Obama's Boyz
Fri, 09/28/2012 - 11:43pm
More thugs representing the Obama administration.
Member of 'Obama Boyz' gang charged in St. Louis shootings
This is the face of the Obama administration. They are nothing but a bunch of completely WORTHLESS thugs that care nothing about America, and only want to take, take, take.
Tue, 10/02/2012 - 10:41pm
#2
Obama the Racist!
I just watched tonight's (10/1/12) Hannity, Sean had Obama's June 2007 speech and a 2008 speech playing side by side, all I can say is WOW, which Obama is real and which is the actor! The 2008 speech is full of racist pandering using speech patterns with a ghetto dialect that I have never heard Obama use, very, very, weird! There can be no denying the racist points that Obama was trying to make with his audience, this is big.
The question now is which one is the real Obama? Will we ever know?
I wish everyone in America could see what I just watched, it was truly amazing, luckily I DVR'd it, all my friends and family have to see this.
BTW, there are 40 plus minutes of video, there are sanitized versions that are cut short, ranging from 4 to 9 minutes, just be aware the Lame Street Obama Media will try to use shorter sanitized versions to play this down. -GP
Wed, 10/03/2012 - 11:22am
#3
Steve Lindsey - Obama and his speech
I see a commentary in the LA Times that is defending Obama's speech and is titled "Obama video reveals everything ... that we already knew".
That goes to show that some are blind to Barry's beliefs.
Thu, 10/04/2012 - 6:15pm
#4
Cyclist - American dialects
Some students who read this 'blog' asked a rather interesting question.
Why is it racist when a black person uses dialect to connect to his audience, and not racist when a white person uses a dialect like 'ya all' when attempting to connect with his audience?
Thu, 10/04/2012 - 6:39pm
#5
DM
It wasn't Obama's use of dialect to connect to the audience. The ghetto dialect was not what I was referring to as being racist, the dialect was just pandering to the audience. Among other things, what was racist was the accusation that the people of New Orleans were victims of a white racist government and they did not get federal aid was because they were black. Very inflammatory and divisive speech, unlike the great uniter Obama PRETENDS to be.
Below is from the Daily Caller:
In a video obtained exclusively by The Daily Caller, then-presidential candidate Barack Obama tells an audience of black ministers, including the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, that the U.S. government shortchanged Hurricane Katrina victims because of racism.
“The people down in New Orleans they don’t care about as much!” Obama shouts in the video, which was shot in June of 2007 at Hampton University in Virginia. By contrast, survivors of Sept. 11 and Hurricane Andrew received generous amounts of aid, Obama explains. The reason? Unlike residents of majority-black New Orleans, the federal government considers those victims “part of the American family.”
The racially charged and at times angry speech undermines Obama’s carefully-crafted image as a leader eager to build bridges between ethnic groups. For nearly 40 minutes, using an accent he almost never adopts in public, Obama describes a racist, zero-sum society, in which the white majority profits by exploiting black America. The mostly black audience shouts in agreement. The effect is closer to an Al Sharpton rally than a conventional campaign event.
-GP
Thu, 10/04/2012 - 10:15pm
#6
GP
Among other things, what was racist was the accusation that the people of New Orleans were victims of a white racist government and they did not get federal aid was because they were black. Very inflammatory and divisive speech, unlike the great uniter Obama PRETENDS to be.
GP - that was an assumption that was made by many Americans of all colors. The pictures shown on TV were as shocking as the pictures of the dogs and fire hoses being used in some places in the south. Many Americans have donated to third world countries that were in need -but to see our own citizens (white and black) in that situation so long after the hurricane had passed was devastating. It wasn't too smart to bring that memory back up - it reminded many of the administration that had a problem getting help to these citizens,
Thu, 10/04/2012 - 6:48pm
#7
Gee Davids mom
I'm still unable to understand why it wasn't racist when the Vice Perpetrator made his "little" speech that Mitt Romney’s tax policy would put “y’all back in chains, before a mixed-race crowd in Danville, Va. If anyone other than a liberal democrat made that comment we wouldn't hear the end of it.
Thu, 10/04/2012 - 10:35pm
#8
Cyclist
The VP knew his audience and they knew him. You would not have gotten away with such a statement. (Know your audience) Ron Paul may have gotten away with it; The audience had no problem with it - but the conservative press did (and possibly some black Republicans - although those that I know didn't) What is interesting is that 'race' and sensitivity to it has become such a big issue since 2008. We knew what was happening when Reagan went to announce his candidacy for president in the town where Emmit Till was last seen. Not very subtle. But for the most part, most Americans can relate on a one on one basis - but still feel sensitive about 'rights' and privileges being 'taken' from one group and 'given' to another or vice versa. Mixed race crowd? A mixed crowd of Americans can't have the same slant on an issue? I think we're past that. In spite of a report of 0% African American men voting for Romney - we both know that there are 'black Republicans who support the 'conservative' platform. Only in America are the racial labels so pronounced.
Thu, 10/04/2012 - 6:58pm
#9
DM: How about this?
Some students who read this 'blog' asked a rather interesting question.
Why is it racist when a black person uses dialect to connect to his audience, and not racist when a white person uses a dialect like 'ya all' when attempting to connect with his audience?
Why is it racist to hear a white person say the n-word when some black people(especially in the entertainment culture) refer to each other the same way? It's OK for a black person to call another black person the n-word but not OK if a white person does that? I call BS on both.
As far as "ya'll" goes, it's a southern thing. Sort of like all the people running around wanting to "axe" me something. If you think that dialect is "racist," more power to you in cleaning it up and telling everyone else how to speak properly.
The point was that Obama decided to "lower" himself to the audience he was spewing to. Not much different than the Romney private fund raiser "47%" that got all the media inflamed. They both catered to the crowd and at the end it was Romney taking all the heat while Obama got his usual free pass from his fawning media.
Thu, 10/04/2012 - 8:23pm
#10
Talking down to?/pandering?
As usual - and what most people don't understand, the offense/non offense is in the eye/ear of the beholder. To say that either of these statements/concerns are racist - in a so-called nation healed of 'racism'. is something that the younger generation finds perplexing. You and I perceive based on our experience - and are offended or not offended because of our unique experiences in this country. The younger citizens - regardless of their philosophical leaning (political) are rising above race. That is encouraging. (By the way - back in 2007, Obama did not get a free pass from the 'conservative' media. Blacks and whites voted for him anyway. Regarding the n word; there are different opinions regarding the use of this word among blacks. As long as it is used in a derogatory manner by anyone - it is considered offensive. Years ago - and I imagine today, 'white trash' may be considered derogatory. Red neck was considered derogatory. . . but there are some whites who proudly identify as 'red neck'. There are some blacks who use the n word; there are some whites who use Red Neck - without it being derogatory. I've learned to not use either unless I know the 'listeners very very well. In Spanish the word 'ladron' is found in Spanish literature - but to call someone a 'ladron' in certain sections of an urban area in the US can cause a fight. In such a complex nation - it is important to know abour the diversity/history of our country and the wonderful citizens who inhabit it.
Thu, 10/04/2012 - 9:06pm
#11
Bilingualism (dialects) among 'black's and white Americans
Many black Americans were taught the beauty of the 'black' dialect used by such authors as Langston Hughes, Maya Angelo, Alice Walker (The Color Purple) Countee Cullen. Although the use of standard English is necessary for communication in our country for all citizens, most Americans who know their ethnic heritage can relate to their cultural dialect. Some of this countries most eloquent 'black' actors are bilingual (dialect) - Sidney Portier, Harry Belafonte; James Earl Jones; Denzel Washington; etc., etc., etc. and most 'black' men in the public eye ( Colin Powell, POTUS ) have the ability to speak in dialect. I had the opportunity to have a conversation with Andy Griffith's brother who lived in Altadena. Truly 'bilingual' or more as far as dialects go. Dustin Hoffman, Jack Benny, Brad Pitt, John Wayne and many other well-known men - can speak different dialects. It's an American thing. Romany knew his audience when he said 'ya all' and Obama knew his. In the 50's and before, it was difficult for a person who spoke with a strong southern accent/black dialect to get a job with the Los Angeles School Unified District. Some even took elocution lessons before their oral interview. Americans don't speak the 'kings' english - but we are proud of who we are - and the language that we speak. We are different from the Canadians and the Brits - but all speak 'English'. We are learning not to denigrate cultural 'dialects'.
Thu, 10/04/2012 - 9:12pm
#12
Uh..huh... sure...
Yep that explains the fake accent Dems do to ingratiate themselves to their demographic...
Thu, 10/04/2012 - 9:50pm
#13
Fake?
SL you are truly a throw back to another time and place - I hope!! I don't remember JFK, Lyndon Johnson, or Jimmy Carter ever 'faking' the accent of their cultural heritage. In my opinion, because of the color of their skin, they may not have felt the need to 'suppress' their cultural dialect. Gosh, why did Obama not have permission as a Democrat to use his cultural dialect (bilingualism)? (According to you and those like you)
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 8:28am
#14
DM
I am a throwback??? Lady.. you live in the 60's and I am a throwback wow...
Carter had a Southern accent and Johnson had a Midwestern neither tried to talk ghetto when they addressed the NAACP or any other ethnic group.
Only people like Obama, Hillary and Biden fake accents to talk down to their audience.. it is clearly a soft form of racism note (r) little r.
Much like someone from New England trying to talk Cajun when in the bayous of Louisiana. It is pandering at it's worst and bigoted at best.
I don't really care how he said the words the words themselves are daming enough DM.. Obama is no better the Al Sharpton or a Jessie Jackson.. He is a Race Pimp... he just doesn't do it for a living.
btw-Your use of bilingualism is incorrect unless you think Ebonics is a language so......
bi·lin·gual·ism [ bī líng gwə lìzzəm ]
1. fluency in two languages: the ability to speak two languages easily and naturally
2. use of two languages: the regular use of two languages in everyday communication
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 8:39am
#15
Dialect
a : a regional variety of language distinguished by features of vocabulary, grammar, and pronunciation from other regional varieties and constituting together with them a single language
b : one of two or more cognate languages
c : a variety of a language used by the members of a group
d : a variety of language whose identity is fixed by a factor other than geography (as social class)
See'b : Ebonics , a term given to the black dialect of the US 'black', is / was considered a language by some to be understood. Many have considered those who are comfortable with both standard English and Eubonics as having a bilingual skill. That's my opinion.
Black dialect is not ghetto. What do you call the 'dialect' of the 'hillbilly' ? Poor use of grammar is just that. The black dialect used by the early 'blacks' is a combination of English/ African/ and regional communication terms.
The black dialect also incorporates tonality and deliverance - much like the Asian languages.
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 8:42am
#16
So Obama uses Ebonics when he speaks..
... to those of color and he uses what..English when he speaks to the rest of us?
Do you really want to say that?
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 9:36am
#17
SL
You made that erroneous statement - not me. If you play basketball with Obama, he may use dialect with you.
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 8:55am
#18
Carter/Johnson
I had the opportunity to hear both speak to predominantly black groups. Both were highly trusted by the audience and both knew the audience and what they represented. Both used terms and a tonality that this audience understood. It was never perceived as pandering, or talking down to. They both received standing ovations and a lot of Amens! It's not called pandering , it's called communicating with your audience. When I hear some white audiences perceiving Obama as too professorial, maybe he is assuming a higher degree of comprehension than is present in some of those audiences.
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 9:25am
#19
So "you" heard and "you" judged...
... well you are certainly bi-partisan so I guess that settled that.
So let me get this straight... If Bush had of spoke in front of the NAACP and used "bilingualism", as you call it, you would be praising him for his mastery of languages right?
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 9:51am
#20
SL
You are so limited! Bush has spoken to 'black' groups effectively with hisTexas draw - and been applauded and praised for his support in combating HIV and AIDS in Africa.
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 4:50pm
#21
DM you must have been great at dodge ball...
.... cause you b shufflin .... hard.
So Bush spoke to "black" groups with his "TEXAS DRAW" (drawl)...
You just made my point he spoke with his NORMAL regional accent not an AFFECTED accent unlike Hillary, Biden and Obama.
You don't even know when you uhhh..."misspeak" happens when you don't really have an argument.
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 10:08am
#22
Bi-Partisan?
Carter and Johnson from the same party. I have met a number of Republicans of color here in FC. Do they attend meetings?. Are there some meetings where only the 'white members are invited? I hope not. I know there is diversity in the Democrat Party here - and assume the same for the Republican Party.
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 9:41am
#23
Question for DM
So do dis be meaning I need to be typing dif'rent when I be typing to DM?
since it clearly not be O ffendn or pandern
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 10:26am
#24
Q whatever
Do I communicate with you in this fashion? To pander is one thing. What you just did is a feeble attempt to insult. I'm sure Grizz and Suggarfoot are proud.
KNOW YOUR AUDIENCE.
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 10:38am
#25
Blamed SL for this initially, huh????
Including some shots at other folks too. Anger and haste....
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 11:47am
#26
DM
No Ma'am it's not whatever, while YOU may not communicate like this others do, and if you're ok with Obama, Hillary, Carter and Johnson changing the way they communicate simply because of their perception that it makes them "more black" then how is it when I type to those Blacks here I change my "language" an insult?
I guess what you're saying is if Obama Hillary Carter Johnson or anyone else
that might be speaking to American Indians it would be ok for them to grunt and say HOW! but I'm not allowed to type Osada sunelia Wado
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 1:34pm
#27
Quallacherokee
It's the 'intent' - as G35 has pointed out.
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 1:43pm
#28
QUallacherokee
I's don't use da talk wid you cuz I's has no loves for youse . You are allowed to type whatever you please - the intent is noted.
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 3:24pm
#29
DM, No answer huh?
I see you failed to answer my basic question, You have no problem with Democrats changing their mannerisms, speech, and demeanor as long as their talking about "taking it back from whitey" Thus I take this to mean you have no problem with these same people walking onto a Reservation and um, talkum likeum old hollywood flickums.
Well, dear I find BOTH to be insults to the listeners and downright "lording over' attitudes, (not that I expect anything less from the ruling class historically lying slave owning democrats)
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 6:04pm
#30
QUallacherokee
You can't understand the answer either in dialect or standard English. Brush up on your history. Southerners owned slaves. Southerners were called Dixie-Crats who didn't want to end segregation. Southerners changed to Republicans once Lyndon Johnson signed the voters right bill. (Now even little ole me can vote in Georgia - there was a time when I couldn't) Know your audience. . . and your history. . . . and the right to use a skill . . . even if it means changing your mind (like Romney and his 47% when he realizes that his words - which we all heard loud and clear - were not only not eloquent - but were WRONG. You seem pretty adept at some bi-dialect skill yourself Kimmosabe - or whatever.
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 7:43pm
#31
DM , History IS my concern
The term "Dixie Crat" is relatively new, I believe if you will read a book
written and published prior to the re writing history of the 1990's you will find that slave owners both of the South and North were in fact Democrats,
Furthermore my Family has FIRST HAND knowledge of how Presidents of the Democratic party will lie to their face, Ya see there was a fellow by the name of Andrew Jackson, before he became president he was a general, He knew he need a larger army to defeat the Brits so he Promised Cherokees, Creeks, Seminoles, and a few other nations that if they fought WITH him their lands would forever be protected, My Grandfather 5 generations ago fought with him in New Orleans, His son in the 1820's found out first hand what Jackson's word was worth, ever hear of the trail of tears? (My family the Qualla along with the Snowbirds and Tuscarora's decided NOT to leave but that's a whole nuther story) The Governor of Ga at the time Forsyth was a democrat as well, as were the Governors of N Carolina and Tennessee. They all either wanted "the indians enslaved or removed' even though this violated the New Echota Treaty. Fast forward to Martin Luther King SR a republican his son MLK Jr was also a registered republican until Kennedy convinced him to switch to the Dem party ONLY as an act to "de power" the Southern Democrats ALL of this is a matter of History and can be found in the Libary of Congress, written like I said earlier Before the revisionist history changers of the 1990's.Also FWIW I have intended no offense towards you but having read your post for well over a year, I just don't see us seeing eye to eye very often, and I do celebrate your right to be wrong (lol just a joke)
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 8:21pm
#32
QUallacherokee
Very interesting. Ever hear of the term 'six degrees of separation' My great, great grandfather traveled the trail of tears - to Oklahoma. My great, great grandfather (Choctaw) refused the 'reservation. I'm researching his journey now. It is an interesting story. Almost all black people of my mother's age were Republicans - the party of Lincoln. The distinct effort of the Democrats (Dixie-crats) in Georgia against the ending of segregation and continuing the denial of voting privileges to Negros - was the reason MLK and many, many other blacks changed their political affiliation. My mother never changed hers - but voted for FDR and Democrats -as many blacks did long before John Kennedy was born. Same facts - different interpretation. You have a proud history - as do many in this region and throughout our country. There was no 'revisionist' history written in the 1990's except to try to denigrate those who fought for Civil Rights - and accuse them of destroying the so-called supremacy of other citizens. . My 'other' relatives have been here and identified as 'black' since the American Revolution. You may be one of those proud Native Americans who want to deny that there were slave owning tribes in our country or a relationship between Native Americans and blacks. No matter - it is all documented in the archives of many states. (And now we have DNA) Americans are the most diverse people on the earth!!
Thu, 10/04/2012 - 9:15pm
#33
DM - If I may
suggest that ya'll just come to an agreement that it is futile to try and change who people are and more importantly what they say. If someone wants to use the "n" word, they should just use it. They have the right to say whatever they want to say and they can use whatever dialect they want to do it.
Ya'll agree?
Thu, 10/04/2012 - 9:43pm
#34
PTCO
I would suggest that you know your audience before you use the 'n' word - and I will be very careful before I use 'white trash'. Obviously - you look for simplistic answers to issues that you know very little about. Stay in Fayette County. The relations and understanding here is better than is expressed in this discussion by some.
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 9:34am
#35
But DM
You do believe in free speech, don't you?
You may not like what some people say but I just assumed you believe that they have the right to say it, no matter what audience.
Is this basic freedom "simplistic"?
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 10:17am
#36
PTCO
It's wisdom to use this right wisely, and not yell fire in a crowded auditorium when there is no fire. Unwise, hateful use of words can have horrible consequences. Words are powerful, and the right to use them should not be taken lightly.
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 2:32pm
#37
DM - True
But who's to decide? You? Me? Or the Government in the form of limiting speech?
Human action always has consequences, do you agree?
So, while we all would never yell fire in a crowded theater when there is no fire, should we extend this ruling to every situation where exercising an opinion would be limited by the threat of violence? Then who would decide what level of risk is appropriate. You? Me? The government?
If we went by this limitation, then Dr King would never have had the opportunity to voice his repudiation of segregation and injustice. It simply would have been too risky.
No DM, I understand your concerns about labels and those that use them, but to limit them as "hate speech" is far more dangerous to us all. Where do the limits begin and who decides those limits?
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 2:56pm
#38
PTCO
Although the results of that 'film' degrading the Islamic religion was disgusting. I, like you, defend his right to free speech. Like 'hate crimes' I feel hate speech should be determined in the courts. As G35 says - intent. Freedom is not easy or simplistic - but evidently worth fighting for.
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 10:11pm
#39
DM - I disagree
that Freedom is somehow complicated. The fact that we have legislated "hate speech", is a danger to our freedom of speech. If we have laws concerning hate speech, why not laws concerning blasphemy? Why not laws concerning speeches against the government? Who exactly arrests you for expressing your views using hate speech or your points against the government? Representatives of the government, correct? You don't see a problem with this?
If you incite a riot, then you should be held accountable for causing individual injury and property damage. If someone gets in front of a group that could take exception to their language and they are beaten by the crowd, should they be arrested? Is this a riot or a violation of the rights of the speaker? I can tell you that a lot of people got beaten up in the South because of their "hate speech". You see DM, hate speech is in the eye of the beholder. I for one don't want laws on the books that restricts free speech, anyone's speech. Including yours.
All this seems pretty simple to me, not complicated at all.
Thu, 10/04/2012 - 8:52pm
#40
NUK_1 - Here's
the problem, the media spent an entire week or more teeing up the 47% "issue" and their man didn't even swing at the ball. Talk about being upset!! They pitched a softball and he didn't even swing!! He made them look like morons, oh? Wait, they are morons.
Thu, 10/04/2012 - 9:40pm
#41
Nuk
Do you really think that the audience of 'black' ministers felt that Obama was 'lowering' himself to use cultural dialect? Do you feel that the 'black dialect' is below 'yours'? What is yours? Are you from Boston? Kentucky? the California valley, the east LA barrio? All have distinct 'dialects' of the English language. Which one is 'aove' yours?
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 12:56am
#42
DM: Get a clue
White people call each other "white trash" or "rednecks" or whatever. Black people call them "crackers." This isn't like a revelation at all to anyone who pays any attention or who has interacted with both white and black people in the US for a while, especially in the southern US.
I was brought up to not denigrate others with those kind of terms. It's amazing to me that a certain group of the population glorifies it, but only if "they" say it. Otherwise, it's racist and wrong.
I tell you what: you can call me a cracker or whatever name you want to and I get a free pass on calling you a n-word if I was that kind of scum. Does that seem like a great way to uplift humanity from basic ignorance and prejudice? It doesn't to me, but I'm sure you'll mangle the hell out of it to in some way justify that kind of bigotry, double standards and ignorance.
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 2:51am
#43
thank you NUK
Thank you NUK for hitting DM right between her racist eyes!
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 6:50am
#44
Deleted bynposter
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Fri, 10/05/2012 - 6:48am
#45
Reading comprehension? Nuk
It was PTCO who suggested to allow people to make the decision? to use those words. My suggestion was to know your audience. Nuk, you and no other person on earth will ever have permission to call me the n word. For you to even think of doing it shows you didn't learn the teachings of your elders. As I said, not all blacks and all whites have the same attitude towards the use of derogatory name calling. It is a form of bullying, and despicable. I don't call anyone a 'red neck' - for it was not a complimentary term regarding 'white people' in my day. There are 'whites' who may feel differently today. We teach children the history and meaning of derogatory terms - so they understand why some people strongly object to the use of some terms today. I don't think most white people have any idea of the derogatory terms used by those of other races to identify 'white' people. Because of rights and privilege, it was dangerous to use such terms around 'whites' ( if they knew what the word referred to) - whereas the n word was freely used in reference to black people in this country. I have more than a clue. It has been my experience. I'm grateful to see the change in actions. Some individuals words give me pause.
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 7:48am
#46
give it up DM
not only is NUK right, you are out classed in everyway, he will make mince meat out of you!
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 7:58am
#47
Suggarfoot
All opinions are welcome here. Especially yours. It clarifies and illuminates the thought of many Americans. You don't need Nuk to make mincemeat of me. Try it, you may succeed.
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 10:46am
#48
Dm
You didn't have problem whipping this one out on me.
http://www.thecitizen.com/node/5029?page=2 #208 and 210. Just another double standard.
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 10:57am
#49
Hutch
Wow! A comment from 2010, Hutch, I'm so sorry that you have been carrying that for so long! Like Romney said - I was wrong! Have a great day!
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 11:15am
#50
Well Mom
Do you recognize these quotes? 'I don't call anyone a 'red neck' - for it was not a complimentary term regarding 'white people' in my day'. 'Some individuals words give me pause'.
Just pointing out that while you talk the high road, you don't necessarily walk it.
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 11:24am
#51
Hutch
I'm not getting to the quote you want me to see. Please post it. As I said, if in 2010 I offended you, I'm sorry. I've learned a lot here. Give me a little credit for some growth over the past 2 and a half years.
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 1:07pm
#52
DM-Southern dialect
Why is it racist when a black person uses dialect to connect to his audience, and not racist when a white person uses a dialect like 'ya all' when attempting to connect with his audience?
Words are only words. Why are some thought to be good and others bad? Intent! First of all "Ya all" is incorrect. Y'all is a southern word that is a contraction of you all. It was not an invented word meant to insult or divide. I once worked for a black lady that may have been the nicest person I've ever known. We had a talk one day and this topic came up. She told me that some blacks shunned her and her husband because they "talked too white". The slang language that we are discussing is a way to separate and divide. Therein lies the difference in my opinion.
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 1:30pm
#53
G35 Dude
The topic of division due to 'dialect' is a very interesting topic - and your friends shared a very real experience. But there are many 'blacks' who were taught to speak standard English - and still relate to 'black dialect' (and can read and write it'!) - and enjoy it in literature and 'church'. If you listen to any of MLK's sermons - you'll hear it in the tonality, ect. This reminds me of 'cockney' and the 'kings' English.
You are so right. No matter who uses the word - the intent is what the 'hearer' hears.
Thu, 10/04/2012 - 7:55pm
#54
CY unless you are a race huckster we already knew...
...what and who Obama is. DM asked why is it racist to use a dialect to relate to the audience.
While I am not sure where she got the "racist" part or where the supposed "students" did, other then everything you disagree with about Obama is therefore racist, anytime someone uses a "dialect" that is affected it is dishonest at least.
Much like when Hillary affected a Southern Black dialect she was pandering.. Obama did no less. But that's OK they are Democrats and they can get away with that.
Thu, 10/04/2012 - 10:09pm
#55
Affected?
Using your cultural dialect is an affectation? ;You have played basketball with a diverse group of players? SL - you are not only 'racist' - but a political snob. Do you only associate with 'white' Republicans who play basketball with their mouths shut? Interesting. (David's mom - bad assumption that SL plays basketball) The image has me Rotfl.
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 8:32am
#56
Well there you go again.. Calling me a racist..
Didn't think it would take long.. I can always tell when you are struggling to justify your argument you almost always go one of two ways.. Either the other is a racist or the other is uneducated.
Using affected dialects to ingratiate yourself to another to make it appear "I am just like you" is a form of bigotry DM. You are saying to the other person you wouldn't understand me or we cannot relate unless I come down to your level.
Is it honoring a race of people DM to say trying to talk in a sing song dialect when speaking to Chinese Americans, how about Indians or is it more likely insulting because what the politicians are doing is pandering to that group.
That is what the Democrat Politicians do. They speak in a accent that is not normally there form of speech thus it is affected speech.
btw-You are an idiot....
See I can insult people too.
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 1:51pm
#57
SL -
It is just too easy to get you to take the low road. You are a racist - and that is your right. I know very few Americans that don't harbor some racist thoughts - including me! Are you saying you have never expressed a racist thought? Congratulations.
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 10:36pm
#58
So DM by your own definition you are a racist too...
It is just too easy to get you to take the low road. You are a racist - and that is your right. I know very few Americans that don't harbor some racist thoughts - including me! Are you saying you have never expressed a racist thought? Congratulations.
So if "thoughts" can now make you a racist... have you ever thought of being with a women? Repulsed? Does that make you anti-gay?
Dm you are getting worse everyday. I sometimes pity you that you live in such a narrow world.
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 11:12pm
#59
Birds of a feather, IMHO...
...flock together, but they all have rights & respect in our nation. I'm a Midwestern boy who didn't meet anyone who wasn't white until midway through high school. The 'N' word was just what it was - a name for those we didn't know. Entering college, I met and associated with my first black person; he was a great guy and we worked out together and went to a couple of 'old timers' (aka HS grad) wrestling tourneys. I have lost touch, as does happen.
Since, especially after joining the Army, I met many more 'ethnic' mates - primarily black & Puerto Rican. Due to such exposure, even being subjected to racist acts (as much as I got on w/ my black platoon mates, I was never invited to their Tonk [card game] parties on our off days), I learned they were just regular folk like me. To this day, I work with and have many former mates of another color, and we get on well but we don't do much outside the work environment; we just don't have similar backgrounds that draw people together. Most here is because I wasn't raised here in the South; there are few here of any race, etc...that I am all that close to - they are just not the same as those from where I come. I tend to believe it's more about where you come from than where you are, and even though we are all capable of surviving in any climate/area, we are just more comfortable with those birds of our feather, no disrespect to others.
Sat, 10/06/2012 - 6:26pm
#60
KC
You have shared what many others have found to be true. Kindred tastes - developed from similar early experiences and family traditions can promote good race relations in the US. Where (forced) integration worked was after exposure for a period of 10-15 years to a diverse population; friendships were made and maintained. My sons high school class - (they were among the first to attend a 'forced' integrated school in Pasadena, CA.) has just finished a documentary on race relations. They were together from the 2nd grade. They lived in basically the same neighborhood, attended the same schools through high school - and remained in the same general area after college. (Also, their parents were cooperative in afterschool activities like scouts, pop warner ball, etc.) From my observation here in FC - many neighborhoods are like the neighborhood where my son grew up. I see parents working cooperatively at after school activities. I notice that children seem to relate fine in the neighborhood and on the swim team, etc. Problems in LA came because there were not many 'integrated' neighborhoods. Therefore, the children who were strangers were the children who were 'different'. It was in those situations where children of 'kindred tastes' sought each other out for play and relaxation during the school day. What is obvious is that the schools in our country should not accept the sole responsibility for the unity among Americans that the words of our written documents profess. Those who could afford to move to the suburbs were those who found a 'diverse' educational opportunity for their children (in the north and west). The demographics in the south were different. Blacks and whites lived often in the same neighborhood back in the day - but lived in segregated worlds until the end of Jim Crow. The implementation of and the end of Jim Crow policies left bitterness in the hearts of many. The desire to be with those with kindred tastes is a human factor which is not necessarily 'racist'. Many citizens in Georgia (black and white) have 'overcome' . Fayetteville is a shining example of American principles in action IMO. There are many urban areas that have not yet 'overcome'. During this conversation regarding 'race' - many of the negative factors which still exist in our hearts and our communities are shared. There are some that I have saved that are most positive. Thanks for sharing those. My experience in California was different. I always attended integrated schools because my family would always be among the first to integrate a neighborhood in Los Angeles. There were segregated PTA groups in the schools until the mid 50's. The scout organizations were integrated, but there was very little encouragement of interaction other than at meetings. Black Americans formed national organizations for youth so that their children would be exposed to some of the same activities that 'white' children were exposed to other than at 'school'. We've come a long way - and FC, with all of its problems, (financial, etc.) has an opportunity to continue to provide a valuable integrated experience for the students and families who live here. I'm grateful that I've lived long enough to see this!!
Sat, 10/06/2012 - 11:07pm
#61
I seem to remember, DM...
...that I read once that a majority of people end up within 100 miles of where they were raised. I didn't really think it so until I've now reached the age of 51 and my wife is hankering to move back to Kansas to be near family. Personally, I love the weather & the golf here; I can always catch a flight back!!! I've been to the Masters 4 times now; that would NEVER have happened if I was back there keeping an eye on Dorothy & Toto!!
Sat, 10/06/2012 - 11:19pm
#62
KC
I was born in LA - but my husband was born in Griffin - and here we are!!! It's interesting that one of my neighbors in California has retired in Fayetteville. (She was raised in Alabama). Yep, flying keeps me closer to my roots! Masters 4 times! That's great! Interesting where life's journey takes us - and what experiences we have on the way!
Sun, 10/07/2012 - 8:30am
#63
Another oddity, DM...
...is that my HS Sr Prom date (our KS hometown has 5K pop.) lives in PTC! She married a Delta pilot, so here she is!
Sat, 10/06/2012 - 11:30pm
#64
KC..BUT
If I might butt in,,,
Based on you screen handle I gather you're a KC Ks feller,, yes we have the Masters, We have the Braves, We have Peaches, We have a dang fine place to live,,,,but KC has,,,, REAL BBQ,,,nuff said Jayhawker,have a safe trip back home ! :)
Sun, 10/07/2012 - 8:27am
#65
Qualla....
...that IS (aside from family) the one thing I'd RUN back to KC for - some Arthur Bryant's ribs or anything from Jack's Stack (or about 50 other great places)!!
Sat, 10/06/2012 - 8:20am
#66
Dm the race bater
and now you have finaly admitted it.
"It is just too easy to get you to take the low road. You are a racist - and that is your righ"
What kind of a sick person sits on here day in and day out baiting people on race? You are evil and really sick. You don't care about blacks....you only care about attention and self pity....and you go for it any way you can. You are just plain putrid.
Wed, 10/03/2012 - 1:20pm
#67
Which one is real? Who will show up?
The "47% that I don't need Romney ", or the Obama who can speak and understand the dialect of the ghetto poor? Play it down? Is there a sanitized version of Romney's off the cuff comment made in May of 2012? Is there a sanitized version of 'ask your parents for college assistance'? All the points found in the conservative, Libertarian leaning Daily News will make this debate interesting. I'm sure that both candidates will be at their best tonight. The Liberal press will share their take on who 'won', the Conservative press will share theirs. The American people will make the decision. And neither candidate will take steps that will cause this country to fail. We're looking for plans that will create jobs, improve our infrastructure , improve our education, secure our borders. And bring our sons and daughters home! On another level, we're looking for representatives in Congress who can deliberate and legislate. ( not collect a paycheck and 'do nothing'). I'm sure over the span of debates, both candidates will try to answer the concerns of the American people.
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 11:26pm
#68
You know, there was a time not too long ago that it would not
have been considered unheard of or a sin for someone to suggest you go to your parents for college assistance, but of course that was before we all started to feel "Uncle" should take care of all our wants and needs. There was also a time when it was not necessary for everyone to go to college/university. Some people are not suited and would be better off learning a trade---in fact, right now those with a trade, i.e., plumbing, electrician etc. are in demand and are making more than PhDs. We spend a fortune in tax dollars teaching many freshmen remedial classes in the basics because they are not college material. There was also a time when we took care of our family members who became ill or fell on hard times--now we go to "Uncle" for that too. What too many don't stop to realize is that we are "Uncle" and that money comes from the taxes we pay--we need to go back to being independent acting, thinking Americans--we are losing too much and I don't mean financially.
Sat, 10/06/2012 - 11:42pm
#69
Mytimite
I understand what you're saying - but the cost of taking care of our own years ago was 'doable'. And how many parents today with two or more children can afford to send them to college - without the child working or receiving a scholarship OR borrowing money? You are so right about the plumbers and electricians!! Today's doctors are working their pants off trying to maintain the lifestyle that 'doctors' are supposed to have. There was a time in the 30's when doctors were borrowing money from the 'tradesmen ! It looks like that time is back! And yes, Uncle is 'us'.
Mon, 10/08/2012 - 10:15am
#70
what's wrong with working way through college
I went to college in the early 80s and my parents were middle class, too rich to get financial aid and too poor to pay. I worked 40 hours a week and went to college at a private school living at home. I had time to have fun too. When it was time to apply for jobs guess who had a lot more interviews then my friends who spent 4 years in the dorms..
Tue, 10/02/2012 - 10:54pm
#71
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Wed, 10/03/2012 - 7:47am
#72
Obama fiddles while the World burns...
He's got time for the Cult of Personality sycophants but not our Allies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWnwDtc_gJw&feature=player_embedded
Wed, 10/03/2012 - 11:08am
#73
The Obama Boyz
How appropriate.
Thu, 10/04/2012 - 10:43pm
#74
According to the picture
They're 'diverse'. Sad. Equal opportunity to be stupid.
Wed, 10/03/2012 - 12:21pm
#75
Why Obama's Racist Speech Matters
This guy is like a chameleon, his speech and views seem so natural, what does the REAL Obama sound like or is EVERYTHING A STAGE ACT?
Top 10 Reasons the Speech Matters: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/10/03/Top-Ten-reasons-2007-... -GP
Wed, 10/03/2012 - 6:55pm
#76
What a shock....
It is coming out now that ten days before Barry was making that inflammatory speech, there was a vote in the Senate on waiving the Stafford Act for New Orleans. Supposedly 87 Senators voted to waive it. Guess who they are reporting voted NOT to waive it for the Katrina victims? You guessed it....old Barry Obama himself. Ten days BEFORE he made this speech, he voted no. If this is really true, Barry sets a new standard for hypocrisy.
Thu, 10/04/2012 - 10:49pm
#77
Breitbart?
At it again. Maybe Shirley Sherrod will win enough money to put him out of business for his racist cut and paste job. Free speech - based on TRUTH ; not cut and paste for sensational journalism.
Thu, 10/04/2012 - 11:24pm
#78
DM/Breitbart/PIGFORD
Yes, that was out of context but Sherrod certainly did admit past racial bias on the recording. Maybe she wins, Maybe she loses, we shall see.
As far as the OBAMA Pigford scandal, no one will touch it, especially in an election year, seems everyone is afraid of being called a racist... many keep that racist finger loaded and ready to point.
Watch this video: http://www.nhteapartycoalition.org/tea/2011/11/20/obamas-pigford-scandal... any comments? -GP
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 6:11am
#79
GP
I know very few Americans who can say they have never had a racist thought. She (Sherrod)admitted hers - and helped many farmers of another race. They came to her defense. I am very grateful for my friends and church family, of many races, here in Fayette County that show me that all are not bitter and mean like you and a few others who post here.
Oh, and God bless 'Bill' and the Tea Party legislators who have accomplished so much since 2010! Reparations? It would have been wiser to give the 40 acres and a mule. The result of the children of the 'wanderers' white and black after the Civil War (sharecroppers) might not have been the uneducated underclass of our country.
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 1:04am
#80
No DM, it wasn't Breitbart
All one has to do is go out there and look for it. You brag all the time about all the "research" you do, so I won't bother posting a link for you. Tell you what though, I'll throw you a bone or two. The bill was called the U.S. Troop Readiness, Veterans' Care, Katrina Recovery, and Iraq Accountability Appropriations Act, 2007. Then click on the votes for the amendment voted on May 24, 2007. The list of votes will be there in black and white for you to see, pun intended.
The speech was given June 7th. His vote is on record regardless of what happened afterwards. You can't truthfully say he didn't vote against waiving Stafford prior to that speech. But, you probably will.
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 5:49am
#81
Moc?
What do you mean "It Wasn't Breitbart"?
http://thegrio.com/2012/03/05/shirely-sherrod-continues-lawsuit-after-br.... Please tell us who Sherrod is suing and why. Are you one of those Americans who claims 'no racism' - it's always the other guy? Conservative 'whites' are not racist? I agree, racism exists among most Americans, regardless of color or political leaning. That's why the world watches as we struggle with this 'national' issue. Thats why the world listened to the POTUS speech on race. Will you take the time to listen to the 2007 speech in it's entirety? Many people did, and Obama was still elected. The American people and the world were shocked at what was happening in New Orleans when the US had the coordination ability to get assistance to unfortunates in any location on the earth. Not helping the GOP to bring this up again. Not a proud moment in our history. To our credit, those New Orleans policemen who killed innocents on the bridge were brought to justice. Many American families throughout the US took in families who needed assistance. Many 'wealthy' Americans built homes, helped to re-establish neighborhoods; Habitat received worldwide recognition. Where 'government' failed, the spirit of the American people prevailed. New Orleans lives. People working together, free enterprise, - I would think that American conservatives would be proud of the continuing positives that come out of this tragedy. There are many compassionate conservatives. Not all are 'mean' or 'old'.
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 9:24am
#82
DM
Your "Breitbart" reply referencing Sherrod appeared under my post on the Stafford vote. I wasn't speaking of Sherrod, nor do I care.
Since you always miss the points and try to steer to other convenient story lines, I'll assist you as always. Everything that occurred in New Orleans is a well known story, the hurricane itself, the ignored warnings, the response, the Democratic governor who acknowledged her failures before and after the storm, Chocolate City, etc, etc. So in other words, Shirley Sherrod, shock at the events in New Orleans, people killed on a bridge, Habitat, free enterprise were not the discussion that you turn it to.
Did Barry vote against Stafford May 24? Yep. Did he give the speech June 7? Yep. The whole issue was the speech itself and the inflammatory rhetoric towards white people following that no vote. You refer to positives and compassion. How did that hateful talk contribute to that? He intended to incite and divide, much like you. That was and is the point.
It is telling that on one hand you write "What is interesting is that 'race' and sensitivity to it has become such a big issue since 2008." and "Only in America are the racial labels so pronounced.", yet you inject race into every subject and call those you argue with on here racist. You are one bitter old woman.
Last point, I realize there are compassionate conservatives and that not all are mean and old. That is the point of my name choice on here Captain Obvious.
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 11:15am
#83
MOC
He intended to incite and divide, much like you. That was and is the point.
Well, we both have then failed. Most residents in this country are not divided by race - but by ideologies. Some have taken the difficulty of some residents to give up some perceived privileges as a base for causing division. The division? White American male vs women, blacks, Hispanics, gays, lesbians, oh wait, according to the polls, the country is divided evenly regarding the presidential race. Must be some of all races supporting Obama and Romney. The division is not so much racial as it is ideology. Neither Obama nor Davids Mom has been successful in giving the haters a majority. That's good news to me!
I' m not angry or in a hurry. Just enjoying this beautiful day outside and distracted by a baby owl that's sitting on a bird house!
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 11:23am
#84
DM
So then, why do you constantly inject race into every subject?
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 2:04pm
#85
MOC
I JOINED THIS DISCUSSION TO DISCUSS RACE RELATIONS - THEREFORE THAT IS WHY I DISCUSS RACE IN SOME ISSUES. I'm sorry you didn't understand this. I've been doing this since 2005. . .and I will continue. You really don't have to participate at all - but I've learned a lot regarding the reason for some stands here in Fayette County. I've also learned that everything expressed here is not demonstrated in the streets. schools, or churches of Fayetteville or Peachtree City.
I can honestly say I celebrate the progress in race relations in Fayette County. It wasn't like this 20-30 years ago!
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 2:10pm
#86
DM & "20-30 years ago"
You weren't here then so how do you know? I moved here 26 yrs ago--I had black neighbors then and they're still here, in the same house!
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 2:47pm
#87
AHG
30 years ago I was 'here' in the Atlanta area and Fayette County five to six times a year on business. I spent many a summer in the area during the 50's. My son attended school here - and lived here DAILY and was protected by friends and relatives so that he didn't get into 'trouble' (not being familiar with the Jim Crow tradition). AHG - I have had 'white' neighbors all of my life - and my relatives here except for those who live in the Cascades have lived near or next door to white people for generations. It was far more common here in the south for whites and blacks to live next-door to one another than in the 40's and 50's in Los Angeles that had restrictive covenents written into real estate sales. I couldn't vote here until after 1964. In dialect: Talk wha ya know my bro.
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 6:19pm
#88
MOC and DM: It is about "Culture" not race
Everyone keeps bringing up race but like MOC I lived in mixed neighborhoods for ages. The problem is the "Ghetto" Culture that has taken over many in the "black" and "white" community. I would pick a lot of my old black neighbors over the some of the trash that has moved into Fayette County.
Fri, 10/05/2012 - 7:50pm
#89
rmoc
In some of the discussions that I have had with friends regarding the history of Fayetteville - this has certainly been their experience. In discussions on a board like this - it is easy for some to express distaste for a 'culture' by saying all 'blacks' or all 'whites'etc. . . when most people don't really mean that or demonstrate that in their daily interaction with their fellow citizens. Thanks rmoc.
Wed, 10/03/2012 - 3:28pm
#90
Obama Losing?
Polls/Smolls, what we have here is a Corrupt Crock of Crooked Polls, most are sampling Dems plus 8, which is BS. What we need is the truth! http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/02/hail-mary-losing-the-... -GP
“The people down in New Orleans they don’t care about as much!” Obama shouts in the video, which was shot in June of 2007 at Hampton University in Virginia. By contrast, survivors of Sept. 11 and Hurricane Andrew received generous amounts of aid, Obama explains. The reason? Unlike residents of majority-black New Orleans, the federal government considers those victims “part of the American family.”
http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/02/obama-speech-jeremiah-wright-new-orleans
The Great Uniter my big ole butt.