If there were any Journalist left in America this Election would be a "Slam-Dunk"

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Remember during the Bush Presidency the Body Count of the Soldiers that died everyday was splash across every TV screen?

Well here are some interesting stats for you:

From 2002 to 2008-Bush Presidency (7 years) 625 Brave American Soldiers died in Afghanistan

From 2009-2012-Obama Presidency (3 1/2 years) 1474 Brave American Soldiers died in Afghanistan

70% of Wounded occurred in the 7 years of Bush...

84% of Wounded occurred in the 3 1/2 years of Obama...

Why is the Media absent on this? Well besides the obvious bias that the so called "Main Stream" media clearly has
apparently the Soldiers just doesn't matter as much now since they cannot be used as pawns.

...and on the debt.

Under Obama the Fed’s holdings of U.S. debt have quintupled – increasing a whopping 452%.

On January 28th, 2009, the Fed owned $302 billion in U.S. Treasury Securities.
On April 25th, 2012, the date of the last report, the Fed owned $1.668 trillion.
By 2014 the Fed will own as much as $5 trillion worth of debt.

Why because China will not and cannot buy our debt any longer... Bing (Ghost Cities of China) and you will discover why. China is building
cities that no one will ever live in just to keep their people busy and hopefully keep them from rioting.

More stats on the Obama assault on the Economy.

Unemployed Americans
12.05 Million Jan 2008- TODAY- 12.50 Million UP 495,000

Unemployment Rate
7.8% Jan 08- TODAY- 8.1% UP 3.8%

Long Term Unemployment
2.7 million Jan 08-TODAY- 5 Million UP 87%

Middle Class Income
$59,962 Jan 08-TODAY- $51,002 DOWN $3,960

Gas Prices.
$1.85 Jan 08 -TODAY- $3.86 UP 107%

Americans in Poverty.
39.8 Million Jan 08 -TODAY- 46.2 Million UP6.4 Million

Food Stamps Recipients.
32 Million Jan 08 -TODAY- 47 Million UP 46%

Federal Debt.
$10.6 Trillion Jan 08 -TODAY- $16 Trillion UP 51%

US Competitiveness.
#1 Jan 08 -TODAY- #7 DOWN 6 Places

These are the realities of the Obama Administration and his ineptitude in handling our economy. The fact is 48-49% of Americans have no Federal Tax Liability. This Government
is making Americans a Dependent class where Government is the grantor of rights and the handler of our lives.

When did we become a Nation of dependents instead of independent people with the will to take on any task and accomplish great things?
Today the Progressive Party tells us only Government can do "big" things that you "didn't build that" Government did. Government tells us without them we
could not be fed, receive a education, become employed or retire.

November is not about the Men trying to persuade us to vote for them, it is however, about the path America and Americans choose to take.

We can either turn the clock back on the massive Government expansion or as one Candidate stated move "Forward" towards an even larger Government and more dependence.

Either way we are in for some tough economic times. Neither Party has the will to become the pariah that they would become to save America from the economic Armageddon that is coming thus we will continue on the path to, if not total economic destruction, at least times that might make the "Great" Depression seem like a speed bump.
The Fed has started QE3. What this means is the final nail is being driven.. it starts at $40 Billion but has no ceiling so they can digitize money until, well, until we run out of Terra-bytes.

Europe has already traveled this path and it seems inevitable we are to do so as well, after-all, we need to be fair and bring the World and us on the same level.

Equality, fairness, and Social Justice for all.

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To be fair Steve

You have to remember, for the majority of Bush's terms, the primary focus was on Iraq, not Afghanistan.

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Not the point...

...the point is where is the Media? You couldn't turn on the TV in 08 without getting today's body count... but now silence?

It is painfully obvious that the Soldiers where just pawns to be used for political purposes.

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SLindsey, is Mitt Romney part of that same conspiracy?

Is that why he didn’t mention the troops at the Republican National Convention? If Mitt gets elected, do you think they will move the war room to France for him? Ha! Ha!

Did you see this week when GOP members, in the US Senate, blocked legislation to establish a $1 billion jobs program putting veterans back to work? Nothing says, “We Honor Your Service,” like the Republicans do in Washington, DC, eh?

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Uhh did you notice that it violated paygo

and couldn't pass no matter what?

Did you notice how Democrats love using troops as pawns in the political arena?

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SLindsey, Paygo! Shmaygo!

SLindsey, Paygo! Shmaygo! They were in a rush to go on break so they could go home and suck up some more campaign donations from out of state pinstriped banksters, international gambling tycoons, and Texas oil boilers.

Did you notice how Mitt Romney tried to make political hay out of the attack on our consulate in Libya. Did your TeaParty send him a “Mission Accomplished” banner for his heroic achievement?

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Are you saying the Parties don't use current events...

... for a political benefit? Are you daft?

Did you notice how the Obama Administration totally screwed up the event so.... First it was a over a video, just kinda happened then oh it's terrorism hmmmmm...

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SLindsey, I didn’t say that.

SLindsey, I didn’t say that. You’re the one that singled out one party.

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Did you notice how Democrats love using troops as pawns in the political arena?

And it was the Republicans, in the US Senate, that blocked legislation to establish a $1 billion jobs program putting veterans back to work?

As I said before, nothing says, “We Honor Your Service,” like the Republicans do in Washington, DC.

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That's why the Military votes...

.... predominantly Republican Gort. I guess they believe the "R"s are more on their side then you guys.

A recent survey among Military personnel has shown that they are increasingly getting fed up with Politicians using them in speeches and events to get votes.

They are tired of being the pawns on the political chess board.

So just keep using them Gort.. You and your party never learn your lesson.

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SLindsey, if you scroll to

SLindsey, if you scroll to the top of the page, you will find it was you that used the death of our troops in Afghanistan to point the political finger.

Or can’t you even believe your own lying eyes?

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Reporting stats in now political well ok then gort...

That's logical.

Gort I do believe it was you that said Military benefits where hand-outs so.....

Additionally gort I also believe it was you that blasted Romeny for NOT mentioning the troops.. so exactly who is the worst offender here?

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SLindsey, if you were merely

SLindsey, if you were merely reporting statistics, why didn’t you mention 4486 troops that died in Iraq?

I was right; you can’t even believe your own lying eyes.

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Well then ...

... I guess you got me there Gort.. Yep failing to mention EVERY stat since the first Man killed another is somehow viewed as using the Troops.

Don't mention the Victory laps by the Democrats... oh no let;s not do that.

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Okay SLindsey, I won’t

Okay SLindsey, I won’t mention it if you don’t.

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Gort - Are

you referring to the Democrats or the Republicans in the first paragraph? If you are referring to the Democrats, you forgot the unions (public and industry), environmentalists, gay rights, and socialists. However, they also have their hands in the pockets of the groups you mentioned too.

BTW, that's why they are called Democrats. ;-)

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PTC_0, are you trying to

PTC_0, are you trying to argue for campaign reform?

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Gort - No

government reform.

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PTC_0, let me guess, 47%

PTC_0, let me guess, 47% smaller? 8 - )

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Gort - A republic

if you can keep it.

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Wait Gort, it was about a movie!

That was the big claim for a week until that lie fell apart. Gee, anniversary of 9/11 and it's all about some stupid movie I guess, not a planned terrorist attack that was obvious from the start except to this Administration's public BS that could care less about anything besides being re-elected. Lying constantly, throwing others under the bus because of a horrid lack of planning, lying more and more in the aftermath. Disgusting. Protest flash mobs always show up with guns and RPG's....right. According to some Libyan correspondents at CBS and CNN, there was NEVER a protest in the first place and instead a full-on attack from the start that this Administration lied completely about it.

I don't expect Obama or any Prez to be able to 100% prevent terrorist attacks on US soil here or abroad. I do expect a whole lot less of Obama, Jay Carney or clinton lying constantly over an event that everyone else knew was hardly a "protest" or "just a "coincidence" in regards to the anniversary of 9/11 in the killing of Americans. The pathetic retreat from free speech and blaming some loser's movie was even more pathetic when it had zero to do with a glaring lack of preparation to begin with. Instead of owning up to the terrorist attack by a bunch of trash, it was a week's worth of campaign BS of trying to "blame America" again. Let's excuse the human trash some more and blame it on a movie that has been on Youtube for several MONTHS without some outcry.

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Last Sunday....

Last Sunday Barry trotted out Susan Rice, UN Ambassador, to all the morning network shows to spout that ridiculous movie theory. She repeatedly stated that what happened in Egypt and Libya was "a direct result of a heinous and offensive video that was widely disseminated that the U.S. government had nothing to do with". Did Barry send her back out today to tell the truth? Nah, I didn't think so......

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Nuk_1, from what I read so

Nuk_1, from what I read so far, I think the attack on our consulate and the protest are two separate events that happened at about the same time. The attack on our consulate in Libya was pure premeditated murder. The protests were orchestrated events used to distract the public and the media away from general unrest in those countries.

IMHO, the only people having trouble understanding the explanations of the two events are the ones that want to convolute the two for political purposes.

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GOP and the election

The GOP will lose the 2012 election because of an inept Presidential candidate and because the GOP has been taken over by its most idiotic, extremist faction.

Romney may be trying hard but he cannot sell America on the idea that the GOP can govern. The base of the GOP has now become a combustible mix of anti-government zealots, weird libertarians, anti-abortion extremists, anti-immigration reform foes. NRA dupes, well-intentioned but naive tea party folks, and the same old Bush neo-con guys. It is an extremist party accepting in its midst the nut-wing that considers Social Security and Medicare to be socialism and those that think President Obama was not born in the United States.

Desperate in this election, the GOP has resorted to voter suppression which reminds Americans of the worst tactics used by Southern segregationists. Americans do not want to return to the terrible days when citizens were denied the right and opportunity to vote.

After the 2012 election the GOP will have an internal fight which will either result in the rejection of the idiotic wing of the party and return to responsible conservative leadership or a GOP of the weird and extremist. incapable and uninterested in governing

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Stopping dead people from voting is in fact "Voter Suppression"

So Lion you are correct... Not allowing the Dead to vote, is in fact, voter suppression.. So at least you got that one correct.

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I'm a victim of banking suppression!

The other day, I transferred a fairly decent amount of money from one account to another in person at the bank. These complete Jim Crow facist, totalitarian, Nazi-loving, jack-booted bunch of racists asked to see my ID. I can't believe how things are these days when a bank dares to double-check and make sure of who you are before they give away your money. Just crazy.

What is also INSANE is that I wrote a check the other day and they wanted ID for that too! What the hell? I even hear tell that if you are in need of renewing your driver's license these days, they want proof that you are indeed who you claim to be! Amazing! Need a passport because you want to leave? Damn if they don't want ID and even more than that before you get one.

If you're too damn stupid and lazy to not be able to get ID or can't find it because you're completely senile, I don't want you voting, period. That's not a poll tax, that is called citizenship.

The fact that to this day there are still a lot of jurisdictions that ban the sale of alcohol during voting hours on election day speaks volumes to the mentality of a certain segment of people and the candidates that want their votes.

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Nuk

You have an audience here - but I bet there are some Republicans who wish you'd just get quiet until after the election. I hope however you just keep talking.

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Lion - Question

Why does it seem that all leftists are delusional?

You see, I am neither a Democrat or a Republican and I just can't understand why anyone believes that Mr. Obama is actually going to win this race. He doesn't have enough money, he is outspending and has more money in his bank than Mr. Romney at the moment, but just like the country he running he is spending it faster than it's coming in. He can't win without the money Lion.

Also, you seem to ignore that fact that the only thing that Mr. Obama has done legislatively is immensely unpopular and passed Congress by bribes. The 2010 election was the immediately aftermath. What do you believe has changed? Do you think the mood of the country toward this administration of our government turned more favorable? I think not.

So, unless the Obama campaign can raise even more money and in much great quantities, spend it wisely without deficit and target a message other than his results, he should win. Otherwise, it appears to me that the Democrats have a good chance of losing both the Presidency and the Senate. IMHO

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It's Simply the same ASRC!

David Brokenrod and the rest of this Regimes Propagandists along with all of the Lame Street Media are all part of the same Anti-colonialist, Socialist, Redistributive Cabal!

Spewing Propaganda that would make Joseph Goebbels jealous!

Accept this fact and it all becomes very easy to understand. -GP

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CNN Hides Diary to help Obama!

This is a new low even for CNN!

Obama news media member Communist Network News hides Ambassador's diary for 6 days! http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/09/22/CNN-hid-Ambassador-di... -GP

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Univision does the job that our Media just won't so...

The following is a sample of the questions asked by Univision. Find me anywhere in our media that have asked the same... That is except Fox News to SOME extent.

1. Why wasn't your administration better prepared with more security at our embassies on September 11?

2. Do you have information indicating that it was Iran, or al Qaeda, who was behind organizing the protests?

3. At the beginning of your governing, you had control of both chambers of Congress, and yet you did not introduce immigration reform. And before I continue, I want for you to acknowledge that you did not keep your promise.

4. I don't want it to get lost in translation: You promised that, and a promise is a promise -- and with all due respect, you didn't keep that promise.

5. You have supported [Mexican] President Calderon's policy against drug trafficking. Do you think that after 65,000 deaths it's time to change the strategy? Can you consider the 65,000 a failure and the policy should change?

6.How many more people have to die?
Obama on "Fast & Furious": Holder has my "complete confidence"

7. Shouldn't Attorney General Eric Holder have known about that? And if he didn't, should you fire him?

8. So if you have nothing to hide, then why are you not releasing papers?

It is a shame that Mexican Media has to ask the questions that our own won't do.

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Fast and Furious

Holder is probably neck deep in Fast and Furious, it wouldn't surprise me if Obama wasn't involved also otherwise why or how would executive privilege apply? -GP

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Kudos to Univision and even CNN

Univision didn't have a problem at all with asking tough questions and being journalists instead of fawning cheerleaders.

CNN was the first news outlet besides web-only Drudge or FOX that started exposing just how many lies and total BS this Administration had claimed about the embassy attack and killing of Americans. It may have taken a few days, but at least the truth finally came out instead of the absolutely stupid lies from Obama, Jay Carney and Clinton for that matter. While this Administration was all-in on trying ot blame some ridiculously bad movie made by a guy Obama called "shady" and wanted to make the fall guy instead of facing the heat for rightfully falling down miserably on the job yet again because there's an election coming up and can't be seen as clueless on terrorism or Islamic extremism, some news outlets got this right a lot quicker than others.

"Protesters" with guns and RPG's? Seriously? I am glad that complete lie only lasted about a week until even the most ridiculous press secretary in history admitted finally that it was a "terrorist attack." Thanks Jay, no duh. Welcome to Planet Earth. Come talk to me when you have any semblance of integrity.

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NUK_1 - Don't

blame Jay, he merely takes his instructions from Axelrod. Though, you can blame him for working in this administration.

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Obama to Release more Terrorists

We must have more Ambassadors that need killing!

Outrageous American Apologist to free more Terrorists for Jihad!

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/09/22/Obama-to-Release-One-Third... GP

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Pakistani 100,000 Reward for death

Where is the media on this? http://www.theblaze.com/stories/i-am-a-muslim-first-then-a-government-re...

Where is the outrage over another country offering a bounty for the death of an American citizen?

Is Sharia coming to America? -GP

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Michele O in Jan 2013
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More Media Lies!

Main Street Media has Lost All Credibility as they continue to Spew Propaganda!

Completely in the tank for Obama!

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/09/23/Media-Put-18000-in-50... -GP

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Richter

is back as Georgia Patriot?

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Who is Richter?

Never heard of him.

Question Tonto707, do they let the Lone Ranger fly 747's?

Is this Richter a Liberty loving Constitutional Patriot that believes in small government, that all men are created equal and that our Rights come from God and not from Government? -GP

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To be even fairer

Communities have publicized the 'welcome home' of their heroes (alive or deceased) . . . and many local TV stations have carried the motorcades, etc. on local stations. There has been no hiding of the sadness that is caused by the casualties of war under this administration.

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Attended a parade in Tryone,GA

. . . .and those carrying Obama signs were applauded by American citizens who have not been blessed with a natural tan. This election is not just about race - as many of you have pointed out! Isn't that wonderful?

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DM - Glad

to read that you figured this out, I would think you would have come to this realization after the last election. No, DM this election is about ideas and philosophies. You are the one that constantly injects race.

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Your idea for disenfranchising a large segment of the American people, like your blindness to 'race' as a factor in this election is naive. After the election of President Obama, the first word out of Senator McConnell's mouth was making sure Obama was a one-term president. There was no mention from this GOP leader of working with the leadership in this country in correcting the failing economy, etc. And then came the 'birther' movement, and the Obama is Un-American rhetoric . (And your constant referral to Obama as a marxist/socialist) Please don't misunderstand my 'celebration' of race relations in Fayette County. I celebrate that I have witnessed the healing of a sickness in FAYETTE COUNTY of overt racism, Thirty years ago, this was a very different county. I celebrate the work of the leaders, educators and churches of Fayette County in making a change in human relations among American citizens. It is a change. As I learn the history of this county, there were many families in Fayette County who worked for generations for the fair treatment of all human beings. From many of the comments in some of the discussions in The Citizen, the sickness of racism still exists - but again, I celebrate the progress made in Fayette County, Georgia. I also celebrate the progress made in these United States. Your comprehension is limited if you still don't understand that I came to this discussion to discuss and to learn about race-relations in a small county in Georgia. I have learned a lot. Yes sir/madam - I still inject race into the discussion when I come across such light weights as yourself who live in never-never land - and see everyone else as part of the problem ( your perception of the demise of this country). You are the enemy within. , , and the more you share - the more many of us realize that you and your kind must be exposed and dealt with - with the TRUTH. NO ONE, including President Obama, saw his election as an end to a racist attitude in our beloved country - but all the world noted that the United States had made progress in demonstrating the words of The Constitution and working towards the dream of Martin Luther King.

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DM: You coveniently left out something
Davids mom wrote:

Your idea for disenfranchising a large segment of the American people, like your blindness to 'race' as a factor in this election is naive. After the election of President Obama, the first word out of Senator McConnell's mouth was making sure Obama was a one-term president. There was no mention from this GOP leader of working with the leadership in this country in correcting the failing economy, etc.

Before McConnell said squat, Barack Obama stated "we won, you lost, get over it."
You and many Dems seem to forget that to the point of either amnesia or delsuional thinking and simply blame the Repubs for the miserable failures of this administration, and especially your leaders Pelosi and Harry Reid who failed miserably in the House and Senate.

Did you fall alseep in 2010 and not notice the tremendous rebuke to what the Obama/Pelosi/Reid administration was doing? Did you not notice the historic landslide that happened in Congress? I guess not......it was those mean white people who suppressed the vote of the 13% I guess that made that happen.

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Wake up Nuk

http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/debt2.jpg

It's 2012. The truth is out. Please provide a credible link of Obama's statement (of the truth). If true - not very eloquent - I give you that. Not blaming Republicans for everything - but not giving them any credit for the beginning of the recovery. That's not a delusional action. . . .it's just dealing with the facts of the last 4 years. Nite.

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You were not a Mathematics teacher were you?

You couldn't have been because anyone that has seen the numbers would KNOW that we are not in a Recovery. 3 1/2 years later we are worse off then we were in 2008.

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Clinton had it right!/we didn't go over the cliff!

You'll see the charts. Definite economy improvement since 2008. ARITHMETIC. But we'll see what the debates garner. As the truth comes forth, the gap widens. Still too many days to call this election, but it's not a run away! The 2010 election brought new faces to Congress - and lowered the approval rating of this august body.

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LOL, DM!!

As long as you listen to what a lying adulterer says, it'll always be sunshine & roses!! Here's some ARITHMETIC for you; your grandkids can thank us for hostaging their future:

On the day President Bush took office, the national debt stood at $5.727 trillion. In September 2008, the latest number from the Treasury Department shows the national debt was at more than $9.849 trillion.

The number now is $16 Trillion. That's America’s current national debt, which adds up to around $50,000 for every man, woman, and child in this country.

I wonder what it would be if the nation didn't wake up in 2010 and stop this administration from burying us even farther; thank God people are waking up to the massive burden our Federal gov't has become!

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LOL - Ohio

Talk to those auto workers about the expenditure on their behalf. They're now paying income tax !

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Why, DM...

...you think burying your grandchildren's future in a hole is funny, but hey, it's your family. For mine, I want a strong, independent nation who is not endebted to anyone; until we rebuild the strength of character of the current hand-out, entitled generations, it will be a long, long road indeed. No, I'm not really happy with those UNIONS who were the beneficiaries of the bailouts; they're part of the problems, not the solution.

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KC - 40+ more days

And Romney is in Ohio trying to buck that 10 point lead that Obama has there. We'll see. Maybe some of those 'unionists' who are now working and paying income tax remember that Romney said he'd let the auto industry 'fail'.
The solution is to put food on the table for 100% of the American people - not just 53%. Even with today's polls, I still feel this will be a close election. . . .and not based on 'race'.

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40 more days....Thank God!

Some in Ohio may also realize that they are on the hook for the 29billion loss in the US's investment in GM alone too.

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Nuk

Watched the action in Greece today. SURELY THERE ARE LEADERS IN OUR COUNTRY WHO CAN SEEK SOLUTIONS that do not call for the type of cutting/austerity that has the Greek people in the streets. If more people get to work, pay into the government coffer to offset the debt, some of the problem could be handled. To hold back investments that mean more jobs, deter progress in order to regain power, is beginning to be seen as a deterrent to progress by those who have been hurt by this mess that started years ago. Elementary students solving a puzzle would take the time to see what pieces from past solutions would help to solve the puzzle today. What the American people don't want - is another war - and Romney's words seem to indicate that he sees war as a possible solution to some of our issues. This isn't gaining him any 'points'. Just sharing another point of view.

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Surely you are right, Shirley, I mean David's Mom

Yep, Greece has leaders who have not come forth yet and we have Obama. If more people get to work - as you stated, things might get better. Here in the good old US of A, the same thing applies. Doncha think, Mom?

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DM and voter suyppression

DM: Thank you for you for your thoughtful comments.

The GOP voter suppression effort is very sad.

The GOP dd not concern itself with any voter fraud when Reagan was elected to two terms. The GOP did not worry about voter fraud with George H.W. Bush was elected President. The GOP did not make an issue of voter fraud when George W. Bush was elected to two terms.

But when America elected its first African-American President then the GOP got worried about voter fraud.

As the GOP saw it becoming a minority party with the growth of the black and Hispanic voting blocs, Republicans legislators in several states voted to require voter picture IDs to suppress the minority vote and help ensure the continued dominance of the GOP predominately white voters.

The GOP today is a sad, ugly shadow of the GOP of Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, and the Bushs.

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Name one...Just one...

...actual proven case of voter suppression.

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That one was too easy S. Lindsey

2000 presidential election when the U.S. Supreme court stopped the vote count in FL allowing the winner of the popular vote to lose the election.

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No that one is for Jeff...

...this was Constitutional haven't you been reading what Jeff wrote? This not voter suppression. These fine folk voted. Still waiting though if you wish to join in where Voter ID laws has one proven case of voter suppression.

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In the "one is too many" category:

Madison voters turned away at polls for lacking photo ID
Judith Davidoff on Wednesday 02/22/2012 10:53 am

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"Melanie Sax and other poll workers recognized the longtime voter. They also found her name and address in the poll book. But she did not have a photo ID for Tuesday's primary so she could not vote."

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rolling stone: You left something out here

From that article:
"Curtin says she was aware of the new ID requirement, but neither she nor her husband, who was also hurt in the accident, felt up to making the trek to the Division of Motor Vehicles to get a state-issued photo ID. "

They knew the law and didn't care much about it and then whine about not being able to vote. DUH! Absolutely shocking news! Romney really nailed it with the entitlement/victim spiel.

I don't "feel up to" doing a lot of a things. I hope the media will be around so I can whine about the consequences of not "feeling up to it."

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NUK_1: nothing was left out

The voter was denied a vote due to the voter ID law. I agree that proper ID be required to register to vote, however voting is too important to be denied to a registered voter. If there is a question then a provisional ballot can be employed.

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rolling stone: I agree with that also

That's what provisional ballots are for, IMO.

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They were not denied...

..the right to vote. I am still waiting for a provable case of voter suppression.

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S. Lindsey

Oh, I get it now. The right to vote, which you deny actually exists, was not denied, it was actually still there/not there (a quantum state of voting?), it just could not be exercised because of a lack of a photo ID. Got it. It's a tough league you big boys play in.

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Stone.. Go ahead and show me...

...where you find the "Right" to vote.

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S. Lindsey: how about you show me

where I ever said there was a "right" to vote? That term was introduced in your entries, not mine.

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Uh... Just one post up there stone...
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Oh, I get it now. The right to vote, which you deny actually exists,

If I deny it to exist then logic follows you advocate for it's existence.. or did you mistype?

Bet you did a quick Google search and just learned after all these years you were wrong... Don't worry you are in good company.. Many believe the Constitution guarantees the "right" to vote..
There are a LOT of misconceptions about what's in or specifically not in the Constitution.

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S. Lindsey: my typing is accurate

If you deny something then it follows that I advocate for its existence?
I was replying to your term, using your term. Denial is your forte, logic obviously is not.

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Well Ok there stone..

...that's your story and you are sticking to it.. Nice come back though. Does that count as a "No you hit me first" moment?

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The question

The percentage of in- person voter fraud? Does it warrant the attempted suppression of those in these United States who don't have a government issued ID? There are more Dorothy Coopers in our country. But don't worry folks, there are those who are working hard to insure they will be able to vote in this election. I know you're happy about that.

http://www.nooga.com/156976/chattanooga-resident-dorothy-cooper-unaware-...

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Uh Dm read the WHOLE article please

"The show did not mention the denouement to Cooper's story, when she obtained a voter ID and was able to cast her ballot in the state's presidential primary last March."

When she presented the documents she obtained the FREE ID... You sort of need to present all the facts DM... She was not denied the right to vote.

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You're a little behind in your research. Most people who keep up with an issue such as Doroyhy Cooper are well aware that she votes legally today. There are groups that are making sure that the Ms Coopers of today will not be affected by this 'suppression' thingy. My mother voted legally in every election since the age of 21. As an older citizen, she had a California photo ID rather than a drivers license. Upon arriving in Georgia, the clerk asked to see her birth certificate. (She had her California ID, her passport, etc. ). We went to another county, and had no problem getting a Georgia photo ID. For some American citizens, there are individuals who appear to have their own rules rather than following 'state' rules. My mom was not lazy or irresponsible - she had a support system that could overcome 'hurdles'.

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No not behind... just completing yours DM

You see DM if you are going to present a "story" that was used as an HBO special you need to present the WHOLE story not just what the left leaning HBO presented.

She was NEVER denied the ability to vote she just had to present the right documents to get her ID.

So I am still waiting for you and gort to present one provable case of os suppression.

Here maybe this definition will help...

sup·pres·sion [ sə présh'n ]
forceful prevention: conscious and forceful action to put an end to something, destroy it, or prevent it from becoming known
state of constraint: the state of being forcefully restrained or held back
avoidance of thoughts and feelings: conscious avoidance or inhibition of memories, desires, or thoughts

Words have meaning DM.. You should know that.

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Voter Suppression?

I think I have you on this Lindsey.

Remember the two Black Panthers with nightsticks standing outside the polling spot in Philly? Now that's what I call voter suppression.... Chicago Style (or should I say Obama style?).

The corrupt Obama regime hope to bring Chicago style voting Nationwide, vote early, vote often, and if you are dead...vote anyway! -GP

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Who voted at this place?

Did you check the ethnicity of the majority of voters at this precinct? ( not the people who were entering the building for work). These two extremists were protecting ( in their minds) voters, not 'supressing their right to vote' . Everyone should vote if registered. 40+ days to go!

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DM, look at it like this

If two KKK members with Ax handles were standing out front of a polling place, would anyone black/brown/red be comfortable voting?

That's obviously racist and would suppress voting if you were the wrong color.

The Obama regimes dept of injustice saw nothing wrong here, just move along, what a joke.. -GP

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GP

One or two KKK members have showed their faces in front of many African Americans over the past 30-40 years - and we just moved along, peacefully. Are you really threatened by the number (2) of Black Panthers in front of a racially mixed building located in a minority area of Pennsylvania? Spin, spin , spin - but your spinning is not doing anything to hurt Obama at this juncture in history. There are those who are capable of discussing their viewpoint without the spin of imagined fear. Have a nice day.

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DM Spin??

How about this for spin: "These two extremists were protecting ( in their minds) voters, not 'supressing their right to vote'"

That ridiculous statement is a large pile of spinning horse hockey .

Got to go now, I need to wash between my toes after stepping in that. -GP

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I can smell that one from here...

... hate it when someone kicks over a pile of BS.

DM is just doing what she was bred to do.. protect "The Race" the New Black Panther Party represents Black Liberation Theology that Rev Wright preaches Dm is just doing what now comes natural.

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The majority of voters in that precinct were probably people of color. Sorry, but just like you may have no fear of the KKK, most people of color have no fear of the 'Panthers'. The Rev. Wright, the BLT stuff, etc., didn't help McCain, and at this point, 40+ days before the election, this isn't helping Romney. Use what intellect you have to discuss the economy, education, peaceful existence in the world. Americans are moving forward from the history of Jim Crow. You evidently know very little about the psyche of 'black' people (and today's American)! The constant attempt to paint Obama in a negative light, instead of focusing on what the change in administrations would do for the American people is backfiring. All are looking forward to the debates. Thanks SL.

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My parents were not breeders. You are truly a throw back to an uglier time. Thanks for revealing your true 'self'

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Gp - thanks!

Wash all you want, that won't do anything for the emptiness between your ears or the manufactured fear in your heart.
We've past the fear of extremist in our country who call themselves the 'new' Black Panthers or the 'revitalized 'KKK. Why can't you address the issues in this election year without bringing up the racist fears of yesteryear? I celebrate the progress that I have found in the 'south' and the nation. Racism exists in the hearts of some individuals, but to try to use yesterdays racist practices and fears to guide the votes of today's voters has failed. It isn't working, in fact it's hurting the message of those who want to replace Obama. Thanks GP.

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DM Election Issues?

Like I previously stated, Obama is the Great Divider, he is the one propagating fear with deceit.

I think this quote pretty much sums up what this election boils down to:
"An election between people who think there is only so much pie, and people who believe we're all bakers - Let's make some pie!" Glenn Beck -GP

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Race

A comment by Mytimite struck a chord. . and brought about much thought. I can't quote the comment - but the words said to me that there were those who were hesitant to communicate with me (or some black citizens) on certain issues because they may take their comments the wrong way. (They may consider the comments 'racist'.) (I appreciate the concern and understand the words) It brought back memories of getting ready to visit relatives in the south - and being TAUGHT how to act around 'white' people in the south. . .so that I wouldn't offend or anger them. Now remember, I was raised in an integrated neighborhood in Los Angeles with 'white' neighbors. In Los Angeles, I was taught to respect them just like all neighbors on our street - their color was not an issue. Our neighbors were 'colored', majority 'white', Japanese, Filipino. We all went to the same school (we walked together each day), the 'divider' was Sunday - for we all attended different churches. My first sojourn to the South was when I was 11 years old. My father sat me down and taught me how to act around southern white people. At first, I thought he was kidding - it sounded so ridiculous to me. But I listened. Subsequent visits and the admonitions of my southern cousins proved that my Daddy was right. In order to survive with some dignity in the south - there was a certain way that a person of color had to act around 'white' people. So my southern family survived - and fought during the Civil RIghts movement against the practice of Jim Crow. Maybe it is time for all Americans to learn how to act around their fellow Americans so as not to offend. The recent issue with Victoria Secret and it's Geisha Girl lingerie is an example.

Leonard Pitts wrote an interesting article in today's AJC (9/27). A reader had shared with him her disgust with the bumper sticker 2012 Don't Renig. His article is entitled Racism still exists in the background - or worse. One of his statements caught my eye:

Quote:

Some of us grapple with a sense of racial and cultural dislocation, the jolting sensation in a changing nation, that their prerogatives as white people, assumptions so ingrained as to have never previously required the slightest thought, are now in question. They want "their" country back.

I don't think my children were taught to 'walk softly around white people' - but my son, when attending Morehouse in 1981 was taught where, in the city and surrounding areas, he was protected from the assumed 'white preogative'. Maybe it's time for all Americans to be aware of one anothers culture/history - and taught, like 'some northern colored people were taught in the '50's, how to exist with one another peacefully IN THE OPEN - not in the background of some perceived or wished for' 'liberty and justice for all' statement that still needs a little work to become reality.

Thanks Mytimite for your concern. There is a distinct difference between disagreement regarding policies and 'racism'. You and others in this discussion are not 'racist'. Because of people like you and others in Fayette County, I'm enjoying the reality of progress.

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Make a pie?

We're not all bakers - but in order to have a great country that works well for all - we need to acknowledge that we all have something different to bring to the recipe for excellence. Quoting Glen Beck is not necessarily creditable. . . .but enlightening.

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DM, we Agree!
Davids mom wrote:

We're not all bakers - but in order to have a great country that works well for all - we need to acknowledge that we all have something different to bring to the recipe for excellence. Quoting Glen Beck is not necessarily creditable. . . .but enlightening.

All in this great country do have the ABILITY to create a recipe and bake their own pie, what I am opposed to is the ones who want to do nothing and then use the powers of government to EAT MY PIE!

DM, BTW, Opposing Tyranny/Socialism/Marxism/Fascism/Misdirected Redistribution IS NOT RACIST,.... I hate every iota of it no matter what the color! -GP

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Enjoy your pie. We hear your message loud and clear.

It just appears when SOME feel their 'white prerogatives' are threatened in their view, they resort to calling the threat socialism, marxism, whatever 'ism' they can think of other than racism.

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DM, as hard as it is for you to understand, this election is not about race, it is about ideas, for me it is about a small unobtrusive government adhering to the Constitution, not some huge government Socialist utopia..

I pray you find Peace, I really do. -GP

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Dmom, Republican Pie

Looking for a pie recipe? Try some Republican Pie.

Start with a few big tax breaks for the rich, stir in some deregulations until markets resemble a gambling casino, let it boil over until the economy comes crashing down like the fall of 2008, 1987, or even those good old days of 1929.

Smother it with some Romney “I like to fire people” sauce, sprinkle on the Ryan “Kill Medicare” flakes and you’re in for a Republican treat.

None for me thank you!

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None for me thank you!

Me either. I am on a strict diet of humble pie.

I believe that Republican pie is best prepared when it is half baked in an empty war head.

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Voter suppression SL

In the ruling in the case of The League of Women Voters of Florida et al. v. Kurt S. Browning etc. et al, a Federal judge in Florida concluded that provisions in the new law serve no other purpose than to discourage qualified citizens from registering to vote.

Michigan's voter suppression bill requires volunteers to attend state approved training sessions before they can register voters. The catch is that the bill makes no provisions for such sessions.

In Ohio the Republican-controlled legislature enacted legislation that prohibits early voting on the three days before an election. That was designed to discourage the tradition in black communities of busing worshippers from church to the polling place. U.S. District judge Peter C. Economus invaalidated the law and ruled the state ”fails to articulate a precise, compelling interest in establishing the 6 p.m. Friday deadline".

At least 16 states introduced bills to end election day and same-day voter registration, limit voter registration mobilization efforts, and reduce other registration opportunities. Florida, Illinois and Texas passed laws restricting voter registration drives, and Florida and Wisconsin passed laws making it more difficult for people who move to stay registered and vote.

Nine states introduced bills to reduce their early voting periods, and four tried to reduce absentee voting opportunities. Florida, Georgia, Ohio, Tennessee, and West Virginia succeeded in enacting bills reducing early voting.

A U.S. District Court three-judge panel blocked a Texas voter ID law signed by Gov. Rick Perry last May, finding that it “imposes strict, unforgiving burdens on the poor” and that “a disproportionately high percentage of African Americans and Hispanics in Texas live in poverty.” A different federal three-judge panel ruled the state’s gerrymandered redistricting law was also in violation of the Voting Rights Act.

In July, a state circuit court judge blocked a voter ID law, signed by Gov. Scott Walker (R). In his ruling, he noted the law addressed a problem that was “very limited, if indeed it exists” and would create a “needless and significant impairment of the right to vote.”

Pennsylvania House Majority Leader Mike Turzai (R) openly admitted that the Republicans purpose last month was to suppress likely Democratic voters when he claimed that Voter ID “is gonna allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania.”

It's a long running GOP strategy.

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