No GOD, or Jerusalem for Democrats

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"Democrats have released their party platform that focuses on improving the economic situation for middle-class Americans, and also contains language endorsing same-sex marriage and abortion rights that directly contrasts with the Republican platform adopted last week. In a break from past conventions, the platform does not include the word "God" or label Jerusalem as the capital of Israel -- two more issues that differ from Romney and Republicans."

"It's going to be up to you. You'll make the choice," Obama told the Norfolk State University crowd on Tuesday in framing the election as a decision between starkly different visions for the country's direction."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/04/politics/democratic-convention-wrap/index....

How does taking out the word God and Jerusalem have anything to do with improving the economy? Dem's are so outside the reality of who the middle-class America truly is, they can't even give away tickets for Obama's speech! http://tucker.patch.com/articles/democrats-giving-away-tickets-to-obamas....
Appalling

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Hi everyone

I have not blogged in such a long time. I thought I would take a stab at this again, as this is such a huge political year. Israel is very much a concern for me. The Democratic platform will soon fade, as Obama/Biden will have to speak on accomplishments. They have none. Fact: Jerusalem is the capitol of Israel. Israel is a great ally to the United States. So, why the snuff?

Obama is catering to the atheists and continuing attempts in weakening our loyalty to Israel. Read the reports out there about Iran's nuclear weapons. The Obama to Putin "I'll Surrender America " open mic foopaa http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/03/26/Obama-to-Putin-Ill-Surrend... should be questioned until answered. As far as this administration and improving the economy, I personally believe Obama & his administration really don't care.

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The Government is the ONLY thing we all belong to....

....according to a new DNC ad for the convention..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gLa9Te8Blw

Just like the life of Julia, where Government is the daddy, these nutjobs really believe Government is and should be not only the parent but really your pastor, mentor and Consular, as well.

You want to know why those here advocate for the Government so much... they believe.

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Islamists To Open DNC with Prayer...

"Islamists To Open DNC With Prayer For Sharia To Replace US Constitution"

"When the Democrat National Convention/”hate-America” festival gets started, it will begin with a “Jummah” or Muslim prayer group. There will be about 20,000 people gathered for a celebration of the Islamists’ plans to eventually overthrow our government and replace our Constitutional government with a Sharia-controlled theocracy. This begs the question: who will be there and what do they represent?"

http://www.westernjournalism.com/islamists-to-open-dnc-with-prayer-for-s...

So what did they replace God with.... Apparently Allah.

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Allah

Please read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah

This is showing the ignorance of some Christians, Jews, and Muslims. There are different sects within these three major religions who have a different interpretation of the ONE GOD. Hate America? Regardless of ideologies, many see a group of Americans at both conventions who have been given equal opportunity in this great land of ours - and are exercising their right as citizens. Why the 'hate'? What do you fear?

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No fear Dm just facts...

Imam Siraj Wahhaj led the Jumah prayer for an estimated 20,000 Muslims for the start of the DNC convention... Now normally the Jumah prayer is a call to for all the faithful to gather and celebrate their faith and congregation... But when led by a man who is a Radical Islamist that gathering takes on a whole new meaning.

"Siraj Wahhaj was born as Jeffrey Kearse on March 11, 1950 in Brooklyn, New York, where he was raised in the Baptist faith. He studied biology education at Wilfrid Laurier University in Ontario, Canada.

Wahhaj developed an interest in Islam shortly after the 1968 assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr., which prompted him to go "looking for more militancy." He found that militancy in the black separatist movement and became involved with the Nation of Islam (NOI) and its leader, Louis Farrakhan, under whose mentorship Wahhaj converted to Islam in 1969. Wahhaj was also influenced by such major NOI figures as Elijah Muhammed, Warith Deen Muhammed, and Malcolm X. Under the sway of such individuals, Wahhaj in the early 1970s became a Nation of Islam minister and began promoting a separatist doctrine which held that “white people are devils.” (“I preached it. I taught it,” he now acknowledges.) But before long, Wahhaj became cognizant of NOI's differences from mainstream Islam, left the organization, and pursued a career as a traditional Sunni Muslim cleric." a leader in Wahhabism or Militant Islamic thought.

"Wahhaj has revisited this theme Islamic dominion over the United States many times over the years. For example, he has said:

“Islam is better than democracy. Allah will cause his deen [Islam as a complete way of life], Islam, to prevail over every kind of system, and you know what? It will happen.”[2] (In a related assertion, Wahhaj has called the Islamic way of life a preferable alternative to the “garbage can” of American culture.)
“In time, democracy will crumble, and there will be nothing, and the only thing that will remain will be Islam.”
“Wherever you came from, you came to America. And you came for one reason—for one reason only—to establish Allah’s deen [Islam as a complete way of life], as a servant of Allah.”

This is who the Democrats have embraced.. Fear? No DM not fear just eyes wide open.

You see DM it is not "Allah" whom we "fear" it is those that will kill anyone and everyone based on a perversion of a Religion in "Allah's" name.

http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/382

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I understand!! And you're preaching to the choir. I lived through the period when a group of religious radicals wanted to take over our country and instill their belief system to support their way of thinking. They carried white crosses and dressed in interesting outfits. They wanted Americans for Americans (people of a certain color). Now what happened is that the LAW under our Constitution and the leadership of our elected officials countered this radical group when they saw what their goals were doing to our country. This radical group was stopped - under the law of the US - and their goals were not realized. The same will happen here with this SMALL group of radicals (much smaller than the KKK). Their goals will not be realized because we have The Constitution and elected leaders - and a military (national guard) that will not let this happen. I witnessed this happen in our country - have faith this small group of militants will go the same way as the KKK. God bless America.

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The KKK were DEMOCRATS

History Of The Democrats And The KKK.....(Why the Democrats started the KKK)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2309727/posts

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More proof Democrats are the party of racism, division, and hate

'Vote Black' buttons at democrat convention hall

Liberals boo putting God back into the Democrat platform

The embarrassing reversal was compounded by chaos and uncertainty on the convention floor. Three times Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, the convention chairman, called for a voice vote on the changes and each time the yes and no votes seemed to balance each other out. On the third attempt, Villaraigosa ruled the amendments were approved — triggering boos from many in the audience.

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The original targets of the Ku Klux Klan were Republicans, both black and white, according to a new television program and book, which describe how the Democrats started the KKK and for decades harassed the GOP with lynchings and threats.

The Republicans (the party of Lincoln who 'freed the slaves' ) agreed with the abolitionists and assisted the slaves to leave the slave system of the south - the system supported by the Dixie-Crats (Democrats of the southern states). Look it up ! Yup - those darn Dixiecrats (Democrats) actually lynched some of my relatives (who were Republicans). That's the truth . The political labels don't tell the entire 'historical story. But nice try. However, if you attend a college class and you're asked to write a factual essay, you better do additional research than what is found in this paper. You're right, Dixiecrats Democrats started the KKK . During my lifetime, southern Republicans seemed to support their goals . Thank heavens, that has changed. Right?

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The KKK Were Democrats

The same party that just yesterday voted down including God and Jeruselem in the Democrat Agenda. Yes, it was clearly voted down by the voice vote, but the minions of King Obama don't listen to the people, so they over ruled their vote. That is what tyrants like Obama do. They don't listen to the people - they rule over them.

The democrat party is the party of Jim Crow, the KKK, and a host of other racist organizations.

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Can we leave the Hate Groups out of this dialogue?

Yes, you are historically correct about the orginal Southern Democrats...right into the 1950s and 1960s but out of respect for the diversity of Fayette County, can we leave out such references.

These hate groups are still out there and we should not be bringing them into our political discussions in Today's America.

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Hey Larry

The democrat party is made up of some of the most vile, hateful, raicist, crulest, liars that have ever walked the face of the earth. They are on full display at the freaking freakshow going on right now known as the democrat convention.

First, they trotted out one of the worst presidents ever to attempt to lead the country, followed by a tribute to a drunk, womanizing liar that left a woman to die while he figured out how to save his own political career. The next night, right after they booed God and one of our closest allies,they brought out a trollup that had enough money to attend one of the most prestigious colleges in the country, but expects taxpayers to foot the bill for her insatiable sexual appetite. And finially, they trotted out the impeached former womanizing president that lost is liscense to practice law because he tried to prevent a woman from having her day in court.

And just recently, there was a democrat delegate on the floor that said that she wanted to kill Mitt Romney. Since she was a 'minority' democrat, no one said boo and she will walk.

Tonight we had the buffoon Biden claiming that Obama saved GM. Didn't they tell Joe yet? GM is back on life support and Obama lost all of our hard earned tax dollars that he gave to his union cronies. (illegally, I might add)

Now Obama is regurgitating the same mindless, empty rhetoric that he spouted off in 2008 without any concrete ideas except to mortgage our chilren's and grandchildren's future off to the Chinese while the mindless libs lap it up. He's promising to reduce the deficit again, which means that he will triple it if he gets elected again. Barrack Hussein Obama hates America and wants to destroy it.

So take your cndescending, pompous attitude and shove it where the sun doesn't shine, ok Larry?

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Hey Grizz

Condescending?
What are you talking about!.
I'm not talking politics, and not being condescending but I was asking to stop referencing hate groups that others might be sensitive to and have no place in today's conversations.

Did I ever say who I supported for President?

Accept my apologies for asking to stop referencing hate groups.

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Why?

Help us out...Why does the mere mention of "hate" groups mean whomever mentioned them are therefore advocating for them?

That just doesn't make sense Larry. Granted you may be extra sensitive for "family" reasons but just by speaking of them how does that translate to support?

Larry a reasonable and active discussion is always necessary for a clear understanding of the foibles and follies of the past. Someone way more intelligent then I once said.. "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" to "remember" one must also "speak" of it.

Larry I am not going to lie to you... I am not sorry for causing you discomfort by responding and "mentioning" the KKK or Nazi's in general. We have become the Nation of the Offended and it seems being discomforted has become a National past time and one must make others "feel" good or else.

But that being said I do understand your passion on this and actually like it. Don't take it personally to me debates/discussions are contact sports.. One I love to play sometimes I can get a little rough.

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Why?

Unfortunately, history can and many times does repeat itself. In difficult economic times, hate flourishes. We see a rise of hate groups throughout Europe using Nazi symbolism to organize political parties with a clear agenda to ban immigrants or terrorize them.

In Germany, brown shirt youth are goose stepping late a night with torches, in Greece gangs are beating up Turkish and Indian shop keepers and threathening to kill them if they do not pack up and leave. In France, which has the largest remaining Jewish population in Europe of only 400,000, 25% would leave if they could do to the rise of anti-Jewish feelings, harrassment and actual killings.

The US is seeing a rise in hate groups plus some of it is very organized like the new immigration laws in certain states. Right or wrong, illegals have entered the US for decades and done jobs that Americans don't want. Politicans are pushing and passing these laws to keep voters happy but they are coddling the culture of hatred because people are financially struggling and now we want to stop the flow of illegals because we believe they are taking away jobs we need. The same is true for the recent push back on EEOC laws that have been in place for decades. These new laws and push backs are not going to solve the problem.

My concerns and why I do not like to discuss hate groups is based upon this reality of history repeating itself. The solutions to our economic problems is not beating up immigrants, building fences, repealing EEOC laws, its more complex than that and requires a nation to rally and pull together to solve the problem.

We all know that we have been exporting our manufacturing jobs overseas for nearly 50 years. We wanted cheaper goods and services and for decades we allowed a wide range of industries to disappear from the American landscape. Textiles, apparel, furniture, steel, auto,etc. After each recession, our recovery time has been slower because we were slowly hollowing out our economy and in the last 20 years they were propped up by dot.com and housing bubbles.

We did this to ourselves and our elected officials were more than happy to allow it because they will do what ever we want to get re-elected. That's all Washington, state and local politicians care about. The minute they arrive in office, they are working on re-election and finding money to pay for those re-election campaigns so they sell their souls to the lobbies. Maybe, there is 1 leader out of 100 politicans, most will lie and tell you whatever you want to hear to get re-elected. Pot stirrers, rable rousers, do and say whatever is popular, including "hate" to get elected. You don't have to look very far to see that!

Sorry to take your question and make it such a long answer.....

We, as Americans should not be turning on each other. Bottom line we are a culture of diversity whether some of us like it or not. We are a nation of immigrants, always have been and always will be. Turning on each other is not the answer.

Don't know the answer, especially in this environment where politics has turned into a "scorched earth" game. Civility, compromise, common sense among our elected officials and politicans running for office appear to be out the door. We just witnessed that behavior in our recent little election in Fayette county which is no different than anywhere else in the US. No leadership!

Sorry for being so long winded!

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Larry good answer and correct

but just remember we will never eliminate hate. That is an unfortunate fact of life.

Hate breeds in darkness. Once you bring it to the surface and shine a light on it... it becomes exposed for what it is.. A healthy discussion on it will in fact bring out those that thrive on it but will also expose it.

To be honest I am fairly sure no one here actually "hates" anyone. We disagree sometimes vehemently disagree but hate them...?

So when someone on here calls someone a Brown Shirt or Hitler or the typical white person...Understand it is usually from ignorance and that they cannot simply argue logically. Not hate though... although I speak only for myself...

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Larry Sussberg wrote:

The US is seeing a rise in hate groups plus some of it is very organized like the new immigration laws in certain states.

Are you equating immigration law with hate groups?

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Hate groups

They aren't on the rise actually. Their numbers are far less than a few years ago when several groups like the National Alliance or White Aryan Resistance were much bigger than today and people like William Pierce, David duke and Tom Metzger were leading figures. Even the extreme leftist and very dishonest Southern Poverty Law Center(which is likely a "hate" group itself) would agree.

Being for strict immigration controls should never be classified as "hate," unless a person feels that every other country in the world are complete haters, which includes all of socialized European countries that so many whiners want the US to model themselves after. Check their immigration laws and deportations/imprisonment.

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hate groups

Are reported on the rise - by a group that some here consider to be a hate group.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/08/us/number-of-us-hate-groups-on-the-ris...

It seems like many are sensitive and/or defensive when they feel their view is misrepresented. The Georgia Militia is under surveillance by the FBI. Just sayin'

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No.
Hate groups and stricter immigration laws are totally different but might be a result of the economic hardships that many people are suffering from. Hating minorities, Republicans, Democrats, or gays will not fix the economy and tightening immigration will not fix it either.

When our economy was booming no one focused on immigration issues but the conversation has arisen and politicians are focusing on what is a hot instead of what may be needed.

IMHO.

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We are not against lawful immigration. We are against unlawful immigration. We want people from other countries to respect our laws, just as they expect us to respect their laws.

Hate has nothing to do with it.

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Agree

I agree
By why do we have so many... What were we doing so wrong to get to this place and what about those who are productive in our economy or who serve in our military? I guess those are 2 key issues. To fix what caused this and to help/deal with those here who contribute.

Thanks

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The checking of legal ID and requiring employers to use verification may help. How did we get here? Maybe valuing cheap labor above following the law of the land. Most illegals came here to find work - and they found it. There are those (many) who agree with you. The young people who have been given a two year extension - and who are contributors who have known no other 'home' I hope will be given a legal pathway to citizenship. It is a complicated problem - and the solution should not punish or diminish the efforts of those who followed the law to enter the country legally.

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Interesting - Grizz

Who is 'we'?

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And the Nazi Party were pure Socialists

that believed in universal health care and were very adept at the Big Lie format - as in "Republicans support tax cuts for the rich" or "Republicans want old people to die". The Nazi Party had enormous support from many segments of German society - especially the entertainment industry (Life is a Caberet,old chum) on the heels of a depression and massive unemployment. Oh yea, they had a cocky little foreign-born guy who surrounded himself with thugs from his hometown and was an excellent orator - big speeches, lots of platitudes, but no substance. It took Hilter a while to really gain total power. He had a couple of false starts, even imprisonment where he wrote a book about his life that became a bestseller. Then after 10 or 12 years he finally had no organized opposition, several armies totally loyal to him and he then LEGALLY persecuted the Jews, Gypsies and homosexuals (wonder why gay marriage didn't flourish back then) and started WWII, during which he used unmanned aircraft or drones to terrorize England. And he had hundreds of taxpayer-funded bodyguards in snappy black uniforms protecting him as he criss-crossed the country in his Mercedes caravans and private plane spewing his distorted beliefs. I'm sure the Germans of the 1920's and 1930's didn't see the horrors of the 1940's coming - or maybe they just weren't paying attention. I wonder if Entertainment Tonight or Dancing with the Stars was on the radio back then in Germany.

Oh well, that's just old history. Good thing nothing like that could ever happen today.

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Now Mudcat you know the Nazi's were a hard "right" hate group

We have been told that over and over... Using real "FACTS" like they were Socialist and stuff is just confusing us... Well some of us that is.

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And that is what I truly do not understand

At a major convention where there are hundreds if not thousands of reporters - all of whom believe they are capable of "fact checking" every public utterance and you still have fools dragging out Joseph Goebbles to tar Republicans and yesterday we hear that Nicki Haley is Eve Braun. Are these people just stupid or do they know the media won't report even outright and blatant lies and inconsistencies? And the thing about God and Jerusalem yesterday and the empty stadium?

I do have to praise Anderson Cooper for finally getting on Debbie Wasserman-Shultz for her outright lies. So far it is Cooper and Fox News alone - the rest just keep their heads in the sand.

As an aside, this might be the end of blind Jewish support for the Democrats. Surely they have enough evidence that Israel is not better off now than 4 years ago and some of that is Obama's policies.

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Mudcat, as soon as Israel...

...takes an Iranian rocket up their a$$ maybe the US Jewish block will stop drinking Rahm Emanuel's Kool-Aid!

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Mudcat, as soon as Israel...

...takes an Iranian rocket up their a$$ maybe the US Jewish block will stop drinking Rahm Emanuel's (& John Stewart's) Kool-Aid!

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I think that rocket will traveling the other way, chief

Israel took out Iraq's reactor years ago which shows they are more than capable and unlikely to be intimidated by a counter-attack. It is a shame our campaigner-in-chief is holding back Patriot missiles or maybe it is the support teams, but whatever it is - Israel could use more right now - not less.

I read a Clancy book years ago where Mossad had a guy working inside a nuclear facility in Iran giving them chapter and verse on their progress so that they could blow it up at just the right time for maximum damage to material and personnel. That was fiction, but Israel is very capable and I doubt they had to read that book to get the idea.

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Missles

There are 200,000 missles aimed at Israel. An attack on Iran would be insane.

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Most acts of war are truly insane, round stone

But it has not stopped Israel before, nor will it stop them now. Nor did it stop Presidents CarterReaganBushClintonBushObama from getting involved where they should not. President Romney won't be fighting a useless war - will he?

200,000 missiles, my left foot. 2,000 tops and the Patriot missile defense system is more than enough to knock them down. And the stupid ragheads will fire off all 2,000 at once and give not a thought about what is in reserve. Praise Allah.

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mudcat - missles

From Israel National News:

IDF Intel Chief: 200,000 Missiles Aimed at Israel
There are some 200,000 missiles and rockets aimed at Israel, a top IDF official said Thursday - and no part of the country is "safe" anymore.

Link to article

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Google "missiles aimed at Israel"

I trust that both the US and Israel have a lot better grasp on how many, the ranges, and where they are than all of the reported numbers that range from 11,000(Iran ambassador to cesspool Lebanon) to 50,000 to 65,000 to 150,000 to 200,000.

Interestingly, by far the highest number was the 200K reported by the IDF INtel Chief in a news conference. The numbers from Iran, Syria and Hezbollah are all lower even with their grandiose posturing. Hmmm. I think the vast majority are short-range rockets and certainly not missiles or there wouldn't be even much discussion about when Iran will be attacked.

No doubt that Israel would sustain casualties and serious damage with any attack on Iran done by either the US or Israel(or both), but those losses would be minuscule compared to what would happen if Iran had the capability of delivering nuclear weapons

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Well, NUK...

...thank GOD we have the UN to keep tabs on Iran's nuclear program!! Armageddon anyone??

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No doubt that Israel would sustain casualties and serious damage with any attack on Iran done by either the US or Israel(or both), but those losses would be minuscule compared to what would happen if Iran had the capability of delivering nuclear weapons

Iran has not made the political decision to build a nuclear weapon according to published reports. There is has been way too much opinion mixed with way too little fact in the discourse regarding Iran, its capabilities and its intentions.

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Do YOU trust them Stone?

My guess is no... so why should Israel?

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S. Lindsey

As usual you try to steer a discussion way off course. My position is that a military attack on Iran would be insane, it's as simple as that. A risk analysis by a reasonably prudent person would, in my opinion, lead to a similar conclusion.

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Does the Republican Guard sound familure?

Insane no.... Costly maybe.

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Rolling Stone...

...you DO know who's running Iran, right? 'Insane' is a compliment... Btw, who has these 200K missiles aimed @ Israel, and what's their payload capability?

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Better off than 4 years ago? Israel is still there! Israel Iives in the midst of hatred and envy and has experienced a war-like existence since it's settlement of displaced Jews after WWII. This current administration continues to pledge US support and security to Israel. (As verified by Israel's Prime Minister.). If Israel is attacked by Iran - the US will be at war. The conflict of policy is the Palestinian question and a two state governance. The American Jewish community, like other communities in this country have differing opinions on the issue of Israel - but the election will tell us who they feel will keep the promise to support Israel's right to exist.

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Mr. Lindsey and for other obsessed with Nazis & The Klan

Have lost a portion of my family in the Dachau death camp because Hitler built a case against the Jews and killed 6 million jews along with 8 million non-jews, please tell me how else would you define the Nazis?

Also, I am curious if you and others think it is socially correct to keep posting this crap on the blogs.

Curious if you attended the meeting where the recently appointed FCBOE chair was repeatedly ask by Fayette residents what his beliefs were (as in religion) and if he was going to impose Jewish or Indian theology in our schools.

Yes, those were questions posed just about 3 months ago. It is hard to believe, neighbors riled up over religion...it was like witnessing the 1960s again in 2012, yes it can happen and here!

I suspect you never grew up hearing family stories of relatives hung from a tree or family members who had numbers branded on their arms from the death camps.

Mr. Lindsey, and others, sometimes people need to learn to shut up..verbally and in writing!

So on this issue, out of respect for others, please do so. Enough with Nazis and KKK. Move on to other topics to prove your points.

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I think you should address those concerns to the DNC, Larry

Agree it is inappropriate and tasteless. Problem is everything here is in response to the name-calling at the Democrats quadra-annual convention for children and other illiterates. So dial them up and see if you can get through to the party that actually boos God.

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Mudcat

One of the comments made by a student after viewing parts of both conventions: How come the DNC looked more like America? (This student's parents are ARDENT Romney supporters) It will be interesting to hear the debates. . and to get the impressions of high school students. These kids are our future - and they have not had the hangups that more mature voters have. Their perspective will be interesting.

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Well Larry it's that thing called Free Speech.. Don't like it?

Too bad.

So no I will continue to post as I see fit to comment on what I see fit and in a manner as I see fit.

Got it.. Probably not.

Now as to why you singled me out is the question if you follow the thread you would see I was simply responding and was not even the first to (horrors) mention the KKK or the Nazi's... but if we cannot speak of the past then we are doomed to repeat it are we not?

We all have "family" stories Larry... they should never be used however to stifle freedom of expression.

SO you don't like the "crap" you read on here... Well I know a fix for that...bet you do to.

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Well Steve

Free speech? really that's the best answer you have?

totally unfiltered...blog away!

and no I didn't just single you out, re-read the note and yes I read the others

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I don't need a better answer Larry

that was what this forum was created for.

For us to express our opinions, yes even those opinions others might disagree with.

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Steve

Try stormfront.org

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No thanks.. if I wanted to read extremist websites

I would just visit the DNC.org

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From stormfront.org

I don't think you'll find this on the DNC.

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"Whether it's Jamaica, Haiti, Chicago or Somalia the feral negro is genetically the same with a predisposition towards violence that he will unleash on anyone who treads on his child like feelings."

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From stormfront.org

I don't think you'll find this on the DNC.

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"Whether it's Jamaica, Haiti, Chicago or Somalia the feral negro is genetically the same with a predisposition towards violence that he will unleash on anyone who treads on his child like feelings."

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Here's one for you, DM!

From the Southern Poverty Law Center (not exactly a right-wing bastion):

New Black Panther Party
Founded: 1989
Location: Washington, D.C.
Ideology: Black Separatist

The New Black Panther Party is a virulently racist and anti-Semitic organization whose leaders have encouraged violence against whites, Jews and law enforcement officers. Founded in Dallas, the group today is especially active on the East Coast, from Boston to Jacksonville, Fla. The group portrays itself as a militant, modern-day expression of the black power movement (it frequently engages in armed protests of alleged police brutality and the like), but principals of the original Black Panther Party of the 1960s and 1970s— a militant, but non-racist, left-wing organization — have rejected the new Panthers as a "black racist hate group" and contested their hijacking of the Panther name and symbol.

In Its Own Words
"Our lessons talk about the bloodsuckers of the poor… . It's that old no-good Jew, that old imposter Jew, that old hooked-nose, bagel-eating, lox-eating, Johnny-come-lately, perpetrating-a-fraud, just-crawled-out-of-the-caves-and-hills-of-Europe, so-called damn Jew … and I feel everything I'm saying up here is kosher."
— Khalid Abdul Muhammad, one of the party's future leaders, Baltimore, Md., Feb. 19, 1994

"Kill every goddamn Zionist in Israel! Goddamn little babies, goddamn old ladies! Blow up Zionist supermarkets!"
—Malik Zulu Shabazz, the party's national chairman, protesting at B'nai B'rith International headquarters in Washington, D.C., April 20, 2002

"I hate white people. All of them. Every last iota of a cracker, I hate it. We didn't come out here to play today. There's too much serious business going on in the black community to be out here sliding through South Street with white, dirty, cracker whore bitches on our arms, and we call ourselves black men. … What the hell is wrong with you black man? You at a doomsday with a white girl on your damn arm. We keep begging white people for freedom! No wonder we not free! Your enemy cannot make you free, fool! You want freedom? You going to have to kill some crackers! You going to have to kill some of their babies!"
— King Samir Shabazz, head of the party's Philadelphia chapter, in a National Geographic documentary, January 2009

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KC

If you remember, I included the 'New Black Panther Party' as a hate group in earlier discussions. Now, should we encourage the two ignorant groups - or be vigilant and make sure that they do not grow in our country? I'm sure you agree with me that they are ignorant and carry a dangerous, un-American message.

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Well actually you defended them...

... in the now infamous voter intimidation video... remember?

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LINDSEY

Actually, I just told the truth about their ability to 'scare' - and the lack of respect they had in the 'black' community. This group is an acknowledged 'hate group' - just like those that you, Grizz, and suggarfoot refer to when sharing statistical information on this site. (See my post to Grizz/Thanks) I think I pointed out the 'white' citizens who were entering/exiting the building while the 'reporter' bravely approached the fearsome members of the New Black Panther Party (2) who stood on the steps. Such bravery in the face of eminent danger! I think on another site - a video was shown of an equally fearsome member of the KKK (1) protesting at some event. These individuals do not represent Americans - they are racist radicals. The majority of Americans are dealing with the issues that goodpalmike referred us to. I defended their right to be there - just as I would defend the right of the lone KKK protestor in another video. Such intimidation!!! NOT!!

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You still defended them DM

You made all kinds of excuses and said you saw nothing wrong with what they did..... So....

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Lindsey -

So - did they scare you? Figures. Have a nice night. Are you part of the Grizz, suggarfoot group? Hmmmmm. Interesting. You and PTCO are entitled to your interpretation of what I 'said'. Still can't celebrate the state of race-relations in Fayetteville? Sad.

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Dm I went back and read your post...

... Clearly you were defending them. Now you want to distance yourself I understand.

It has nothing to do with me being scarnt it has everything to do with your hypocrisy.

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Defending their right,(Lindsey)

my right, your right, the KKK protestors right to be anywhere as long as a law is not being broken or public safety is being observed. Not hypocritical. Needless to say - I come from a long line of 'protestors'. I may talk to you tomorrow - UCLA IS PLAYING A PRETTY GOOD GAME!!

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So DM you are equating the KKK to Christianity? Really????

Interesting thought... Wrong of course but an interesting thought nevertheless.

btw- there are an estimated 150 MILLION Wahhabi, Caliphate, Islamic Extremist in the World DM..an estimated 75,000 here in America.

It took just 18 to kill 3000 Americans. That "SMALL" group did a big job now didn't they.

But yet the DNC just let's them head up their Convention.. Appeasement never works.

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I'm sorry. . .since you are the expert on the KKK , please share with us the symbolism of the white cross that they carried and burned to instill fear in their perceived enemies . Why did they hate the Catholics and the Jews? If you research, the KKK did kill some white people during their reign of terror. I disagree with Larry in his request to not discuss the domestic terrorists in our country. Americans must know their enemies . . .especially those who live among us. I continue to celebrate the citizens of Fayetteville who debate on the issues and question the stand of leaders based on issues and not religion or color of skin. Grizz is a shill IMO- and I'm sure there are those who think that you and I are shills. There were thousands + Germans, Italians, in the US during WWII - and many students ask why were they not placed in internment camps like the Japanese. The 'old' American culture based decisions on the appearance of the enemy. We're getting closer to judging the individual based on content of character rather than color of skin. All Arab -Americans are not our enemies. All white males are not the enemy of the 'black' community - but there are those who profess that all citizens of a certain color or religion are enemies of those who are the so- called majority.. Looking forward to the result of your research. Thanks.

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All white males are not the enemy of the 'black' community -

Evidently, they are......

According to a 2005 Justice Department report entitled “Criminal Victimization in the United States,” black men raped 37,460 white women, while white men raped less than ten black females, for example. Blacks murder whites at a rate 18 times higher than whites murder blacks.

A 2005 report published by the New Century Foundation called “The Color of Crime” took these trends a step further:

• Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.
• Blacks are three times more likely than non-blacks to use a gun in a crime.
• Blacks commit 75% of all interracial crimes; whites commit 15%; while others account for 10%.
• Blacks are seven times more likely to be imprisoned than whites.

To gauge these numbers, although blacks only comprise 13% of the U.S. population compared to whites at 65%, in 2010 blacks committed more murders (5,890) than whites (5,286). In this context, it’s not surprising that over 10% of all black males aged 25-65 currently reside in prison. That figure is a mere 1.4% for whites.

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Just for you DM...I'm sick of the pitty pot

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/299918/censored-race-war-thomas-s...

(pay a lot of attention to the last paragraph)
When two white newspaper reporters for the Virginian-Pilot were driving through Norfolk, and were set upon and beaten by a mob of young blacks — beaten so badly that they had to take a week off from work — that might sound like news that should have been reported, at least by their own newspaper. But it wasn’t.

The O’Reilly Factor on Fox News Channel was the first major television program to report this incident. Yet this story is not just a Norfolk story, either in what happened or in how the media and the authorities have tried to sweep it under the rug.

Similar episodes of unprovoked violence by young black gangs against white people chosen at random on beaches, in shopping malls, or in other public places have occurred in Philadelphia, New York, Denver, Chicago, Cleveland, Washington, Los Angeles, and other places across the country. Both the authorities and the media tend to try to sweep these episodes under the rug.
In Milwaukee, for example, an attack on whites at a public park a few years ago left many of the victims battered to the ground and bloody. But when the police arrived on the scene, it became clear that the authorities wanted to keep this quiet.

One 22-year-old woman, who had been robbed of her cell phone and debit card, and had blood streaming down her face, said, “About 20 of us stayed to give statements and make sure everyone was accounted for. The police wouldn’t listen to us, they wouldn’t take our names or statements. They told us to leave. It was completely infuriating.”
The police chief seemed determined to head off any suggestion that this was a racially motivated attack by saying that crime is color-blind. Officials elsewhere have said similar things.

A wave of such attacks in Chicago were reported, but not the race of the attackers or victims. Media outlets that do not report the race of people committing crimes nevertheless report racial disparities in imprisonment and write heated editorials blaming the criminal-justice system.

What the authorities and the media seem determined to suppress is that the hoodlum elements in many ghettoes launch coordinated attacks on whites in public places. If there is anything worse than a one-sided race war, it is a two-sided race war, especially when one of the races outnumbers the other several times over.

It may be understandable that some people want to head off such a catastrophe, either by not reporting the attacks in this race war, or by not identifying the race of those attacking, or by insisting that the attacks were not racially motivated — even when the attackers themselves voice anti-white invective as they laugh at their bleeding victims.
Trying to keep the lid on is understandable. But a lot of pressure can build up under that lid. If and when that pressure leads to an explosion of white backlash, things could be a lot worse than if the truth had come out earlier, and steps taken by both black and white leaders to deal with the hoodlums and with those who inflame them.

These latter would include not only race hustlers like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson but also lesser-known people in the media, in educational institutions, and elsewhere who hype grievances and make all the problems of blacks the fault of whites. Some of these people may think that they are doing blacks a favor. But it is no favor to anyone who lags behind to turn their energies from the task of improving and advancing themselves to the task of lashing out at others.
These others extend beyond whites. Asian-American schoolchildren in New York and Philadelphia have for years been beaten up by their black classmates. But people in the mainstream media who go ballistic if some kid says something unkind on the Internet about a homosexual classmate nevertheless hear no evil, see no evil, and speak no evil when Asian-American youngsters are victims of violence.

Those who automatically say that the social pathology of the ghetto is due to poverty, discrimination, and the like cannot explain why such pathology was far less prevalent in the 1950s, when poverty and discrimination were worse. But there were not nearly as many grievance mongers and race hustlers then.
race hustlers then.

— Thomas Sowell is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution. © 2012 Creators Syndicate, Inc

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Thomas Sowell has identified Grizz and Suggarfoot

Correctly as those who lash out at others rather than seeking solutions to crime and racism in our country.

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Trying to keep the lid on is understandable. But a lot of pressure can build up under that lid. If and when that pressure leads to an explosion of white backlash, things could be a lot worse than if the truth had come out earlier, and steps taken by both black and white leaders to deal with the hoodlums and with those who inflame them.
These latter would include not only race hustlers like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson but also lesser-known people in the media, in educational institutions, and elsewhere who hype grievances and make all the problems of blacks the fault of whites. Some of these people may think that they are doing blacks a favor. But it is no favor to anyone who lags behind to turn their energies from the task of improving and advancing themselves to the task of lashing out at others.

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all white males are not the enemy of the African-American community

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Davids mom wrote:

Thomas Sowell has identified Grizz and Suggarfoot as those who lash out at others rather than seeking solutions to crime and racism in our country.

He was speaking about race hustlers like yourself that claim victimhood while ignoring the racial violence perpetuated by those in their own community.

I have a solution for stopping crime, and it's locked and loaded. My plan is to stop the criminals dead in their tracks (literally) if they attempt to harm me or my family.

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Careful Grizz

Are you planning on murdering someone who 'looks like a thug'? Hmmmm. Interesting. In the new south, we all have the same right to 'stand our ground'. My plan is to keep my alarm system, lock my doors, inform my neighbors of my activities, inform law enforcement when I'll be gone for any length of time, close my blinds/curtains at night and make sure that no one feels that I bring large amounts of cash into my home. (And to make sure that I have a large enough gun to bring down a grizzly bear!!)

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Self protection is not murder.

What is your malfunction, DM? Dimentia setting in? I never stated or implied that I would murder anyone based on what they look like. I stated that I would stop them IF they tried to harm me or my family.

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Those are all good defensive tools, Mom

Abortion is another. Hard to figure out when to use it, but it is a tool nonetheless and completely legal. Its not a baby, its a choice.

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Abortion or castration. It's a choice.

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I love the article. kind of hits DM right between the eyes don't you think? She hates whites and spews her venom everywhere. She is full of puss.

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Let's share this article with everyone suggarfoot!
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to compare Thomas Sowell

with that you are really pathetic. Why don't you read some of his work instead of looking for something like that. YOU can find anything you want on the internet. Most look for something uplifting. It is apparent what you look for. You are sick.

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Thmas Sowell?

The article I shared is the hate web site where you and ,Grizz get your FACTS! No where else on the net is there a reference of white man raping only 10 black women. You and Grizz frequent these racist web sites and spew that garbage here - sad. I have not met anyone of your ilk in Fayetteville.

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you are very sad

Thomas Sowell was the guy who's article I printed.

Who is he? Not the owner of a hate site I can assure you.

here are some of his best quotes. You should take some of them to heart.
You just hate that a black is calling your hand.

"Since this is an era when many people are concerned about 'fairness' and 'social justice,' what is your 'fair share' of what someone else has worked for?"
............
"There are few talents more richly rewarded with both wealth and power, in countries around the world, than the ability to convince backward people that their problems are caused by other people who are more advanced."
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"The poverty rate among black married couples has been in single digits ever since 1994. You would never learn that from most of the media. Similarly you look at those blacks that have gone on to college or finished college, the incarceration rate is some tiny fraction of what it is among those blacks who have dropped out of high school. So it’s not being black; it’s a way of life. Unfortunately, the way of life is being celebrated not only in rap music, but among the intelligentsia, is a way of life that leads to a lot of very big problems for most people."
..........................
(this is a good one, just for you DM)
"We seem to be moving steadily in the direction of a society where no one is responsible for what he himself did, but we are all responsible for what somebody else did, either in the present or in the past."

another goodie
"One of the consequences of such notions as ‘entitlements’ is that people who have contributed nothing to society feel that society owes them something, apparently just for being nice enough to grace us with their presence."

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Dr. Sowell - Is

one of the very best minds of our time. It is apparent that this fact escapes DM's grasp or it could be that she stopped reading a long time ago. I would highly recommend, "The Intellect and Society" but I have read all of his books and have enjoyed all of them.

Suggarfoot and Grizz, where exactly did you get your data on black vs. white rapists?

Just a link to the site or reference will be fine.

Thanks PTCO

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Research/Truth-Dr.Sowell/PTCO

This quote came directly from Thomas Sowells article. I too have read Thomas Sowell's books and articles and most of his books. He is a staunch Conservative who happens to be African American. He is not a hater. A friend and colleague assisted me with my research in seeking the validity of the FACTS that were stated regarding rape in the US. There was not a fact as shared by Grizz or Suggarfoot regarding rape in any of the official websites. The exact reference to the number of black women raped by white men was found on sites like the one I referenced. I shared the site that was least disgusting, but included almost the exact words cited in Grizz or Suggarfoot's FACT. PTCO, I hope you are not included in this type of sharing. If so, no wonder Kevin left.

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Trying to keep the lid on is understandable. But a lot of pressure can build up under that lid. If and when that pressure leads to an explosion of white backlash, things could be a lot worse than if the truth had come out earlier, and steps taken by both black and white leaders to deal with the hoodlums and with those who inflame them.
These latter would include not only race hustlers like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson but also lesser-known people in the media, in educational institutions, and elsewhere who hype grievances and make all the problems of blacks the fault of whites. Some of these people may think that they are doing blacks a favor. But it is no favor to anyone who lags behind to turn their energies from the task of improving and advancing themselves to the task of lashing out at others.

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DM - To what

article are you referring of Dr. Sowell's? Are you saying that Dr. Sowell is saying that blacks proportionally rape whites more than blacks?

It would seem to me that if there are "facts" being thrown around and assertions that Dr. Sowell is in someway quoted, then there should be a link to the source.

If so, just send me the link, thanks.

If Suggarfoot and Grizz have a link I would like to see theirs as well.

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I don't recall putting ANYTHING up about rapes. I know that is what she is saying, but ..you know

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I don't recall putting ANYTHING up about rapes. I know that is what she is saying, but ..you know

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I don't recall

quoting ANYTHING... about black vs white rapist...I think she is very mis staken...but I now will look

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Suggarfoot said:

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Thomas Sowell was the guy who's article I printed.

And I used a quote from his article regarding race hustlers - which i feel you are one! All hustlers are not 'black'.

My research was based on your rape statistic, which was not in Sowells article.
Thomas Sowell would never share 'rape' facts like you reportedly shared. I have never denied the honest plight of the African American. I was not referring to Dr. Sowell's article. I was referring to your sharing of racial rape statistics. . and was interested in finding where you got this information. I also will be interested in your sharing of your source.

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OK - DM

This clears up part of the story.

I don't believe that there is an article where Dr. Sowell makes such a claim. So, it's up to Suggarfoot to give us the link. If she can't give us the link, then let's just say that her post was a slander on Dr. Sowell. One that he doesn't deserve. Oh yes, it says something about Suggarfoot's character as well.

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I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT SHE IS TALKING ABOUT

I've never looked before .. but since she asked ...I found this..I've never posted it before..no reason to till dumb dumb wants us to check it out.

http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=26368
In the 111,590 cases in which the victim of rape or sexual assault was white, 44.5 percent of the offenders were white, and 33.6 percent of the offenders were black. In the 36,620 cases in which the victim of rape or sexual assault was black, 100 percent of the offenders were black, and 0.0 percent of the offenders were white. The table explains that 0.0 percent means that there were under 10 incidents nationally. ..

In the United States in 2005, 37,460 white females were sexually assaulted or raped by a black man, while between zero and ten black females were sexually assaulted or raped by a white man.

What this means is that every day in the United States, over one hundred white women are raped or sexually assaulted by a black man.
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happy now DM? you never let go of anything concerning race untill you turn it into a major deal... I hope your relatives get you some help.

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David's Mom - Which websites?

What websites are you referencing? I don't visit racist websites.
You better be able to back your accusation up with some FACTS.

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you are a nut

I'm putting this here because it is really skinny down there where you posted the 'so called quote' about black/ white rapes
you quoted the same thing I put above with the link to Thomas Sowell. He said nothing about rapes...again you are putting things the way you want. The link is above.

Let me ask you...if any of us ever feel sorry for you...is there a place we can send a donation to your therapist...now don't take the front in off of the word therapist and say we are donating to a rapist for you!

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I entered the twilight zone.

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Grizz - Links please

"According to a 2005 Justice Department report entitled “Criminal Victimization in the United States,” black men raped 37,460 white women, while white men raped less than ten black females, for example. Blacks murder whites at a rate 18 times higher than whites murder blacks."

Please provide a link to the JD report you reference here.

"A 2005 report published by the New Century Foundation called “The Color of Crime” took these trends a step further..."

Please provide a link to the report mentioned here.

Do you have anything that was written by Dr. Sowell that mentions these reports? If so, please provide the link to this as well.

Thanks

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I found this

but I'[m not Grizz and I dont thing he did it either. I thing DM's train has just derailed...next stop Hogwarts!
http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=26368

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Suggarfoot - Seems

that DM must have misread the posts, clearly Grizz has not quoted the study correctly.

Also, it seems that the relationship between the rapist and the victim is much more relevant than race. Seems that less than 3% of rapes occur between strangers. Most rapes occur between people that know each other.

Here's the link to that study.

http://www.hawaii.edu/hivandaids/Similarities_And_Differences_In_Women_s...

The point of all of this is that there are some on this site that like to throw bombs. We all live in this world together, get over it.

Someone owes Dr. Sowell an apology, but it's unclear who that is.

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PTCO - thanks for at least trying to get the truth.

This is the site that I was referring to. There are other sites that have similar information – shared in a similar fashion

http://www.chimpout.com/forum/showthread.php?144016-Where-are-all-the-ra...

I was interested in finding the sites about rape statistics. I had a friend (law enforcement) do the search using the words used in Grizz’s or suggarfoots post.
This was one of the least disgusting sites where rape statistics based on race was found. The other sites were from white supremacy hate sites, etc. As is stated in the government site – statistics of rape are difficult to quantify and/or validate. Rape is a horror – no matter the color of the perpetrator or the victim. The cry of ‘rape’ by a white women against a black man was used years ago to get too many young black men killed. Black men from another era were very protective of the women in their family because of the threat of a black women being raped by a white man. You were absolutely right. Those statistics that are validated show that most women are raped by someone they know. We have come a long way from the era of the ‘50s – I hope. I agree with Dr. Sowell – that energy should be put forth to improve actions, attitudes, of ALL OF OUR YOUNG PEOPLE – if we want them to be contributing citizens. I’m through with this discussion. I’m sorry for the confusion. I have always been referring to the statement of a ‘rape statistic’ . Dr. Sowell mentioned Jackson and Sharpton as ‘race hustlers’/ I included Grizz and suggarfoot as among those that he could have been referring to. Grizz and suggarfoot are determined, IMO, to denigrate minorities – and refuse to acknowledge that in the south and other regions of our country, PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE IN RACE-RELATIONS SINCE THE ‘50’S.

This is Grizz's statement that started my research:

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According to a 2005 Justice Department report entitled “Criminal Victimization in the United States,” black men raped 37,460 white women, while white men raped less than 10 black females. (no percentages to confuse you there.)

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