Driver to have a Drivers license, as "the use of ordinary means of Conveyance" is a Human right. This ruling btw has NOT been over turned, and states then re did the laws so as requiring a Drivers License would infringe on ones rights, (as long as that person didn't operate on Taxpayer Funded Roads, there are places out west where you can drive 500 miles and NEVER need a Drivers License)

The 2nd Amendment Requires no such permission from the government for a citizen to own and or carry arms, and let's be clear here, a Stick could be an "Arm" are you sure you want to have to go to the DMV or some other like entity to get a license so you can pick up a stick in your front yard?

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Davids mom wrote:

Be consistent. Driving a car without a 'license '? They both 'kill' in the hands of the wrong person. Criminals don't follow law - that's why they are criminals. I don't want unlicensed drivers - or good people with guns who have no skill.

Another big difference is our concept of 'gifts from God' and what these 'gifts' entitle one to.

A school can confer a 'license/certificate' to handle a gun. You're the one who sees 'government' in every corner of our existence.

You are the one who see's a role for government in ALL aspects of our lives!

A drivers license is state issued, another state law is you must have insurance, elected state legislatures passed these laws and our US Constitution says nothing about driving a car!

The Tenth Amendment states the Constitution's principle of federalism by providing that powers not granted to the federal government nor prohibited to the States by the Constitution are reserved to the States or the people.

As far as "a school can confer a license to handle a gun"? Whose school, yours? Have you ever heard this sentence before? "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"

Does a criminal that steals a gun attend this school???

You're the one who sees a 'role for government' in every corner of our existence! -GP

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"I am for gun control, I believe it is an important part of hitting what you are aiming at! -GP"

: ) Actually wouldn't that be Fire Control?, Gun Control is not having an AD
(Accidental Discharge),,
Yes I'm being nick picky all in fun tho

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"I am for gun control, I believe it is an important part of hitting what you are aiming at! -GP"

: ) Actually wouldn't that be Fire Control?, Gun Control is not having an AD
(Accidental Discharge),,
Yes I'm being nick picky all in fun tho

Actually I learned in basic over 40 years ago that it is a rifle or weapon, we could not use the term "gun". -GP

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GP,..'this is MY rifle...

...'this' (look btwn your legs) is my gun; one is for killing, the other for fun'! ;)

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KC Remember This Marching Song?

A little bird
With a yellow bill
Sat upon
My window sill
I coaxed him in
With a piece of bread
And then I crushed his F@#king head

Over 40 years and D@#n song still in my brain! -GP

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An all-time classic, GP...

...in Army Basic - don't forget to stomp that boot on 'crushed'!

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Ma'am , I do not have First hand knowledge, but what I do have is a gift from my God, and that would be my Brain. Ma'am Mr Obama based on his own writings (Dreams of my Father) Has foretold of his desires to rid America of the "right to keep and bear arms as it's arms that perpetuates violence against the Black community."

It's Mr Obama's continued efforts to negate the US Constitution by his continued circumnavigation of said Powers of the office of President.

DM let me be Clear, Mr Obama is by NO means the first to do this, but he is the first to do so "in the open"

As a student of Columbia, (based solely on his word) and Harvard (based solely on his word) and his Book " Dreams of my Father" I have no other conclusion than Barack (Barry Soetero) Hussien Obama has NEVER, NEVER NEVER
Claimed HIS Truth ,, so based ONLY on what HE has written and stated, I DO have Concerns about the US Constitution and MY Bill Of Rights

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Given: You don't trust Obama. I'm not going to even address your perception of POTUS. From your sharing about his statement about the violence in the Black community. . .I'm not surprised that he may have concern about the criminal activity and domestic terrorism.

Harvard? Come on. You don't pass the bar with a phony law degree from any school. President of Harvard Law Review. Do you have information (credible) that that is a lie? Please share. Did you see my question in bold? Any answer? Thanks!

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DM, Obama's Records,,,

Ma'am, No I have NO information about Barry's school'n NOR DO YOU
It was HIS claim,, and it is HIS refusal to provide ANY access to those records.
Ma'am, all I'm saying is ,,if he applied to McDonalds as a hamburger flipper
he would have HAD to provide more credentials than YOU and his supporters asked for ,,,,,,what's up with that????

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Say it long and loud enough - and some will believe it to be true. Check the National Bar Association; Harvard records; etc., etc., etc. I'm sure that those who just can't believe that this president has accomplished anything have checked this out. (I know I have - surprised you haven't.) Just maybe some of this was checked out before he ran for the Senate of the US - ya think? I know, I know - you haven't checked Bush's military records either. Maybe the same people are hiding these records from us. Oh wait - we do have the records from Colombia and Harvard. They still can't come up with those darn 'attendance' records of Bush. Life goes on.

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So please ma'am enlighten us with your facts you've uncovered, What was his GPA at Harvard or Columbia? Who were his instructors? Who did he date at Columbia, one would think his past girlfriends would be writing tell all books about what a catch he was,,
You do realize if you had all of this information YOU could be the first person to Shut Sean Hannity up, along with many other radio heads. You see, they are under the impression Obama hasn't released his transcripts, or any of his writings (ya know the endless papers one must write in college)

I'm looking forward to this information you have !

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Qualla...Going to be waiting a while...

...She's high on rhetoric and low on facts.. unless she can find it on the Huff and Puff.

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You have to read more than conservative media. Below, two of the many articles written by Obama's girlfriends.
In our country, very seldom does one share their grade point average. This president graduated from Colombia; was accepted at Harvard Law School; was President of Harvard Law Review. One does not achieve this with 'average' grades.
His journals ( which will be seen and read in an upcoming book and movie) will show while in New York, he went through a soul searching regarding who he is- based partly on his bi-racial heritage. Lots of people feel they know this man as well as they have known any public figure,

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505267_162-57426798/obama-ex-girlfriends-sto...

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/05/re-vetting_wars_obamas_girlf...

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/

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That's why I voted for the "other" guy..

Westmoreland talks a good game but walks a little funny at times.

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Westmoreland

He has a very solid record in regards to being fiscally conservative, so high marks for that. A lot of people with his tenure frankly come up short in that big area.

Now, once we leave fiscal domestic issues, Westmoreland gets a little scary. Actually, a LOT scary IMO. He needs a strong challenger and the "other guy" sort of shot himself in the foot in a big way in one of his letters this past election. Since then, he's sounded a lot better(maybe just inexperience with his first time running?), but Westmoreland is going to be very difficult to unseat. No way in hell a D will be able to so it will have to come within the ranks of R's.

I don't think Lynn Westmoreland being replaced is a "big deal" either. I would prefer someone else but there are a lot worse than he is.

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NUK .,, Westmoreland

I can't not and will not disagree with anything in your post, It would be VERY easy to get worse, But I really believe we in the 3rd, CAN do better if we are willing to look, Let me say this I'll take a Congress Full of Westmorelands over anything the Dems currently have to offer , Guam will tip over Johnson, Pass it to find out what's in it Pelosi, I keep stepping on my mouth Biden, and let's not forget, All Hail Marx Obama

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You need to list the entire bill

It is easy to just say he voted against something when we have no idea what was contained in the bill. I would bet he did us all a service with those votes based on his stand on issues.

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I am with you on this one. The left sometimes will add something ridiculous, knowing it will be voted down, just to be able to point and say, look at him, he doesn't like babies..or milk...or defense...making the bill a "straw man". -GP

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GP and Starrs Mill Dad

Actually I don't need to list the full bill, you see I read the full bill BEFORE he made his votes, ya see I pay strict attention to what my representative is up to, like his two taxpayer paid trips to Israel totaling more than $22,000.00.
I also not only pay attention, I have his Washington Dc office on speed dial
and call to voice my opinion on key bills and sometimes not so "key bills"
It's up to y'all to read these bills, call his office if there are questions about a bill and then communicate your opinion on how you want him to vote.
If you will recall it was GWB that DIDN'T want drilling in ANWAR so like a good little goose stepping party member Lynn fell in line with ANWAR, even though those of us in the Third were screaming Drill Baby Drill, It was GWB
that refused to open up Federal lands for oil and gas exploration and guess which Congress Critter fell in line...
Then there's the Co Sponsored Bill with Democrat/Socialist Maxine Waters
THAT ALONE should be enough to cause serious concern about his Voting Record.
What about Lynn voting NOT to remove Charlie Rangel as chairman of House Ways and Means.

Sorry guys(?) but I have paid attention and Lynn Westmoreland is a fine man, a good citizen, but a lousy Representative, as his doesn't represent my opinions very often, but hey, that's just me, maybe y'all buying oil form Canada,Venezuela, and the Mid East and think everyone should get a loan, and maybe y'all like Rangel, along with many other America Weakening votes

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Charlie Rangel Vote etc.

There is more to the no vote on removing Charlie Rangel, it seems all Ga. Republicans voted against (including Nathan Deal) and all Dems(Hank Johnston et al) voted for, It could have been the language or verbage, or the R's had their own bill in the works? It isn't as simple as saying Lynn Westmoreland voted against removing Charlie Rangel.

Personally I like only bills that will fit on a bumper sticker, like SMALL GOVERNMENT or NATIONAL DEFENSE or FAIR TAX or FREE SPEECH or RIGHT to BEAR ARMS.

As far as energy, Westmoreland website states he is an "all of the above" guy, with the goal of the United States being energy independence. -GP

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Good Morning!!

Yup Obama lost the debate - but Romney's admission that he was wrong on the 47% to Hannity just may have won the war!! Can't wait for the next debate!! (And Maxine Waters was cleared of all wrong doing by the ethics committee) This is truly an election year for the books! Have a nice day!

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It Takes a Real Man

to own up to it when he makes a mistake.

Unlike the spoiled man-child in office now that is suffering from "Narcissistic Personality Disorder". http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/212247.php -GP

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Gp on this one I have to be in Quallas camp...

I hear what they (Politicians) say.. I read what their literature and websites say...

..but you have to balance that out with their votes. If voting against the ANWAR bill was because of "A" then it is their responsibility to communicate to us why they voted against it.

I just think Congressman Westmorland wobbles a little to far to the left for me at times... But that is the beauty of our system. We can choose who we think will represent us the best.

GOD bless America...

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Which ANWAR bill?

Is this another Democrat "Straw Man" bill that looks like cake and ice cream on the outside but is actually filled with $H!t?

Be specific and we can discuss it.

Unlike Pelosi we need to read the bill first, I can remember tons of government oversight and other BS in bills that sound good at first but like I said, the devil is in the details. -GP

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Qualla/Lindsey

Which Anwar bill did Westmoreland vote against that you felt was wrong?

All I can find is this: http://westmoreland.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&...

I could be wrong here, just trying to gather all the facts. Thanks -GP

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GP ANWAR

July 17, 2007 HR 6515 the Bill Failed as Bush wanted, 244nays 173 yea's
Lynn = nay
"Vote to pass a bill that additionally facilitates drilling in the National Petroleum Reserve in Alaska and encourages oil companies to drill on already leased land in the United States."
Synopsis provided by Project Smart Vote, derived from the Library of Congress

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Qualla ANWAR HR 6515

I remember this bill, we get a lot of info (My Co is member of US Chamber of Commerce and NFIB) here is what USCC had to say http://www.uschamber.com/issues/letters/2008/key-vote-letter-opposing-hr...

From what I see there are Union labor requirements hidden,from my standpoint, Westmoreland rightly voted against this bill.

I would advise you to reexamine "Project Smart Vote" as it is a leftist organization. Their synopsis conveniently left out much information. -GP

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GP HR 6515

I too know this Bill, I simply used what is stored in memory on my puter for a quick cut and paste, and I'm well aware of PSV lefty ownership.
However, when this Bill was introduced I called Westmoreland and asked for a copy and read the dang thing, GWB, WAS AGAINST offshore drilling and drilling in ANWAR, Lynn went along with the party and voted NO, also back then there was high concern that in voting FOR the drilling it would cause negative results with independents in the upcoming 08 elections thus causing More republican seats to be lost. Basically ANWAR was a political pig, both sides used to gain power at the expense of America and no way around this Fact, Lynn Westmoreland Voted AGAINST drilling in ANWAR and Off shore

Enjoying this discussion, Thanks QC

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Qualla Anwar Drilling

http://westmoreland.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&...

The bill Westmoreland voted against had Dem MANDATORY UNION REQUIREMENTS, as a firm believer in "Right to Work" he voted the way I wanted him to! http://www.nrtw.org/rtws.htm -GP

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GP Right To Work

Amen on Right to Work BUT we're talking Alaska, a VERY VERY Right to work state
(and let's not forget who the Gov of Alaska was in 2007,) Congress can right all the bills they want but it up to the States to "enforce" said laws,
it would have went to Court, all the while Oil would be flowing.....

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ANWAR Drilling Bill
Quallacherokee wrote:

Amen on Right to Work BUT we're talking Alaska, a VERY VERY Right to work state
(and let's not forget who the Gov of Alaska was in 2007,) Congress can right all the bills they want but it up to the States to "enforce" said laws,
it would have went to Court, all the while Oil would be flowing.....

Then you should be mad at the Dem's, I am pretty sure Westmoreland would support drilling without all of the Dems Union Payback BS. -GP

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I'd like to suggest a subject to the Citizen Staff

Being a "hometown" paper I believe the readers would be better served if
in the near future a page was dedicated to Congressional Bills facing OUR
Representative(s) a quick summary, along with any other critical information, My bet is Lynn Westmoreland's Newnan office would be happy to facilitate this endeavor..

Anyone else here agree? or am I barking up a dead tree?

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Great Idea!

My only concern would be the equal time BS during an election year, but that may only pertain to radio and TV.

I already get email updates from Johnny Isakson, he might go for it as well. -GP

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Equal Time

I'm not a shyster ummm I mean lawyer but if there is NO opposition where's the "equal time" demand?

(ps Just kidding Lawyers, God knows with my views one day I'm gonna need ALL of ya)

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SCRATCH the "Equal Time" comment

GP, I'm NOT suggesting a left or right news page, just a reporting of what is before the whole of Congress, If the Bill is too long to print then add a web addy to look it up AS WRITTEN, but provide a synopsis of what the Bill is all about
IE
HR 25
"The Fair Tax Act" it's 132 pages long, WAY too much for the paper so include a link NON PARTISAN to THE Bill Library of Congress comes to mind
I suggest this page should be Information ONLY no editors No Opinions on THIS page just a straight forward page that informs those that still ONLY read the paper..Like my mom uncles and aunts, sure one day we'll all be (E) but not yet
I just believe "my" local paper as great as the Citizen is could be better by informing me (us) about Federal Bills that might effect me (us) MORE than anything the Commissioners could ever envision, and based on Frady's Folly that's bad ...........

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Quallacherokee & suggestion to Citizen Staff

Disagree. Those who are really intrested can access House & Senate websites (house.gov/senate.gov) and read all pending legislation. Those who aren't won't read it regardless where it appears.

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AHG, ASSUME ?

No you are SO incorrect, my mother, her sisters and MANY others in her generation do NOT have smart phones, they do NOT have computers (other than to play solitaire) and guess what,, THEY VOTE the "old guard" of Fayette County maybe dying off but there are MANY MANY MANY of them left, oh and BTW THEY are THE age group politicians pander too. Are you sure you ONLY want them to hear things from the AJC that WILL publish a partisan opinion of a Bill?

Wake up !! YOU are NOT the center of the universe, there are many others DIFFERENT than you and the way you think, (politics 101)

WHY on Earth would you object to a Congressional Bill being Posted in a Newspaper,,PRIOR to it being voted on???? Unless you have gains on ignorance

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QC & "assume"

Whoa! You have no idea what my politics are and just where did I insinuate that I was even close to "the center of the universe"? And I didn't say I "objected" to legislation being posted in a local newspaper prior to it being voted on--that's something you'll have to argue with the Editor/Publisher, not me! And it's obvious you haven't noticed that the AJC is now more balanced politically than before--or maybe you don't partake of multiple publications. Regardless, you're making a helluva splash here in the "C" right out of the blue and I'm sure you're having a ball..knock yourself out--the flame will die out sooner than you think! But don't mistake my comments--you're welcome here, just be as tolerant of others as we will be of you.

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>>>Disagree. Those who are really interested can access House & Senate websites (house.gov/senate.gov) and read all pending legislation. Those who aren't won't read it regardless where it appears.<<<

Sir (?) All I pointed out is that You are WRONG in YOUR assumption that everyone can understand and have intelligent dealings with the internet
There are MANY people right here in Fayette County Georgia that can't won't or refuse to join the 21st Century,,,But they DO Vote and READ Newspapers
are you really sure you want them to have the AJC as their ONLY source of Bill News??

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Best Debate Review Yet

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/snl-spoofs-msnbcs-reaction-to-the-debate...

They pretty much nailed it except for SE Cupp. -GP