Obama must straighten out his mess

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Obama in 2009 went to Cairo with a speech betraying America as dismissive of the Muslim religion and faith. Additionally, he heralds them as being honorable in religion and faith in every regard and his view of this is based upon being raised in a Muslim country. The reality is that the people there viewed his words as a sign of weakness and a crack in America’s shield of strength. In addition we are providing 2 billion tax payer money to a country who decries democracy and the American way of life: not to mention their attack on Christians. Our presidents first and foremost job is to protect all Americans which include Americans interest abroad. Not to apologize to Islamic terrorist while leaving Americans defenseless. It is my view that it’s imperative that Obama boards’ Air Force One and travels to Egypt to stop the madness that he started in 2009.

An attack on our American Embassy was nothing less than an act of war which requires NO apology but full retaliation.

Obama 2009 Cairo Speech http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/04/us/politics/04obama.text.html?pagewant...

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Ambassador killed embassy's burned

And all any one is talking about on the citizen are craft beers???

Amazing

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Obama Built That

Like who in the hell didn't see this coming after Obama armed the Islamofacist Muslim Brotherhood overturning leaders that aided in stabilizing the peace for many years? And what did Obama do? Armed these evil pieces of human debris who had Al Qaida fighting side by side with them.

AND this administration left our diplomats and Marines virtually unarmed in this hotbed of evil hatred relying on a a so-called security force of Libyans. The blood of these Americans is on Obama and Hillary's hands. Shameless.

Glove off here....AND ONCE AGAIN ON THE HANDS OF YOUR FATHER JEFF AND YOURSELF.

OBAMA BUILT THIS......... Peaceful religion my arse.....

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Git Real

What is your take on the movie that precipitated this response? If anyone has blood on their hands it is the maniacs that produced, distributed and promoted that movie.
The attackers were thugs and criminals period, and had nothing to do with the religion of Islam. They used the unrest created by the movie to make their move.

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The film had nothing to do with it. Do you really think these maniacs need an excuse for their hatred? This is what they do, and Obama was forewarned and did absolutely nothing.

America 'was warned of embassy attack but did nothing'

According to senior diplomatic sources, the US State Department had credible information 48 hours before mobs charged the consulate in Benghazi, and the embassy in Cairo, that American missions may be targeted, but no warnings were given for diplomats to go on high alert and "lockdown", under which movement is severely restricted.

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A Story About An American Farting In A Mosque

A story about an American farting in a mosque would have precipitated that response. Film or not these events would have happened. The only reason our consulates are allowed to remain in many of these countries now is because the Islamofacists benefit from the billions of dollars Owebama is pouring into these feces hole nations. The ONLY thing that has kept these inbred woman mutilating and raping demons in check has been the threat of brute force held over the heads. Give them a little so-called freedom and weaken your stance toward their violent propensities and THIS is what the result is.

The only diplomacy these Islamofacist Zombies understand is that of brute force. The only way to control these hate filled parasites is to treat them like you would if playing the game of Whack-A-Mole. Every time they raise their evil violent-minded heads up out of their holes you pound them in the ground with big hammer.

So that is what I think of some movie about Islam. If these were potentially a people of peace a poorly made movie would not be a factor such as it is with these evil hatemongers.

And for you to say

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"had nothing to do with the religion of Islam"

is about as stupid as Hillary and the community organizer in chief not allowing our Marines and Seals in these consulates the ammunition and fire power to defend our embassy, staff, flag, and themselves.

These people harbor religious hate for us and will stop at nothing to destroy Israel and the US. Appeasers such as you I suppose never will 'git it' until some jihad Hussein is chasing you around your rose bushes trying to whack your head off with a dull sword. And that my friend is their goal.

In July of 2010 the University of Maryland commissioned Zogby to poll the people of Egypt. Here are a few of their findings:
•85% of Egyptians hold an unfavorable attitude toward the U.S.
•87% of Egyptians have no confidence in the U.S.
•92% of Egyptians believe the U.S. is one of two nations that is the greatest threat to them (the other nation the Egyptian people hate is Israel)
•52% of Egyptians hold an unfavorable opinion of American people
•65% of Egyptians believe that Islamic clergy must play a greater role in the Egyptian political system
•79% percent of Egyptians believe that it would be positive if Iran is able to acquire nuclear weapons

A rabid bulldog cannot be reasoned with.......

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The only way to control these hate filled parasites is to treat them like you would if playing the game of Whack-A-Mole.

Not a good game if American sons and daughters are used as 'moles'.

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A rabid bulldog cannot be reasoned with.

I agree

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Indeed DM
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Not a good game if American sons and daughters are used as 'moles'.

Indeed I agree. And what Obama Built is indeed causing our sons and daughters to be used as 'moles'. Time to turn the game around.

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History - The Crusades

This is what many of the Islamic religion are taught about Christians.

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such as it is with these evil hatemongers.

This has to stop. Let's deal with the 'actions' of the perpetrators of hate. Christians have burned 'holy books', killed innocents, etc. - but there are some who realize those actions do not represent our entire American community. We are the professors of freedom of religion - not producers of actions of 'hate'.

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DM

I enjoy reading your perspective ( not taking a position yea or nae on your viewpoint) but often you offer a quote without identifying the source. How can your quote have any validity without naming the originator?

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The quote above was from 'Git Real's' post. Sorry I didn't make that clear. )History/Crusades' My post.

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I have been asked to pass on the following message that I received by text:

To Git Real: Why don't you try, for a moment, to get real if you want to theatrically put the deaths of four Americans on Obama's hands, and take a cheap "gloves off" and dunce cap on swipe at Jimmy Carter. Let's see principle in your belief. Tell the blogosphere how Ronand Reagan hung 299 servicemen out to dry in 1983. Since you want to go back and revisit history, explain to everyone how Ronald Reagan showed weakness, thereby encouraging the murder of 298 brave souls in Beruit. Git, you and your fellow Republicans (including Republicans pretending to be Independents) are not coping with the fact you've tied your political hopes to Mitt "I'm no Reagan Republican" Romney. The party of self proclaimed patriotism is flailing. It is a sight to see.

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Nice Try Sock Puppet

That was funny as hell. It makes you look like you copied and pasted my comment and sent it directly to DNC central or the Carter Center so you could have reply with some sort of response.

Well the ONLY reason I invoke Carter's name is because he inserts himself in the middle of each Islamofacist crisis thinking he still a world leader when in fact he merely the appeaser-in-chief of the insignificat Carter Center. Your mouthpiece is the pot calling the kettle black with his But, but, but, but Reagan BS. Funny HE injects Reagan when Reagan hasn't uttered a word in many years regarding this subject yet Carter throws himself into the mix at every opportunity. This from a man who betrayed our former Ally in Iran and handed it over to Ayotollah and the current Iranian Evil Empire. How is that working for us??? Sheesh....

And with that said Obama is mirroring Carter's lack of leadership and ineptness by turning not only one but several countries over to the same Islamofacist Muslim dictators who are hell bent on our destruction and that of our only true ally in the Middle East. All this as we actively watch, along side Al Qaida, Obama trying to topple another somewhat secular dictator so ANOTHER Islamofacist Iranian terrorist dictator can be installed. Hey.... Tell your buttwipe buddy nice try but no cigar.

As for you..... Didn't I request the other day that respond IN YOUR OWN WORDS? Even David's Mom formulates her own arguements. But if you choose to post via proxy I would say it speaks volumes about your cognitive skills.

So Rolling Stone. Since you are just a "simple" messenger boy why don't you ask your political hack why our president slept through the night as his appointed and rewarded ambassador was being strangled, beaten and dragged through the streets AFTER having a 48 hour notice of this event transpiring??? Is Owebama's re-election more important than our national security that rarely pays mind to his national security briefings and is absent from most of them according to the White House Calendar? I think not... Shameless....

Tell your troll he can bite me. I have abstained for sometime not commenting somehow hoping this Community Organizer Inhabitant of the White House might just pull a rabbit out of the hat. No more....

The silent majority is starting to speak and it is freaking you guys out because you know deep down you have no solutions or fortitude to lead us out the abyss the republicrats and demopubs have dug us into.

Well... I will enjoy sparring with ya for another day or two before I have to intensly hit the road and EARN revenues so they can be confiscated and distributed to support folks like your clown friend who more than likely.... exists off the use of other's people's money.

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Well Git Real

After running your diatribe through the "Huff and Puff" and "Delusional" filters there is not enough remaining that is worth commenting on.

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Rolling Stone: If anyone has blood on their hands it is the maniacs that produced, distributed and promoted that movie.

So we should censure films that any group may find offensive, and let's apologize to the murderers of our citizens because it was our fault that we didn't prevent the murder?

Honestly I find your quote totally objectionable - it denigrates the ideals instituted in our Bill of Rights and tramples justice by swapping the definitions of perpetrators and victims. I am truly offended... not to the point that I am compelled to kill you, but I suppose if I did you wouldn't blame me as you would be the first to admit it was your own fault.

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What have I stepped in?

So on one hand freedom of speech is totally sacrosanct and on the other I am being criticized for using it. Nowhere did I say that the film should be censured or that freedom of speech should be curtailed. How different is this film from yelling "fire" in a crowded theater? There are consequences from our actions, pure and simple and taking responsibility for the results of our actions is what I am talking about. I thought this was a bedrock conservative value.

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Responsibility for actions?
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If anyone has blood on their hands it is the maniacs that produced, distributed and promoted that movie.

Your statement absolves the murders from the result of their actions and places it on the movie makers. That's insanity. The movie makers made a movie. The murderers murdered. There is a huge difference.

I don't criticize your right to speech and your right to speech obviously does not prevent you from saying idiotic things, nor should it.

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Leaps o' logic
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Your statement absolves the murders from the result of their actions and places it on the movie makers.

I am accusing the movie makers of depraved indifference. My statement absolves no one from anything.

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Depraved indifference? No

Depraved indifference? No you didn't - read your quote - they had "blood on their hands" - that's not depraved indifference. Any saying "If anyone has blood on their hands, it's the [movie makers]", assigns the movie makers more responsibility for the murders than the murderers. Maybe you didn't mean what you wrote.

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Freedom of Speech

I did not see a bunch or Christians going after the Producers of South Park when they made fun of Jesus..Radical Islam has been violent since the dark ages.....I have rights in the US as do the producers of this film even if it was pretty bad. Islamic Radicals are animals!!! and their goal is to kill all who do not submit to Islam..The Taliban is a great example of this..

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Apologist for the Islamo Facist

The problem with our left bent neighbors is much like how they treat their little rug rats, Criminals and others it not their fault. It is Society, or the Rich, or a Government that doesn't do enough or give enough things.

It is always someone else's fault. Supposedly a Youtube Video sparked this outrage? I would bet anything you want that 90% of these terrorist wannabes have never seen it and it was not just a coincidence it started on 9/11.

People like Gort, Sniffle, JeffC, DM and others have told us over and over it us, that we caused this... Sorry I disagree. These people live in a World where their Religion runs their entire life. A land where they pervert Islam to mean something not quiet what it seems. A Religion that teaches the believers they have to convert non-believers by force, fines or death.

The followers that go berserk and want to kill anyone who THEY feel "Hurt their Feelings" by insulting (as they see it) their Prophet Mohammad.

You can't "win their hearts and minds" it won't work and never will. They are raised and controlled by the Mullah's to be the Radical Islamo Fascist we see burning buildings and beheading Americans. We can't stop them. We can't influence them. They hate us fundamentally for everything we are.

They hate our women for parading around uncovered tempting men..
They hate our women for daring to speak out against a man.
They hate our women for pretending to be equal to men...
They hate our women for wishing to be educated..

They hate our Freedom of choice of Religion or the lack there of...
They hate our Freedom of choice of entertainment..
They hate our Freedom of Choice of Friends.. Israel.

You cannot negotiate with these people.
You cannot have a dialog with these people.
You cannot live with these people.

As I see it we have three choices.

1. Submit-Convert to Islam try to negotiate a modern version of the faith and hope we get to see State approved Movies sometime in the future and State approved travel will someday be allowed.

2. Isolate-Close our borders and not allow any Muslim in the Country pull all assets back and allow the Islamo Fascist to take the rest of Europe.

3. Fight-Take the fight to them on their soil...Not necessarily by force of arms but if they strike out at us and our interest we hit back twice as hard then back off. Teach them if you hurt us we will utterly destroy you.

This is the only thing they understand. This piling cash on them, bowing to them, apologizing to them has failed and will continue to do so. This Administration has failed to understand that basic fact and as such once again that failure by an Administration has caused the Middle East to erupt.
The First time caused a Hostage Crisis. The Second time caused an attack on our soil. What does this Third time entail I don't know, but I do know it's not over....Not over by a long shot.

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S. Lindsey wrote:

The problem with our left bent neighbors is much like how they treat their little rug rats, Criminals and others it not their fault. It is Society, or the Rich, or a Government that doesn't do enough or give enough things.

It is always someone else's fault. Supposedly a Youtube Video sparked this outrage? I would bet anything you want that 90% of these terrorist wannabes have never seen it and it was not just a coincidence it started on 9/11.

That's very true but some how it's "our" fault for allowing some doofus to make a cheap and incredibly nonsensical movie that dares to cast aspersions on Muhammad.
Yeah, nothing to do with some protesters showing up with guns and RPG's or also attacking a supposedly unknown safe house a mile away at the exact same time. Or 9/11. No, none of that matters...our fault for offending the tender sensibilities of others with the IQ of a Dorito. No correlation at all here, move along.

I hope the embassy staff responsible for the first communication apologizing are already fired. Let them also find their own way back to America and maybe realize that this isn't a video game and it's the real world.

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SL - War of Ideas

You are correct and spot on in most of your commentary here concern the leftists apologists. I would only add that the Europeans have allowed the immigration of Muslims into their societies, some countries more than others. You can see when you travel there a move toward Muslim dominated sections of entire cities. In Munich for example just off Karlstrasse there is a neighborhood that is almost entirely Turkish Muslim. For the most part, it feels like a Middle Eastern city, women in Burqas, some not, all shops in Arabic, westerns unwelcome for the most part. Juxtaposed among all this, there are gambling casinos, liquor stores and other sinful endeavors for those so inclined to "enjoy". Women go on their way oblivious to their surroundings, pushing their little baby carriages, while their "protectors" come an go from these establishments. So, why did these people come to Europe? Why do they allow their religious beliefs to be "soiled" by western culture within their own neighborhoods? I say it's the same reason that our forefathers fled a repressive Europe in the later part of the 17th Century, 18th Century and 19th Century. A yearning to be free to worship and work to better themselves without a repressive government telling them how to live.

Given this, we are limited only by our imagination on how to fight such an enemy with a war of ideas. I maintain that the vast majority of Muslims are not those that run airplanes into buildings. I believe that a religion has been hijacked by a small percentage of believers. When you talk about a small percentage of a billion you are talking about a large number of people. I believe that those that choose to integrate into Western Culture can be the greatest ally in our ideological war. Will people have to die in this war? Unquestionably, but we should also hold out the hope of freedom and a better life for millions of Muslims worldwide. Freedom and capitalism are our biggest weapons against the minority of Muslims that choose to attempt to destroy us.

In the end, it will be our political leadership that crafts a defense of our country. Unfortunately for us, at this time in history we are not represented well. It is the American people that need to wake up to the realities of the world we live in and accept the inevitable change of a Islamic culture. Just as we have done throughout our history, the American tapestry will change, it will be woven together with the common tread of individual freedom and a love of country that allows it.

It is a war of ideas.

One of the first facts in this war is to recognize that there are 300 million people living in poverty in the Middle East, most of them young people. This is a problem that can be solved by promoting individual freedom and free market capitalism. If we can do this, we will minimize the need for people to flee their countries for a better life elsewhere. We will now, thanks to our current naive administration, have to overthrow extremist states to do this. We should get started now because the road will be a very long one.

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GOVERNMENT SOLUTION?

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Given this, we are limited only by our imagination on how to fight such an enemy with a war of ideas. I maintain that the vast majority of Muslims are not those that run airplanes into buildings. I believe that a religion has been hijacked by a small percentage of believers. When you talk about a small percentage of a billion you are talking about a large number of people. I believe that those that choose to integrate into Western Culture can be the greatest ally in our ideological war. Will people have to die in this war? Unquestionably, but we should also hold out the hope of freedom and a better life for millions of Muslims worldwide. Freedom and capitalism are our biggest weapons against the minority of Muslims that choose to attempt to destroy us.

PTCO'S 'IDEA' Is not in anyway in alignment with the THEY HATE-LET'S GET RID OF THEM solution offered by SL and seconded by NUK. PTCO like so many of today's modern haters of the 'left', cannot even see anyway to agree with the ideas of someone that they have determined to be an 'enemy'. Until we recognize the need for 'growth' of the youth in other nations to overcome their own extremists - as we here in the US have done, we will not assist them by promoting HATE. PTCO - you can't have it both ways. Because I agree with something you say - does not mean that I think you are 'on my side'. This is the problem with today's 'thinkers'. They label, and then cannot THINK for themselves, PTCO, I am not a 'hater' - and I don't think you are either - but grow up; listen to other than the solution to ALL PROBLEMS IS free market capitalism. It has worked well for us. It works well for those who are able to sustain it. There was a part of this country, not so very long ago, that did not prepare for free market capitalism based on individual freedom - and they were slow to recover economically. One shining example of democracy is that this country has people from all over our planet with divergent ideas who have learned to work peacefully with one another and respect one another. It is reflected in our daily lives, our government, our places of education, and our places of individual worship. When there are people who refuse to work with those who have different ideas - and want to promote hate for them and their beliefs - which you do not - then our way of life, our institutions, our future is in danger. The most dangerous enemy that we have is those who have placed 'the government' as our enemy in their speeches and expressions - without realizing that our government is OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE. VOTE!! DON'T LET THE IDEOLOGUES AND CORPORATIONS BUY THE UNITED STATES. Who has made a pledge to one individual in this country regarding 'taxes' instead of following their oath of office to work for the American people? Just asking.

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People like Gort, Sniffle, JeffC, DM and others have told us over and over it us, that we caused this

Really?

I think that those who want to cause division between Arab American citizens and all other American citizens are being successful when ideas are expressed by saying They hate - referring to Muslims. The stupid film, the anticipated reaction; (from not only poorly educated and emotional Muslims – but also emotional and reactionary Americans) is causing chaos around the world among a FEW Muslims. Islam is a world religion – and the fastest growing religion in the United States. The way to destroy the United States is to divide its citizens and have them fight one another. There is not an outside force that can conquer us. The Arab-American AND MANY LIBYANS have voiced their support for the US and its involvement in their fight for freedom from the rule of dictators. But some are paying more attention to the terrorists/thugs in the streets. Everyone has expressed horror at the deaths of our Ambassador and the heroic Seals. Someone – be it Al Qaeda, Quran burners, radical Muslims, radical Christians, etc. is using the weakness in our societies to divide Americans. We appear to be easily led - note; (attacking Iraq – rather than the homeland of the terrorists of 9/11 who were from Saudi Arabia; or the source of AL Qaeda’s training, Afghanistan) Let’s let the investigation continue into this tragedy. No one is blaming the citizens of the United States for what happened in Libya. No one is blaming such stellar intellects like Nuk and Lindsey. Thank heavens – they do not have the power to ACT FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. PTCO has a more reasoned expression to a realistic approach/reaction – even though PTCO agrees with their (Nuk and Lindsey) ‘s assessment of this administration. No matter our ideology, we should never let anyone divide the American people!
We are/were admired throughout the world for the steps we took as victors after WWII – helping to build free societies in Europe and Asia. In this economy, where we have little to offer at this time – we do have our humanitarian strength. I don’t think that an administration headed by Romney would agree to leave a portion of the world where we were involved in it’s devastation to rebuild on its own. Our strength is not just for us alone – as Christians that is not what we are taught by our teacher, Jesus.
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DM - look

In the mirror and you see one who divides us and threatens our freedoms.

The battle for human freedom will continue against those that socialize every aspect of our lives through the force of government. You are one of the proponents of government solutions, solutions which only serve to enslave us to the state. You are part of the problem, whether you admit it to yourself or not.

World War II was fought against the very ideas that you constantly promote on these pages, Statism.

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I am accusing the movie makers of depraved indifference.

So I guess you support Section 125 of the Sudanese Criminal Act. You remember.......name a teddy bear Mohammad and get 40 lashes and or die.

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Long answer: You have demonstrated what I consider a key issue with Conservative arguments: referencing an unrelated and quite often obscure example and make an imagined connection to the original statement.

Short answer: No.

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Rolling - So

what are the demands of the countries that sponsor mobs in the streets?

Do you know?

Today, Hezbollah's leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah called for the American government to pass a law to forbid the blasphemy of the Prophet. Tens of thousands amassed in Beirut to hear his words. He advocated that demonstrations should continue, and called for a week of protests - not only against American embassies, but also to press Muslim governments to express their own anger to the US. Meanwhile, riots broke out in Afghanistan, Philippines and Pakistan.

So, in your opinion given these demands should we simply cave and pass a law? That's what they want Rolling Stone, should we appease them? After all it's only one law, lives can be saved, right? Isn't it the "crowded theater" argument? Shouldn't we limit our free speech to save lives?

Thoughts?

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Let me begin by thanking you for your dignified manner.

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So, in your opinion given these demands should we simply cave and pass a law? That's what they want Rolling Stone, should we appease them?

No we should not appease them, or pass a law because they want one. We should however realize and deal with their sensitivity to their beliefs that they are practicing in their own countries. It is the "crowded theater" argument, and the "cross burning" argument. Obviously, in this instance, free speech is not without costs. I am appealing for consciousness and responsible behavior, the real common sense, not a law. There is a phrase that applies to this situation: "You cannot be so right that you can do something wrong and still be right".

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Afraid that just won't do it for these folks Rolling.

They won't stop until they enslave us, we can be as sensitive as we possibly can, they will not stop until you, your spouse and your children accept the Prophet and His law.

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As I Expected

You got nuttin'. I understand and accept that. It is difficult for some to escape the clutches of their masters control to pursue and to free the mind after being indoctrinated by the CNN, MSNBC and their master the DNC. Independent thought, reasoning and common sense comes hard to some who have been imprisoned mentally for so long. Meet you at the polls to vote on November 7th and I'll treat you to a Starbucks..... ;)

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Don't tell me rolling stone

Don't tell me rolling stone is old enough to vote - I can't imagine that degree of naivete would make it to the 18th birthday.

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rolling stone - "worth commenting on"

In other words, you just got your head handed to you. Don't try to debate with the big boys when you have no valid arguments.

If I remember correctly Carter was ahead in the polls at this point in his reelection bid and we were hearing the exact same rhetoric from the "mush" media. Perhaps the American people and the silent majority have reawakened - one can only hope.

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Don't try to debate with the big boys when you have no valid arguments.

I call them like I see them. This is just a blog for goodness sake.

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Major Mike was right

Carter was leading Reagan at this time in 1980 :

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/07/10/summer_of_1980_poll_flashba...

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To Git Real from Kevin King

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Git Real. This is Kevin King. You sound absolutely unhinged. Our President can not turn "several countries over to the same Islamofacist Muslim dictators. " Another nation-building deficit hawk. These nations are not our property to turn over to anyone. Oh the arrogance to think we call the shots in all of these nations. It is easy to find stories and pictures of Libyans mourning the death of our staff. It is also easy to ignore their good will in order to inflame tensions and keep a constant drumbeat for war. It is especially easy when one has no fear of fighting the battles they wish waged. America has a choice in November. The newly "severely conservative" Mitt Romney; or The President of these United States. I eagerly await your reaction to that decision. Judging by your ranting, you see the writing on the wall. Cheers

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Kevin King?

What's shakin, Jaggoff? Looks like your boy Barry has his knickers in a knot and is going to get booted out of office in November.

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Kevin.... Respectfully....

You brought nothing to this arguement. Am I unhinged??? Dude don't mistake righteous anger for being unhinged. I have been in a mindset for sometime that I would not get in the middle of all these spats that the facts would speak for themselves. Well the facts have been covered up and this man you support, I am now convinced has no desire what-so-ever to preserve this great republic but rather to conquer it.

I am extremely angry when I hear that our embassy in Libya and Egypt were unarmed to the effect that they couldn not hold off these al qaida backed muslim brotherhood terrorists. From the inside of the Libyan embassy one of the staff blogged that in a few hours he might not be alive and that the security forces assigned by the muslim brotherhood you lefties were in effect taking picture of the compound in a very creepy manner obvious enough for this young man to be concerned enough to state that he might not be alive in a few hours. Wow did he hit it on the head. So as soon the al qaida backed brotherhood was seen coming up the street these complicit turncoats exited the scene leaving our embassy unguarded and virtually unarmed.

Along with the above mentioned staffer we lost a politically appointed mouthpiece ambassador and TWO FORMER SEALS. If there is such a thing as 'former Seals'. Had this compound been armed properly these two guys could have scattered those pigs all over the streets as they breached those walls buying our guys more time to hunker down and await help from forces that could have been there in a very short time to secure that compound. But nooooooooo.... Hillary and Obama left these compounds defensless trusting the brudderhood that fought side by side with al qaida terrorist combatants to guard it. Shameless. And Obama went to bed and slept through it all. Shameless and treasonous.

Then to find out that your obama and his shrill hillary had 48 hours notice of this impending attack and did NOTHING but sit on their hands up until the point putting their own politically rewarded appointments at risk causing their deaths. And then the official statments are those of an apologetic nature and then you guys blame some third rate film on You Tube as the culprit for inciting this? Bull crap. All this as we find out this week that Egyptian officials were in 'intelligence meetings' with iran. Dear God above...what does it take for you guys to see how corrupt and inept obama and shillary are? Amazing. And you say **I** am unhinged??? Screw you.

What a week. As the Israelis scramble to deal with the credible threats of annihilation by Iran your boy HUSSEIN obama turns down a request to meet with the leader of the only true ally we have in that region. Turned him down but in the same day finding time to meet with Letterman, and other celebrity performers. Freaking shameless man. Of all the people on the left I know I always figured you would be the first to come to your senses regarding the lack of leadership and responsibility oozing out of this administration.

Unhinged??? If that is your term for righteous anger then unhinged I am.

Cheers

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Yes Git. Absolutely unhinged. Though our rules have changed a bit, I won't be screwing you. I will gladly sit back and watch you do a Romney: that's where you say the same thing over and over and over, without first hand experience and in spite of facts.....and then find yourself losing another election. Take Mitt's lead and blame the media. Can't be based on your shortcomings. Peace

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Wow....

Gee.... I guess it must be difficult for you to dispute the facts of the assault on America. Ought to be interesting to see who put that film out...not that it matters. The assaults were heading our way regardless.

You say that about Romney and we've listened to Obama parrot the same ole lines for years and the same ole blame? I DO expect better from you. I can go in detail but.... the facts matter not to ya.

Oh well.... I'm starting to accept that fact from you side.

Sigh......

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Git Real from Kevin, re: Wow......

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Git, let's talk facts.1) Every wartime President has lost patriots abroad. You choose to attack only one. 2) embassies are not armories. You might talk to anyone with a clue to discern we can no more build fortresses abroad without host nation approval than they can build here. Think Git. 3) Romney sounded a lot like you two days ago. Then he heard a huge backlash. From ambassadors in the field, conservatives, everyone but the Hannity Palin Bolton Rove intellectuals. Now, Mr. "I'm no Reagan Republican" doesn't sound like you, Git. But it's too late. The off kilter hand was played. Our President has more victories against terror networks than you wish he did. But facts don't bow to your political desires. The Liberal governor of Massechusettes will not save your political dreams. Should have chosen Huntsman, but like you, Git, they've turned into the "screw you" party. As you struggle to figure out what freedom you've lost, hope the anger doesn't consume you.

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Can't Wait....

To pass off the "unhinged" ball to you on Nov 7th.

Enjoy the meltdown around you as Al Qaida and the rest of the Islamofacists make a mockery of our diplomacy, policy and as they throw this nation into a fearful and cowering state. So much for Obama's claim that his presidency would halt mooslim hostilities. Oh well..... Sucks to be you guys right now.

It is not so much the freedoms that I have lost that concerns me at the moment. It will be the freedoms we all will lose if your community organizer gets re-elected. I fear those assaults more than I fear Al Qaida coupled with the your savior's conquering of the great Republic. Hugo Chavez is going to be so proud......

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Git, do you really

believe that this is Kevin King? Maybe I don't know Kevin as good as you do but I can't see it. "Rolling Rock" as a surrogate? Hey Kevin never needed one of those--ain't his style. I don't think things are boring enough in Enid for him to do this.

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Yeah...It is KK

Oh yeah... tis he. Guy has to somewhat lay low.... from what I understand and am not certain of, a crazy on here pulled a Muddle on him. Which I find reprehensible in both cases...... hence the 'lay low stance'.

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Git & KK

Well, I wasn't here for the Muddle incident but I never saw anything that KK posted that his employer should be excited about--politically biased-yep, but no crime there. Furthermore, as my Eastern nC Brother, I tolerated his political views because I know what kind of human being he is. Besides that, any guy who goes home to NC and brings me back a BBQ Sandwich, delivered to my house--can do no wrong!

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AtHomeGym from Kevin

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"Gym, I'm the same Carolina boy that visited your house. Don't lurk much, but the call for a holy war is astounding. I trust that America's greatness depends not on the person occupying the White House. Cheers!"

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Kevin King--from what I remember, around the same time the

vulture was after Muddle she went after Kev also. Think he had a few talking sessions with his people and everything was okay----at least he didn't lose his job as Muddle did----hope that vulture is choking on her own bile. Kev, if you are lurking--you are missed. Will give you a call in a few days to see how you are doing. Hope you and your boys are doing great.

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Git Real---glad to have you back

I miss a bunch of the old characters. Like Basmati and Progressive Agressive. Hope you are well.

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Thanks Cogie....

My time here will prolly be somewhat short as Kevin King flies me out to the farm next week where I get to enjoy the people and the culture that is the true backbone and foundation of this nation. A week or so of blood and sweat and grand sense accomplishment in being productive in the bread basket and I'll mount back up on two wheels and head out across Western OK and into the panhandle of Texas and wherever else the roads might lead winding up in Texas where I get to be productive with my other career. A grand life it is. Beats the hell out being a glorified bus driver.....

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Interesting (Git Real)

the more this Fox News junky spews his 'stuff', the higher go Obama's ratings! Welcome back - and keep it up!! LOL

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Ummmm...

I always imagined you more intelligent in thought and reason whereas all you are is and eloquent writer spewing misinformation, distortions and bigotry wrapped in a pretense of you being some sweet lil ole lady.

Quick... MSNBC and Chris Matthews have a breaking bulletin from the DNC they need to make you aware of.

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Hey Git, you old Fox News junky...

DM claims that the more "stuff" you spew, the higher go Barry's ratings. Now, in your opinion, is she saying that Cal's website has a national following, enough so that polls are impacted? Or is she saying that she has gotten her hands on some sort of reputable Fayette County polling data that she would be willing to share with us? Or, do you think the old bat is feeling the pressure and just throwing cow-patties up against the wall seeing what will stick?

DM doesn't like it when you git after Hack or Barry. What is it she loves saying again? Oh yeah, LOL!!!!

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That movie...

...was really, really confusing and hard to keep up with...took a couple of scenes before I figured out WHO was playing Mohammad...! Agreed, that this was a set-up, since the movie has been 'out' for months. Al Queda understands that it doesn't take much to get their Middle Eastern bros up in arms, since they have absolutely no concept of freedom or free speech; it's as foreign as a daily shower to them...

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Rolling Stone- Who decides our rights?

Even though I don't think that this movie is the real reason for this violence I have to say that like it or not that movie maker has a right to make a movie. That is the American way. It is called free speech. If we allow others to dictate our rights through fear then we really have no freedom except what others allow us to have.

My disgust with the violence that cost American lives stems from reports of Marines with no ammo and trusting "locals" for protection. And while I blame the Obama administration for this I don't claim for a minute that Romney would have done it any differently. A real leader would notify each country that we have an embassy in that we will provide our own security with heavily armed Marines that are allowed to respond to attacks with whatever force is necessary to protect our own. If any country has a problem with this we withdraw all American personnel and foreign aid along with them!!

I'm tired of trying to appease everyone at the expense of American lives. Maybe it is better to be feared than liked. Right now I think the US is neither.

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I have to say that like it or not that movie maker has a right to make a movie. That is the American way. It is called free speech

I have not said one thing against free speech. Freedom of speech does not automatically include freedom from the consequences. We do have precedents when it comes to limiting speech, such as yelling "fire" in a crowed theater or burning crosses in someone's yard.

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I have not said one thing against free speech. Freedom of speech does not automatically include freedom from the consequences. We do have precedents when it comes to limiting speech, such as yelling "fire" in a crowed theater or burning crosses in someone's yard.

Those are laws that WE the American people decided on for ourselves. I disagree with letting others decide for us through intimidation. Had this movie been something negative about Christianity no one would argue that it was freedom of speech.

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You are arguing with yourself.

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You are arguing with yourself.

Apparently I am.

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They have pills for that.

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They have pills for that.

Can I borrow a couple? LOL

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"Obama Built That"---- very

"Obama Built That"---- very true and very predictable. Why in the world, after witnessing the violent takeover of Libya and Egypt, did we not think they would turn on us ?

I am astonished at two things (1) That our embassies were not sufficiently guarded and that (2) Americans are not in an uproar over what has happened.

Did you read the full report on how our Libyan Ambassador died? It is horrific.

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Horrific

Libyans took him to the hospital - so that his body would not be mutilated by the thugs in the street. We have American thugs who have done horrific things in our streets - but they did not represent an entire nation. Keep rattling the sabres - innocents will be killed, and you'll sit in your easy chair and turn the channel. Facts to be ascertained: Why not better security for our citizens in these countries? What was known before time: (Remember Pearl Harbor - someone knew the attack was coming - but not the 'right' people? What do you see as a consequence of 'full retaliation'?

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Nice try DM

David's mom, how can you honestly draw a parallel between the actions of street thugs in the US and a rocket launched at an embassy, killing an ambassador?

Steve

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Thugs

My definition: Any human who robs, steal, kills innocents. What do you call those who killed our Ambassador - patriots? Sir/madam - there are 'thugs' here in our country with the skill to do the same to us. What do you call the guys who implemented 9/11? Patriots? Well, I call them thugs.

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Thugs? DM

"My definition: Any human who robs, steal(sic), kills innocents."

I think you have just defined politicians DM.

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Thugs, Terrorists. Tomayto, Tomahto.

DM calls them thugs because Obama and the rest of the bedwetters say not to use the word 'terrorists', especially when referring to Mooslims.

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Allright SL, here you go....

We give $1.3 to $2 billion in military aid to Egypt.......every year.

In addition to that, Obama has thrown his support behind a $4.8 billion loan being negotiated between Egypt and the IMF (International Monetary Fund). He sent a delegation just last week to work out the details of the debt assistance.

One week prior to the attack on Sept 11th, Obama pledged to forgive $1 billion in Egyptian debt. Egypt's current debt to the U.S. is $3 billion.

Meanwhile, Egyptian protesters stormed our Embassy and breached the walls. Smart money says they weren't rushing in to make any payments.....

Then, true to form, ole Barry goes on an interview without his trusty teleprompter and proclaims "I don't think we would consider them an ally." This causes the State Department to clarify (correct) his remarks by stating for the record "Egypt is considered a major non-NATO ally." As lion posited here a day or so ago, yes, that is very presidential of him.

So Barry, if they are not an ally, why the military aid every year, why allow them to accrue debt, and why forgive any the debt?

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Libya-Why is the govt. and the media

not talking about this? I posted this link on here on 9/11, it was published on the 10th. All of this blew up on 9/11 and 9/12. Rioting in the streets of Yemen, too, yet hardly reported.

Am I the only one to see a link between these events? Payback? I think Obama way underestimated the fallout from getting rid of a top terrorist leader. He wanted to use the timing of it to look like the freekin' hero he thinks he is so his polls would go up.

Why, with the 9/11 anniversary, this drone strike and the Arab so-called spring all happening, would he not have ordered beefed up security all over the Middle East?

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/09/10/yemen-officials-report-al-qaeda-...

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. . and why the coordinated release of that disgusting video in the Arab world? Other Al Queda leaders have been killed - and there was not this reaction in the streets of the Arab world. What was different this time? The release of that video. IMO

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DM: Coordinated release of WHAT?

The movie has hardly been released anywhere. There is a brief clip of it on YouTube, a website where anyone can post videos. Where the hell are you getting some kind of "coordinated release" or any of these other nutty conspiracy theories from?

It's rather obvious that most of the angry idiots over in the Mideast haven't even seen the brief clip from the film to begin with. As ignorant and neanderthal as they are, all it takes is someone else telling them whatever and they mindlessly believe it and use it as an excuse for violence being the dregs of humanity that they are already.

FYI, YouTube(owned by censorship-friendly Google) blocked Egyptian IP's from seeing the video the day after since it's very obvious that some people are way too primitive to handle the real world and you can also see why they have been ruled by ruthless dictatorships for a very long time.

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Mideast idiots?
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The movie has hardly been released anywhere. There is a brief clip of it on YouTube, a website where anyone can post videos. Where the hell are you getting some kind of "coordinated release" or any of these other nutty conspiracy theories from?

Many here are well traveled - and realize that in urban areas of Arab countries - MANY have access to Youtube through their smart phones, etc. These people are not all ignorant or neanderthal. I'm sure by now you know that this video was available all over the Arab world. Nuk - I thought you were a bit more cosmopolitan in your thinking. I am old enough to have witnessed the power of group hysteria in our beloved country. Americans are not ignorant or 'neanderthal' - but prone to human emotions which lead to dangerous behavior. (Ever witness a little league game where there are 'overzealous/ignorant' parents?; or a celebration of a sports event win that gets out of hand?; or opposition to some students attending a neighborhood school?; or a family who is considered 'different' moving into a house in a neighborhood?) I have witnessed such events here in the US - and it was not pretty - and in some cases, people lost their lives. Not all of our citizens participate in such events - and not all Muslims are participating in the unrest in the Muslim world. Yes - I do feel this was a coordinated, planned effort. I hope we find out by whom. The burned books didn't get the effect that was wanted in 2009. Hmmmmm.

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DM: Yeah, they are highly ignorant and primitive

Little League parents and weird neighbors are attacking embassies and killing people? Really?

I am talking about the attackers of our embassies and the mobs of ignorant street trash that are very easily swayed by anything and were the "front" for the murdering of Americans.

No, I am NOT talking about every Muslim or the religion in and of itself.

Yes, Americans/Christians/Whoever can do dumb things. I can't recall lately a massive uprising and "death contracts" over Danish cartoons, Rushdie's book, South Park creators, Family Guy creator, a Quran book burning, or a terrible movie. This doesn't happen in the civilized world. It happens in cesspools of ignorance and violent trash that are just looking for any excuse to destroy and kill. Those conditions exist in abundance in the 3rd World toilet called the Middle East and North Africa.

It's not the USA's job to "understand" or "appease" the kind of mentality that exists in some dark corners of the world. I'm not ready to see our Constitution and our freedoms that were gained by blood let go of because because some trash overseas has a problem with it. Getting out of these pits of hell and letting them kill each other without our funding seems a better course to me. Let them slaughter each other because one group only believes 98% of what another group does and their sects are slightly different. Hurray! When they try to "export" their BS elsewhere, snuff them out by blowing them back to the Stone Age...oh wait, they already ARE in the Stone Age! Maybe just nuke them off the planet and start over. Neutron bombs anyone?

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No, I am NOT talking about every Muslim or the religion in and of itself.

Really?

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I'm not ready to see our Constitution and our freedoms that were gained by blood let go of because because some trash overseas has a problem with it. Getting out of these pits of hell and letting them kill each other without our funding seems a better course to me. Let them slaughter each other because one group only believes 98% of what another group does and their sects are slightly different. Hurray! When they try to "export" their BS elsewhere, snuff them out by blowing them back to the Stone Age...oh wait, they already ARE in the Stone Age! Maybe just nuke them off the planet and start over. Neutron bombs anyone?

Thanks.

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You don't like craft BEERS?

Are we taking up arms right here in PTC to stop the madness?

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SL: Yes, we're talking about beer

Not a damn thing here posted is going to matter one whit or change one person's mind about the tragic attack and killing of our embassy staff and continued uprising at our embassies. What? Do you think Obama or anyone else is going to read The Citizen and suddenly decide "oh, hell, we should have done THIS or we need to bomb THAT?" It's people venting their outrage and others looking for excuses because they could care less about anything else besides their candidate getting elected in November.

Sorry, but life goes on every day and I went to work the day of, the day after, and will keep going to work and living the life. No different than 9/11 to me. If you throw your hands up in the air over the inhumanity and senselessness of it all, all you have done is let the bad guys win, much like the US has done since 9/11 with multiple Patriot Acts and serious violations of international law and our own Constitution. Do you really think that everyone here at THe citizen blogs venting over what just happened changes the world? No, it doesn't.

Sounds like a good time to grab a craft beer to me. I vented my outrage at not only the killings but also the apologists. Am I supposed to do that 24/7 here or do I have your permission to pursue my life and not be consumed over events that I have no control over, no matter how much they piss me off? I work, pay taxes,support those I consider worthy with my money, and vote my principles at the ballot box. Screeching non-stop here ain't going to change anything.

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Here Here

I'll drink a pint to that.

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US Rep. Westmoreland

is a member of the House Select Committee on Intelligence. The chairman of the committee, Mike Rogers, has said on CNN we need to demand more clarity on US policy in the Middle East from "the administration". He said we need to beef up security at our embassies, also. Such profound statements.

I called Westmoreland's office in Newnan, asked what the Congressman is doing regarding this now. the response from his male staff, and I quote..."What would you like him to do?"

Cong. Westmoreland's #770-683-2033 or 202-225-5901

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Exactly

And Lynn Wastemoreland will win by a wide margin. He is as empty minded as the Poser POTUS he campaigns against.

Don't bother Lynn.... He has interns to chase around the office....

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Feckless politicians

One of my personal favorites, Mr Saxby

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Yep......

I'll second that one.

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MLC & Westmoreland

So what was your answer to the staffer?

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AHG-my answer

was, "I am not calling to to tell him what I want him to do. I am calling to find out what he IS doing, as he represents me."

The response was, "I do not speak for Rep. Westmoreland, I cannot tell you what he is doing."

Gym, there are times in life when I just say to myself WTF. This was one of them. After I asked him how much he gets paid to answer the phone and talk to people like this and he responded he would not tell me how much he makes, I ended the conversation.

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MLC, Westmoreland and the POTUS

I hope Westmoreland pays more attn when he sits on the HPSCI than POTUS does to his daily Intel Briefings (called the PDB). He's missed about 80% of them since entering office and even ignored yesterday's after the attacks in Libya & Egypt (no time--had to get ready to head to Las Vegas for a Fund raiser!----Now that's what I call real prioritization!

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What was your response?

A legitimate question, seeing as they probably assumed you were a constituent of his. :)

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Hey Spy

In your illustrious career, do you answer others with a question when they ask you a question? Go smoke some more weed and try to be more witty next time.:)

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But I bet

you feel better after you share your 'screeching'

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I work, pay taxes,support those I consider worthy with my money, and vote my principles at the ballot box. Screeching non-stop here ain't going to change anything.

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I like craft beer. If I start talking about how we're being sold out by a bunch of Marxist's I'll drink wayyy to much of it.

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An attack on our American Embassy was nothing less than an act of war which requires NO apology but full retaliation;

Full retaliation: War? Against whom? The people who VOTED for their leader - after years of a dictatorship? There are citizens in Egypt, Libya, and Yemen who are supporting the US - but are disgusted with the disgusting portrayal of their religion. Full retaliation is death to Arabs and Jews in the middle east. Do we want to be seen as the cause of that? No one in the Arab world thinks that Obama is weak - and the majority of Americans do not feel he is weak. IMO, trying to use this as a political ploy is backfiring. . .and will not help either political party.

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Really????

Perhaps you are right DM. Therefore I nominate you as the next ambassador to Libya. Might I suggest some block parties, trinkets for the chilren's, and some apologies for some third rate movie as a start? Oh.... and as they are chasing Davy around outside the compound with a dull sword fear not. These are merely loving practitioners of a peaceful and GREAT religion. They mean us Westerners no harm.....