No GOD, or Jerusalem for Democrats

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DN you have totally lost it

tell me, when you got a law inforcement officer to help you...did you perhaps call 911...just aking.

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DN you have totally lost it

tell me, when you got a law inforcement officer to help you...did you perhaps call 911...just aking.

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Dm thanks for entering the Conversation

I can always count on you to fire zingers then become sugar sweet when called on it...

You said That the KKK was a perversion of their religion.. While you were in California I lived right here in the South and remember the Klan quiet well actually.

I just don't remember Pastors in sheets preaching from the Scripture at those rallies.

The Flaming Cross was actually used as an inspiring event by the Scottish during battle to let them know God was on their side. The actual event was described in the book "The Clansmen" this is where the "Cross burning's" was taken from..if anything this was perverted not Religion.

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Nice retort. The cross has been an important symbol in the Christian religion since the crucifixion of Jesus. The Klan was active in Los Angeles during my lifetime. When my husband and I purchased property in Altadena, Ca., KKK was painted on the street outside our home. (1969) We received police protection - -and great support from our neighbors. Today's Klan rejects persons with a criminal proclivity (according to their websites). In the '50's the Klan proudly claimed responsibility for the bombing of a relatives home in Los Angeles. Intolerance of those who appeared different was not limited to the southern region in our country. Some of the most hateful rhetoric was heard in churches. We owe MLK a great gratitude for including all Americans in a non-violent movement based on brotherly love. That s history, not sugar-sweetness.

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Again I will ask...

How as you assert was the KKK a Religion?

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Lindsey

"They carried white crosses and dressed in interesting outfits." And they 'preached' white supremacy. And they had their little 'ceremonies' that were shared by the FBI informants that penetrated their 'secret' meetings. A 'religion' of hate. I'm using this definition of religion:

A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

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Your definition - DM

sounds like a political party not a religion. ;-)

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Lindsey -

I get it! You're defending the KKK!! Arab-Americans, in spite of your racist fears, are Americans - just like Germans and Italians were American citizens during WWII. Americans come in all colors, religions, genders, etc., etc., etc. Are Arab-Americans excluded from the RNC? Are you another one who has difficulty celebrating the progress of race-relations in Fayette County (Fayetteville)?

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OK I don't get this one at all?

I simply asked you if you were relating Christianity to the KKK and you answered a cryptic yes but a yes never the less...

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Lindsey -

I was responding to this brilliant post.

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"Islamists To Open DNC With Prayer For Sharia To Replace US Constitution"
"When the Democrat National Convention/”hate-America” festival gets started, it will begin with a “Jummah” or Muslim prayer group. There will be about 20,000 people gathered for a celebration of the Islamists’ plans to eventually overthrow our government and replace our Constitutional government with a Sharia-controlled theocracy. This begs the question: who will be there and what do they represent?"
http://www.westernjournalism.com/islamists-to-open-dnc-with-prayer-for-s...
So what did they replace God with.... Apparently Allah.

GoodPalMike has handled your misconception. Nite!

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Please don't forget, DM...

..., and I understand your monochromatic historical viewpoint, that the KKK equally hated Catholics ('Papists') and Jews, too! We were just harder to justify lynching since we were white!

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KC

Didn't forget - since the vestiges of Catholic/Jewish hate was still apparent in the 50's in the south and other regions of our country . Just sharing my perspective as you also share yours. . . which at times I find 'monochromatic.

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2 wrongs don't make a right
..and there is a lot of hate to go around on all sides.

Let's keep it out of Fayette County especially after the recent hateful election that just took place here.

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Than you, Steve

Thank you

Please try to understand too that as a minority, I do run into situations here in the county where comments are made that are hurtful. Most are in passing with people not knowing my faith. This can and is scary. If I can feel it, other minorities may too. This may add to the sensitivity.

Larry

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Larry/sensitivity

I've lived in Fayetteville for 8 years. I expected the 'old' southern racism. I was wrong. There are individuals who are prejudice and ignorant, but there is the reality of the 'new' south in practice. I celebrate the new south. I celebrate those blacks and whites who fought for liberty and freedom for everyone in our country. Do I feel the remnants of racial /sexist prejudice? Yes. But Larry, I've lived long enough to know we've come a long way - and we continue to move toward the dream of equal inclusion in the American dream. We can't forget history - but we have learned from it and knowledgeable citizens will not allow this country or any country to return to the ignorant practices of the past. People in our country still need to hear different perspectives on racial/religious issues.

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Diversity

David's Mom,
You seem to be an expert on everything racist/racial. Question: Why do you suppose that blacks murder whites at a rate 18 times higher than whites murder blacks?

What could be driver of that kind of hatred of another race?

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Opportunity? Criminality? Very few whites are killed in the 'black community'. - yet the murder rate is higher in the 'black' community than in the 'white ' community. . And today the perpetrators are black. (black on black crime). Grizz - percentages don't tell the same story as actual numbers. But you know that - and so do the people who read your defensive stand. Are you afraid to celebrate the progress since the '50's? One fears the unknown or unfamiliar. You seem to relish the word 'hate'. Do you fear the black people that you come in contact with? Has a black person killed a relative of yours? Has a black person beaten you or a member of your family? If so, I understand why you may hate. I have experienced hateful acts - but my religion teaches me to turn the other cheek - and love. Not easy, but in the long run, it brings peace.

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oh my goodness
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Very few whites are killed in the 'black community'.

David's mom, where are these whites getting killed by blacks, if very few are getting killed in the 'black' community? Are you stating that these criminals are going to neighborhoods not considered black in order to kill white people? Your admission concerns me

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Are you stating that these criminals are going to neighborhoods not considered black in order to kill white people?

Goodness no!

The black on black crimes count for more murders than black on white crimes. In urban areas - there are few 'whites' in black communities. Crimimals go where the 'money' is - and I think from the addresses in urban areas - that black criminals have killed white's in their homes, etc. Haven't heard of blacks going to white areas to kill white people like I experienced whites going to black areas here in Georgia in 1952. The point is: there are humans who kill other humans based on greed, race, hate, etc. Isn't that called 'war'? Now here I agree with Larry Sussberg - our conversation could be used to encourage race hate/wars. Let's stop.

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DM, the sad thing is that it appears that it has not brought you

peace. Maybe you truly feel it has but it is so apparent in your posts that you are not at peace. I don't mean this in a hateful or pugnacious way but rather sadly. I think you are a very nice person but I think you are hung up on some issues. I know, I know, we have not had your experience but then neither have you had ours. Few of us are fortunate enough to have never felt hatred or discriminaton. As Mr. Sussburg states, he lost family members in a horrible way also. We should never forget any of the atrocities done to anyone but we have to work hard not to let it color our every thought. We do need to move on, not forget, but move on--mentally and emotionally as well as physically. I, and I feel most in this country celebrate the progress we have made. What I fear is that it is so easy to blame things that happen today on things that happened in the past. If we continue to have that mindset we will never truly move on. I abhor the word "hate". My oldest daughter who is now 60 mentioned the other day in a conversation that many years ago when she said she hated someone, I sat her down and told her she did not 'hate' anyone she might hate what they had done to her. She might not like that person and that was her right but she should always think long and hard before she used the word hate against another person. And I wondered if they ever really listened to what I said! Here was something I had said probably fifty years before and she had remembered and taken it to heart. My children and their children accept everyone on their merits. There are whites they choose not to associate with and their are blacks they chose not to associate with--based on that person and not that color. I think most people feel that way until something happens to change their outlook. At least I hope so.

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. I, and I feel most in this country celebrate the progress we have made. What I fear is that it is so easy to blame things that happen today on things that happened in the past. If we continue to have that mindset we will never truly move on.

Almost all of the citizens that I have met in Fayette County express the same thought as your thought expressed above. When I joined this discussion group - there were statements made as if all black people and all white people in the south were exactly where they were 20 years ago in 'race relations'. There was an attitude that 'diversity' was threatening to ruin the south and Fayette County. I read, I introduced myself as someone who wanted to discuss race relations and I learned a lot why some had the attitudes that they had. (I didn't agree with their attitude - but I learned why they had the attitude)

When I first started participating in this discussion group – I did it mainly to discuss race relations because there was such a divisive attitude towards diversity in Fayette County – and a fear of ‘encroaching’ black families from Clayton County. Muddle and I tried to have a conversation between ourselves – and I learned a lot from him and the reason for some of the attitudes that were being expressed. There was also some very hateful and ignorant statements made by others. After living here for a year or two – I learned the truth in what you expressed above. The citizens in Fayetteville and Peachtree City that I have met are good, productive human beings – and race relations is not an issue in my personal experience since living here. My problem is the ‘lumping’ of all blacks and whites into one category by some participants– statements like ‘BLACK PEOPLE DO THIS and/or WHITE PEOPLE DO THIS and then using statistics to prove their point. At times I found myself responding in kind – and I agree, this is not productive.

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As Mr. Sussburg states, he lost family members in a horrible way also. We should never forget any of the atrocities done to anyone but we have to work hard not to let it color our every thought.

My contributions in this discussion have been focused on ‘race relations’ – because that was my original purpose for participating. Believe me, race relations does not color my every thought. At this age – there is so much more to living and enjoying life. I will be forever grateful to those who made it possible for us to return to the state of my husbands birth – and enjoy the freedoms that we worked to attain along side with our American brothers and sisters. I too celebrate the progress that I have witnessed and that is documented by history.

My children are like yours – in fact my sons high school graduating class of ’81 has just produced a documentary on the ‘integration’ of Pasadena schools. (These youngsters went to schools with a diverse population – and they are still friends today – and very productive citizens!) I have witnessed the diverse population of the children in my development getting along just fine. I have been at high school games and high school productions in Fayette County – and the relationships that I have witnessed are so improved from the relationships of the ‘50’s. The parents who attended the parent meetings sponsored by the BOE appear to be interested in what is the best for ALL students in the county. Mytimite – you have no idea how much peace I am experiencing here in Georgia. First, it’s because of the genuine southern hospitality and courtesy that one finds here. Second, because it is SO VERY DIFFERENT from the 70’s and the 80’s when I spent some time here. Am I totally at peace? No, not all the time – for, like others, I want a better experience for my grandchildren than my children or I have had. So I do maintain vigilance so that the mistakes of the past in race relations are not repeated in our country. There is a different experience still in this world if one is considered ‘different’ than the present majority. Academic ability, gender, sexual preference, job classification, and yes, color of skin has a lot to do with how one is perceived by others.

The constant denigrating talk about the leadership in Atlanta because of the black population is disconcerting – yet from the talk on this board, one would think that maybe some of the leaders here had taken on the so-called ‘black’ culture leadership style.

In Fayetteville, when we first arrived, we visited many churches at the invitation of friends and relatives. We joined the church of our faith. We were made to feel welcomed wherever we went (except at one Waffle House – and participants in the discussion group informed us that this was an exception – and they were right). Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts.

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everything Mytimite said

went right over your head

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Sorry, DM, I guess I had missed your first posts where you

stated your purpose on coming on this site was to discuss race relations. If that is your intent then I better understand your blogs. Without awareness of that fact it was hard for me to understand why it appeared that in almost all discussions your replies had a racial slant. I get it now.

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Mytimite

Thanks for taking the time to respond. I don't respond to most of the other discussions regarding politics here in Fayette County because I am not familiar with the 'players' in county politics - but I've learned some history of the county. (Of course - I'm still that 'lone' progressive, liberal, etc., etc., etc., ) LOL!

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I don't get involved in politics on the local level, in fact I

really don't get that involved in it on any level. Locally I think if you don't run for office then you do not have the right to knock those who do. I would never run for office because regardless of what you do there will always be those who cut you down and I am just smart enough to know I really am not smart enough to hold an office and do it justice. I do believe we should stay aware of what is happening and where it is leading us as a nation and vote accordingly and that is what I do.

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DM - What

would we do without you to "maintain vigilance so that the mistakes of the past in race relations are not repeated in our country."?

This of course wouldn't be a bad thing if that is all you did, but you decide to advocate for other things and call those that disagree with your philosophy racists and bigots. The fact is DM you are not on this blog to attempt to understand race relations, or even improve race relations, you are here to advocate for a philosophy of socialist dogma. You somehow deny this, but it is evident in your posting here. You use race to put people on the defensive in an attempt to change the dialog from the ideas of forced redistribution and statism to those of race.

Some folks on this sight are in fact racists, others are simply people that know the difference between theft and honesty. You don't happen to be one of those people. You dear are not even honest with yourself.

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Why would anyone be on the defensive to the suggestion of celebrating the progress in race relations in Fayetteville, Ga?

I do enter the discussion when it is implied that only poor black people are the recipients of 'unearned welfare'.

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OK - DM

Ignore my post, I don't care.

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numbers / percentages
Davids mom wrote:

percentages don't tell the same story as actual numbers.

That statement tells me everything I need to know about your intelligence.
Percentages are actual numbers, and you are an idiot.

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Grizz

You said, "Percentages are actual numbers". You should have mastered this concept at least by fourth grade.

A number is a mathematical object used to count, label, and measure.

In mathematics, a percentage is a way of expressing a number, especially a ratio, as a fraction of 100.

To get a true view of a mathematical concept - one needs to know the number that the percentage represents. 50% of 100 is different than 50% of 10.

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Numbers

Nice try, DM. You must have been educated in a governments school. Bless your heart.

I get it. Because there are so many white people out there, it doesn't matter that Blacks are 18 times more likely to kill whites than the other way around. After all, who is going to miss a few dead white folks? There's so many of them that no one will know the difference.

What about these numbers?

According to a 2005 Justice Department report entitled “Criminal Victimization in the United States,” black men raped 37,460 white women, while white men raped less than 10 black females. (no percentages to confuse you there.)

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Grizz Thanks

Your sharing encouraged some research:
The statement: white men raped less than 10 black females was the stimulus See the last statement from the
BJS
Statistics on rape and sexual assault are commonly available in advanced countries and are becoming more common throughout the world. Inconsistent definitions of rape, different rates of reporting, recording, prosecution and conviction for rape create controversial statistical disparities, and lead to accusations that many rape statistics are unreliable or misleading. According to USA Today reporter Kevin Johnson "no other major category of crime – not murder, assault or robbery – has generated a more serious challenge of the credibility of national crime statistics" than rape.[1]

From 2003-2010. Rapes per 100,000 population.

United States of America 32.2 32.3 31.8 31.5 30.6 29.8 29.0 27.3

Some interesting rape statistics:

http://www.crisisconnectioninc.org/sexualassault/rapestatistics.htm

National Incident-Based Reporting System
The National Incident-Based Reporting System (NIBRS) represents the next generation of crime data from law enforcement agencies. It is designed to replace the nearly 70-year-old UCR program that compiles aggregate data on eight crimes. Rather than relying on a narrow group of eight Index offenses, which are meant to convey the overall crime situation, NIBRS collects information on 57 types of crimes: 46 Group A crimes and 11 Group B crimes.

BJS received data tapes from the first NIBRS-participating States for calendar year 1991--Alabama, North Dakota, and South Carolina. These three States account for about 3.3% of the U.S. population and 3.4% of rapes reported nationwide.

Sex of victim

About 10% of the rapes in the three States did not conform to the UCR definition of forcible rape--the victims were male (8.7% of rapes), the victim and offender were both female (0.8%), or the victim was male and the offender was female (0.2%).

Race of victim

Victims of rape were about evenly divided between whites and blacks; in about 88% of forcible rapes, the victim and offender were of the same race.

Grizz's statistics are from this illustrative website.
Classy. . .but not surprising.
http://www.chimpout.com/forum/showthread.php?144016-Where-are-all-the-ra...

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I don't care if you're black or white

red or green, where you came from nor what your ancestors suffered. Don't care if you're a Republican, Democrat, Independent, or whatever. I care if you and family are natural born citizens, or have come here legally and have a green card or you have been granted US citizenship. Pay your taxes and live well. While illegal immigrates continue to be a hot topic, what is more important now is that our American life style, how we worship, how we stay healthy, and how we educate our children is all under attack.

Obama is the racist, he is against all Americans and what we stand for. The Dem platform of no God, no Jerusalem vote, more nays then yes, saving face was more important...don't you get it? They didn't want that platform in the first place. If Americans don't pull together, black, white, red, purple, and regardless of our history together, or really what political affiliation, we all need to unite and fight this particular administration.

The United States of America will be under a dictator and we all will succumb to a socialized nation that is tied with the UN. Fact: These 4 year Obama has ignored his cabinet and uses Executive Power to put laws into place. There is no value in our Constitution, there is no honor in our military, our freedoms are being taken away slowly, and our faith in God is challenged daily in this administration.

Americans should be on high alert with what just happened at this convention. We most honor our ally with Israel, and continue to pressure Iran to stand down, and get out of the UN.

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politics seeks to use religion for it's mean

Politicians say anything to get the religious vote. Jerusalem is NOT the capital of Israel and a real politician would stand and run on a platform of equality, that the city be given a status of a true international city and the home to all the worlds religions. That would stop all the pandering though, so we can't have that.

There should be no litmus test that any politician should have to pass, for the more you proclaim your godliness, the least likely you probably are to be godly..

as Jesus said..

But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

New Living Translation (©2007)
But when you pray, go away by yourself, shut the door behind you, and pray to your Father in private. Then your Father, who sees everything, will reward you.

English Standard Version (©2001)
But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

International Standard Version (©2008)
But whenever you pray, go into your room, close the door, and pray to your Father who is hidden. And your Father who sees from the hidden place will reward you.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
But you, when you pray, enter into your closet and lock your door, and pray to your father who is in secret, and your Father who sees in secret will reward you in public.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
When you pray, go to your room and close the door. Pray privately to your Father who is with you. Your Father sees what you do in private. He will reward you.

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"the more you proclaim your godliness, the least likely you probably are to be godly"

Hmmmmmm, That sounds like a comment on our last County Commission race.

But ... to counter your point; Jerusalem is a true international city and the home to all the worlds religions now, but it is controlled and administered by Israel at the present time. This of course dampens all of the love and good will exuded by the radical Islamic sheetheads.

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Religion

The truth that you shared will be repeated in many church services tomorrow. I know it will be shared in my church . Thanks

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After reading all this garbage

I can honestly say I don't think I would ever want to associate with any of y'all. If you are Fayette County's elite, it is time to move the hell out of here.. Y'all scare me..

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Lucid and moving commentary, Flo...

I didn't realize I was one of the 'elite', but thanks, and travel safe! Bye!

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FayetteFlo

The intent was not to scare you, but if it did, there are no apologies from me. It's time to wake up, stay educated and informed. Perhaps your time now off the blogs you can continue to educate yourself and be prepared to vote in November's election.

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Wow, fighting over what color the icing should be.

You do realize that the color of the icing on a cake has nothing to do with the flavor or quality of the cake, right?

You can apply that same idea to this ridiculous argument. What the Democrats call the capital city of Israel doesn't make one bit of difference to how you will support your family.

Vote based on what will serve your family and community the best, not what some hothead on the radio tells you.

The real issues (taxes, war, budgets, roads, Medicare, Social Security, etc.) are what you need to focus on, and you should use data to form your opinions, not some angry radio preacher who tells you the sky is falling.

Islam has been around longer than the U.S. was a country. We're still fine.

Communism came and went. It's no longer a valid threat in the world. We are still fine.

Israel has nuclear missiles (lots of them), a dynamite military (that involves every citizen who is able), and has the full backing of the USA, regardless of whether the president is Democrat or Republican. That issue is not important in your life. What we say about Israel will not affect your children as they make their way in the world. Try not to be one of those nuts that thinks he can speed up God's plan by restoring Israel to it's B.C. status. You can't push God to do anything He doesn't want to do.

Finally, both parties need to stop picking and choosing from the Bill of Rights. It's not a menu. It's the law.

The First Amendment gives freedom of religion (among other rights) and that is it. If someone wants to be Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Atheist......it's okay. It's the law and you need to put up with it. Muslims have the right to live in your neighborhood, go to your schools, and build mosques. If they want Sharia law for themselves in civil cases, then what's that to you?

The Second Amendment needs to be respected by liberals. Stop arguing about whether Americans should or should not have guns. The law says we may, and that's it. If you want to reduce gun violence, rounding up all the weapons won't do it (because you can't). There's no way to get rid of all the guns, so work to help people who need mental health care.

The Fourth Amendment requires a warrant to search. Respect it. Do not support unconstitutional laws like the Patriot Act that both parties support on the national level. It's wrong.

Respect states' rights (tenth amendment). If Georgia doesn't want to recognize same-sex marriage, so be it. If New York does, that's their business. Until a constitutional amendment is enacted, let each state decide. The same goes for medical marijuana, abortion, etc. Let each state decide (although, I suppose RvW will never be overturned because the Supreme Court isn't interested, regardless of the fact that Republican-appointed judges have outnumbered the others for decades).

The USA is safe, so those of you constantly whining about communism, Islam, the War on Christmas, and goblins/boogeymen need to relax and focus on the real issues that effect your family.

Let's grow up a little.

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Thank God we have you, Good Mike...

...to tell us what we should or should not be concerned about concerning the future of our country and its interests, or our interest in it! Is your middle name Stalin, Hitler, or Mao?

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Agreed GoodPalMike

100%

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goodpalmike

Now that's the truth!! We'll vote in November, have a peaceful transition or celebration - and hope that we continue to move in getting out of the mess we're in.

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This is true YourgoodpalMike,

when the Constitution of the United States of America is being followed by the administration in power. When you have a Congress that up holds the Constitution by stopping a president who uses executive power to override, loop around, and not use the democratic policies.

You do not understand the true depth of what’s going on. On this thread, no one has even touched on Chinas threat to the US. Wake up people! This administration, under this president, given another four years, we all will see the demise of our liberties, our values, how we worship and who, and our freedoms,our right to provide for our families, and become the change Obama has promised. Research more and dig deeper.

"Let's grow up a little." Uh, it is you and others like you that have stopped growing, and its ashame.

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